Defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 50 minutes will not be enough to defeat Ukraine


Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them again and again. Unfortunately, this can be fully attributed to modern Russian policy in the Ukrainian direction. Everything the Kremlin is doing only leads to an aggravation of the situation around Donbass, Crimea and the situation of Russians in Independence. What gives reason to believe so?


Lessons from the "Olympic War"


Let's briefly recall the events of the 2008 war with Georgia. Obeying the criminal order of President Saakashvili, Georgian troops during the 2008 Olympics committed aggression against South Ossetia. Moscow responded by launching a "peace enforcement" operation, and Russian troops, together with South Ossetian armed formations, drove out the invaders and entered the territory of Georgia itself. It is known that our military stopped about 40 kilometers from Tbilisi. And then they turned around and left. Perhaps this was the Kremlin's biggest mistake at the time.

What are the results of that Five Day War? Russia from a peacekeeper in the Caucasus has turned into one of the active participants in the armed conflict. By recognizing the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the Kremlin was able to station its military on their territory, but at the same time it lost the rest of Georgia forever. Tbilisi has severed diplomatic relations with Moscow, and there is no visible possibility of normalizing relations between our two countries. Georgia will undoubtedly sooner or later join the anti-Russian military bloc NATO, and military bases and airfields of the North Atlantic Alliance will be located on its territory. South Ossetia and Abkhazia, without even becoming new subjects of the Russian Federation, have hung like a tangible weight on our federal budget.

Let's face it, the results of the Five-Day War, which we formally won, are so-so. Why was it so unconvincing? Because Russian troops did not cover the remaining 40 kilometers, and Tbilisi did not officially surrender. If the case were brought to its logical conclusion, Moscow could dictate to the defeated any terms of a peace agreement, up to the deployment of Russian military bases "in order to avoid" federalization or confederalization of Georgia with the provision of a special status for Abkhazia and South Ossetia within its structure, the entry of this country into CSTO, to the Customs and then to the Eurasian Union, etc. There would be no need to recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and build a wall of rejection with the Georgian people, since these republics would have returned to the zone of Russian influence and were under the direct protection of the RF Ministry of Defense.

But what's done is done. Unfortunately, we have to admit that the Kremlin did not draw any conclusions from the events of 2008 at all.

Again "on the rake"


All the same mistakes with not bringing the case to a clear result were repeated in Ukraine. The biggest missed opportunity is the failure to use the “Yanukovych factor”, when in the period from February to May 2014 it was possible to simply return the legitimate president to Kiev, giving him Russian troops to help him. There is not the slightest doubt that the fate of the Belarusian protests would have awaited the Maidan, when it turned out to be enough to give an order for a violent dispersal. Ukraine would remain in the sphere of Russian influence, and Yanukovych would have no choice but to carry out a constitutional reform to federalize or confederalize the country with the recognition of the results of popular referendums in Crimea and Donbass.

What does it mean? This means that the key to solving all problems lies in Kiev, and only there. “Cutting off” from Nezalezhnaya piece by piece, as some naive people suggest, expecting that it will fall apart, is simply ridiculous. The question is not about the actual control over the territories, the question is about the legal and political recognition of their status. And this recognition should not be solicited from other countries, but it should be sought from Kiev. We repeat once again: the solution to the problem of Crimea and Donbass lies not in the Donetsk steppes, but in the Ukrainian capital.

And what do we see? The other day we were pleased by a certain source in the RF Ministry of Defense, who announced the prospect of a conflict between the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, that the Ukrainian army would be “neutralized” in a period of 50 minutes to 10 hours:

To solve such a problem, a "bubble of no access" has been deployed in Crimea, and also on the peninsula and Novorossiysk there are all naval, aviation, artillery and missile and other means.

Yes, the Russian army is objectively stronger than the Ukrainian one, but 50 minutes? Too jingoistic and inadequate sounds, so motley military experts had to decipher this message. It turns out that this is not at all about the "capture of Kiev" and not about the "occupation of Ukraine", but about some kind of "neutralization" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It supposedly refers to the delivery of missile and air strikes on command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, warehouses with ammunition and fuels and lubricants, points of communication, communications, and places of deployment of large military units. Indeed, in about 10 hours, this can probably be done by disorganizing the enemy's offensive and defensive potential. But what next? Will the military victory be secured legally and politically?

Eh, no. Experts immediately explain that "neutralization" does not imply a "march to Kiev", because the public mood there is not the same. All that remains is to shrug your shoulders. It is interesting how world history would develop if I.V. Stalin at one time refused to introduce the Red Army into the territory of the Third Reich, because the Germans are anti-Soviet there? There, after all, no one will greet us with flowers, but "onizhedeti" from the Hitler Youth will shoot in the back. All this sounds very strange, to be honest. Let's think about the real result of such "neutralization" without going to Tbilisi, sorry, to Kiev. Well, we'll shoot rockets and destroy the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and what's next?

Then there will be the following:

At first, we will be slapped with a new package of tough Western sanctions, which could be the price to pay for a military victory and the resolution of the "Ukrainian question", but will be the price to pay for the inability to bring the matter to an end.

Secondly, Kiev will turn to NATO for help, and the probability of its joining the alliance will approach 100%. In Ukraine they will say: look what these Russians are doing, we can't do without you. The supply of new modern Western weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces is simply guaranteed. After missile and air strikes, the Pentagon will undoubtedly place elements of the American dual-use missile defense system in Independence, where anti-aircraft missiles can be replaced in a day by Tomahawks with nuclear warheads.

ThirdlyHaving suffered defeat, not enshrined in an act of unconditional surrender, Ukrainian society will rally even more against Russia, finally squeezing everything Russian out of itself. You can imagine what it will be like for the Russians who live there and for various reasons cannot go anywhere.

This is only what lies on the surface, and there will be much more negative consequences. And why? But because the matter is still not brought to its logical conclusion. A military victory must always translate into a clear political outcome. Instead, the policy of half measures comes back again and again for Russia with more and more troubles.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 19 November 2021 11: 45
    +3
    It would be easier for Russia to put its own man from the military at the head of the country for a transitional period. There are examples from the US work on Latin America. But this is unlikely to go. Officials in the West have too many interests.
  2. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 19 November 2021 11: 50
    +1
    Behind Stalin was a well-prepared ideologically communist Comintern, communists of different nationalities ready to take power in their countries and having support from within a number of countries. Russia does not have this. There is no new ideology and no national cadres who are ready to hold on to power and enjoy significant authority in Georgia, and in Ukraine as well. An example is Afghanistan.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 November 2021 13: 26
      +2
      In Ukraine, people from the DPR and LPR could become the mainstays of the new pro-Russian regime.
      P.S. yes, ideology is very important, but in our country it is prohibited right in the Constitution, so you have to look at things in real conditions.
      As I wrote in the previous article: you don't even need to occupy Ukraine. It is enough to dissolve the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine, the police, and so on, to recreate them anew with the backbone in the form of people from Donbass. To guarantee the prevention of a relapse, the Maidan will supply Russian military bases to the UA.
      Everything. Then carry out reforms, stop Russophobic propaganda, restore industrial ties, resume gas supplies directly, and life there will gradually begin to improve.
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 November 2021 14: 09
        +1
        In Ukraine, people from the DPR and LPR could become the mainstays of the new pro-Russian regime.

