No gas, no coal, no electricity. Kiev asked for an energy blockade


"There will be no keen - the electricity has run out!" - it is with this phrase from the genius Soviet comedy film, which has long been turned into a “winged” aphorism, that exactly 100% can describe the current catastrophic state of the “nezalezhnoy” energy industry. There, however, not only electricity is running out, but also the raw materials needed both for its generation and for the normal heating season. However, let's not get ahead of ourselves. We were talking primarily about kilovolts and megawatts due to the fact that literally from yesterday Ukraine seriously expected to receive them from those countries towards which for some time now its officials have been spitting with the intensity of overeating camel soap.


At the same time, Kiev firmly believed that Russia, contrary to common sense and its own interests, would selflessly rush to save the mischievous "non-brothers", completely forgetting about all the dirty tricks they said and did in their own address. No, why ?! After all, this has already happened, and more than once ... So why did not it grow together this time? Let's try to figure it out.

Nothing personal just business?


"Wonderful" news Andriy Gerus, the head of the Verkhovna Rada's Committee on Energy and Housing and Utilities, said that from November 1, supplies of energy brands of coal to Ukraine will stop, and the export of electricity, contrary to all expectations, will not start. According to him, a double blow has been inflicted on the energy sector, which is “nezalezhnoy”, which is already breathing on its own. How significant was the role of Russian coal in it is evidenced by at least the official figures for its deliveries for 9 months of this year - 10.3 million tons. By the way, less was imported for the whole last year. Contrary to all the sheer nonsense about "Russian aggression", Kiev was ready to buy this raw material further - and in as large a volume as possible. However, the quotas previously allocated for its importers were suddenly "cut" - and to a complete zero.

In the domestic Ministry of Energy, such a decision was explained so simply and intelligibly that you can’t dig into: "We do not have enough ourselves!" Well, not that not enough, but, as noted in the department, they intend "in the autumn-winter period to give priority attention to the unconditional satisfaction of domestic Russian needs for thermal coal." And what can you say? Our coal: we want - we sell, we want - we heat! For Ukraine, whose TPP warehouses as of mid-late October had no coal for two weeks of work, and it was burned faster than it was brought up, the picture is, of course, sad. In particular, taking into account the fact that the deficit of anthracite threatens to stop not only thermal power plants, but also a number of “nezalezhnoy” thermal power plants. It was in this connection that they wanted to save it for heating, having bought electricity abroad. However, here, too, completely unforeseen complications of the most unpleasant nature arose.

On October 27, the state company Ukrenergo held an auction for the right to access the interstate section of power transmission lines in the Belarusian and Russian directions. The subject of the auction was colossal volumes of supplies - 900 megawatt-hours from Minsk and 2200 megawatt-hours from Moscow. At the same time, it should not be forgotten that the very same management of "nezalezhnoy" earlier (from the spring of 2020) decisively refused to purchase both Russian and Belarusian electricity. Subsequently, the ban on their import was extended several times, and even accompanied by disgusting political "Dancing", as well as ranting that "a country following the European course" in no case can consume electricity generated in the "aggressor country" or "under a dictatorial regime." In the end it turned out - maybe, and how! If there is nowhere else to go.

The deficit of electricity on the Ukrainian energy market has recently reached the level of 1.5 thousand megawatts (at peak values). But winter has not yet begun. According to the available data, the heads of the presidential administration were scratching their heads, and they gave the go-ahead for the "energy zrada", allowing the holding of auctions and the purchase of "totalitarian" megawatts. But it suddenly turned out that no one was going to sell them to Kiev. The "electric" auction announced by the domestic Inter RAO on October 20 was canceled literally the next day. They did the same in Belarus. The motivation is the same everywhere: “You yourself have previously refused supplies, we don’t owe you anything, energy is required by internal consumers, and in the event of an excess of it, finding richer and better buyers is not a problem at all. In the current conditions ... ”And there is nothing to cover - Kiev has driven itself into a trap with its own hands.

Donbass, Bayraktar and Reznikov's appointment?


Some of economic experts stubbornly continue to believe that everything that happens has purely mercantile reasons. They say that electricity, that the raw materials for its production, are much more profitable to sell to Europe, where prices are at least one and a half to two times higher, and they are “ripped off” there, as they say, “with hands”. This is evidenced, for example, by the fact that the volume of coal supplies to the EU from our country in the first half of the year alone increased by almost 2.5%. That is so, but earlier in such cases, Moscow has invariably put the task of supporting the "fraternal people" above material gain. And the fact that Minsk, which previously always played the role of an absolutely reliable economic partner for the “non-profitable” role of an absolutely reliable economic partner, refused to Kiev in the supply of electricity in sync with Moscow, also suggests that in this case everything is far from simple. In no case can it be denied that the current energy blockade "non-existent" (namely, it, if you call a spade a spade, is now beginning), was preceded by quite definite steps of its leadership.

Analysts call the extremely arrogant actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which defiantly used the Bayraktar strike UAV in Donbas, as the notorious "last straw" that overflowed the Kremlin's patience. In fact, this demarche became the final withdrawal of Kiev from the negotiation process on the peaceful settlement of the conflict and marked the transition to a course towards its "forceful" resolution. If anyone had any last doubts about this, they were completely dispelled by the announced intention of Volodymyr Zelensky to replace the head of the Ukrainian military department.

