How and when can Russia get rid of Turkey's dependence

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Two days ago, talks were held between Presidents Putin and Erdogan in Sochi. The meeting was held behind closed doors, and after that it was reported that the Russian and Turkish leaders discussed a wide range of difficult issues on which they were forced to seek compromises. What kind of questions are these, and how much longer will our country have to constantly look back at its "sworn partner with a scimitar"?

The main topic for discussion between the heads of the two states was the situation in Idlib. Recall that the northern part of this Syrian province is occupied by pro-Turkish militants and is under the control of Ankara. However, official Damascus is not satisfied with this, the government army is constantly pulling forces to the demarcation line, and the Russian Aerospace Forces have recently intensified their raids on terrorist positions. Turkey does not like this very much, it brought its troops into the occupied territory of the SAR, and President Erdogan flew to the capital of the Kuban to talk straightforwardly with his Russian counterpart. But what could this notorious compromise consist of?



On the one hand, Ankara is interested in maintaining a buffer security belt against Kurdish militias in its border area. The maximum program may consist in the creation in northern Syria of an alternative to Damascus, a pro-Turkish regime, which in the future may be used against President Bashar al-Assad or his successor as another step towards the revival of the Great Port. On the other hand, neither the Russian nor the Syrian authorities are satisfied with this at all. Damascus insists on the de-occupation of Idlib and is ready to do it by military means, but it does not have enough strength to independently solve this problem.

The problem is that Russia, as an ally of the SAR, cannot afford to fight directly with Turkey. First, Turkey is a member of the NATO bloc. Secondly, the supply of the Russian military contingent in Syria is carried out through the Turkish straits. Third, to put pressure on Ukraine and the EU, the Kremlin needs the Turkish Stream bypass pipeline. As you can see, our country is very closely dependent on one of the members of the North Atlantic Alliance, which carries significant geopolitical threats and significantly hinders opportunities. We cannot fight directly, as this will lead to the blocking of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles for Russian ships, as well as to the stoppage of the Turkish Stream. It will also be possible to say goodbye to the multi-billion dollar investments in the Akkuyu nuclear power plant, which the authorities are likely to nationalize.

How can Moscow respond to Ankara in Idlib? Of the real, this is a war in the "proxy" format, when our Syrian allies will launch a large-scale attack on the territory of northern Idlib occupied by the Turks. It is assumed that then several million refugees can move to Turkey at once, which will arrange a real humanitarian and socialeconomic a crisis. Since Turkey's presidential elections are just around the corner, this will be a real blow to the positions and ambitions of Reijp Erdogan. It is not surprising that the "Sultan" flew to Sochi to personally communicate with his colleague Putin.

Unfortunately, the matter is much more serious than it seems at first glance. The Kremlin at one time made a bet on Turkey as a counterweight to Ukraine with its gas transit. At that time, this seemed to be a lesser evil than maintaining the position of Independent as the main intermediary in the gas trade with Europe. Alas, now Ankara poses a potentially much greater threat to Russia than Kiev. The problem lies in the imperial ambitions of President Erdogan, who is gradually building a new "Great Port" step by step, and at the same time goes to where it has never been. We are talking about the project of the union of the Turkic-speaking countries "Great Turan" and the possibility of creating its united army, a kind of "Central Asian NATO". For the national interests of Russia, such an alternative to the CSTO unification in its southern underbelly is an existential threat.

A while ago we reasoned about three reasons for the war between Russia and Turkey in Idlib. The Turkmen question was indicated as one of them. This gas-rich country with access to the Caspian, bordering Afghanistan and not a member of the CSTO, for a long time avoided joining the Turkic Council under the auspices of Ankara. And now a fundamental shift has taken place. According to IA Report with reference to the Deputy Chairman of the Justice and Development Party of Turkey Binali Yildirim, Turkmenistan suddenly decided to become a member of the Cooperation Council of Turkic-speaking States. This will be officially announced at the VIII Summit of the Turkish Council in Istanbul on November 12.

So, taking advantage of the situation in neighboring Afghanistan and the threat from the Taliban (the organization is banned in the Russian Federation as a terrorist organization), Ankara managed to drive even uncompromising Turkmenistan into its networks, which diligently tried to avoid participation in various blocs and alliances. Both coasts of the Caspian Sea will soon be under the indirect control of Turkey, and then the way to the rest of the countries of Central Asia will be open. They sailed.