        I don't often agree with you. But in this case I completely agree. I have written more than once that Ukraine can be saved only by the LPNR (with a favorable "north wind").
        The only clarification. The "pro-Russian regime" is, of course, wonderful. But you have to be realistic. The state of Ukraine already exists. And there is no need for a "pro-Russian regime." A "pro-Ukrainian regime" is needed there. But it must be non-aligned and loyal to its closest neighbors. Necessarily a federal state. Fears that the federation is the path to the disintegration of the country are untenable. The disintegration of a country occurs when the interests of one group of the population are sacrificed to another group. So we need a sane reasonable power in the center.
        So far, no such power is visible. There are no such politicians to be seen either. So for the first time "humanitarian intervention" is needed. The problem is that it requires UN Security Council sanction. It is hardly possible to get it. There remains only hope for the LPNR corps.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 20 November 2021 06: 11
          +3
          The only clarification. The "pro-Russian regime" is, of course, wonderful. But you have to be realistic. The state of Ukraine already exists. And there is no need for a "pro-Russian regime." A "pro-Ukrainian regime" is needed there. But it must be non-aligned and loyal to its closest neighbors.

          To be realistic, being loyal to Russia and NATO at the same time will not work. No., differences and contradictions are too great.
          The pro-Ukrainian regime is anti-Russian by definition; one can only speak about the degree of radicalization. This regime does not have a clear separation of the electorate and the fodder base (economy). With the ideological justification for the existence of the regime, everything is completely sad. Two branches growing from one root, the struggle for nutrients from the soil is inevitable. One stronger and more viable will grow and develop, the other will wither or die.
          While the economy was more or less normal, against the background of our problems it was possible to somehow keep on telling fairy tales, what, look, they stopped feeding Russ and we live. In fact, all the 90s sawed off Russia, Ukraine was not touched and even flirted with it. It seemed that the tree of Ukrainian statehood was turning green and "spike". As soon as they began to understand that Russia would not be able to make a dozen principalities and it was impossible to control it, they undertook to "sprinkle pesticides" on them. The regime had practically no choice. Wither or chop off roots. What they are doing. In this case, interests with their western neighbors coincide and they are actively being helped.
          If you try to find an analogue of the situation ... Imagine that in 1991 Nakhichevan became independent, for greater similarity, imagine that there is no Armenia between you. Have you presented? And this is non-aligned and loyal at the same time to all neighbors, Turkey, Armenia, Iran, Russia. And you cherish and cherish this independent statehood.
          1. Bakht Online Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2021 09: 16
            +1
            Nakhichevan became independent just in the 90s. And it was in the 90s that Azerbaijan began to disintegrate into separate pieces. Rebel clans and regions appeared. Talysh, Sadval, revolt in Ganja, riot militia revolt, field commanders who think of themselves.
            The salvation of Azerbaijan came (you will not believe) from Nakhichevan. The Nakhichevan clan came to power in Baku.
            I am not making analogies. It makes no sense to compare the two countries at different periods in their history, but, in my opinion, Ukraine's salvation can come only from Donbass.

            As for everything else, the economy is the basis on which the state stands. Without a strong industry, there can be no strong state and a strong army. Therefore, I do not even consider the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There may be individual successes, but the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is inevitable. The workers are always stronger than the peasants.

            The federal structure of Ukraine, today, is a necessary condition. To prevent centrifugal phenomena, a strong central government and economy is needed. Under such conditions, the country can be neutral towards all its neighbors.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 20 November 2021 10: 06
              +2
              The salvation of Azerbaijan came (you will not believe) from Nakhichevan. The Nakhichevan clan came to power in Baku.

              Why don't I believe it? I'm gullible yes laughing

              And now strain your imagination and imagine that salvation has not come, the Nakhichevan clan with lace panties is jumping on the square, and whoever does not jump, you yourself know who and whom, respectively, to knives. Well, they dream of washing the tracks of tanks in the Caspian Sea. Have you presented? This is it. yes You propose to save it?
              There are Russian people in Donbass, why should they save Ukraine? They can live in peace in Russia, and not re-grow an alternative and competitor to it. Why would they bother with this and put things in order there, while Russia should help them in this?

              I am not making analogies. It makes no sense to compare two countries at different periods of their history.

              I am not suggesting that you compare. This is for a better understanding of the situation.

              The federal structure of Ukraine, today, is a necessary condition.

              They won't do it. To persuade them or what?

              To prevent centrifugal phenomena, a strong central government and economy is needed.

              There is neither one nor the other. And what to do? Does Russia really have to build their economy and strengthen their power? belay Europe will not do this either. request

              Under such conditions, the country can be neutral towards all its neighbors.

              It turns out that the conditions are practically impossible to fulfill, which means that it will not become neutral.
              What's the next move?
              1. Bakht Online Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2021 10: 31
                +2
                The fact of the matter is that those who are not capable of running the state are jumping on the square with their cowards. What's in Kiev, what's in Baku. Salvation will come only from regions that have retained their sanity.
                What to save? A poll on Odessa was published yesterday. They were carried out by Ukrainian and some Baltic organizations. That is, they were initially anti-Russian. They were terribly unhappy with the results. Approximately 50% in Ukraine (in Odessa from 70 to 80%) consider themselves Russian. More than half believe that the salvation of Ukraine is in an alliance with Russia. So they need to be saved.

                Well, geopolitics. I believed and still believe that the division of Ukraine is a geopolitical defeat for Russia. Ukraine's transition to the Russophobic camp is a geopolitical defeat for Russia. Only a single indivisible Ukraine (without Crimea, there are no options), this will be a victory for Russia. As for the pro-Russian government, this is a utopia. There was quite a good study by a Chechen author. German Sadulaev "Wolf Leap". In the period of national self-awareness, there can be no other leaders except nationalist in the country. A pro-Ukrainian government should sit in Kiev, which clearly understands that good-neighborly relations with neighbors are a guarantee of its survival. As in Chechnya, as in Baku, and in Kiev.
                1. Bakht Online Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2021 10: 37
                  +1
                  German Sadulaev "The jump of the wolf"

                  The Chechens have every opportunity. And there is only one condition: to use the chance so that the historical situation favorable for the nation does not disappear in vain, the Chechen people have to do only one thing, just one, but the most important thing: to build correct relations with the great Russian people and with the state of the great Russian people - Russia. Harmonious relations based on mutual respect and mutual recognition of each other's national interests. Otherwise it would be a catastrophic mistake. Epic fail, as they say on the web.