The point here is, first of all, in the candidacy of a new candidate for this post, according to available data, has already been approved by both the president-clown and his pocket “parliamentary faction”. They plan to put at the head of the Ministry of Defense no one other than Alexei Reznikov, who literally until yesterday held the posts of Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine for the reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories and the representative of the "non-foreign" in the working subgroup on political issues of the Minsk Trilateral Contact Group. By education and professional experience, this character is a lawyer who has never had a relationship with the armed forces in his life (with the exception of military service in the Soviet army). By way of thinking and "ideology" - a typical Galician Nazi with miserable misanthropic views. It was Reznikov who said that the residents of Donbass are “mentally ill people”. And this region itself is "a tumor on the body of Ukraine, with which it does not know what to do." Then, I remember, he argued that in this case he was in favor of "therapy." Well, how such a "therapy" looks like, the world at one time perfectly demonstrated Herr Himmler, whom Pan Reznikov looks like in some photographs so that it becomes already creepy.

Obviously, a particularly strong inner ugliness still leaves its mark on the “mirror of the soul”. What could Zelensky have in mind when appointing such a subject to the post of Minister of War ?! It is your will, but it is simply impossible to imagine other directions for his activities in this post, except for the armed "de-occupation" of Donbass. They are not and cannot be, how not to say! In fact, Kiev signs its intentions to unleash a war in Donbass and is taking quite real steps towards this.

What goal is pursued by such demarches by a crazy comedian is completely unimportant. Does he want in this way to correct his own rating, rushing to the level of statistical error with the speed of an avalanche, is he trying to win the approval of the owners from Washington, proving his own absolute loyalty and readiness to serve as an even more aggressive "icebreaker" in Russophobic affairs than his predecessor? All these are the problems of Zelensky himself and his entourage. In this case, Moscow should be concerned about only one thing - the price of these pathetic attempts will be human lives in one way or another. And first of all, the lives of those people who, for seven years now, not in word, but in deed, have confirmed their commitment to the "Russian world", paying for belonging to it with their own blood. The threat of certain power outages hanging over Ukraine and its inhabitants, the collapse of the remnants of industry and infrastructure, an economic collapse - all this, of course, is scary. Alas, not only those residents of the country who in 2014 jumped on the “Maidan” or subsequently “heroed” in the ATO will suffer, but also those who were and remain categorically against all this. Those who did not choose either Poroshenko or Zelensky, or the terrible future towards which the country is now heading in full swing.

Nevertheless, we have to admit that the “coercion to peace” of Kiev through the most severe economic sanctions against it, with the help of depriving the gang, ruling today in the “non-foreign”, a purely physical opportunity to attack someone, “reintegrate” and “de-occupy” ", Is far from the most tough way of solving the" Ukrainian question ". Perhaps (and even most likely) this should have been done much earlier, but this was not done. On the other hand, right now such actions have the greatest chances of being crowned with success in the form of not a cosmetic, but a cardinal change of power in Kiev, and, accordingly, its foreign policy and domestic policy. Ukraine today does not have to rely on any "material assistance" from the West (there is definitely no excess coal and gas), or even on any significant attempts to somehow "put pressure" on Moscow, which marked every one of the similar Russian-Ukrainian crises ... This time everything will really be decided one-on-one, here and now. As it should be.
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  1. YES UZH Offline YES UZH
    YES UZH (YES) 2 November 2021 08: 51
    +3
    In order for the thought process to pass better, it is necessary to keep hot heads in the cold, and the ass in the cold. Now the necessary conditions are being created.
    1. wlkw Offline wlkw
      wlkw (Vladimir) 2 November 2021 09: 50
      +1
      As they say, galloped. I really want to hope for the thought process. But now they will have to go through a "merry" winter, even if they are then connected to electricity for humanitarian reasons.
      1. Tatyana Offline Tatyana
        Tatyana 2 November 2021 22: 50
        0
        No gas, no coal, no electricity. Kiev REQUESTS for an energy blockade

        Amazingly accurate article title !!!
        Indeed, Kiev exclusively itself with a fool for a blockade INQUIRED!
        Lucifer Zelensky and his "servants" did their best.
        But these are still "flowers" for Ukraine, and "berries" will come later.
  2. Alex Orlov Offline Alex Orlov
    Alex Orlov (Alex) 2 November 2021 09: 58
    +2
    They have two paths now. Either a large-scale conflict in the Donbass with the involvement of Russia (which is unlikely), or a suitcase-train station-abroad. In the second version, as the author correctly noted, there is also the option of creating, if not a pro-Russian, then a neutral state. At least with the same Medvedchuk at the head. I think there have been preliminary agreements with him for a long time. And there will be no entry into NATO, and, most likely, there will be no military bases of our enemies. Not immediately, but within the next few years. For less, I think, Putin will not agree.
    1. Terry18 Offline Terry18
      Terry18 3 November 2021 11: 09
      -5
      There is also a third option - the creation in Russia, if not a pro-Ukrainian, then at least a neutral state.
      1. Alex Orlov Offline Alex Orlov
        Alex Orlov (Alex) 4 November 2021 15: 24
        0
        Andrey, such an option, in principle, cannot be. After all, initially ALL nasty things went (and continue to go) from Ukraine. And our people just got sick of listening to how Ukrainians lower us below the plinth. Here is the result. Cause and effect should not be confused, no matter how much you want.
  3. Sofa division Offline Sofa division
    Sofa division (Maksim) 2 November 2021 10: 23
    +5
    God grant that! Be strong Donbass!
  4. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 2 November 2021 10: 26
    -2
    Big capital, as the main budget-forming element, receives the lion's share of revenues from the export of raw materials and semi-finished products, while in the external market it faces sanctions pressure and competition on the one hand, and tariff restrictions in the domestic market, on the other, whose need and solvency are also in times less than the external. The consequence of this situation is the policy of the Russian Federation aimed at assisting large capital in expanding the sales market - the CIS, WTO, EAEU, the union state, the northern streams, in order to keep it subordinate to the state on the one hand and not to lower the living standard of the population below the critical level on the other, otherwise, the threat of a coup d'etat looms, because any Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs can buy an army as their colleagues in Ukraine did - the Akhmetovs, Kolomoisky, Poroshenkins.
    1. Alex777 Offline Alex777
      Alex777 (Alexander) 2 November 2021 17: 50
      -1
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      any Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs can buy an army as their colleagues in Ukraine did - the Akhmetovs, Kolomoisky, Poroshenkins.

