"They will be unhappy and lonely until the end of their days": in the West they started talking about the segregation of people by COVID status


The Australian nominal authorities have begun to forcibly divide residents into groups in everyday life, i.e. actual segregation. However, human rights violations will not be carried out on the basis of racial or ethnicity, but according to the existing COVID status, i.e. whether the person is vaccinated or not. Probably, the British crown decided to conduct an experiment on the population of a remote territory, where at one time it exiled its guilty subjects to hard labor.


The President of the Australian Medical Association in Queensland (a state in the northeast of the continent), Dr. Chris Perry, spoke on local television. He promisingly told his fellow countrymen and fellow citizens in general that those of them who did not receive a full vaccination (two injections of the coronavirus vaccine) would very quickly find themselves in an unenviable position. The paramedic made it clear that those who did not get vaccinated would become second-class people.

Oh, they are crazy, if they don't get vaccinated, their life without vaccinations will be depressing. They will be unhappy and lonely for the rest of their days.

- he said.

Perry explained that life for the unvaccinated would soon get complicated in all areas. For attempts to "bypass the system" people will be punished. For example, for falsifying vaccination data - they will begin to be prosecuted for fraud. At the same time, doctors who violate the prescriptions will be fined, fired and also brought to various types of liability.

You will not be able to hide, you will not be able to force the doctor to sign a paper that you received an exception, because there are rather strict rules on this matter, and doctors will be checked, each exception will be considered very carefully

- he added.

The functionary also promised that it would be difficult for the unvaccinated to keep their jobs and visit any institutions, organizations, places of recreation, shops and receive services. However, they will not have money for this anyway, and if they do, they will not be able to spend it. The reaction of the Australian public is still unknown.

The authorities of European Austria decided to take a different path. Alexander Schallenberg, who recently became Chancellor of this country, said that “only a few days” were left before the introduction of the isolation regime for unvaccinated citizens. Unvaccinated residents of the alpine republic may find themselves under "house arrest" as soon as 30% of intensive care beds in the country are occupied by patients with COVID-19. Currently, 20% of these beds are occupied, but the number of patients is growing rapidly. According to him, the current incidence of coronavirus in Austria is very high. It even exceeds the incidence rate in the UK.
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  1. Miffer Offline Miffer
    Miffer (Sam Miffers) 14 November 2021 13: 46
    +1
    The opus speaks only of the usual vaccination of two vaccinations.
    Russian academician Gunzburg stated that it is necessary to be revaccinated (that is, to be vaccinated again) every six months, although this is impossible even theoretically. Let's better discuss the words of Gunzburg: he is much closer to us than some Australian out there.

    PS A study of the case histories of the deceased in one of the former Baltic Soviet republics showed that 40% of the deceased were vaccinated.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 14 November 2021 13: 58
      +2
      And in Russia segregation by QR codes is not introduced. Yeah.
    2. Ivan Voronich Offline Ivan Voronich
      Ivan Voronich (Ivan Voronich) 14 November 2021 16: 22
      +1
      Vaccinated with purchased certificates, yeah, we know those.
  2. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 13: 59
    +2
    Strange, the author is outraged by the "segregation by Covid status" in Australia, but for some reason he does not write anything about the legislative restrictions for the unvaccinated, which are planned to be introduced in Russia :)

    The beam in the eye - it is, yes, invisible ...
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 14 November 2021 16: 25
      -1
      Vaccinated people already carry the virus. There is a great danger that the vaccinated can infect the unvaccinated.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 17: 02
        -2
        Why are vaccinated people suddenly carrying this virus?
    2. Fourth Offline Fourth
      Fourth (Fourth) 14 November 2021 17: 18
      -2
      Feasibility, what legislative restrictions are going to "plan" and who?

      Quote: Cyril (Cyril)
      Talk about the introduction of "Covid segregation" in some state is possible only after the adoption of the relevant legislative act or at least start considering it in parliament.

      The beam in the eye - it is, yes, invisible ...
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 17: 39
        0
        Feasibility, what legislative restrictions are going to "plan" and who?