                  The biggest mistake is neglecting the Russians. Consider the Russians weak. To offend the Russians. Never offend Russians. Russians are never as weak as you think. God forbid you to expel the Russians or take something away from the Russians. Russians always come back. The Russians will come back and get theirs back. But when the Russians return, they don't know how to calculate force and apply it proportionally. They destroy everything in their path. Don't offend the Russians. Otherwise, when the Russians return to earth with the graves of their ancestors, those living on this earth will envy their ancestors - the dead.

                  For example, Russians tried to characterize parties and forces in the Chechen Republic as “pro-Russian” and “anti-Russian”, as if there could be no other criterion other than attitude towards Russia. In fact, in recent decades, there has never been a single pro-Russian party, force or movement in Chechnya. And this does not mean that all forces are necessarily anti-Russian. In fact, they are all no-Russian simply because they are Chechen.

                  I repeat that at the stage of creating a national state, no political movements, except nationalist ones, can be relevant.
                2. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 20 November 2021 10: 59
                  +2
                  The fact of the matter is that those who are not capable of running the state are jumping on the square with their cowards. What's in Kiev, what's in Baku. Salvation will come only from regions that have retained their sanity.

                  In my opinion, you look at the situation a little differently.
                  Moscow-Baku, Kiev-Nakhichevan.
                  For Russia, Ukraine is Nakhichevan. Nobody is waiting for these rescuers in Moscow, except perhaps with a pitchfork at the ready.

                  What to save? A poll on Odessa was published yesterday. They were carried out by Ukrainian and some Baltic organizations. That is, they were initially anti-Russian. They were terribly unhappy with the results. Approximately 50% in Ukraine (in Odessa from 70 to 80%) consider themselves Russian. More than half believe that the salvation of Ukraine is in an alliance with Russia. So they need to be saved.

                  It's a good thing to save them yes , Ukrainian statehood is not No.

                  Well, geopolitics. I believed and still believe that the division of Ukraine is a geopolitical defeat for Russia. Ukraine's transition to the Russophobic camp is a geopolitical defeat for Russia. Only a single indivisible Ukraine (without Crimea, there are no options), this will be a victory for Russia.

                  Probably from this point of view it is more appropriate to say that the division of the USSR is a defeat. The existence of a united and indivisible Ukraine is not a problem or a task for Russia. Why should Russia worry about this? Russia's victory is a united and indivisible Russia with the Russian lands, which are now part of Ukraine. If they are separate, what is the victory?
                  Either you are self-reliant and independent, or you are not. You won't be able to be a little pregnant.

                  As for the pro-Russian government, this is a utopia.

                  Am I talking about the pro-Russian government? I will repeat myself.
                  The pro-Ukrainian regime is anti-Russian by definition; one can only speak about the degree of radicalization. I will probably add that the existence of Ukraine as a separate state can only be justified by its anti-Russian orientation.

                  There was a completely incomplete study by a Chechen author. German Sadulaev "Wolf Leap". In the period of national self-awareness, there can be no other leaders except nationalist in the country. A pro-Ukrainian government should sit in Kiev, which clearly understands that good-neighborly relations with neighbors are a guarantee of its survival. As in Chechnya, as in Baku, and in Kiev.

                  You can endlessly talk about the theory, how it should be, what would be good, what conditions should be for this, but this is not the case. request
                  There is no sane government or economy. There is nothing. Ruin. So I'm trying to reason ...
                  Then what? What is the next step?
                  1. Bakht Online Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2021 11: 20
                    0
                    You have an opinion from the point of view of Russia. Again. The state of Ukraine exists. And you won't be able to destroy it. That is, it will not be possible to return to Russia. You want to return the Russian Empire and restore its historical borders. This requires Stalin and a complete break with the political structures of the world. Such as the UN. And the abolition of all post-war agreements. It will not happen. The state of Ukraine is and will be. Even complete chaos in Libya, Iraq, Syria does not in any way cancel the statehood of these entities. Another thing is how effective their statehood is.
                    What is the next step? Peace enforcement. To do this, it is necessary to end support for the Russophobic regime. That is, a complete economic blockade. Deterioration of the living standards of the country's citizens. And the economic integration of the LPR. The second urgent task is to stop the shelling of the LPNR. This requires a private military operation by the forces of the LPNR corps. It is impossible to improve the economic life of the regions, to restore factories during shelling. We need a military strike on the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this region. There is absolutely no need for a rush to Kiev or to Lviv. The defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass region is quite sufficient. And without the participation of Russian troops. Military technical support only.
                    That is, political will is needed in Moscow. The current state of affairs bears a heavy burden on Russia. Purely economically. The economic integration of Donbass into the Russian field will remove a huge part of this burden. Judging by the latest decisions and actions, the Kremlin has reached this understanding. Hence the refusal to participate in the Normad format and the publication of the Foreign Ministry correspondence and the decree on the economic integration of Donbass.
                    I am not a prophet. But I consider the situation as a whole. Zelensky is pinned down in the corner. And for him, the only way out is to start a war and lose it. Then he has a chance to become president in exile. Unless, of course, the Nazis slam him. But the rest of the moves are even worse. For some reason, he believes that by unleashing a war, he will disrupt SP-2 and cut off gas supplies to Europe. And Europe will start fighting with Russia. Naive clown. Europe will immediately stop supporting Kiev. European officials in Brussels or generals in NATO will, of course, stamp their feet threateningly. But no one will really fight with Russia.
                    So, the summary. Complete economic blockade of Ukraine, deterioration of the situation of ordinary citizens, in order to cause protests. The most tough response to any shelling from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, up to local attacks. To provoke Zelensky into hostilities and destroy those forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that are at the front. Artillery, in any case, is mandatory.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 20 November 2021 12: 50
                      +2
                      You have an opinion from the point of view of Russia.

                      Naturally yes Should it be different?

                      The state of Ukraine exists. And you won't be able to destroy it.

                      Who destroys it? belay They themselves are good at it. The question is, why should Russia save this state?

                      That is, it will not be possible to return to Russia. You want to return the Russian Empire and restore its historical borders.

                      Is not a fact. Borders change periodically, this is how this world works. What are the historical boundaries, what no opinions are different for everyone. It's more about a specific situation.

                      This requires Stalin and a complete break with the political structures of the world. Such as the UN. And the abolition of all post-war agreements. It will not happen.

                      Also not a fact. The territories of Russia grew even before Stalin, and there was no complete break with the political structures of the world. Moreover, this did not always happen by force of arms. By the way, who are we talking about? USA and Europe? Don't you think that considering them the whole world is an exaggeration?

                      The state of Ukraine is and will be.

                      More precisely, she ate, eats and will eat. If fed. The language does not turn to call Ukraine a country as a stable state tradition No.

                      Even complete chaos in Libya, Iraq, Syria does not in any way cancel the statehood of these entities. Another thing is how effective their statehood is.