      You don't know anything about Russia at all. Fierce delirium ... bully
  5. silver169 Offline silver169
    silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 2 November 2021 11: 40
    +1
    I can't believe if Vladimir Vladimirovich Yeltsin finally came to his senses and realized that you need to talk to animals in their language?
  6. I see that Ukraine is waiting for a terrible winter, without heat and light! However, Putin is cool!
  7. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 2 November 2021 12: 11
    +1
    It looks like it’s true, nothing personal, just business, and Ukrainian at that. Here are some interesting details. In my opinion, the version presented is quite viable. I can hardly believe in the coordinated actions of Russia and Belarus to organize some kind of energy blockade. Lukashenka will not miss the opportunity to earn money, and if the reason is blocking supplies in Ukraine, this explains a lot.

  8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 2 November 2021 16: 44
    -3
    Some kind of autumn aggravation. Every year for seven years, carriers of this disease shout "Ukraine will not survive the winter", in especially severe cases, "Europe will not survive the winter." But usually everything goes away by the spring. Until next fall. And so from year to year.
    The fact is that the Russian Federation was defeated in Ukraine. If you read all sorts of Brzezinski, then catastrophic. In his opinion, expressed in the book "The Great Chessboard", Russia cannot be a world empire without control over Ukraine. And Russia in '14 lost control over Ukraine, and all this dancing with coal and electricity is waving fists after a fight.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 3 November 2021 00: 55
      +2
      The fact is that at the end of his life, Brzezinski realized that everything he wrote and taught was fierce delirium. And most of all he was saddened that several generations of politicians (over 50 years) were brought up on this delirium. And now there are no others, but those that do have - the brains have already been turned by Brzezinski and they do not perceive anything else.
      It's all the same that the generations of "economists" brought up by the Higher School of Economics and other Gaidar-Chubais gadyushniki. They are not capable of adequately perceiving reality. But we still have a normal economic school in a couple of places (after all, the Gaidar Sabbath began 20 years later than in the West). But in the West there are neither normal economists nor normal politicians.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 November 2021 14: 52
        0
        Quote: boriz
        The fact is that at the end of his life Brzezinski realized that everything he wrote and taught was fierce delirium.

        Did he tell you this himself? Yes, his fascination with pseudoscience geopolitics is reprehensible, but something I did not notice that he abandoned his views?

        Quote: boriz
        And now there are no others, but those that do have - the brains have already been turned by Brzezinski and they do not perceive anything else.

        As the Americans say, if you are so smart, why are you so poor. For some reason, Russian politicians (more precisely, a politician) who are not spoiled by the influence of Brzezinski (although also a supporter of geopolitics) are not particularly successful.

        Quote: boriz
        But we still have a normal economic school in a couple of places (after all, the Gaidar Sabbath began 20 years later than in the West). But in the West there are neither normal economists nor normal politicians.

        Are you laughing? Are you talking about the Soviet economic school based on Marxism-Leninism or what? So she rested in Bose in the early 90s, and since then there have been clones of Western samples.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 3 November 2021 17: 13
          0
          So she rested in Bose in the early 90s, and since then there have been clones of Western samples.

          You are not aware of Khazin's work.

          For some reason, Russian politicians (more precisely, a politician) who are not spoiled by the influence of Brzezinski (although also a supporter of geopolitics) are not particularly successful.

          You have the right to a personal opinion, but you should not impose it on the majority.

          Did he tell you this himself? Yes, his fascination with pseudoscience geopolitics is reprehensible, but something I did not notice that he abandoned his views?

          Have you personally communicated with him and were convinced of the opposite?
          Geopolitics is not a pseudoscience.
          Brzezinski's penultimate book "Second Chance".
          The latter is Strategic Insight.
          He didn’t have time to finish another one.
          There was no need to communicate with him personally, you can just read it.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 November 2021 16: 27
            -1
            Quote: boriz
            You are not aware of Khazin's work.

            You are definitely laughing!
            https://www.specletter.com/ekonomika/2009-08-27/print/cherez-tri-goda-v-vostochnoi-evrope-nachnetsja-golod.html
            Did I miss something? Was that hunger?
            https://www.forbes.ru/forbes/issue/2010-02/44284-nuzhen-elitnyi-analiz
            He is certainly not a forecaster.
            Thank God people like him are not allowed to drive, freaks from the economy.
            Glazev is much more dangerous.

            Quote: boriz
            You have the right to a personal opinion, but you should not impose it on the majority.

