F-35 fighters will get rid of one of their main flaws

19 September 2021 49

On September 13, the Pentagon's Joint Program Office signed a three-year contract with Lockheed Martin to support the operation of fifth-generation F-35 fighters worth $ 6,6 billion. technical maintenance, training, supply chain management and analysis of the fleet of these aircraft, writes the American edition of Forbes.

Lockheed Martin said in a press release that the contractor is going to get rid of one of the major drawbacks of such fighters. The company wants to reduce its cost per hour of F-35 flight by 40% over the next five years, which will be in line with a similar reduction in the previous five years.

The F-35 is the Pentagon's largest weapons program today. It is designed for several decades and with its help they want to replace obsolete aircraft of the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. Taking into account the aircraft sold to the Allies, the program will eventually exhibit over 3000 fighters in three versions, the most common of which is the F-35A.

The Pentagon's Joint Program Office insists on expressing maintenance costs in 2012 dollars, when the program was last revised. Using “base year” dollars allows managers to understand key cost trends while eliminating the impact of inflation

- clarifies the publication.

The contract includes only those activities for which the company is responsible. They represent less than 50% of total maintenance costs. There is a huge difference between the fifth generation fighters and the previous ones. In the F-35, everything is integrated inside, there are no external suspensions, so it is incorrect to compare costs with other generations of fighters.

The F-35 contains more composites than previous-generation aircraft, and it takes less time to hammer rivets into metal than composites. But the company has made steady progress in shortening the curing time, and as a result, the aircraft is much more resilient after repairs than aluminum and steel gliders of the past.

The F-35 program is confidently moving towards solving problems. The F-35 is already significantly superior to older aircraft in lethality, survivability and versatility. The F-35 will soon outperform legacy aircraft in all major resilience metrics, including cost.

- summed up the media.

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Petr Vladimirovich

+6

19 September 2021 14: 08

Surpasses old aircraft in mortality

The main thing for Lockheed is not to stop there.
The greater the lethality of the product, the more new orders
I wonder who is the first to come running-minus?
A bare-assed Bandera, a barefoot emigrant or a homegrown liberal "valet"?
1. Bitter
  
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  20 September 2021 10: 24
  
  Well, the same translator as you worked in a similar way. Normal people honor smile and go further, and some begin to discuss this "straw in the eye".
  In essence, the article has thoughts or does the "elastic" only support the ears so that they do not fall off?
  1. avg
    
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    20 September 2021 10: 39
    
    And what thoughts can be on the merits of the article where only one thing is said - the company is going to reduce the cost of operation. When they reduce it without losing quality, then it will be possible to discuss.
    1. Bitter
      
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      20 September 2021 11: 12
      
      Agree. It seems like they are going to improve the quality, which means that the cost of incidental costs should automatically decrease.
      You can discuss everything, even what else is embodied in layouts and models. For this, such platforms are probably created on the network. At the moment, the SU-75 has the lowest operational cost, this is undeniable.
      I wonder how it looks in proportion to the general standard of living of the population. American or European gadgets are more expensive, but they also have different hourly wages for workers on assembly lines and pensions, respectively.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich
        
        +1
        
        20 September 2021 12: 20
        
        And the cost of housing, insurance and whatnot too
        
        Bitter
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 22: 28
        
        Naturally, the general level of well-being is different. And the way of life is also sometimes very different.
  2. Petr Vladimirovich
    
    +3
    
    20 September 2021 12: 19
    
    My thesis was a translation of one of the works of A. Camus
    He defended and went to work in Africa. And then by chance I saw this book in a foreign literature store, leafed through my translation. But the name of the translator is not mine
    I have no accent in French, but I had to work in the language of business, that is, in English. As for professional translators, I have a lot of respect for Puchkov, translation of films is perhaps the most difficult thing.
    I didn't understand about the gum.
    1. Bitter
      
      -2
      
      20 September 2021 22: 43
      
      I was so with the rationalization proposal, it was very insulting. Especially when I found out how much the former boss got for him. And the diploma work in the technical department is still used. There was an anecdote when the French came to the presentation, the translator was brought in with English. The presentation was in German, then ours in English, well, further along the chain. Instead of 1,5 hours, it lasted almost 3. Then I sympathized with the translators, although I had to sweat too.
      Forget about the gum, here I went too far.
123

+5

19 September 2021 16: 16

will surpass obsolete aircraft in all major indicators

In other words, it has not surpassed, therefore it is inferior to them. A worthy result of many years of work, the remake of an overseas engineering genius
Five years is not a short period. Trump, for example, believes that in 3 years they may not have a country.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-predicts-america-come-end-094652299.html
Binder

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19 September 2021 19: 46

What should be borne in mind - the fifth generation F-35 fighters of all modifications fly successfully, improve, and in the Israeli Air Force they perform combat missions with brilliance. Based on the number of flight hours, accidents are negligible, which positively characterizes the aircraft. At the same time, the situation with the fifth generation of Russians is extremely deplorable - the widely advertised, "unparalleled" Su-57 exists in a single copy, and the Su-75 is generally only in the form of an exhibition model.
1. boriz
  
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  20 September 2021 15: 08
  
  What to keep in mind - the fifth generation F-35 fighters ...
  