                      Not so long ago Yugoslavia existed, and Sudan was alone. The world is so changeable.



                      What is the next step? Peace enforcement. To do this, it is necessary to end support for the Russophobic regime. That is, a complete economic blockade. Deterioration of the living standards of the country's citizens.

                      That is, will we crush the regime? What's the goal? After all, as a result, neither a stable government nor a normally functioning economy will appear there. It turns out we will destroy this state? This will not solve a single problem. Why do we need to worsen the lives of Ukrainian citizens? Moreover, they themselves do an excellent job with this task.

                      And the economic integration of the LPR. The second urgent task is to stop the shelling of the LPNR. This requires a private military operation by the forces of the LPNR corps.

                      The integration of the LPNR is already happening gradually, the other day, by the way, a decree was signed, their enterprises were allowed to go to state purchases. I am afraid that the LDNR corps will not be enough for a military operation. We will get an escalation of the conflict, blood, devastation, political aggravation at the international level. Russia will inevitably be drawn into all this.

                      I am not a prophet. But I consider the situation as a whole. Zelensky is pinned down in the corner. And for him, the only way out is to start a war and lose it.

                      And what, are we going to help him in this? We will help you to lose, but let’s untie it ... By yourself, all by yourself. He and his pack will not receive the status of a victim of aggression.

                      So, the summary. Complete economic blockade of Ukraine, deterioration of the situation of ordinary citizens, in order to cause protests. The most tough response to any shelling from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, up to local attacks. To provoke Zelensky into hostilities and destroy those forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that are at the front. Artillery, in any case, is mandatory.

                      You see, from your "bell tower" everything is seen a little differently, all the same differences are felt, a different information field, a different country, a different point of view. And here I am reading, reflecting and the conclusions suggest themselves a little different. In my opinion something like this.
                      There will be no blockade. Individual point restrictions within the framework of the "sanctions war" and even then rather as a response.
                      A local military operation will not solve anything, it will at most push the front line to the administrative boundaries of the LPNR. Instead of the dead, new ones will become soldiers, new cannons will be presented to them.
                  2. Bakht Online Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2021 11: 23
                    +1
                    In my opinion, you look at the situation a little differently.

                    Moscow-Baku, Kiev-Nakhichevan.

                    Kiev is Baku, and Donbass is Nakhichevan.
                    You are considering Russia and Ukraine as one state. This is your mistake. I am considering the situation within one state. In this case, within Azerbaijan or within Ukraine.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 20 November 2021 12: 55
                      +1
                      You are considering Russia and Ukraine as one state. This is your mistake. I am considering the situation within one state. In this case, within Azerbaijan or within Ukraine.

                      I see it as one people. At least half of the country is Russian. It was not in vain that I suggested that you dream up a little and imagine the development of a situation when a part of your people exists within the framework of a separate state, and a hostile one. And they come, go, change, rename states. hi
                      1. Bakht Online Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 November 2021 14: 01
                        +2
                        One nation can live in different states. Atypical, but quite possible.
                        Do you agree with the thesis "Russian world"? Russians live in different states.
                        By the way, in this regard, I do not understand the rejection of the "Turkic world" thesis.
                        Likewise, we unite in the political sense "Anglo-Saxons". Or "Arabs" in different countries row with the same brush.
                        So part of the people may well live within the framework of a separate state. The main thing is that it should not be hostile.
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 20 November 2021 15: 15
                        +2
                        One nation can live in different states. Atypical, but quite possible.

                        Quite a common occurrence yes

                        Do you agree with the thesis "Russian world"? Russians live in different states.
                        By the way, in this regard, I do not understand the rejection of the "Turkic world" thesis.
                        Likewise, we unite in the political sense "Anglo-Saxons". Or "Arabs" in different countries row with the same brush.
                        So part of the people may well live within the framework of a separate state. The main thing is that it should not be hostile.

                        There is the Russian world, there is the Turkic, Anglo-Saxon. This is just a term for the "habitat" of one people or a group of similar linguistic, religious and so on characteristics.

                        Russians really live in different states and this is not a reason to unite into one, although ... probably this way you can unite the planet into a single state what The New World Order laughing
                        This is not the point. Belarusians, for example, can live in the same state with us or separately, it is up to them to decide. You just need to decide, if they are independent, then independent. Nobody is obliged to groom and cherish this statehood. This is the business of the inhabitants of the country themselves.
                        In the case of Ukraine, the situation is somewhat different, primarily due to hostility towards Russia. I have outlined for you approximately what the Ukrainian state is, and its ideological rationale.
                        1) The value of this education for Russia is near zero and probably even less.
                        2) Making efforts to strengthen this statehood is counterproductive, senseless and even harmful. Moreover, no one will listen there. In 2014, they were advised to read the text of the treaty with Europe before signing laughing The result is known. We will hardly get sane neighbors there.
                        3) Is it worth trying to destroy it? Attempts to somehow more radically influence the ongoing processes will most likely lead to an escalation of the conflict and negative consequences for us. However, an acceptable result is not guaranteed. But historically, it is fraught. Any body movement will be cast in bronze, branded aggression, on this they will create a myth about the enslavement of the young Ukrainian statehood by the insidious Muscovites yes In all Kanads, entire institutes will work around the clock on this. fellow

                        So it turns out. Let it rot on its own for now. We will work with what remains. In the meantime, we are closely following the process, the situation can change quickly and you will probably need to act differently.
                        Not that these are my firm convictions or position in life. Rather, this is approximately the following conclusion suggests itself as a result of the discussion. We talked, discussed on the go, without any "homework", clichés, theses, without emotion and probably cynically. The war goes on, people are dying and you feel sorry for them.
                        Something like this. Such are the thoughts aloud. hi
    2. Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
      Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 19 November 2021 15: 25
      +2
      And how much will it cost? And don't you think that this is the main plan of the "West" to shift the feeding of the stolen goods onto the shoulders of Russia and its people? Maybe enough to feed strangers?
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 November 2021 18: 28
        -1
        Don't you think that the damage to the Russian economy from the severing of economic ties is greater than from "feeding" Ukraine?
        By the way, what does it mean to "feed Ukraine"? Who is feeding her now?
        Maybe she feeds herself? Maybe we don't need to feed her? Maybe we just need to restore economic ties, sell them gas directly, cancel counter-sanctions and give them access to the Russian market again, and they will provide themselves for everything? Have you ever thought about that?
        1. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
          Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 19 November 2021 23: 39
          +2
          Ukraine does not need any gas directly.
          It is necessary to systematically terminate all contracts for the supply of gas through Ukraine. If you want - buy gas along the northern or southern streams, if you don't want - don't buy it. However, Russia is doing just that.
    3. Neurocrop Offline Neurocrop
      Neurocrop (Alexander) 20 November 2021 01: 12
      +3
      Colleague!
      The article is excellent and very correct. the intensified seething of "masses" of a certain consistency caused by it is the best confirmation of this.
      The only erroneous message is about the "personnel reserve" from Donbass, which would solve all the problems. This is not an option. Moreover, it is a path to disaster.
      Perhaps I will substantiate my thought in more detail in a short time and I will present it in the format we are accustomed to.