            I give my opinion, what is the problem? Has anyone authorized you to speak on behalf of the majority?

            Quote: boriz
            Geopolitics is not a pseudoscience.

            The Commission for the Fight against Pseudoscience at the Russian Academy of Sciences considers it as such.
            http://klnran.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BVZN_19.pdf

            ... there are dozens of real pseudosciences, such as astrology and palmistry, extrasensory perception and parapsychology, cryptobiology and bioenergetics, bioresonance and iridology, creationism and telegony, ufology and paleoastronautics, eniology and dianetics, physiology and socionics, graphology and graphology contacting, dermatoglyphic testing and geopathogenic zones, geopolitics and lunar conspiracy, theories of ether and torsion fields, memory of water and wave genetics

            Quote: boriz
            Brzezinski's penultimate book "Second Chance".
            The latter is Strategic Insight.
            He didn’t have time to finish another one.
            There was no need to communicate with him personally, you can just read it.

            I only read the chessboard. Generally a strategic vision or perspective. Did you read? And that he gave up his views?
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 5 November 2021 17: 00
              +1
              Khazin has program books.
              "The Fall of the Dollar Empire and the End of Pax Americana"
              "Memories of the Future"
              Putin this year began to speak simply with quotes from them.
              He predicted the end of the work of the model of capitalism in 2002, the division of the world into currency zones at the same time. The last crisis of capitalism. The beginning of the 2008 crisis. he predicted not by date, but as the moment of the Fed's rate lowering to a possible minimum, practically to zero. And he substantiated all this with figures.
              Right now he is on horseback, recognized by everyone. If you do not notice this, then your problem.
              The opinion of officials from the Russian Academy of Sciences should be treated very carefully. To remind about stones from the sky or in the course?
              It may not be worth calling it a science now, but in any case it is a generally accepted concept of views. And 100 years ago it could definitely be considered a science.
              Dowsing is not a science, but it has been used successfully for hundreds of years. The fact that the RAS does not study this phenomenon is so lazy and selfish bureaucrats.
              In their opinion, Tartaria never existed.
              I've personally seen dowsers work (successfully) and have seen tons of maps from different centuries. On the opinion of the Russian Academy of Sciences on this matter - do not care and grind.
              You will also remember 3 rifles per soldier from Nikitos ...
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 6 November 2021 17: 32
                -1
                Quote: boriz
                Khazin has program books.
                "The Fall of the Dollar Empire and the End of Pax Americana"
                "Memories of the Future"
                Putin this year began to speak simply with quotes from them.

                Are you talking about a left turn from above?
                https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/375118
                Less than three months later, the pension reform took place. Do you consider the pension reform a left turn?
                All this reminds of the ancient mantra like the world, the king is good, the boyars are bad. Putin is good, but evil liberals in the government prevent him from building socialism. Do you see a left turn somewhere? Putin said that conservatism is our everything, so there will be nothing to change. This is, of course, somewhat schizophrenic, on the one hand, to say that capitalism has outlived its usefulness, on the other hand, conservatism, that is, the preservation of this system in the Russian Federation.

                Quote: boriz
                "The Fall of the Dollar Empire and the End of Pax Americana"



                Quote: boriz
                He predicted the end of the model of capitalism in 2002, and the division of the world into currency zones at the same time.

                Twenty years have passed. And when?

                Quote: boriz
                The last crisis of capitalism. The beginning of the 2008 crisis. he predicted not by date, but as the moment of the Fed's rate lowering to a possible minimum, practically to zero. And he substantiated all this with figures.

                A broken watch shows the correct time twice a day.

                Quote: boriz
                Right now he is on horseback, recognized by everyone. If you do not notice this, then your problem.

                Who are all? Among real economists, he is a freak.

                Quote: boriz
                It may not be worth calling it a science now, but in any case it is a generally accepted concept of views. And 100 years ago it could definitely be considered a science.

                Alchemy, too, was once a science. There is too much mysticism in geopolitics.

                Quote: boriz
                In their opinion, Tartaria never existed.

                Maybe you believe in Hyperborea too?
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 6 November 2021 18: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Oleg Rambover
                  Putin is good, but evil liberals in the government prevent him from building socialism.

                  Oleg, as a liberal, you can answer all of us, but who or what prevented you (the liberals) from building socialism? Perhaps you did not build anything, but only destroyed? laughing
                2. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 7 November 2021 01: 34
                  +1
                  Who are all? Among real economists, he is a freak.

                  I told you it's your problem.
                  I did not write anything about Hyperborea. Not enough information. Therefore - I can not say anything.
                  About Tartary - I do not believe the RAS. I believe more, for example, Louis XIV. He, at the end of the 17th century, published a book. Awesome expensive and time consuming project. PR action to his board.
                  The book exists in many copies and is well known. I sent you a link in a personal message.
                  Where the kings of France, relatives and mistresses of Louis XIV end, the heads of the countries with which Louis himself maintained relations begin. He boasts of them. There (the second most important, after the king of Siam) you can see the emperor of Tartaria. You can read that China is not an empire, but a kingdom ruled by Tartaria. Somewhere far away Alexei Mikhailovich (Quiet), and then Vanechka and Petechka. The book took a long time to prepare, there was no Internet and aviation, and in Russia the government managed to change 2 times. That is, everything is correct there. We were simply not taught this truth. And that's not to mention the many maps, collections of flags, even the 19th century.
                  By the way, look how the first 4 kings of France differ from the next. And write if you notice.