        Здесь подробно - https://www.rbc.ru/society/12/11/2021/618d153c9a79470dd58ebe0d

        Since February 1 2022

        The beam in the eye - it is, yes, invisible ...

        Pull it out yourself.
        1. Fourth Offline Fourth
          Fourth (Fourth) 14 November 2021 19: 15
          0
          It is you who are fussing around the unapproved bill. Freak!
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 19: 23
            -3
            First of all, I didn’t say that the restrictions in Russia HAVE ALREADY BEEN IMPOSED. I wrote that they are being introduced. And even more so, the initiative, formalized by the government and submitted to parliament, is much more significant than the statements of the head of the non-governmental trade union or the private statement of the chancellor.

            Secondly, do you remember at least one of the bills submitted by the Government to the State Duma, which the State Duma would not have adopted?
  3. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 14: 09
    -2
    Well, again, the art of the propaganda headline:

    in the West introduce segregation of people by COVID status

    The article also talks about the speech of the president of the Australian Medical Association (AMA), which is not a government legislature or executive body.

    AMA is a medical trade union that does not even carry out certification and licensing of doctors.

    One of the officially declared AMA tasks sounds like this:

    to spearhead health policy debates through policy development and promotion, alternative to public policies that the AMA considers poorly targeted or insufficiently informed; responding to problems in the health debate by providing a wide range of expert resources. ; and ordering and conducting research on health issues. "Wikipedia site: buildwiki.ru

    In other words, the head of the local health workers union, which has no legal authority, spoke on Australian TV. But the author of this news is already squealing about "segregation by Covid status in the West"!

    At the same time in Russia:

    The Russian government submitted to the State Duma draft amendments on the use of QR codes in transport and in public places... We will tell you what additional measures will be introduced.

    Rules for visiting public places

    The first bill is called "On Amendments to the Federal Law" On the Sanitary and Epidemiological Welfare of the Population. "

    From February 1, 2022, citizens will be able to visit places of public events, cultural institutions, catering and retail facilities with the presentation of: a QR code on vaccination, a document confirming that a person has had a coronavirus, or a medical withdrawal from vaccination.

    Until February 1, if a person does not have the necessary documentation to visit these facilities, he will be able to present a negative PCR test. After February 1, only citizens with a medical outlet will have such an opportunity.

    The law establishes a maximum 24-hour period for the transfer of data from laboratories and other medical organizations about tests to the general system of Rospotrebnadzor.

    What is it then?) Covid genocide?)
    1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 14 November 2021 14: 36
      +4
      And you, of course, modestly kept silent about the news from Austria ...
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 14: 53
        -1
        And you, of course, modestly kept silent about the news from Austria ...

        But they started with news from Australia, didn't they? And it was she who was given 80% of the article volume.

        Concerning Austria. The Chancellor's words are undoubtedly the words of a civil servant, but not yet the law. It is possible to say that "segregation according to Covid" is being introduced in some state only after the adoption of the relevant legislative act or at least the beginning of its consideration in parliament.

        Well, the article does not reflect in any way the already introduced and planned for introduction (at the legislative level) "segregation" restrictions in Russia, China and other "non-Western" countries. In Bashkiria, for example, citizens without a QR code have been imposed restrictions on the use of public transport services.

        "Places only for the vaccinated!" sounds almost like "Places for blacks only", but the author of the news probably does not consider this "segregation according to Covid"?)
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 14 November 2021 14: 54
          +4
          But they started with news from Australia

          Phenomenal argument. However, like all your past ...
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 14: 57
            -1
            laughing

            My argument is not phenomenal (although thanks for that assessment) - my argument is simply valid. As soon as it turned out that "the introduction of segregation in Australia" turned out to be just a speech by the president of an organization that has no power in the country on local TV - did you find anything better how to answer in this way?)
            1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 14 November 2021 14: 58
              +3
              You can enter it at the state, household, social level. There is already someone like a head working ...
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 01
                0
                No, you can only "introduce segregation" at the legislative level. The same racial segregation laws in the United States, the Third Reich or South Africa were introduced precisely at the legislative level.