      The rest - I agree 100%!
    4. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
      zzdimk 23 November 2021 10: 52
      0
      Good day. We must not allow the defeated country to restore the industry! This is what modern history teaches.
  • Sergejluf Offline Sergejluf
    Sergejluf (Sergei) 19 November 2021 12: 33
    -3
    The conclusions of Mr. Marzhetsky are a bit controversial! Regarding Georgia: in addition to Abkhazia and South Ossetia controlled by Russia (politically and economically), Turkey entered Adjara and controls it economically! If also Kakheti is economically "annexed" by Azerbaijan (11% of the population is Azerbaijanis in Kakheti), and he is "Rich" and is quite within his power. Only mountains and a lack of industry remain in Georgia, so even now it is not heard that the EU and NATO are investing in them. Costly hurt Georgians?
    Russia would raise the Crimean economy to the state average. To restore the factories so that the people (and 175 nationalities live there) do not interrupt from the tourist season to the next season. Make Crimea a "window to Ukraine", as the USSR once made the Baltic states a "window to Europe." Then no one would even dream of returning to Ukraine!
    And Russia cannot pull the whole of Ukraine, but it is better to tear away from them the Luhansk and Donetsk regions (from the time of the USSR), recognizing them within the borders of the times of the USSR. Economically, it will be difficult, but possible.
    1. silver169 Offline silver169
      silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 19 November 2021 13: 23
      +2
      Marzhetsky writes everything correctly. The impression is that it will burst out very soon. And the Kremlin did not draw any conclusions, not only after the events of 2008, but also after 2014.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 November 2021 13: 25
      +2
      And Russia cannot pull the whole of Ukraine, but it is better to tear away from them the Luhansk and Donetsk regions (from the time of the USSR), recognizing them within the borders of the times of the USSR. Economically, it will be difficult, but possible.

      This falls far more under the definition of a controversial conclusion.
      To be honest, I'm tired of reading and commenting on such nonsense.
      Do you not understand that you are just being driven over your ears to justify the policy of non-intervention (drainage) of Ukraine?
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 November 2021 00: 08
        -4
        I don’t understand, if our authorities are heading over our ears "to justify the policy of non-intervention (drainage) of Ukraine" by our authorities, then they are not going to interfere. What then does the respected Marzhetsky hope for in his bloody dreams?
  • Yura Zhavoronkov (Arno Funke) 19 November 2021 13: 04
    .
    Ho-ho not ho-ho? The closest scenario is the disintegration of the Russian Federation. The trigger, in the form of Tatarstan, has already been cocked.
    1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 19 November 2021 16: 08
      +6
      Well, this is unlikely. Ukraine is a good lesson for many who want independence, change, Europe, lace panties, etc. The result is somehow "not very". Yes, and money must be "poured" into it decently, but there are no guarantees that everything will work out.
  • Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) 19 November 2021 15: 12
    .
    Surprisingly, the Russians do not learn from their own mistakes at all - over and over again they swoop down on the same rusty rake from acceleration. Historical epochs, social order, weapons and even the name of the state are changing - and they still boast of future victories. I will not go deep into the distant times, so offhand - the Crimean War, the battle on the Alma River - "We'll throw our hats!", The Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. - "Let's crush the yellow macaques!", Then there was a genius - "A mighty blow with little blood on foreign territory", and quite recently a certain great commander Pasha-Mercedes was going to restore order in Chechnya in three days with the forces of one airborne regiment. Well, today Marzhetsky plans to crush Ukraine in just 50 minutes ... bully
    1. Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
      Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 19 November 2021 15: 36
      +1
      Konstantin Frolov-Crimean

      Tucking my way in the dark
      Preparing for merciless battles
      The crest came with a petition to God.
      But God did not heed his prayers.

      -Lord, you see, I woke up!
      After all, Ukraine is tse Europe!
      But God only grinned wryly
      And he turned away from the slave.

      -But why, - the crest begged, -
      Can't you hear me oh messiah ??!
      -You agreed too quickly,
      That Ukraine is not Russia.

      November 2016, XNUMX
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 19 November 2021 16: 54
      +4
      This is hypothetically in 50 minutes, but in a day it is more than realistic to resolve the issue with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but it really will not make any sense without a complete change of the regime in Ukraine, to recapture the LPR is a half-measure that does not give us anything, we have already stopped the hostilities by believing the false promises and leading to the notorious Minsk agreements in 2014, how it all ended up in the end is well known to everyone, you need to have the determination to bring all your plans to a logical end and not be afraid of sanctions, they will be introduced anyway in any case, regardless of whether we reach to Kiev, or again we will stop somewhere on the border of the LPNR.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 November 2021 18: 34
        +2
        To recapture the LPNR is a half-measure that does not give us anything, we have already stopped hostilities by believing false promises and leading to the notorious Minsk agreements in 2014,

        So who stopped the hostilities and initiated the Minsk agreements? Forgot?
        1. Adler77 Online Adler77
          Adler77 (Denis) 19 November 2021 19: 47
          -1
          Who and why?
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 November 2021 18: 22
      +2
      Firstly, it is not me who is going to crush in 50 minutes, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
      Secondly, you don’t put your Ukrainian soldiers on a par with the Chechens of Grozny, but Shoigu and Grachev.
      Most of your warriors will simply scatter, and will do the right thing, by the way. Whoever is smarter will go over to the Russian side. The stubborn ones will be, but with them the issue can be resolved.
      "Partizan" will hand over those like you for a barrel of jam and a box of cookies.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 19 November 2021 19: 09
        -5
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Firstly, it is not me who is going to crush in 50 minutes, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

        Marzhetsky, are you really so inadequate that you can seriously believe such fakes? None of the responsible officers of the RF Ministry of Defense said anything like that, and a reference to an anonymous source in the ministry is a primitive trick.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Firstly, it is not me who is going to crush in 50 minutes, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
        Secondly, you don’t put your Ukrainian soldiers on a par with the Chechens of Grozny, but Shoigu and Grachev.

        How strong is your myth about the mighty Nokhchi warriors! Belief in this nonsense is just like the belief of a naive pioneer leader of the 50s in the coming triumph of communism. laughing Meanwhile, the Chechen fighters who fought with the Russian army are no better in their fighting qualities than any other Muslim bandits. As for the comparison of Shoigu with Grachev, it is definitely not in favor of the absolutely civilian Kozhugetich, who did not serve in the army for a single day. Grachev was still a career officer, another thing is that his ceiling in terms of intelligence is commanding a battalion, not everyone is given to be generals. request
        And what are my warriors there? As you know, I have dual American-Israeli citizenship and have nothing to do with Ukraine.
        1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
          gorenina91 (Irina) 20 November 2021 01: 11
          -3
          How strong is your myth about the mighty Nokhchi warriors! Belief in this nonsense is just like the belief of a naive pioneer leader of the 50s in the coming triumph of communism. laughing Meanwhile, the Chechen fighters who fought with the Russian army are no better in their fighting qualities than any other Muslim bandits.