  It should be borne in mind that fighters
  F 35A - aircraft of the 3rd generation,
  F 35B and F 35C - 1st generation.
  In terms of speed, they do not go beyond the specified generations.
  This is how it should be said: these are the best aircraft of the 3 + and 1 + generations in the world. Simply wonderful, unparalleled. Nobody will argue.
  1. Binder
    
    -7
    
    20 September 2021 16: 25
    
    And to which generation do the "unparalleled" Su-57 and existing only in the model of the Su-75 belong?
    1. boriz
      
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      20 September 2021 17: 14
      
      The Su 57 meets the criteria of the 5th generation. Su 75 exists in the layout. Flies - we'll see.
      About the F 35 - that's not even my opinion. About 3 or 4 years ago, the diagnosis was made by specialists from the Ministry of Defense of Australia, when Australia was thrown on time with the F 35 and they wondered how much they needed this good.
      As for the F 35 B and C, they have not been flying supersonic since the spring of last year and will never fly.
      1. Binder
        
        -4
        
        20 September 2021 17: 25
        
        Quote: boriz
        Su 75 exists in the layout. Flies - we'll see.
        
        If it flies like the Su-57 flies, we won't see it.
        
        boriz
        
        0
        
        20 September 2021 17: 25
        
        There is nothing about the Su 57 in the post.
      2. guleg
        
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        20 September 2021 19: 53
        
        Quote: boriz
        As for the F 35 B and C, they have not been flying supersonic since the spring of last year and will never fly.
        
        yes you are also Nostradamus! Only for some reason always not even a finger to the sky ... Airplanes with liters B and C have time restrictions of peacetime... Which, in a special situation or in times of war, of course, no one will observe.
        
        Quote: boriz
        About the F 35 - that's not even my opinion. About 3 or 4 years ago, the diagnosis was made by specialists from the Ministry of Defense of Australia, when Australia was thrown on time with F 35
        
        Australia abandoned the Lockheed Martin creation for entirely different reasons. The timing has absolutely nothing to do with it. Canberra needs a fighter with limited strike capabilities, not the other way around. They asked for the F-22, but were refused - the Raptor is banned for export at the legislative level.
        
        boriz
        
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        22 September 2021 23: 39
        
        https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/flying-supersonic-speeds-causing-f-35-big-problems-193966
        This is about time constraints, you are our expert.
      3. guleg
        
        -4
        
        20 September 2021 20: 31
        
        Quote: boriz
        Su 57 meets the criteria of the 5th generation
        
        How much do you know about the Su-57? Can you give a list of shortcomings, shortcomings and inconsistencies similar to the F-35 program? Or do you think that they do not exist?
        
        Are you familiar with survivor bias theory? Apparently not. Read, just your case (at least here: https://habr.com/ru/post/443790/) This is when erroneous conclusions made in relation to a group are made due to the wrong selection to this group. You know a lot about the F-35, but you don’t know anything about the Su-57 (except for the most general and streamlined phrases, and those that are exclusively like oil on the soul of an urrya patriet). Those. you know a lot about one group, nothing about the other, but make judgments. In that case, you would have been given a stake in higher mathematics. And logically - too.
        
        boriz
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 24
        
        How much do you know about the Su-57? Can you give a list of shortcomings, shortcomings and inconsistencies similar to the F-35 program? Or do you think that they do not exist?
        
        I believe that ours are smart enough not to replicate a crude plane in the hundreds.
        
        guleg
        
        -3
        
        20 September 2021 21: 35
        
        Quote: boriz
        I believe
        
        this is your personal opinion. I believe that this information is closed and not advertised. For any aircraft at the stage of formation has a whole heap of problems, they simply cannot but have. As an example to you, even the legendary MiG-21, its accident rate in the first couples just went off scale, as well as the lists of shortcomings and imperfections that the OKB and industry were ordered to eliminate. I generally keep quiet about the Tu-22. As well as about the Su-24. Naturally, we know this only now, from the historiography of the aircraft, then they did not write about this in newspapers and magazines. As now, they do not write about the PAK FA and other Russian aircraft. You just don't know anything about them.
        Above was a reference to theory. Try to master.
        
        This means that you cannot bring anything to prove.
        
        boriz
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 42
        
        MiG 21, Tu 22, Su 24 ...
        And nothing that it was another country? Which, in part, because of this, fell apart. Half a century has passed since then. The money began to be counted.
        
        guleg
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 52
        
        Complete nonsense. Just in the USSR they did the right thing.
        If the information was not closed, then it would be possible to find reports of the same UAC or Sukhoi, such as: 121 deficiencies of group I, 250 deficiencies of group II were identified, 315 of them were eliminated, the rest will be eliminated in the 3rd quarter of XXXX, and more We do not consider 15 shortcomings critical and we propose to admit the car to serial production. There is nothing, everything is closed. Or rather. infa is only for those who are supposed to know. I myself worked in the design bureau of a defense plant and I know how thick the manuscripts with comments are written by testers on new machines. And rightly so - the more they found. the more eliminated
        
        You don't know any of this. Your only source is the press.
        