                  All this reminds of the ancient mantra like the world, the king is good, the boyars are bad.

                  You have an understanding of the structure of power at the level of the average housewife.
                  In addition to books on economics, Khazin has a book "Stairway to Heaven", about the structure of power.
                  Power is never monolithic, it always represents some kind of consensus of the ruling groups.
                  As for the fact that you do not see the end of the model of capitalism and the cutting of the world into zones of influence, this is happening before your very eyes. And if you don't see it, you are hopeless. Time (short enough) will tell everything. Even you.
                  And, yes, Khazin never predicted the collapse of the dollar. Read the title of the first book carefully. He talks about the end of the dollar system in the world. Bretton Woods. The fate of the dollar itself, by and large, is of no interest to anyone. Will he or another piece of paper appear - these will be local problems in the US zone of responsibility.
                  Even General Milli, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Army, said that there are 3 poles of power in the world: the US, China, Russia. And the United States does not intend to fight either China or Russia. Since the great powers must resolve issues in other ways. What else do you want?
                  Of course, he is mistaken, there is still India. In Europe, it is not fully understood. But, on the whole, the essence of the matter is stated correctly, the unipolar world no longer exists. Now the boundaries are being cut and the rules of relations between the heads of the zones are being defined. Within the zones, the rules will determine the zone heads.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 November 2021 16: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: boriz
                    I told you it's your problem.

                    Rather, it speaks of your problems.

                    Quote: boriz
                    About Tartary - I do not believe the RAS. I believe more, for example, Louis XIV. He, at the end of the 17th century, published a book. Awesome expensive and time consuming project. PR action to his board.

                    That's exactly what PR is. This is the time of Peter the Great, it is difficult to believe that your then large state did not leave traces.
                    Moreover, judging by the picture, the king of Tartaria is a Caucasian.

                    Quote: boriz
                    You have an understanding of the structure of power at the level of the average housewife.

                    How did you define my understanding of the structure of power? Are you a psychic? Extrasensory perception is pseudoscience.

                    Quote: boriz
                    As for the fact that you do not see the end of the capitalist model and the cutting of the world into zones of influence, this is happening before your very eyes.

                    Do you see a cut into currency zones? Which? The dollar in reserves at the end of the 80s occupied 40 percent, now 60. The euro is pushing it, but according to Khazin, the Eurozone is controlled by the United States. The yuan is somewhere at the end of the list, yielding to the yen and the pound, its share is comparable to the Canadian dollar. Rubles are not a reserve currency at all and will not exist in the next decade. Where do you see the advent of currency zones?
                    If capitalism is over, then something has to come in its place. This is something to be discussed in society, which is called to be in the air. As it was at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, when there was a coherent concept of an alternative to capitalism, and not one. Now this is not the case, and if your Khazin is asked what will replace him, he modestly replies that he is developing an alternative concept. That's funny.

                    Quote: boriz
                    And if you don't see it, you are hopeless.

                    This is the argument of a weak opponent who is unable to defend his position with normal arguments.

                    Quote: boriz
                    And, yes, Khazin never predicted the collapse of the dollar. Read the title of the first book carefully. He talks about the end of the dollar system in the world. Bretton Woods.

                    Actually, this is how I imagine the collapse of the dollar.
                    Don't tell anyone, but the Bretton Woods system was replaced by the Jamaican one forty years ago, and Khazina, as an economist, would not be bad to know about this.

                    Quote: boriz
                    Even General Milli, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Army, said that there are 3 poles of power in the world: the US, China, Russia.

                    Is he an economist too? Then yes, America was gone.
                    What do I want? For Russia to be the third pole of power, it must have the third economy in the world, at least in terms of PPP. That's what I want. But for 20 years of the GDP's rule, we have not made any progress in this direction. And so this pole of power of the Russian Federation was inherited from the USSR and this inheritance will not last forever.
                    What is included in the Russian zone? Belarus?
                    1. boriz Offline boriz
                      boriz (boriz) 7 November 2021 16: 47
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                      Moreover, judging by the picture, the king of Tartaria is a Caucasian.

                      And who should he be? There is not only emperor Tartaria Caucasoid (Aryan). And the highest castes of India are still Aryans (people of haplogroup R1a).
                      Did you find the difference in the kings of France? Or did it not work out? Are there problems with observation?
                      That is, everything in the book is correct, only what you personally do not like is wrong.
                      And there is also the king of Florida. That is, wherever there were Catholics in America, there were also states of local residents (Mayans, Incas, etc.) and where Protestants were only savages. But modern American history of the Kingdom of Florida does not notice, while Catholic France does.
                      History was heavily cleansed.

                      Is he an economist too? Then yes, America was gone.

                      It is politicians, not economists, who delineate the boundaries of zones. Economists create the future model (those that are capable of it).

                      Don't tell anyone, but the Bretton Woods system was replaced by the Jamaican one forty years ago, and Khazina, as an economist, would not be bad to know about this.

                      In Jamaica, there was only a rejection of the gold backing of the dollar. And that's all.
                      The basic attributes of the Bretton Woods system remained. Has anyone canceled the Fed? IMF? WTO? ICBM? The dollar, as the world equivalent of value?
                      So trying to "finish" the Bretton Woods system is a scam.

                      What is included in the Russian zone? Belarus?

                      Zone boundaries are in the process of being sliced. When their configuration is officially announced, you will be surprised.