                On the legislative level impose restrictions on Covid in Russia.

                And the speech of a single private person on local TV does not mean that such an opinion is widespread even "at the public and household level." This is just the opinion of a private person, even if he has a certain publicity.
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  5. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 14 November 2021 14: 46
    -1
    And we have segregation by property status. Let's compare going to court, to the police, to the authorities of a simple hard worker or pensioner, and any deputy of any legislative assembly, a high-ranking policeman or prosecutor's employee, an official from the United Russia, just a very rich person, and everything will become clear.
  6. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 15: 02
    +1
    The bulk of the comments are about the fact that they began to compare countries.
    The principled side of the issue has gone aside. Restrictions are introduced in most countries of the world. In any case, those countries that are vaccinating. This is an ABSOLUTE violation of human rights and freedoms. Regardless of the country. Have we already been herded into a concentration camp?


    For Russia, the word "paper" is irrelevant. Soon the policemen on the streets will begin to demand Ausweis.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 07
      -2
      If we talk about the principled side of the issue, then there is a double-edged sword:

      On the one hand, yes, restrictions for the unvaccinated are a violation of their civil rights

      On the other hand, refusal to vaccinate, not due to objective reasons, makes a person potentially dangerous for the whole society.

      So comparisons with the Third Reich are incorrect. Race is not dangerous to society.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 15: 11
        -1
        Increasingly, they write that it is the vaccinated person who is dangerous to society.
        There are no truthful statistics and there is nothing to discuss. But if you think that human rights can be violated for the good of humanity, then I congratulate you. You can guess with what?

        Comparison with the Third Reich is quite correct. What's the difference on what basis to deprive a person of his rights?
        1. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 23
          -1
          Increasingly, they write that it is the vaccinated person who is dangerous to society.

          Let's take a closer look.

          First - Who writes?

          Secondly, on what basis?

          The reason to believe that it is an unvaccinated person who poses a danger is his lack of immunity. An unvaccinated person is more likely to contract the virus and therefore become a carrier of it.

          What is the rationale behind the opinion that it is the vaccinated person that poses the danger?

          There are no truthful statistics and there is nothing to discuss.

          Why not?

          But if you believe that human rights can be violated in the name of the good of humanity,

          There is such an expression: "The freedom (that is, the rights) of one person ends where the freedom (rights) of another begins."

          Do I think that in certain cases (for example, when a dangerous disease spreads), it is possible to restrict the rights of a certain group of people in order to preserve public safety? Yes, but with a caveat - this limitation must be clearly justified by objective reasons. And the degree of severity of such restrictions should be justified by objective reasons.

          then I congratulate you. You can guess with what?

          With what?
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 16: 20
            +1
            Have written too much.
            So. My opinion. Vaccination is optional. This is a fact that has been repeatedly confirmed by officials and documents. Consequently, coercion of vaccinations and denial of rights are illegal.
            The harm from vaccination is quite possible. In any case, there is information that insurance companies do not always sign under such contracts.
            There is no proof that unvaccinated people are dangerous. According to the data that were published - 80% tolerate generally asymptomatic, another 15% in a mild form. And only 6% end up in hospitals. I generally consider the term "asymptomatic" devoid of any meaning. So this is not the most dangerous disease. If a person is not treated or treated incorrectly, he may die.
            It is well known that catering workers must undergo a medical examination. But I have never heard that a citizen must undergo a medical examination if he decided to have a snack in a cafe. Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. What is written in the employment contract must be fulfilled. Just like what is written in the Constitution.
            About what I congratulate you on? You are caring for the good of humanity. Just like the communists. And if my position has not changed, then you are ready to drive everyone into a paradise without a baton. Violating human rights. By the way, I believe that the rights of the MOST citizens of the USSR were respected. So I congratulated you on the recognition of Stalin's righteousness.
            As for Stalin, I never concealed my attitude. But you just took the side of totalitarian methods. With which I congratulated you. And your freedom should end at the doorstep of my house.