          - Yeah ... - It's hard to deny the obvious ...
          - Literally out of the blue and out of nothing they suddenly created - or rather blinded - "from what was"; and then this "molded" one was simply lifted up ... - And they lifted it up so much that this "molded" one itself believed that "it" was real - "courageous and noble" ...
          - It's just scary and disgusting to perceive the fact that the body itself - voluntarily and obsequiously, and even with all its might feeds the other parasitic organism in it ...
          - It is so awful and ridiculous that ... that ... that is beyond reality and plausibility and simply defies any explanation ... - But, nevertheless, it is a fact ...

          As for the comparison of Shoigu with Grachev, it is definitely not in favor of the absolutely civilian Kozhugetich, who did not serve in the army for a single day.

          - Well - also a "fact" ... - And because of this "fact" it becomes not funny at all, but very, very anxious for their Fatherland ... - Russia ...
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 26 November 2021 23: 43
          -2
          good Yes, it is. Already in February 2015, the losses at the Chernogolovka of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the LPNR (with the volunteers) became equal.
      2. Adler77 Online Adler77
        Adler77 (Denis) 19 November 2021 19: 51
        -1
        Why can't this be compared? Or are the Slavs worse than the mountaineers?
        The Russian Defense Ministry is not going to destroy anyone in 50 minutes. These are the tales of a retired admiral.
        Why do you all hate Russians so much that you want their mass death?
        I do not understand this ...
      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 November 2021 00: 32
        -4
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        and Shoigu with Grachev.

        Yes Yes. One all his life in the army, in the Airborne Forces, two business trips to Afghan, Hero of the Soviet Union for the same Afghan. Another not a day did not serve, a civil engineer by education, who worked in his specialty for ten years, then got involved in the party line, for another ten years the main rescuer of the country. I agree, you can't put it on a par.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 20 November 2021 06: 27
          0
          I agree, you can't put it on a par.

          What's the point? The Minister of Defense is a rather political position, general management, organization of work. The General Staff is responsible for planning and implementing military operations. Or do you think the ministers of defense are jumping with a saber in the field?
    4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 19 November 2021 20: 26
      0
      And we take an example from the Jews. You dream of erasing Iran into the "dust", and the Russians will be cooler than the Jews.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 20 November 2021 01: 18
        -9
        Quote: steel maker
        we take an example from the Jews.

        If that were so, they would have lived peacefully long ago. And you are very wrong about the steepness.
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 20 November 2021 09: 00
          +1
          And you might think Israel is living peacefully? Bombing from someone else's airspace - that's all your coolness!
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 20 November 2021 10: 56
            -8
            It is precisely because of the exact defeat of Iranian targets in the adjacent territory that the Israelis live peacefully and safely. This is real coolness.
        2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
          DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 22 November 2021 01: 49
          0
          Is it peaceful? You tell the Arabs who live around you. They, too, agree to live peacefully. In their historic lands.
    5. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
      Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 19 November 2021 23: 48
      +4
      It is you who write stupidity out of your illiteracy. The military voice their capabilities, but war is a continuation of politics. When the pro-American Yeltsin was leading the policy, the war in Chechnya would never have ended. When Putin took the helm, the war was simply stopped, with the preservation of human lives on both sides, although they could, like silly Ukrainians, fight until victory.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 20 November 2021 01: 23
        -6
        Quote: Oleg Bratkov
        due to their illiteracy stupidity

        it can be argued that

        Quote: Oleg Bratkov
        When Putin took the helm, the war was simply stopped,

        In fact, they just bought a part of the top of the militants.
        1. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
          Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 22 November 2021 22: 13
          +1
          Quote: Bindyuzhnik
          In fact, they just bought a part of the top of the militants.

          War is a continuation of politics. You probably didn't know about this?
          The end result is important, not the means to achieve it.
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 22 November 2021 22: 33
            -5
            Quote: Oleg Bratkov
            You probably didn't know about this?

            My dear man, what you do not know yet, I have already forgotten. yes
            And when the result is achieved solely for money, there is a possibility that someone can give more and turn the situation in their favor.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 23 November 2021 20: 06
              +1
              Quote: Bindyuzhnik
              My dear man, what you do not know yet, I have already forgotten.

              Bindyuzhnik! Your opponent has a better memory. There is no reason to suspect him of forgetfulness. sad
    6. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 20 November 2021 06: 22
      +2
      I will not go deep into distant times, here offhand - the Crimean War, the battle on the Alma River - "We'll throw our hats!", The Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. - "Let's crush the yellow macaques!", Then there was a genius - "A mighty blow with little blood on foreign territory", and quite recently a certain great commander Pasha-Mercedes was going to restore order in Chechnya in three days with the forces of one airborne regiment.

      In ancient times, it is not interesting to go deeper, otherwise we will reach the assault on Massada and find out the route where the invincible 40 years wandered winked
      And yet, in the end, Crimea is ours.
      Our Kuriles.
      Berlin was taken.
      The world is in Chechnya and this is Russia.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 20 November 2021 08: 16
        -7
        Masada is a heroic symbol of rebelliousness, a vivid example of Jewish national character. And the route of forty years of wandering is described in detail in the Bible.

        Quote: 123
        And yet, in the end, Crimea is ours.
        Our Kuriles.
        Berlin was taken.
        The world is in Chechnya and this is Russia.

        Crimea was not taken as a result of successful hostilities, and the issue is far from closed, no matter how much you want it. With the Kurils, the situation is similar. The victory over Germany was achieved through the joint efforts of the allies. And in Chechnya there is a feudal Islamic dictatorship, the laws of the Russian Federation do not apply there, what kind of Russia is this? request
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 20 November 2021 08: 41
          +3
          Masada is a heroic symbol of rebelliousness, a vivid example of Jewish national character. And the route of forty years of wandering is described in detail in the Bible.
          Crimea was not taken as a result of successful hostilities, and the issue is far from closed, no matter how much you want it. With the Kurils, the situation is similar. The victory over Germany was achieved through the joint efforts of the allies. And in Chechnya there is a feudal Islamic dictatorship, the laws of the Russian Federation do not apply there, what kind of Russia is this?

          And how did it end with the symbol of disobedience, do not remind? smile Wasn't it taken as a result of successful hostilities? And who owns it now, the question is far from closed, no matter how you would like winked And the Roman Empire fell under the blows of a whole union of tribes and you were not among the victors request even like the French in Berlin. The speculation about Islamic dictatorship is funny. Don't you have a nationalist state in one dominant religion? If you doubt that Chechnya is Russia and you think that the laws do not work there, tell Ramzan about it yes
          As for the route, it is, of course, described in some detail, as well as the reasons why the heroic Jewish people went on this campaign. hi
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 20 November 2021 11: 10
            -7
            Quote: 123
            And how did it end with the symbol of disobedience, do not remind? smile Wasn't it taken as a result of successful hostilities?

