Ships in exchange for grain: Can Russia return the Mistral from Egypt?

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After the events of 2014 in Ukraine, France considered it impossible for itself to fulfill the contract for the supply of two ordered Mistral-class UDCs to Russia. Ultimately, both helicopter carriers left for Egypt, and the Russian Defense Ministry had to redesign its own counterparts of the French ships under Project 23900. This puts an end to a long-standing and rather strange discussion about whether our country needs universal amphibious assault ships of the 1st rank at all?

If you recall the domestic press of those years, then as soon as they did not throw mud at the Mistral, calling the deal corrupt, and the ships - unnecessary (well, of course). How many dubious witticisms and "expert opinions" have been expressed, that we supposedly have nowhere to land the landings, on the Kuril Islands or what?



True, just a year later, in 2015, Russia entered the Syrian campaign on the side of official Damascus, and then it suddenly became clear that the Russian Navy did not have enough ships to supply its military group in the SAR, and it had to rent and reserve everything that was still able to float. It turned out that two universal amphibious assault ships, designed to deliver 900 Marines each, 16 helicopters, attack or anti-submarine, up to 60 armored personnel carriers, 70 trucks and up to 13 tanks, would be very useful. More importantly, the Mistrals are not only large transport ships, they are also specialized command ships created to control a naval formation or heterogeneous forces. In particular, the French-built UDC would undoubtedly be useful for coordinating the actions of the Russian military contingent in the SAR, the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Mediterranean squadron, where the Mistrals acted as its multifunctional “core”.

These are these "unnecessary" ships, almost as "unnecessary" as aircraft carriers with their carrier-based aircraft and anti-submarine helicopters. By the way, the Mistrals would definitely not hurt as anti-submarine helicopter carriers in the Northern Fleet and in the Pacific. Especially at KTOF, where it is urgently necessary to strengthen the capabilities to combat Japanese and American submarines, and the likelihood of amphibious assault landing on the islands is also possible.

Alas, both UDCs went to Egypt, and Russia had to develop and build their counterparts on its own. According to the 23900 project, domestic helicopter carriers may even be slightly better than the Mistrals. The question is timing. The ships were laid down only last year, and their delivery is scheduled for 2028 and 2029. Mitrofan Moskalenko will become the new flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, and Ivan Rogov will go to the Pacific Ocean. That is, a lot of time will pass, but they were needed back in 2015! At the same time, the Northern Fleet will be left without the helicopter carrier it needs. What to do?

You can, of course, do nothing at all, let everything go as it goes. But we could try to correct the injustice by taking back our Mistrals. Verne, not to take, but to redeem from Egypt.

Why does Cairo need 2 UDC at all? The Egyptian Navy is one of the largest in the region, but is represented mainly by age frigates and corvettes, as well as missile boats. In fact, this is a "mosquito fleet", divided into two waters, the Mediterranean and the Red Seas. For Mistrals there are simply no real tasks there. The main opponents of Egypt are next to him on land: these are various terrorist groups, the "walk-field" in neighboring Libya, nearby is a longtime regional adversary, Israel. In addition to the "prestige", with the purchase of the French UDC, Cairo also received a considerable financial burden on the maintenance of such large landing ships.

Perhaps it would be wise to put before Egypt the question of buying out both Mistrals for the needs of the Russian Navy, offering in return what Cairo really needs. And what could it be?

At firstweapons, of course. Egypt is a major buyer of Russian weapons. He is interested in fighters, helicopters, air defense systems, artillery, anti-tank and small arms.

SecondlyLet's not forget that Egypt is the largest buyer of Russian foodstuffs. Cairo is heavily dependent on the supply of domestically produced wheat. Recall that the embargo imposed by Moscow on grain exports after the terrible summer of 2010 led to an increase in food prices and became one of the prerequisites for the so-called "Arab Spring". Experts have been talking about the impending global food crisis for a long time. Abnormal energy prices have already led to a sharp rise in the cost of fertilizers, which, in turn, will inevitably lead to a further increase in food prices. If you are not yet lucky with the winter and spring of 2022, then by the fall in the Middle East and North Africa, bad events may begin again.