                      And so this pole of power of the Russian Federation was inherited from the USSR and this inheritance will not last forever.

                      How old are you? Don't you remember how 10 - 15 years ago people wiped their feet on Russia? Not to mention the horses of the 90s?

                      What do I want? For Russia to be the third pole of power, it must have the third economy in the world, at least in terms of PPP. That's what I want.

                      What Russia went through in the 90s, the rest goes through now. And Russia only needs to disconnect from the dollar system.
                      And let's not talk about GDP, especially the United States.

                      The dollar in reserves at the end of the 80s was 40 percent, now it is 60 percent.

                      In Russia?
                      And yet, how with the kings of France? Interesting to me.
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 November 2021 17: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: boriz
                        History was heavily cleansed.

                        Who was cleaning? Here is Khazin just for those who see conspiracies everywhere.

                        Quote: boriz
                        It is politicians, not economists, who delineate the boundaries of zones. Economists create the future model (those that are capable of it).

                        General politician? America is gone.

                        Quote: boriz
                        In Jamaica, there was only a rejection of the gold backing of the dollar. And that's all.
                        The basic attributes of the Bretton Woods system remained. Has anyone canceled the Fed? IMF? WTO? ICBM? The dollar, as the world equivalent of value?
                        So trying to "finish" the Bretton Woods system is a scam.

                        Only?
                        And what about the new reserve currencies, and the refusal to regulate the exchange rates by states, and the market definition of the exchange rate? Officially, the Jamaican system is now.
                        And what does the Fed have to do with it? These conferences determined the principles, on the basis of these principles the IMF, WTO and IBRD worked. Why do you think they must be overclocked is not clear.

                        Quote: boriz
                        Zone boundaries are in the process of being sliced. When their configuration is officially announced, you will be surprised.

                        Well, well, how long to wait for the announcement? Khazin seems to have said that Japan will enter the Russian zone. But this is ridiculous, a strange one with a much larger economy cannot enter the zone of a weaker country, on the contrary it is possible.

                        Quote: boriz
                        How old are you? Don't you remember how 10 - 15 years ago people wiped their feet on Russia? Not to mention the horses of the 90s?

                        Well, I don’t know, then the Russian Federation was not chased with pissing rags (sanctions) and who was not too lazy. Actually, what has changed for the better since the 90s in international relations?

                        Quote: boriz
                        What Russia went through in the 90s, the rest goes through now. And Russia only needs to disconnect from the dollar system.
                        And let's not talk about GDP, especially the United States.

                        Did Khazin tell you this? If the whole world goes through the 90s, it is difficult to imagine that the Russian Federation will be able to remain an island of stability in such a world. Putin did not manage to get off the oil needle, if they stop buying oil and gas from the Russian Federation, we will also have new 90s. So we need to pray that everything will be fine in the European economy.
                        How do you imagine disconnecting from the dollar system?
                        How will we measure the power of the countries' economies if not in GDP? In cartoons about wunderwaffen?

                        Quote: boriz
                        In Russia?

                        In the world, the dollar in reserves at the end of the 80s occupied 40 percent. Now in the world, the dollar in reserves holds more than 60%.

                        Quote: boriz
                        And yet, how with the kings of France? Interesting to me.

                        And I'm not interested. Sorry, I didn't look.

                        So all the same, what is replacing capitalism? Hasin already developed the concept?
    2. shinobi Offline shinobi
      shinobi (Yuri) 3 November 2021 05: 25
      +1
      After each winter, at the exit, we saw a different Ukraine, different from the previous one for the worse. Ukraine has been kept afloat until now by everyone around, and Russia has also been at the expense of itself. The first time it turned out to be on its own. And not even because of its stupid policy, no. The skakuasiya simply has no money left. And no one else is giving. Will it survive the next winter? Definitely not. The question is, what will be the result? And the curator will not give a sane leadership change until Ukraine will fulfill the task assigned to it and will not involve Russia, and with it Europe, into the war.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 3 November 2021 14: 42
        -2
        Quote: shinobi
        Well, after each winter, at the exit, we saw a different Ukraine, different from the previous one for the worse.

        Until 20, the Ukrainian economy grew at a faster pace than the Russian one.
        https://seosait.com/dinamika-vvp-ukrainy-s-2002-po-2016-gody/
        http://global-finances.ru/vvp-rossii-po-godam/

        Quote: shinobi
        Will she survive another winter? Definitely not.

        Bet?

        Quote: shinobi
        And the curator will not give a change of leadership to a sane one until Ukraine fulfills the task assigned to it and draws Russia, and with it Europe, into the war.

        About conspiracy theories went into effect.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 3 November 2021 17: 02
          +1
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          Until 20, the Ukrainian economy grew at a faster pace than the Russian one.

          And what happened to her? laughing
          1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 4 November 2021 18: 21
            +1
            They sold out everything that was possible, tore off all economic ties with the Russian Federation on this "economy" and ended.
            Trade with Russia is nizya, and the West does not need Ukrainian products nafik. smile
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 20: 19
              -1
              Quote: Ulysses
              They sold out everything that was possible, tore off all economic ties with the Russian Federation on this "economy" and ended.

              Do you understand what a GDP is?
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 4 November 2021 21: 21
                +1
                Do you mean the difference between a certain total income and real production ??
                A worthy representative of the consumer society?