It turns out that Turkey poses an even greater threat to Russia than Ukraine. Something must be done with this and as early as possible, until the "sultan" has really strengthened his new empire. But how? Rely on Syrian allies? Will they pull? To fight directly, receiving a blockade of the straits and stopping the Turkish Stream in response?

It turns out that first we need to minimize the damage from such measures by Ankara. For example, with regard to the problem of supplying our group in Syria, it can be largely solved by the launch of a railway between Iran, Iraq and Syria. Then we will be able to send everything we need across the Caspian and further by rail directly to Tartus and Latakia. In 2020, Damascus, Baghdad and Tehran signed an agreement on the joint implementation of this infrastructure project. Perhaps Russian investors and builders should also take part in it. As for the Turkish Stream, everything is both complicated and simple. This gas pipeline was created bypassing Ukraine and is relevant only within the framework of the current external policy The Kremlin. If we approach the solution of the Ukrainian problem consistently and harshly, then the entire GTS Nezalezhnaya will be under the direct or indirect control of Moscow. The need for a bypass pipeline will disappear, and it will be possible to start talking with Turkey in a different way.
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  1. -3
    1 October 2021 18: 03
    How and when can Russia get rid of Turkey's dependence

    - Very "good topic" !!!
    - In a nutshell, personally, I will immediately give an answer to the proposed question. -"How ?" and when"
    - Russia must immediately and categorically move to direct and decisive "demand-confrontation" with Turkey ...:
    - Turkey must immediately withdraw its troops from the territory of Syria ... - all without exception and exclude the infliction of air, missile and artillery strikes from its territory ...
    - Turkey must immediately stop the supply of weapons, military equipment to all kinds of paramilitaries, as well as local insurgent formations, providing military and other resistance = government troops, police units of the SAR; Russian military units (and military installations) ...
    - Turkey is obliged to comply with and fulfill all the conditions of the Montreux Convention ...
    - And Turkey should begin to implement all this immediately ...
    - This is "in a nutshell" ...

    It will also be possible to say goodbye to the multi-billion dollar investments in the Akkuyu nuclear power plant, which the authorities are likely to nationalize.

    - Yes, we'll have to say goodbye ... to multibillion-dollar investments ... - Well, not so long ago, our guarantor wrote off several tens of billions ... of debts ...
    - Well ... and these debts - in the same "piggy bank" ... - Russia has no other way out ... - But Turkey will have a very serious problem with this unfinished ... - Right now - all this for Erdogan (before the upcoming elections) - highly undesirable ...

    The Kremlin at one time made a bet on Turkey as a counterweight to Ukraine with its gas transit. At that time, this seemed to be a lesser evil than maintaining the position of Independent as the main intermediary in the gas trade with Europe. Alas, now Ankara poses a potentially much greater threat to Russia than Kiev.

    - Ha ... - Personally, I wrote so much that Russia itself is getting into a trap with this Turkish stream ... - and that "horseradish is not sweeter" ... - This has now become a reality ...

    It turns out that the threat from Turkey to Russia is even greater than from Ukraine.
    To fight directly, receiving a blockade of the straits and stopping the Turkish Stream in response?

    - Yes, "stopping the Turkish Stream" ... - So what ??? - Yes, they will immediately begin to tear Erdogan to pieces ... - after this stop ...
    - And what does "war directly and blockade of the straits" have to do with it ... - Why is it for the sake of ... - Who will fight there ???
    1. -3
      1 October 2021 18: 22
      So, taking advantage of the situation in neighboring Afghanistan and the threat from the Taliban (the organization is banned in the Russian Federation as a terrorist one), Ankara managed to drive even uncompromising Turkmenistan into its networks, which diligently tried to avoid participation in various blocs and alliances. Both coasts of the Caspian Sea will soon find themselves under the indirect control of Turkey, and then the way to the rest of the Central Asian countries is open. They sailed. They sailed.