Of course, there is no talk of exchanging Mistrals for grain and other foodstuffs, it would be too much, but Russia could buy back the helicopter carriers at a substantial discount, providing Egypt with a discount on wheat or weapons, or both. Having received helicopter carriers, the RF Ministry of Defense would have the opportunity to strengthen its fleet now, without waiting for 2028 and 2029. Why not?
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  1. +9
    4 December 2021 16: 09
    The idea is good, but is there a clause on non-sale to third countries without agreement with the French in the purchase contract?
    1. +3
      5 December 2021 11: 10
      Auto very often "throws" just ideas, often stupid and meaningless. To begin with, Egypt cannot sell Mistral without coordinating it with France. There is a special list in the trade in goods, which includes all military equipment and weapons, the concept is an END-USER CERTIFICATE, according to which such equipment or equipment cannot be used by anyone other than the holder of this certificate. The transfer of such equipment (equipment) must be agreed with the party issuing such a certificate! Those. France must agree to such a transfer!

      But that's part of the question. There is also a second - why do we need it now? In Syria, we did without these funds, although yes, they would be very useful! But they got by! Already. Their ships are laid. Our interest is no longer in the Mistrals. Go. Much beneficial. We "made a curtsey" to Sarkozy by buying them for participating in the regulation of the problem with rodents, Hollande himself has already relieved us of our obligations;)) Yes, life has shown that buying even sometimes unnecessary trash is very successful. Yes, the problems that began in Syria, and although they began before the Crimean events, the decision to participate in them was made much later, so the purchase of the Mistrals was a stupid, but a good deal. All parties received bonuses, Russia - got acquainted with the technology of modular shipbuilding (half of the ship was made in Kaliningrad!), With the capabilities of such ships - the crew was trained, familiarized with the structure of the ship, which made it possible to evaluate the advantages and disadvantages, which, we hope, are corrected in the in Kerch UDC! France sold the ships to Egypt, DCNS shipyards survived. Egypt was paid for by the Saudis, Egypt got what it wanted! In addition to the documentation, which is quite interesting, Russia has also completed part of the work and supplied the equipment to the Egyptian ships by the sea version of the Ka-52. Everyone, everyone is happy ...
  2. 123
    +5
    4 December 2021 16: 21
    Why not?

    Well there is no way. There is nothing to collect second hand abroad.
    By the way, why 2028 and 2029? Has the construction delay been announced yet?

    it is planned to build and hand over to the customer the head UDC within the framework of GPV-2027

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6914990
    1. -2
      4 December 2021 17: 03
      in open sources

      Quote: 123
      Well there is no way. There is nothing to collect second hand abroad.

      Too pretentious for a country that cannot quickly build large ships
      1. 123
        +4
        4 December 2021 18: 41
        Too pretentious for a country that cannot quickly build large ships

        As it is. There is no way without pathos, the boys will not understand (s) No.
        Such traditions are in international relations.
        Once one of the Russian presidents offered the Americans to buy hypersonic missiles. And they didn’t take it, and they didn’t learn to build, neither quickly, nor how. Can you tell them about pathos? You will reproach for immeasurable pride Yes
        1. -16
          4 December 2021 19: 04
          Russian hypersonic missiles do not exist; they have not yet created a hypersonic ramjet engine, a heat-resistant cap, or an active guidance system.
          1. 123
            +7
            4 December 2021 20: 14
            Russian hypersonic missiles do not exist; they have not yet created a hypersonic ramjet engine, a heat-resistant cap, or an active guidance system.

            They didn't create a clown hat for you. Ban cornet forbids to watch news? And yes, there is also a Crimean bridge.

            1. -11
              4 December 2021 20: 41
              Believe vidos, without thinking, the lot of young recruits. Launched Onyx, with accelerators. Shown the start of the product. They are embarrassed to show the flight on the trajectory, and hitting the target.
              1. 123
                +6
                4 December 2021 21: 33
                They are embarrassed to show the flight on the trajectory, and hitting the target.

                I'm embarrassed to ask you about the secret, what is the tolerance? Help from members of the forum from the seal rookery? Or forelock, paws, tail?
                1. -8
                  4 December 2021 22: 04
                  This information is available to anyone who graduated from high school, and who rely on their brains, and not concocted by someone vidos, as well as having at least a superficial interest in what is happening in the Armed Forces.
                  1. +6
                    5 December 2021 00: 09
                    This information is available to anyone who graduated from high school, and rely on their brains.