                The Zuckerberg metaverse is already under construction for you.
                Welcome.. fellow
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 21: 25
                  -1
                  Gross domestic product, generally accepted abbreviation - GDP - a macroeconomic indicator reflecting the market value of all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct consumption, use or application) produced per year in all sectors of the economy on the territory of the state for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the factors of production used.

                  Still there is on the Internet. Why is it difficult for you to find it?
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 4 November 2021 21: 52
                    0
                    Ulysses, Mr. educated person, in everyday life Rambover, unable to answer your question, excuse him. sad
                    I hope that you understand that when Oleg does not know an intelligible answer, it is your fault!
                  2. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 4 November 2021 21: 56
                    +1
                    Oleg, you understand the difference between a certain total income and real production?

                    PS On the Internet, I looked, it does not say whether you understand or not. request
                  3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 4 November 2021 22: 41
                    +2
                    Still there is on the Internet.

                    You see what the matter is.
                    The Internet should be an assistant to your basic knowledge.
                    No more.

                    When I come across such statements, I understand who I am dealing with.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 22: 44
                      -1
                      Totally agree with you. If you do not have basic knowledge and you don’t know what a GDP is, it’s not a shame, it’s a shame that you didn’t even try to find out.
                      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 4 November 2021 23: 31
                        +1
                        Uh-huh.
                        When you have a little more than a shabby sofa with a computer, you begin to understand how your "basic knowledge" differs from mine. yes
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 23: 53
                        -1
                        I agree that you have perfectly demonstrated your basic knowledge.
      2. shinobi Offline shinobi
        shinobi (Yuri) 4 November 2021 03: 22
        +1
        The economy of Ukraine was growing? Very funny. Faster than the Russian? Dear, have you stopped taking medicine long ago? You have a problem with the perception of reality.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 04: 17
          -1
          How I like turbo patriots like you. I especially like to poke their noses into their own ignorance.


          You can find it on the website of the Federal State Statistics Service
          https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/VMMhKbGo/world2020.pdf
          1. shinobi Offline shinobi
            shinobi (Yuri) 4 November 2021 04: 55
            +2
            Yes, yes. Have you heard such an expression, paper will endure everything? You can write anything and anywhere. Especially this applies to statistics on the "official" sites. there was simply nothing to eat. Literally. Empty counters, rationing system of distribution (just before the collapse) of essential goods. Not caught? Now statistics assert the opposite. How still alive is something incomprehensible. But here's the paradox, I have everything I want. Four shops within a radius of 150m from the house and in the house itself there are two. The counters are bursting with the goods, the valuable ones allow you not to count too much. But! I have to believe your statistics? Yes, schazzz, I'll just stroke the laces
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            2. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
              Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 4 November 2021 07: 10
              -2
              Who owns your 4 stores? Retail "Pyaterochka", "Perekrestok", etc. are owned by Western investors ... Like Gaidai: "With a slight movement of the hand ..." and all the shelves in retailers are empty ... in hokhlyandiya. And small business in "grocery stores" is almost completely crushed and is not a competitor to retail.
              1. shinobi Offline shinobi
                shinobi (Yuri) 6 November 2021 07: 07
                0
                I never guessed right. The shops are owned by local izneshnikami, products are 70% Russian manufacturer, all agricultural products are their own. Network giants are uncomfortable with us, they have to import everything from afar. They are not used to working with small wholesalers, but they are the alpha and omega of our small business.
            3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 11: 06
              -2
              Yes Yes Yes. World w / Masonic conspiracy to denigrate the Russian Federation and glorify Ukraine in which Rosstat participates, and Russian officials from statistics are on the side of Ukraine. Do you yourself believe in it?
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 4 November 2021 12: 17
                +1
                In the USSR, Ukraine fed the whole country, after gaining "freedom" it grew, grew, ... outstripped, outstripped ...
                Oleg, so what happened to the Ukrainian economy? laughing
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 4 November 2021 13: 09
                0
                PS Have you heard the myth that Ukraine fed the whole country? I missed in my comment, above, smiley, sorry. laughing
                And today they are spreading new myths about Ukraine. yes
              3. shinobi Offline shinobi
                shinobi (Yuri) 6 November 2021 07: 15
                0
                If you believe in Western tabloids (as well as ours), then treat your head dear. According to their version, by zero, Russia should have disappeared as a state altogether. With all the convincing statistics and other magical evidence. No conspiracy? Oh well. Use Ukraine as an Argument in a Comparative Discussion? You're a humorist.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 6 November 2021 11: 08
                  -1
                  No dear, if you believe in conspiracies, there are enemies around and you don’t trust anyone, as in your case, then you need to think about treating your head.

                  Quote: shinobi
                  According to their version, Russia should have disappeared as a state by zero.

                  Whose are they? See the previous paragraph.

                  Quote: shinobi
                  No conspiracy? Well, well.

                  Again to the first paragraph.

                  Quote: shinobi
                  To use Ukraine as an argument in a comparative discussion? Yes, you are a humorist.

                  You stated that

                  Quote: shinobi
                  After each winter, at the exit, we saw a different Ukraine, different from the previous one for the worse.

                  Statistics suggest otherwise. She can be trusted, she can not be trusted, but there is no other. If you have any evidence of your statement, then present it. If this is just your faith based on watching Russian federal channels, then say so, it is pointless to argue in matters of faith.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 6 November 2021 12: 51
                    0
                    Oleg, your demonstration of some of the statistics, says the patient is breathing. And nothing more.