      - Ha ... - Yes, who will follow Turkey when the Turkish Stream is stopped and "tension in the straits" arises ??? - They will go ... - for poverty-stricken Turkey, which lives "on the investments of Russian tourists"; on the export of their plastic tomatoes to Russia and constant financial handouts from Russia ??? - Nonsense ...
      - If Russia deprives Turkey of all this ... - Then for Turkey it will all be even worse canceled. The Turkish stream ... - Yes, and China ... - it will not simply "give up" Turkmenistan ... - Where have you seen a cat catch a mouse ... - and then give it to others ... = Hahah ...
      - As for NATO membership and the United States itself ... - then the United States will not even think of "harnessing for Turkey" ... - The United States today has its own problems - above the roof ... - And the United States today is not up to Erdogan ...
      - And "The East is a vile business" ... - and the "loyal and loyal" bakhtiars "will no longer follow the beggar Erdogan ... - Give money to these" faithful and faithful "ones ...
      - So ... - as soon as Russia shows categorical and harshness towards Turkey; then Turkey itself will "float" very quickly ... - Only when this "categorical and harshness" is shown ...
    2. -2
      2 October 2021 15: 27
      Turkey must - must - must, that it will be easy to understand further. Remember the fires in Siberia, and the planes where the fires were extinguished, the sultan who needs the loot was right.
      in your pocket and that's it. And if the Sultan has a huge amount of money, I think the Crimea can buy. It is logical if their forests are on fire, but an official sent to extinguish Turkish forests, then everything can be expected from such officials. I'm a pesemist.
  2. -10
    1 October 2021 19: 53
    The main question of the article can be answered very accurately with a quote from the cult Soviet TV series: "So you have no methods against Kostya Saprykin!" And you can't put a wallet in a Turk's pocket ... laughing
    1. +4
      1 October 2021 22: 08
      You should listen carefully to that part of Biden's speech at the General Assembly, which is dedicated to Israel. Disappointing for you.
      1. -4
        2 October 2021 06: 17
        Presidents come and go and Israel lives and develops.
        1. 0
          3 October 2021 00: 59
          You here recently boasted about vaccinations. they said how cool everything was. And I noticed that no one knows anything about the side effects.
          Why did your people come out to protest, against vaccinations?
          Have you been vaccinated for the third time? Or already the fourth?
  3. +2
    1 October 2021 22: 05
    In fact, it seems that the situation with Turkey in Russia is largely resolved. Erdogan understood who is in charge and has already drawn conclusions from this.
    The situation is presumably as follows:
    The WB, lately, has set Erdogan against Russia, forcing him to destabilize the situation around our borders. Presumably promising the Balkans, part of Georgia and Armenia. Maybe something else. When Erdogan had gone too far, he asked the WB for help, to which he was advised to meet with Biden at the General Assembly and get guarantees. For this meeting, Erdogan urgently requested a meeting with Putin. A meeting without delegations, face to face, in order to resolve issues "by concept", taking into account the support of Biden. I was going to "purely concretely" run into Putin. And before the meeting, he behaved insolently, including at the General Assembly.
    What happened not to the General Assembly?
    Biden sent Erdogan on a walking erotic journey. I just refused to meet.
    As a result, Erdogan went to a meeting with Putin (he asked for it himself), but before the meeting he looked like a naughty puppy who wrote to the owner in his slippers. This state of Erdogan was noted by all experts. And Putin was cheerful and joked.
    From what was said following the meeting, it is completely incomprehensible why Erdogan organized it at a run and was rude to Putin.
    In fact, Erdogan, without waiting for landing in Turkey, right from the plane, made official statements, such as Turkey and Russia - friendship forever, we will ask Russia to build two more nuclear power plants, sell another C 400, talked about cooperation in the field of arms production ( in particular aviation), space, shipbuilding (up to submarines).
    And stated that The United States must withdraw its troops from Syria and leave these lands to the Syrian people.... And the US coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa McGurk called the coordinator of the terrorists from the Kurdistan Workers' Party.
    There can be no talk of any lost investments of the Russian Federation in Turkey. It will be interesting to listen to Erdogan's statements about the WB, especially in light of the fact that Barbados announced that it no longer recognizes Elizabeth II as the ruler of the island.
    1. -6
      2 October 2021 06: 21
      Quote: boriz
      It will be interesting to listen to Erdogan's statements about the WB, especially in light of the fact that Barbados announced that it no longer recognizes Elizabeth II as the ruler of the island.