                    Um.
                    Well, if every schoolboy at the USE level is having fun, I’ll probably keep quiet .. smile
                    1. -5
                      5 December 2021 10: 29
                      Apparently you have not mastered the exam. wassat
          2. +6
            5 December 2021 00: 58
            There are no Russian hypersonic missiles.

            Blessed.
            Blessed is he who believes
            It's easy on his heart ...

            When sticking your head in the sand, make sure that there is no asphalt under your feet.
            1. -5
              5 December 2021 10: 31
              There is no hypersonic engine, there is no guidance system, there is no heat-resistant cap. The carriers sneezed or the cat cried. There is no means of supporting the carriers. No, there is no court.
          3. +4
            5 December 2021 02: 28
            # there is no bridge! It's all Mosfilm!
            1. -6
              5 December 2021 10: 32
              Not so. Soyuzmultfilm.
              1. 0
                6 December 2021 13: 20
                The circus, for "you", is crying hysterically.
      2. -9
        4 December 2021 19: 02
        it is planned to build and hand over to the customer the head UDC within the framework of GPV-2027

        Very soon 2022. The repair of the Varshavyanka 877 diesel engine takes three years, and the UDC, which is not a completed project, is promised not only to be built, but delivered to the customer in the remaining five years! A fairy tale for internal use. Delivery to the customer takes about six months. That is, only four and a half years. An unprecedented promise of Russian shipbuilding.
        1. 123
          +5
          4 December 2021 20: 18
          Very soon 2022. The repair of the Varshavyanka 877 diesel engine takes three years

          Are you filling it up again? Can't stop? Nelson, you should go to count the latrines, or suddenly you will find yourself missing again. Don't forget your wooden torpedo.
          1. -6
            4 December 2021 20: 56
            Severodvinskaya Zvezdochka repaired the Varshavyanka 877 project in three years. Two other diesel boats of the project 677, "Kronstadt" and "Velikie Luki", were built for more than 15 years.
            1. 123
              +2
              4 December 2021 21: 51
              Severodvinskaya Zvezdochka repaired the Varshavyanka 877 project in three years. Two other diesel boats of the project 677, "Kronstadt" and "Velikie Luki", were built for more than 15 years.

              Are you fluttering like a green fly in heaps again?
              UDC in Crimea will not be built because allegedly in Severodvinsk, Project 877 boats were repaired for three years? Where is the relationship? Factories are different, ships too. If you are going to judge the state of the industry as a whole by submarines, then Varshavyanka are building cheerfully.
              And yes, it would be nice to provide the names of the boats and the years of repairs to the studio. And then somehow there is no trust in you, lying is not expensive. No. 677 project can only be dragged here with the logic of a burnt Svidomo. Throwing whatever comes up on the fan again? The project is new, with a problem with the power plant. Hence such terms. Or do you want to say it will be played on the UDC too?
              1. -6
                4 December 2021 22: 08
                The UDC is a new, more complex project of the ship. And Vrshavianki have been built since the beginning of the 80s of the last century. At the Zaliv plant, a working team has not yet been formed, a shortage of workers of all categories.

                then Varshavyanka are building cheerfully.

                It takes three years to build, and up to 1991 it took nine months.

                The project is new, with a problem with the power plant.

                There are problems not only with VNEU, there is a whole list of them.
                1. 123
                  +4
                  4 December 2021 23: 08
                  The UDC is a new, more complex project of the ship. And Vrshavianki have been built since the beginning of the 80s of the last century. At the Zaliv plant, a working team has not yet been formed, a shortage of workers of all categories.

                  What does the submarine have to do with it? They are not being built in Crimea.

                  It takes three years to build, and up to 1991 it took nine months.

                  Are you talking about repairs for 3 years anymore? Before 1991, they began to build them at once for 9 months, or what? If production is established, they build faster. After 1991 it was restored. B-602 "Magadan" was delivered to the fleet in less than 2 years from the date of laying.
                  Do you like to compare with the past? During the war, the Americans launched Liberty transports into the water in 1,5 months (a record of 2 weeks and a voyage). Are there even remotely similar dates now? Will you be buzzing about the collapse of their shipbuilding industry?

                  There are problems not only with VNEU, there is a whole list of them.