                    We cannot draw any other, more serious conclusions, there are no grounds for this. That’s the kind of thing, but you didn’t show us anything else, in support of your words, alas. request

                    It was not by chance that I asked you what happened to the Ukrainian economy. You were modestly silent. wink

                    Calm down, breathe deeply. hi
                  2. shinobi Offline shinobi
                    shinobi (Yuri) 7 November 2021 02: 11
                    -1
                    I’m too lazy to prove. I’m not looking at the magic box. For 16 years I’m not looking.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 7 November 2021 11: 46
                      -2
                      Quote: shinobi
                      Too lazy to prove.

                      Well, this is understandable, especially too lazy to prove when there is no evidence.
                    2. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 7 November 2021 14: 02
                      -2
                      Quote: Oleg Rambover
                      Well, this is understandable, especially too lazy to prove when there is no evidence.

                      Oleg, do you not know this! laughing
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 4 November 2021 22: 26
            0
            JuryI am not an economist and dynamics I understand GDP as movement. The table shows how the Ukrainian GDP is moving and changing. Big GDP, small ... everything in the world is moving.
            You have come under the mental influence of a magician.
    3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 4 November 2021 18: 26
      +1
      Until 20, the Ukrainian economy grew at a faster pace than the Russian one.
      https://seosait.com/dinamika-vvp-ukrainy-s-2002-po-2016-gody/
      http://global-finances.ru/vvp-rossii-po-godam/

      Nothing was found at the given address. Try using one of the links below or search.

      laughing
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 4 November 2021 20: 21
        -2
        Everything opens up for me. See the Rosstat collection "Russia and the countries of the world 2020" link above.
      2. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 4 November 2021 22: 56
        +1
        There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies, and statistics.

        - the author is not established.
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 2 November 2021 18: 06
    +3
    If Ukraine now starts buying coal from Russia, then why was Medvedchuk isolated then, if not for this?
    Only doubts take it that there will be such a blockade. Western partners will call and the Russian Federation will resume pumping energy resources to Ukraine. Loot often defeats principles.
  • Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 2 November 2021 20: 24
    -1
    Belarus will supply 500 MW of electricity to Ukraine under an emergency assistance agreement. Deliveries were resumed today, October 2 from 14.00.

    This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Energy of Belarus in the Telegram social network.

    "On November 2, from 14.00, under the agreement on the provision of emergency assistance, Belarus began supplying electricity to the Ukrainian energy system with a capacity of 500 MW. Deliveries are carried out at the request of the Ukrainian side," the message says.

    So it will be with the Russian Federation. "Brotherly people" and another blizzard. In fact - the loot and everything is offshore. Russian people bombs and shells from the Ukronazis.
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 2 November 2021 21: 29
    +5
    You need to gently press on a purulent pimple. If we have already brought to the point that the pimple has grown and festered, we admit that we are to blame! Now you need to act with him gently - you can't push hard from the outside - it will break through, there will be a sickly boil, and all this Ukraine will plunge into a real civil war. And if you push it right, rot and pus will jump out and they - Zelenskiy, Kolomoisky, arrested, Gordonov, can simply be wiped off with a rag.
    Wait for the first Russian killed? To declare a just war? We don't need to shake the test tubes. There are already enough criminal cases. It's time to crush this abscess. Press from the inside. While there are still people who are ready to push from within. In Odessa, they were burned and shot, in the DPR they are at war. They also exist in Kiev, but they are intimidated. Children are afraid - mom, I don't want to speak Russian even at home ...
    It's time already, the abscess must be squeezed, or cut without anesthesia ...
  • Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 2 November 2021 21: 46
    +3
    This time everything will really be decided one-on-one, here and now. As it should be.

    It is interesting to see what will happen next and I hope that my assumptions will be confirmed. It's a pity only the people of Ukraine, who wanted a normal life and friendship with Russia, and chose a clown only because Petro Chocolate would not come to power again. Well, I want to wish the residents of Donbass strength and patience. and God forbid we will soon unite. God forbid!
  • Mantrid Machina Offline Mantrid Machina
    Mantrid Machina (Mantrid Machina) 2 November 2021 23: 01
    -1
    Did the skakuas get striped Halloween gifts? Sent laughing But now let the Javelins and so on. , there probably a kilo of gunpowder? so let them be heated, or they get electricity ... And then you can also make fat lamps from lard like in the Neolithic and use a vodka to heat yourself wassat
    1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
      Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 4 November 2021 07: 14
      +1
      To make 1 liter of vodka you need "energy". Take it from the dung?
  • antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
    antibi0tikk (Sergei) 3 November 2021 01: 20
    0
    Recently I watched a movie, our Russian one, about the war, about snipers. There the main character said a good phrase: our main enemy is not fear, but pity. I also feel very sorry for my wife's relatives in Nikolaev, where my little nephew is growing up. But we have to wait, not to go there. On this thread, Shiva's colleague rightly said that you cannot press outside, you have to press so that all the rot comes out to the top, i.e. from the inside. So that the people of Ukraine get their own real independence. And on the way, this winter will be a "sobering-up" for many residents of Ukraine. A little bit left.
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 3 November 2021 18: 43
    -1
    The Ukrainians decided to live in a blockade, like in Leningrad, and also for five years, you have to feel on your own skin how to chop the ice of the Dnieper and what his taste is. Of course, he does not smell of moonshine, but it carries it chewed, below a certain place. Filter thoroughly and do not eat fish, it may smell like chewed.