      God, Barbados has rebelled, what an irreparable loss for Britain! laughing laughing laughing
      1. +1
        2 October 2021 09: 26
        Down and Out trouble started wink
      2. 0
        3 October 2021 00: 43
        The signal is important. Innocence is lost once.
    2. +1
      2 October 2021 19: 54
      The Internet riffraff is already cooking up a monster from the Turks.
  4. -2
    2 October 2021 09: 31
    Again, the author wants an immediate "Hurray" and "decisive measures".

    But in fact, everything suits everyone. Even at the height of the Kurdish / Turkey conflict in Syria, Russian planes were flying quietly through Turkey. And what to do with Turkmenistan, which has no access to the oceans ...

    Cancel the Turkish Stream with its billions of dollars?
    Suddenly discover milen of refugees who live better near Turkey than the Syrians themselves?
    To write off sweet foreign oil, what is Endogan personally protecting?
    To close the billiard room trade with Turkey?
    Will they be deprived of such a convenient PR-"external enemy" as the Ukrainians?

    Yes, this is almost bulk!
    Money doesn't smell!
  5. 0
    2 October 2021 09: 38
    Vashcheto port is known soon as brilliant, not great. If we talk about the port.
  6. +1
    2 October 2021 09: 39
    The buffer zone will not only not be an obstacle for the Kurds, but will spoil state relations.
    The solution to the problem is the withdrawal of Turkish troops and an agreement with Syria to prevent the penetration of Kurdish formations into Turkish territory, and how she will do this - the internal problems of Syria.
    This is in the interests of not only both states, but also the Russian Federation.
    Syria will restore territorial integrity, otherwise it will not be able to fulfill its obligations.
    Turkey solves the problem with the Kurds in the Syrian direction and frees up resources to resolve other issues.
    The Russian Federation retains its presence and influence, does not spoil relations with the possible unification of the Turkic-speaking states and the entire Muslim world.

    If we approach the solution of the Ukrainian problem consistently and toughly

    , the consequences for the Russian Federation will be unpredictable - on the side of Ukraine is practically the entire world community, in whose eyes the Russian Federation is a threat, and "tough" measures will only strengthen the whole world in this opinion, including the very same Turkey, a NATO member ..
    1. 0
      2 October 2021 15: 48
      The world community is a really wonderful term. It actually includes countries where there are American bases.
      Where not - countries are hostile or even outcasts
  7. 0
    2 October 2021 19: 41
    Probably, all these moves of the Turks were considered in time.
  8. 0
    3 October 2021 01: 39
    The Russian authorities have diligently crawled into dependence on Turkey and will continue these efforts.
    The Kremlin's advisers are convincing that Turkey will also depend on Russia on this.
    I wonder if Erdogan agrees with this?
    Dependence on Turkey - knits the hands of Russia.
    But is Erdogan's hands tied for actions in Central Asia? in the Caucasus? in Syria? in Afghanistan?
  9. 0
    3 October 2021 11: 15
    Quote: Viktor Radziminsky
    The Kremlin's advisers are convincing that Turkey will also depend on Russia on this.
    I wonder if Erdogan agrees with this?
    Dependence on Turkey - knits the hands of Russia.
    But is Erdogan's hands tied for actions in Central Asia? in the Caucasus? in Syria? in Afghanistan?

    Yes, very correct questions.
    1. 0
      3 October 2021 12: 44
      PS
      Forgot about Ukraine.
      And in Ukraine, nothing prevents Erdogan from building up his active presence.
  10. 0
    10 October 2021 20: 10
    Turkey will always influence Russia's policy in the "southern" sector of the Mediterranean. And a number of countries are not allies there or Russia. not Turkey. And overflights of planes and passage of ships in that sector are possible either through Turkey. or via Iran. If we have no disagreements with Iran at all, then with Turkey there are disagreements over their allies and our (political) allies. But a number of Turkey's allies are not allies at all, they are waiting for a convenient moment to "throw" Turkey and the elite. the one behind Erdogan understands this ....