                  Who cares? There is no boat without a propulsion system. They could experiment there slowly as much as necessary. What does this have to do with UDC? Doesn't matter what to throw on the fan? take care of your health, do not choke in bile.
                  1. -4
                    4 December 2021 23: 29
                    If primitive morally obsolete diesel people experienced work collectives squeeze out in three years, then a new UDC, according to an unapproved project, without a main engine, will be built in 15 years at the Zaliv plant, which receives a shortage of specialists of all categories. No one is trying to establish production in the ongoing chaos. shipbuilders to the efficiency of the creators of Liberty as to the moon on a donkey.
                    The boats of the 677 project have a diesel engine and a SED-1 (main propeller electric motor). There is no VNEU. It allows you to save electricity in a submerged position, with the most quiet running.
                    The most direct relationship. Spending several years on the construction of diesel engines, it is ridiculous to trumpet about the transfer of the UDC in four and a half years.
          2. -1
            5 December 2021 15: 07
            123, are you tired of being rude? They talk to you normally, and they say sensible things. And you, with your pseudo-patriotism and ukrainophobia, cause only pity.
            1. 123
              +1
              6 December 2021 02: 50
              123, are you tired of being rude? They talk to you normally, and they say sensible things. And you, with your pseudo-patriotism and ukrainophobia, cause only pity.

              1) If things seem sensible to you, this does not mean that they actually are. You are not claiming to be the last resort in establishing the truth, are you?
              Controversial points require discussion. If, instead of clarifying the details and the correspondence of the statements to reality, an endless stream of attacks on the fan follows, and mixed with outright lies, it can hardly be called a constructive dialogue.
              2) You have the opportunity to write "sensible things" yourself, bring facts, express your opinion. But for some reason you don’t do it request Limit yourself to the moral support of this citizen. Do you want to try?
              3) I believe my pseudo-patriotism and Ukrainophobia are still your value judgments.
              I am ready to discuss this point of view as well. If for you patriotism is moaning like everything has disappeared and, when justifying this assertion, also lie (you fully support this citizen), then we have slightly different ideas. Moreover, what does patriotism have to do with it is not entirely clear.

              Patriotism is devotion and love to one's fatherland, to one's people.

              (Ozhegov's explanatory dictionary)

              I am also ready to discuss Ukrainophobia. The fact is that it will be rather difficult to sew on me nationalism in any of its manifestations, because it is alien to me. It's about today's "Ukrainians". I know and remember whose slogan it is and what they did.
              You will not hear anything from me except the wish of lard and dung to their followers. Could be more and more frank, but they will be banned. Equalizing them with the Ukrainian people is fundamentally wrong. Today you consider them to be the spokesman for the aspirations of the people, you agree with them, tomorrow you will support them, the day after tomorrow you will start zigging and talking about knives for the inhabitants of the Moscow region, and then you will go to kill.
              I recommend to look at the article by the link, the evolution of shape-shifters is very clear Yes
              https://mikle1.livejournal.com/13299881.html

              In general, ready for a constructive dialogue hi If you just wanted to throw your little handful at the fan, then walk by in any direction. Choose the direction yourself, the list in Russian is huge fellow
            2. 0
              6 December 2021 11: 33
              123 is upset because of the lack of arguments. The reality does not correspond to his ideas about the state of the Russian Armed Forces.
      3. +2
        4 December 2021 19: 37
        Why is it pretentious? In fact, these same mistrals are half built in Russia. There would be a desire. It seems that all deadlines have been met.
        1. -5
          4 December 2021 20: 58
          Building a ship is not only about welding a hull from several parts. Equipment and armament of the Mistral in Russia would have taken at least five years. Therefore, they ordered the UDC in France.
          1. 123
            +3
            4 December 2021 21: 54
            The equipment and armament of the Mistral in Russia would have taken at least five years, which is why the UDC was ordered in France.

            Did the French have to install their weapons? Or are we not able to deliver their own and asked the French? What's going on in your head? Does the forelock press the crown?
            1. -3
              4 December 2021 22: 17
              The UDC was ordered in France to appease the French authorities. As Putin said, to help out the French shipbuilders. In case of success with the UDC, they planned to order a series of hospital ships, universal supply transports, floating workshops. model UDC. To approve the ship. But fans of the doctrine "Salvage conquers evil" forgot in a fit of passion that France did not run away from NATO. I drank some wine not falsified local. The construction of berths for UDC in Bolshoi Ulysses was abandoned.
              1. 123
                +3
                4 December 2021 23: 11
                UDC was ordered in France to appease ...