            Supplement to Oleg Rambover. You still cannot understand the meaning of Order 227. This is an old dispute and I am afraid you will never understand it.
            1. Cyril Offline Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 17: 26
              +1
              Have written too much.

              My comment contained 139 words - is that "too many" for you? How did you master the Primer in elementary school?)

              The harm from vaccination is quite possible. In any case, there is information that insurance companies do not always sign under such contracts.

              I asked you not about the possible harm of the vaccine for the vaccinated, but about the dangers of the vaccinated for the rest of the people. You don't feel the difference, do you?

              There is no proof that unvaccinated people are dangerous. According to the data that were published - 80% tolerate generally asymptomatic, another 15% in a mild form. And only 6% end up in hospitals. I generally consider the term "asymptomatic" devoid of any meaning. So this is not the most dangerous disease. If a person is not treated or treated incorrectly, he may die.

              Hmmm ... you don't know about such a term as "carrier", right? I explain. A "carrier" is a person (or any other living creature) with an active virus in its body. In this case, the carrier can either be sick (that is, show symptoms of the disease) or not get sick (not show symptoms of the disease) - but in any case, he is able to spread the virus to other people.

              Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. What is written in the employment contract must be fulfilled. Just like what is written in the Constitution.

              Oh, let's turn to the Constitution, I'm all for it! We look at article 37, paragraph 1:

              1. Labor is free. Everyone has right freely to dispose of their abilities for work, choose the type of activity and profession.

              Here comes an applicant for the position of a teacher to get a job in a school. And they say to him - sorry, but you are not vaccinated against tuberculosis. We can take it only after you have been vaccinated.

              Is this a violation of the rights of the applicant, prescribed in the Constitution? Just answer directly - yes or no.

              And also answer how you feel about the compulsory vaccination of children against tuberculosis in schools and kindergartens.

              You are caring for the good of humanity. Just like the communists.

              Pfff, fascists, liberals, monarchists, anarchists and other followers of hundreds of different political movements also take care of the good of mankind (in their understanding).

              By the way, I believe that the rights of the MOST citizens of the USSR were respected.

              There are no majority rights or minority rights. There are only human rights and that's it. In the USSR, the "rights of the majority" were violated in the same way as the "rights of the minority" - the "majority" simply accepted or agreed to the violation of their rights.

              So I congratulated you on the recognition of Stalin's righteousness.

              You pulled an owl onto a globe. I did not recognize any "Stalin's rightness". Your precious Usatii did what he did, not for the survival and prosperity of society, but to strengthen his personal power.

              And your freedom should end at the doorstep of my house.

              And I didn't even think to impose on you my rights and my freedom in YOUR house. God forbid. In your house you can even hang yourself with cove bats, smear yourself with Ebola blood and eat pus from plague blisters for breakfast, washed down with a cocktail from the contents of a sump. I don't care if you rot away alive in your house.

              But as soon as you, hung with covid mice and smeared with blood with the Ebola virus, go out beyond the threshold of your house, you begin to pose a danger to my (and not only my) life. And by doing so, you violate the right of other people (including me) to safely use public transport, visit public places, etc.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 17: 59
                -2
                I've already said everything I wanted.
                The covid virus is not fatal and does not need to be vaccinated. We all have the herpes virus or syphilis virus. And a lot of other viruses. But no one can say that we are sick.
                I do not pose any danger to your life, because you are vaccinated. And even if you get sick, then in a mild form. And in what form to get sick is my own business.
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 18: 34
                  0
                  The covid virus is not fatal

                  Most viruses are not fatal. But they can cause complications that end in death if left untreated.

                  We all have the herpes virus or syphilis virus.

                  First, syphilis is not caused by a virus, but by a bacterium called treponema pallidum. This time.

                  Secondly, no, not every person is sick with syphilis. This statement of yours is true only for the herpes simplex virus - but it also has a very different pathogenesis than that of coronavirus. And most importantly, herpes is a long-standing and well-studied disease for which there are effective medicines and for which humanity has already formed a collective immunity.