            The defenders of the fortress, including women and children, chose death over enslavement.

            Quote: 123
            you were not among the winners

            However, there is no Roman Empire today, and Israel lives and develops.

            Quote: 123
            Don't you have a nationalist state in one dominant religion?

            Israel is a free democratic state in which there is no place for oppression and suppression of citizens on the basis of religion or nationality.

            Quote: 123
            If you doubt that Chechnya is Russia and you think that the laws do not work there, tell Ramzan about it

            Dear, I already wrote above that the Chechens are great warriors and courageous fighters exclusively in the minds of the Russians, for me your Ramzan is just an ordinary Caucasian bandyugan, in his younger years it was repeatedly possible to drive such eagles into the chicken coop. fool
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 20 November 2021 12: 05
              +2
              The defenders of the fortress, including women and children, chose death over enslavement.

              I asked you about the result. Have you defended independence?

              However, there is no Roman Empire today, and Israel lives and develops.

              Is this your merit? smile
              Many are gone. Napoleon, Hitler .... grind everyone.

              Israel is a free democratic state in which there is no place for oppression and suppression of citizens on the basis of religion or nationality.

              Are the Palestinians in the know?

              Dear, I already wrote above that the Chechens are great warriors and courageous fighters exclusively in the minds of the Russians, for me your Ramzan is just an ordinary Caucasian bandyugan, in his younger years it was repeatedly possible to drive such eagles into the chicken coop.

              Probably the Russians know better, they fought more than once. And on one side of the parapet and on the other.
              To drive the eagles into the chicken coop in absentia is all great. In any nation there are worthy warriors and not so much. In your opinion, some peoples are inherent in these qualities and others are not, and is it in the blood?
              Somehow smacks of nationalism winked talking about bandits in a country that sends murderers to Iranian scientists is something else to do repeat
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 19 November 2021 15: 44
    +3
    The author has too many fantasies, those that the author likes, everything is smooth there, and those that the author does not like, on the contrary, are always bad.
    For example, if Russian troops took Tbilisi, who said that everything would be great. As I see it, the whole of Georgia would hang like a weight on Russia, but let me remind you that there is no central heating in the capital of Georgia, people in their houses warm themselves in winter as best they can and move around their apartments in coats and jackets, this is to understand the problems.
    About Yanukovych with Russian troops, and the character of this Ukrainian lion must be screwed up during a surgical operation. Or how else to get him to act like Lukashenka, come out with a gun in his hands?
    1. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
      Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 19 November 2021 23: 53
      +1
      ALSur (Alexey), at the same time, Ukrainian horses completely bypass the topic of how Crimea was returned. In exactly the same way, Russian troops could liberate half of Ukraine, and even all of Ukraine. The only question is the support of the people. Well, the Ukrainians do not want to join Russia, they still have to play independence for many, many years. And where they wanted, and whoever wanted, those are already part of the Russian Federation.
  • Joker62 Offline Joker62
    Joker62 (Ivan) 19 November 2021 18: 21
    +4
    author!!! Where did you get such nonsense, and even with a hint from a nkogo source of the RF Ministry of Defense ??? This is a pure blizzard and noodles for ordinary people! In short, it's a fake!
  • Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 19 November 2021 18: 21
    +3
    the times when countries could dictate their will after victory are long gone. The United States understood this with its Iraq. This is clear to us. It is not an armed victory that is needed, but the consent of the inhabitants with our position. This lesson Ukrainians are going through right now. It is very difficult for them to get it, but maybe when Zelensky's nuclear power plant explodes, or when everyone has to give 30% of their earnings for heat and energy, or when the totality of state lawlessness in Ukraine reaches a boiling point, the people there will no longer be able to tolerate it. If Russia by force now displaces the Kiev clowns, it will put itself in their place ... and all the troubles of Ukraine, all poverty, lawlessness and corruption will automatically be attributed to Russia ... let it be better to ripen themselves. It's another matter if they climb into the Donbass. There you will have to bring the matter to the end, collect all the lands that themselves are not against such a turn. Well, those that are against, let them live on their own, these are unfortunately lost territories ... so far lost. Of course, there may come a time when military power is again in the foreground.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 November 2021 18: 23
    0
    Quote: ALSur
    For example, if Russian troops took Tbilisi, who said that everything would be great. As I see it, the whole of Georgia would hang like a weight on Russia, but let me remind you that there is no central heating in the capital of Georgia, people in their houses warm themselves in winter as best they can and move around their apartments in coats and jackets, this is to understand the problems.

    What kind of nonsense are you talking about? What do coats have to do with the prospect of Georgia joining NATO?

    About Yanukovych with Russian troops, and the character of this Ukrainian lion must be screwed up during a surgical operation. Or how else to get him to act like Lukashenka, come out with a gun in his hands?

    I'm afraid the character is lacking for another "lion", a dreamer.
  • Adler77 Online Adler77
    Adler77 (Denis) 19 November 2021 19: 40
    -2
    Mazheretsky, as always, waves a plastic sword on a wooden horse :) funny strategist. Here on the website there is a military review article "the world is ready to fight" it is for you, people who have never been in serious fights, let alone in a war. Read it at your leisure.
    As for the article, you are lying. Nobody seriously talked about the destruction of the APU.

    In the event of an attack by Ukraine on Crimea and other Russian territories, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will completely neutralize all enemy warships and coastal infrastructure in a period from 50 minutes to 10 hours. These are the "military standards of modern armies," a senior source, a retired captain of the first rank, told the Glavmedia Telegram channel.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 19 November 2021 19: 45
    +4
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Surprisingly, the Russians do not learn from their own mistakes at all - over and over again they swoop down on the same rusty rake from acceleration. Historical epochs, social order, weapons and even the name of the state are changing - and they still boast of future victories. I will not go deep into the distant times, so offhand - the Crimean War, the battle on the Alma River - "We'll throw our hats!", The Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. - "Let's crush the yellow macaques!", Then there was a genius - "A mighty blow with little blood on foreign territory", and quite recently a certain great commander Pasha-Mercedes was going to restore order in Chechnya in three days with the forces of one airborne regiment. Well, today Marzhetsky plans to crush Ukraine in just 50 minutes ... bully

    Izya, what an interest in teaching a Russian person, what should he do while living in Israel? Straight greedy for Russian news.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 19 November 2021 19: 53
    +3
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Firstly, it is not me who is going to crush in 50 minutes, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    Marzhetsky, are you really so inadequate that you can seriously believe such fakes? None of the responsible officers of the RF Ministry of Defense said anything like that, and a reference to an anonymous source in the ministry is a primitive trick.