                It will not work to flutter from heap to heap. No.
                Lied about French weapons, have the courage to admit. And so .. went out with his verbal diarrhea lousy cheekbone. fellow
                1. -2
                  4 December 2021 23: 35
                  This is a well-known fact. According to the head of state, first of all, the contracts for the supply of helicopter carriers were concluded in order to support the French partners and ensure the loading of their shipyards. Russia was going to ferry Mistrals to the Far East. Https://life.ru/p/152681
                  He tried to build helicopters for 3 billion euros with Italians, and with them VNEU. But then there was a bummer.
                  1. 123
                    +1
                    5 December 2021 02: 05
                    This is a well-known fact.

                    What does this fact have to do with the speed of UDC construction in Crimea? Learn to control your verbal diarrhea already. A simple question was asked. There is no answer.
                    It turns out that you once again fell for a lie. At least the third time in two days.
                    What to talk about with you?
                    So you are a liar and a vile bot?
                    In general, be. Heroic lard with dung!
                    1. -4
                      5 December 2021 10: 47
                      They are trying to build UDC at an enterprise experiencing technological and personnel difficulties, according to an unapproved project, so far without a ready-made serial main engine. Varshavyanka, more primitive ships, are built at an enterprise that does not experience the above difficulties, and they are building for three years, which means that they will build in Kerch in 15 years.
                      In general, the factory base is available. The plant has pretty much degraded over the past 30 years, and needs a huge modernization. UDC must be built from materials, components and assemblies developed and produced on the territory of Russia. At the moment it is almost impossible. The depreciation of the factory funds is prohibitive. The Mistral discussed on the Gulf cannot be built - the bow is large-block and is assembled at 1000k (at least 800) - blocks of 650-680 tons.
                      And the new British aircraft carrier is being built with a Chinese crane of 1600 tons, with the highest accuracy. There, high-availability blocks reach 1450 tons. Development of shipbuilding involves hundreds of areas. training a bunch of specialists in metal, welding, installation, etc. Preparation of infrastructure, machines, etc. equipment, the creation of a flow of orders and a market for consumption. This was not even possible for the USSR. It was necessary to place orders for warships and naval support vessels abroad.
                      Until there is direct federal government, affairs in Crimea will diverge from business, since former Ukrainian embezzlers, and now repainted, are at the helm in Crimea. And as for the Gulf itself, the plant requires much more serious amounts for modernization, and for
                      production of new ships and vessels.
          2. +4
            5 December 2021 03: 49
            Yes, you turned it down. All the equipment, including the sockets, was manufactured in Russia. For Russian helicopters. After the sale of these tubs to Egypt, within a year, contracts were fulfilled for the supply of Russian helicopters to Egypt for these vessels. And you say five years
        2. +1
          5 December 2021 08: 32
          There, as it were, you need an engine. It's not easy with us.
          Build ourselves we will build, I have no doubt. The only question is timing. We build for a long time, for a very long time.
          The Mistral scheme would help solve the problem here and now. 4 UDC for 4 fleets is better than 2 UDC for 4 fleets by the end of the decade. IMHO.
          1. -3
            5 December 2021 10: 53
            More serious sums are needed to modernize the Gulf. It is necessary to promptly renew funds, recruit workers, deploy reliable managers, and not use those who were stealing even under Ukrainian ownership. The operation of such a large shipyard is only possible with developed logistics. We need integration with the land-based economy, with suppliers. But as?
            Crimea will not provide everything. So we need to carry. The Zelenodolsk management did not provide a leap forward. "Zaliv" very likely will not pull. Nikolaev and Kherson always helped him in this matter. Zaliv itself was mainly engaged in assembly.
  3. 0
    4 December 2021 17: 16
    Not a bad idea, but Egypt is unlikely to do this. He needs to re-equip and one of the first ships to re-equip is the Mistrals.
    1. 0
      5 December 2021 11: 44
      Why exactly do the Egyptians need Mistral?
  4. +6
    4 December 2021 19: 56
    First, no one, and never, said that we did not need these helicopter carriers ... Second, no one stopped the technical development of such ships in Russia, work was underway ... Third, at the time of signing the contract on the construction of the Mistrals, France was in a severe financial crisis, and Russia agreed to this deal to help the republic get out of this crisis. At the same time, the Total company invested a lot in the development of our North. This is normal good relations between the two states! But ... It happened, then, what happened, and once again it took place that "Russia has only two allies - the ARMY and the FLEET!"
  5. 0
    4 December 2021 21: 38
    It would be nice!
    1. -5
      4 December 2021 22: 18
      Barter, like in the 90s.
  6. 0
    5 December 2021 00: 45
    The idea has a right to exist, but it is unrealistic for both political and economic reasons.
    Recently, it has become a lot of possible, but unrealistic scenarios to be discussed instead of real cases or cases within the country. The 25th, the death of the miners, was it covered here?
    1. 0
      5 December 2021 11: 43
      Do you want to determine the editorial policy of the publication?
      1. 0
        5 December 2021 19: 11
        Nowhere did you talk about "want to determine the editorial policy of the publication?"