                  No effective drugs have yet been developed for the coronavirus. This is a new disease, and like any new disease, in the first couples it "mows" a lot of people. And while there are no reliable treatments, vaccination is the only way to avoid large losses.

                  But no one can say that we are sick.

                  Right. A disease is a pathological condition of the body caused by infectious agents. If there is no pathological condition, but an active virus is present in the human body, the person is a "carrier", not a "sick" one.

                  I do not pose any danger to your life, because you are vaccinated. And even if you get sick, then in a mild form.

                  First, vaccination does not provide 100% protection against disease. If I am vaccinated, I can get infected and get sick (even in a severe form). It's just that the likelihood of this is significantly lower than without vaccination.

                  Secondly, besides me, there are people who did not have time or cannot for objective reasons (age, health, etc.) get vaccinated. You will be a danger to them.
            2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 17: 27
              -2
              Quote: Bakht
              It is well known that catering workers must undergo a medical examination. But I have never heard that a citizen must undergo a medical examination if he decided to have a snack in a cafe.

              But if you are trying to send a child to kindergarten, they will not take him without a bunch of vaccinations. Is it different?

              Quote: Bakht
              Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. What is written in the employment contract must be fulfilled.

              If it is written in the restaurant rules to serve only in a tie, is it a violation of human rights? Can a company serve only certain categories of citizens? For example, only the vaccinated?

              Quote: Bakht
              And if my position has not changed, then you are ready to drive everyone into a paradise without a baton.

              Why with clubs. It's like driving drunk. You can either drive the car sober or have a drink and not drive the car, your choice.
              The collective farm is voluntary. If you want - join. If you don't want to, we'll shoot you.

              Quote: Bakht
              By the way, I believe that the rights of the MOST citizens of the USSR were respected.

              You are wrong, most of the citizens of the USSR until the mid-50s were peasants, for whom one of the fundamental human rights, the right to freedom of movement, was limited. They did not have passports.

              Criminal Code of the RSFSR (1926)
              Article 192-a.
              Repeated violation of the established rules for registration of passports or temporary certificates by persons arriving in an area where the passport system has been introduced, having established documents
              Repeated violation of the established rules for registering passports or temporary certificates by persons arriving in an area where the passport system has been introduced and having established documents -
              correctional labor for up to six months.
              Living in the same areas of persons who do not have a passport or a temporary certificate and who have already been subjected to administrative penalty for the specified violation, -
              imprisonment for up to two years.

              Quote: Bakht
              You still cannot understand the meaning of Order 227. This is an old dispute and I am afraid you will never understand it.

              Of course I don’t understand, I don’t believe in miracles.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 18: 02
                -1
                I say that you do not understand the meaning of the order. Say, what exactly did Churchill say after the defeat of France? Here's a little parable for you. Maybe you will find a connection

                ... Once people walked the hard way through the mountains. The sun was not visible during the day and the stars at night, the clouds clung to the peaks. There was one among the travelers who called himself a Guide and led them.
                Travelers were exhausted and often fell, they had already eaten the last bread. And the Guide, in order to encourage, said: “Look, see the mountain? Behind her is the end of the road. ”
                And the fallen ones took courage and rose. At that mountain, the Guide told them: “I was mistaken. The end of the path beyond the next mountain. " And they went to the next mountain. And the Guide said on top of it: “I lied to you so that the fallen ones will be encouraged. The end of the road is just beyond the next mountain. ”
                And the travelers for a long time forgave him a lie, because it helped them to go. But finally, the severity of disappointment became unbearable. And even the most powerful despair and lay down on the ground. Then the Guide said: “You do not believe that the end of the path is near, because I have deceived you many times. But now I’m not lying, and that you believe me, I’m ready to take my life. ” And he went to the edge of the abyss to rush into it.
                But no one now found the strength in himself to rise.
                “People,” the Explorer said then. - Excuse me. I lied to you again. The end of the journey is still very far. Behind the farthest peak there is not even half the way. "
                And then one of the companions rose from the earth and said: “Lead. I will go". And another got up and said: "I will go too." And all the strong-willed stood up, deciding to die better along the way. And the weak in spirit remained and thus facilitated the journey in a strong spirit, because they did not tear their souls with words of doubt and despair.
                But the Conductor, wandering ahead, could not understand why the lie about the close end of the path, the lie that he was truly ready to confirm with his death, did not make people cheer up. And the truth about the endlessly far end of the road lifted people from the side of the road.
                And they follow him, and he does not hear tears and groans, as he had heard before. And even they sang a song, finding strength and firmness of spirit for it. And the Conductor sang with them: "The one who walks will master the road, although there is no end to the roads ..."