    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Firstly, it is not me who is going to crush in 50 minutes, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    Secondly, you don’t put your Ukrainian soldiers on a par with the Chechens of Grozny, but Shoigu and Grachev.

    How strong is your myth about the mighty Nokhchi warriors! Belief in this nonsense is just like the belief of a naive pioneer leader of the 50s in the coming triumph of communism. laughing Meanwhile, the Chechen fighters who fought with the Russian army are no better in their fighting qualities than any other Muslim bandits. As for the comparison of Shoigu with Grachev, it is definitely not in favor of the absolutely civilian Kozhugetich, who did not serve in the army for a single day. Grachev was still a career officer, another thing is that his ceiling in terms of intelligence is commanding a battalion, not everyone is given to be generals. request
    And what are my warriors there? As you know, I have dual American-Israeli citizenship and have nothing to do with Ukraine.

    You have the citizenship of America and Israel, you sit on the websites of the Russian Federation and I have nothing to do with Ukraine .... Very funny, but what is the relation to Russia then? Time to spend here for days, living well, it doesn't really fit.
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) 20 November 2021 01: 25
      -6
      Vasya, do you have something to say on the topic?
      1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 22 November 2021 01: 36
        0
        How many scribbled that. And everything is delusional again. About the peaceful state of Israel is very interesting. Tell the Arabs this, they will discuss with you. ... I am even lost in assessments now, who is the most "smart" here, you are clearly catching up with this Ukrainian in terms of stupidity). Although, the one about Ukraine - a great space power gutaril Garneau ...
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 November 2021 20: 21
    -1
    Obeying the criminal order of President Saakashvili committed aggression against South Ossetia.

    By killing Russian peacekeepers - Russian citizens! And for some reason the Russian authorities have no complaints against Saakashvili!

    the solution to the problem of Crimea and Donbass lies not in the Donetsk steppes, but in the Ukrainian capital.

    After the Crimea, Putin seems to be so "bullied" that he fenced off with red lines and thinks or hopes that he will not be touched. And you propose to solve the problem in Kiev. And I, of the same opinion.

    A military victory must always translate into a clear political outcome.

    Agree. Only for the sake of a political result, it is necessary to put the interests of the country above the "dough". And you under Putin, can you imagine this?
  • Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 19 November 2021 21: 27
    0
    Ay, yay, yay, what a "smart" author! So it was necessary to "take" Tbilisi and feed these loafers for the rest of their lives and endure the dirtiest abuse from their opposition because of the "hillock" addressed to us. Plus, all sorts of "orange revolutions" every pre-election period with the beating of our military. This has already happened in the days of the USSR and no one needs it. As for NATO, it will soon collapse on its own due to the global economic crisis and the aging "hegemon". And "Georgia" along with the "fat" will have nowhere to join!
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 20 November 2021 05: 34
    +1
    There would be no need to recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia and build a wall of rejection with the Georgian people, since these republics would have returned to the zone of Russian influence and were under the direct protection of the RF Ministry of Defense.

    So are we building the wall of rejection? belay
    How is recognition stopping you? Did the Abkhazians and Ossetians just have to explain that they would live in Georgia? Do you understand the great Georgia is insulting? Are they going to get angry? Who are they that, for the sake of their favorable attitude, Russia should drive 2 people into a stall towards them? Somehow such a position gives away with groveling and groveling ...
    And Georgia will not join any NATO because it needs even less Ukraine.
    And they are in no hurry to deploy troops there, there are not so many real advantages, and the political costs are quite high. And Georgia itself would now hang on the neck of the Russian budget and the package of sanctions would be no less.
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 20 November 2021 09: 27
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Bratkov
    ALSur (Alexey), at the same time, Ukrainian horses completely bypass the topic of how Crimea was returned. In exactly the same way, Russian troops could liberate half of Ukraine, and even all of Ukraine. The only question is the support of the people. Well, the Ukrainians do not want to join Russia, they still have to play independence for many, many years. And where they wanted, and whoever wanted, those are already part of the Russian Federation.

    I agree completely. It was surprising for me that many Russians who came to Ukraine in Soviet times or post-Soviet times, for example, military pensioners who decided to buy a house or apartment in Ukraine, said long before 2014, - yes, we live in independent Ukraine, so we must develop the Ukrainian language, etc., etc.
    No one is against the Ukrainian language, but it is surprising that it was done by the Russians, many without Ukrainian blood, or who had lived their entire previous life in Russia (USSR).
    The funny thing is that after 2014, these people did not live better and had to really learn the language, but in any case, because the Russian language is being squeezed out, life has not become better because of this, it probably reaches many that it is not necessary mono for sustainable development Ukrainian state without Russians, on the contrary, in this situation life becomes worse. And if the nationalists were pressed, everyone would be given a normal opportunity to live in peace, the Russian language would not be rotten, life would be much better now. There would be both Crimea and Donbass.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 20 November 2021 10: 52
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    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Vasya, do you have something to say on the topic?

    On the subject of izya! You're an American instigator. What are you doing here (doing). Who are you trying for and who are you serving here? Few US-Israeli sites for (smart person)?
  • olbert Offline olbert
    olbert (Albert) 20 November 2021 20: 57
    +1
    And it is right! The capture of Kiev is the core of all "peace enforcement"!
  • Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 21 November 2021 13: 50
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    Ukraine should be liquidated as a state ... Otherwise, there will always be Yanukovychs and Poroshenkos who will betray both the population of Ukraine and Russia for their personal interests ...
  • Victor Zakharov Offline Victor Zakharov
    Victor Zakharov (Victor Zakharov) 21 November 2021 22: 04
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    This is the payment for that stupid capitalism into which we climbed with ears 30 years ago. We had our own country, our own ideology and our own convictions, we had our own laws and our own rules, we had Soviet power. Now we play on someone else's field and according to someone else's laws. Our officials keep money and property in the west, hence the result - defeatism, sagging to the west, liberal and cowardly politics.
    1. Assault Offline Assault
      Assault (Assault) 23 November 2021 13: 33
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      Right! We are an ordinary capitalist country, 90% integrated into the world economy, even so much praised agriculture is completely import-dependent (from broodstock, seeds, to premixes, vitamins, equipment, etc.). It is possible to capture at least the whole of Europe in bulk, only what we will feed people tomorrow, we will not be able to sell or buy anything, therefore, there is always containment, counterbalances, bargaining, and not Tbilisi's surrender.
      After all, by and large, what is happening with Ukraine: we are trying to show the West the zone of our interests, but they don’t want to listen. Even China with its economic power is being put in its place.
  • okean969 Offline okean969
    okean969 (Leonid) 22 November 2021 13: 03
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    The author, as always, is busy with hating. Answer me this question. And who will repay Ukraine's debt of 90 billion. This question, among others, has been discussed between Putin and Biden for a year now. Otherwise, they (the Americans) would have drained the ruin long ago.
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