        There is an objective reality.
        1) coverage of possible, unlikely, unrealistic scenarios
        2) learned about the death of the miners much later on the side.
        Simple statement - missed the coverage of this.

        and how others should react to common sense is a personal matter
  7. +1
    5 December 2021 02: 26
    After the purchase, you will have to carry out repairs and re-equipment with electronics.
    1. +1
      5 December 2021 15: 21
      They were designed to our standards
  8. -5
    5 December 2021 04: 44
    Why does Russia need these cans, spend huge funds (grain is the same money) on the purchase of useless scrap metal ???!. On the other hand, to the French, a deep bow to the fact that they did not allow Russia to do something stupid. Russia itself is able to build much more modern helicopter carriers, tailored for our armament. I won't be mistaken if I write that I have already started construction ?!
    1. +1
      5 December 2021 05: 10
      If not in the subject, then there is nothing to write proclamations.
  9. 0
    5 December 2021 08: 34
    Quote: SAVVA
    First, no one ever said that we didn’t need these helicopter carriers ...

    For fun, raise the press for 2012-2014.
  10. -2
    5 December 2021 09: 07
    Even Egypt has helicopter carriers, but a superpower rising from its knees does not. Funny. And there is money, but no one is selling.
  11. 0
    5 December 2021 12: 08
    And if you just rent?
    1. 0
      6 December 2021 08: 22
      Then on lease, as the Indians are our submarines
  12. -2
    5 December 2021 12: 48
    Ships in exchange for grain: Can Russia return the Mistral from Egypt?

    - Personally, I've already written so much about these Mistrals ... - I thought that this topic was already closed ...
    - Well, I will repeat again ...
    - Yes, Russia needed the Mistrals yesterday ... - they are universal and useful everywhere - even in Syria; even in the north, even in the Pacific and so on ... - fleets ...
    - And today Russia could get the Mistrals from Egypt ... - And the fact that France's permission is needed for this - then a rather "favorable moment" fell for this too ... - When NATO "threw" France; interfering with the supply of French submarines for Australia ... - then Russia had a very good chance to hurry up and take advantage of this situation ... - But our Foreign Ministry has not been catching mice for a long time - but only flapping its ears ... - Now you can play the game and promise France to support certain nominees in the next elections in France ... - Yes, even under Macron, Russia could play a subtle game with him, using his pride and desire to look "significant" ...
    - To have two modern (not "modernized"; not "converted", etc. - namely, modern) warships - this in itself - would be a "big breakthrough" for Russia ... - It could even give a kind of impetus for Russian military shipbuilding ...
    1. 0
      5 December 2021 15: 22
      Who Said You Need Someone's Permission
      1. -3
        5 December 2021 16: 43
        If these zakordoniki will pester you, answer that I allowed it, period!
  13. -1
    5 December 2021 16: 00
    The ships are desperately needed to capture the Crimea a second time, so that they would not bark, that it was captured by deception, that the people wanted it. Then it turns out that they won in alliance with Egypt and France. Then no one will bark, but even yelp.
    1. 0
      5 December 2021 19: 38
      Capture this how? More
  14. 0
    5 December 2021 21: 14
    Can Russia return the Mistral from Egypt?

    Well, if it’s not like that, it’s easier to order from China. They will be ready in a year!