                V.Konetsky "Smile of Kolyma"
                1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 18: 38
                  0
                  Why can't you just say what you think was the "true" meaning of order 227?) Why speak in riddles, parables, proverbs and sayings?
                2. Cyril Offline Cyril
                  Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 19: 10
                  -1
                  Here's a little parable for you. Maybe you will find a connection

                  I read the parable :) What is its logic and moral value? Small analysis.

                  Firstly, the parable does not say anything about what made people generally go on this long and difficult path, for the sake of which they decided to do it. Without this, the story has no meaning. Just like that, without any purpose, people will not endure hardship and be ready for death.

                  Secondly, the Explorer is a complete scum. At first, he instilled in people a false hope of an imminent end of the path. Several times he broke his promises. And in the middle of the story, when people were already indifferent to whether he would rush down the mountain or not, he, contrary to his own promise, did not do it for $$ al.

                  Secondly. Where did the author of this parable see such obedient travelers? In reality, as soon as the Guide confessed to them that he was constantly lying all this time, and the end of the path is still not visible, his companions themselves would have cut him with sandal straps.

                  And then one of the companions rose from the ground and said: “Lead. I will go". And another one got up and said, "I'll go too." And all the strong in spirit stood up, deciding it would be better to die on the way.

                  They are not "strong in spirit", but stupid in head. Stupid and submissive like rams.

                  Although, in general, you know, this parable illustrates well the relationship between Stalin and Soviet society. He also hanged them noodles about the onset of the "bright communist future."

                  True, unlike the Guide from your parable, Stalin had such a good argument in the form of the army and special services, with the help of which he easily tamed those who grumbled when, instead of the promised communism, famine came in the country with the largest reserves of arable land and fallow lands resources :) This differed reality from fiction.
                3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 20: 38
                  -2
                  Quote: Bakht
                  I say that you do not understand the meaning of the order.

                  I probably understand that what is the meaning you put into this order and I do not like this meaning. In your opinion, it turns out that the Red Army lacked the courage to confront the enemy, but the almost divine word of Stalin (and the detachments) returned this courage to the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army. To me, firstly, it seems to be a shift from a sore head to a healthy one, when the disaster near Kharkov was completely on the conscience of the country's top leadership, including Joseph Vissarionovich himself, and not as ordinary soldiers and army commanders. Secondly, I do not believe that courage left these fighters at first, and then, as soon as they read this order, it immediately returned to them, it happens in fairy tales, in the Bible, probably too, but life is not a fairy tale.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  Say, what exactly did Churchill say after the defeat of France?

                  It?

                  The fall of France, the defeat of the French armies and the destruction of any counterbalance in the West should have caused some kind of reaction from Stalin, however, nothing seemed to warn the Soviet leaders of the serious nature of the danger that threatened them themselves. On June 18, when the defeat of France became complete, Schulenburg reported: "Molotov invited me to his office tonight and conveyed to me the warmest congratulations of the Soviet government on the occasion of the brilliant success of the German armed forces." It was almost exactly one year before the same armed forces, quite unexpectedly for the Soviet government, unleashed an avalanche of fire and steel on Russia. Now we know that after only four months, in the same 1940, Hitler finally decided to unleash a war of extermination against the Soviets and began a long, wide and secret transfer to the East of the very German armies to which these warm congratulations were addressed.

                  Quote: Bakht
                  Here's a little parable for you. Maybe you will find a connection

                  It all gives off some kind of religiosity. It seems that Stalin is god for you. For me, Stalin is just a person, and a monstrously bad person.

                  Actually, we have discussed this more than once and each remained with his own delusions.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 14 November 2021 21: 07
                    -4
                    OlegYou probably do not consciously understand the meaning of the order. And, probably, deliberately distort the meaning of your opponent's words.

                    Now at the expense of shifting from a sore head to a healthy one. You completely shift the disaster near Kharkov to the conscience of the country's top leadership. Where is your conscience? Why don't you say that the German aggressors are exclusively to blame for this? Or are they not to blame?

                    You never blame the fascists. Instead, you continue to destroy the history of our country, I have not forgotten your "historical" tricks.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 21: 44
                      -2
                      Quote: isofat
                      Oleg, you probably do not consciously understand the meaning of the order.

                      You probably do not consciously understand what you are writing.

                      Quote: isofat
                      Now at the expense of shifting from a sore head to a healthy one. You completely shift the disaster near Kharkov to the conscience of the country's top leadership. Where is your conscience? Why don't you say that the German aggressors are exclusively to blame for this? Or are they not to blame?
                      You never blame the fascists. Instead, you continue to destroy the history of our country, I have not forgotten your "historical" tricks.

                      Why do you write nonsense all the time? You have such a credo, if during the day you did not write a delusional comment, then the day was wasted?
                      1. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 14 November 2021 22: 16
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                        Oleg, what don't you understand? You have probably forgotten who attacked whom, who killed millions of our citizens?

                        You like to blame Stalin for everything and the top leadership. A strong and smart Aggressor has nothing to do with it? There could be no mistakes, the enemy turned out to be strong and cunning.

                        Are you going to blame the Germans for the enormous sacrifices that the Soviet people suffered?
            3. Miffer Offline Miffer
              Miffer (Sam Miffers) 14 November 2021 19: 36
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              According to the data that were published - 80% tolerate generally asymptomatic, still 15% in a mild form. But only 6% end up in hospitals

              80 + 15 + 6 = 101%, which cannot be at all
        2. Cyril Offline Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 42
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          Comparison with the Third Reich is quite correct. What's the difference on what basis to deprive a person of his rights?

          In the Third Reich, people were discriminated against by race and ethnicity. People do not choose race and ethnicity. Race and ethnicity are not dangerous. A person does not pose a danger to society due to the fact that he is a Jew, a gypsy or a Slav.

          Today they are restricting their rights for unjustified refusal to vaccinate. Not vaccinating is a deliberate decision made by a person. Refusal to vaccinate makes a person a possible spread of an infection that is dangerous to other people.

          If you don't see the difference between the two ... well, I don't know then. I can only sympathize.
        3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 15: 42
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          Tell me, are you against segregation and violation of the rights of catering workers? Without being tested for tuberculosis and vaccinated, they are not allowed to work. Or employees of children's educational institutions.
          Or maybe the drivers are being treated too harshly? If they drank, then they are deprived of the right to drive a vehicle. Is this a violation of human rights?
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 50
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            By the way, very good examples.

            The funniest thing is to hear about "infringement of human rights" from Stalin's admirers :) This is a paradox, a paradox. This is not in relation to Bakht, I do not know how he assesses Stalin, but some of the ardent Stalinists on "Reporter" or VO are more concerned about their rights than any libertarian :)
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 15: 56
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              Dear Bakht is just a Stalinist, he is sure that the word Stalin worked wonders.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 59
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                Huh? Then it is doubly funnier :)
  7. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 08
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    It remains only to figure out why the author believes that only the West has spoken about "segregation according to Covid" :)
  8. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 15: 09
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    Resolution No. 2361 (2021) of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE)
    https://european-court-help.ru/rezoljucija-2361-2021-parlamentskoj-assamblei-soveta-evropy-pase-vakciny-protiv-covid-19-jeticheskie-pravovye-i-prakticheskie-soobrazhenija/

    7.3.1. ensure that citizens are informed that vaccination is NOT compulsorythat no one can be subjected to political, social or other pressure to get vaccinated if they do not want to;

    7.3.2. ensure that nobody was discriminated against for not being vaccinated because of a possible health risk or unwillingness to get vaccinated;
  9. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 15: 53
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    By the way, I would recommend to editors to exclude this paragraph from the article:

    The Australian nominal authorities have begun to forcibly divide residents into groups in everyday life, i.e. actual segregation. However, human rights violations will not be carried out on the basis of racial or ethnicity, but according to the existing COVID status, i.e. whether the person is vaccinated or not. Probably, the British crown decided to conduct an experiment on the population of a remote territory, where at one time it exiled its guilty subjects to hard labor.

    After all, it turned out that the AMA is a non-governmental organization that has no legislative force, and its head is not a state person :)
  10. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 14 November 2021 16: 21
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    There used to be leper colony. And now Hitler is gone, but a mighty change has grown up and there will be leper colony. There will be islands, concentration camps and bonfires. Every time they came up with something for the common people, anyhow there were no revolutions. But if there is a planetary revolution, then the Earth will be ruled by monkeys. Earlier, at the very beginning, people were sacrificed. Then they came up with the Inquisition and the centenary wars. Then plague and cholera came. And finally, the pinnacle of destruction is the gas chambers. But everyone was surpassed by the Covid crown created by the capitalists for destruction and return to slavery. People will pray and strive for a nuclear war to start, so that aliens would destroy unnecessary and harmful humanity.
  11. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 16: 38
    +1
    I have neither the time nor the desire to discuss elementary things.
    Just for general information.
    It turns out that there are people who believe that the rights and freedoms of an individual person do not matter if a company is held for the benefit of all mankind. And who believe that the principles of segregation of people (by race, language or covid basis (no difference)) are fully justified.
    And the most paradoxical thing is that these people consider themselves to be democrats who hate Stalin's methods. I have always believed that Democrats are the biggest hypocrites in life.
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 14 November 2021 17: 32
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      It turns out that there are people who believe that the rights and freedoms of an individual person do not matter if a company is held for the benefit of all mankind.

      If the rights and freedoms of an individual begin to pose a threat to the entire society (including the most disadvantaged) - yes, reasonably they can be impaired.

      And who believe that the principles of segregation of people (by race, language or covid basis (no difference)) are fully justified.

      If you do not see the difference between a person's race and his conscious decision to be vaccinated against a dangerous disease that poses a danger not only to him, but also to other people, this is your problem.

      And the most paradoxical thing is that these people consider themselves to be democrats who hate Stalin's methods. I have always believed that Democrats are the biggest hypocrites in life.

      Another confirmation that one should not expect any logic in reasoning from a Stalinist :)
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 November 2021 18: 04
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        You do not have, excuse me, the brain to discuss them.

        I do not forgive.
        Another confirmation that I am not mistaken in people. Even on the internet. That is, in absentia. You don’t have a brain, but you don’t have culture either.
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    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 November 2021 20: 55
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      Quote: Bakht
      It turns out that there are people who believe that the rights and freedoms of an individual person do not matter if a company is held for the benefit of all mankind.

      So all the same you did not answer. Is the compulsory vaccination program for kindergarten a violation of human rights? Driving or drinking seems to be the most appropriate example to me. Is a drunk driver sure to run over anyone? No. Is he a danger to others? Yes. Can a person drink? Yes, but then don't drive. So with the vaccine, I'm not an expert, but doctors say that anti-axers pose a public danger, I have no reason not to believe them. Can a person refuse the vaccine? Yes. But then do not go by public transport, but by your own car.
  12. Bekchan Offline Bekchan
    Bekchan (Bechan) 16 November 2021 07: 16
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    "It's the same with us. That means that we are no worse than the Australians. We have something to be proud of. Our ugliness is no more than theirs. So we caught up with them. How joyful in my soul, soaring with happiness in the sky. Hurray!"
    This is, in short, the whole point of the article.