        How can you judge something without completeness of information?
        
        But there are some sores that are not calculated on tests.. They can only be shown by real practice of operation in active parts.... Therefore, the car is sent "to the army" for controlled operation. During which she is watched by representatives from the design bureau and industry. And they are gradually making changes to serial products.... so, the sooner the equipment falls into the hands of those who will actually operate it, the sooner the car will be put in order... In this case, the Americans are doing the right thing, as they did in the USSR. Therefore, your conclusions are that the longer the testers ride the car and do not give it to the parts - wrong... You are simply not familiar with the actual setting of putting the product into operation, judge it as a dilettante, moreover a rude and aggressive dilettante, from ignorance, and therefore from breaking the template.
        
        boriz
        
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        20 September 2021 22: 03
        
        Brad.
        Now the Russian Federation does not have a close prospect of a big war. Therefore, there is no need to chase the quantity.
        And so far, it seems, no decision has been made on which Su 57 will be more, single or double. And the engine, unfortunately, lags behind. What's the point of throwing money into unfinished cars? It is the Yankees who need to master the budget while they snatched the money. So they rivet their misunderstandings by the hundreds.
        
        guleg
        
        -3
        
        20 September 2021 22: 11
        
        And someone else was interested
        
        Quote: boriz
        Do you understand Russian?
        
        Once again, for those who are in the tank: the later and the smaller the number of vehicles in the active parts, the longer the process of its fine-tuning will be. And in the end, everything will turn out more expensive.
        
        Moreover, it will slow down further work of the design bureau. you know. that KB always works for the future? We did not manage to put into service one. on drawing boards (now on computers, of course), the next generation machine is already being created. Just to create it, you need to know the flaws of the previous one, so as not to "transfer" them from one machine to another.
        
        In general, the summary is this: alas, you just a terry dilettante who not only knows little, but also does not seek to learn. You are not at all interested in having an idea of the real state of affairs. Because they are politically extremely biased.
        
        PS budgets "master" not only over a puddle, we also have the same scale. That's not interesting to you either, is it?
        
        Hundreds of PPS are not replicated only because the fine-tuning process was extremely delayed, and there is simply no money for this (for hundreds of cars).
        
        boriz
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 22: 39
        
        Once again, for those who are in the tank: the later and the smaller the number of vehicles in the active parts, the longer the process of its fine-tuning will be. And in the end, everything will turn out more expensive.
        
        More expensive than the F 35? Are you seriously?
        Ten years later, after the start of the tests, 10 aircraft were riveted, after which they found that 3 of them would never fly faster than Mach 500, not to mention other shortcomings, the number under 900? And these are just the ones that are officially lit up?
        It's a pity to upset you, but I started working in defense enterprises in 1979. And he started as a designer. So I know the work of the design bureau not by hearsay. Our products were much cheaper than airplanes, but hundreds of them were not produced at once. Making corrections was much easier, though. Even under the USSR.
        
        guleg
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 23: 18
        
        Quote: boriz
        More expensive than
        
        more expensive than it could have been with a normal formulation of the question. Did I say something for the F-35?
        
        Quote: boriz
        riveted 3 aircraft, after which they found that 500 of them would never fly faster than Mach 900
        
        Where do you get such numbers from? A total of 35 F-690s were produced.
        
        Quote: boriz
        I started working at defense enterprises in 1979.
        
        it seems that you did not work there at all. For carrying what you carry is possible only if you are completely out of topic.
  2. guleg
    
    -6
    
    20 September 2021 19: 50
    
    Quote: boriz
    It should be borne in mind that fighters
    F 35A - aircraft of the 3rd generation,
    F 35B and F 35C - 1st generation.
    
    the Great Connoisseur in the 5th generation is immediately visible!
    
    Quote: boriz
    In terms of speed, they do not go beyond the specified generations
    
    what are you talking about! Well, then the Su-75, which does not exist yet, also does not go beyond this generation. The unregulated air intake does not allow reaching speeds of more than Mach 1,8 (which is approximately equal to the maximum speed of the F-35) - which was announced at the premiere.
    In general, it is very "professional" to pull out one indicator and judge by it. Do you know the parable of the elephant? So you, as one of the six blind men - hold by the trunk and try to judge the whole.
    
    However, you have repeatedly deigned to show your unprofessionalism to the world both in publications and in comments.
    1. boriz
      
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      20 September 2021 20: 51
      
      I did not write anything about the Su 75.
      Only no confirmations
      Here's a read if the letters are familiar to come across. http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-081109-1.html
      1. guleg
        
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        20 September 2021 20: 56
        
        Quote: boriz
        I did not write anything about the Su 75.
        
        when there is nothing to say in essence.
        
        The Su-75 is given as an example for you because, as a promising 5th generation aircraft (which you have no doubt about, of course), its speed is also not great. Judging only by speed, what generation do we include?
        
        boriz
        
        -1
        
        20 September 2021 21: 13
        
        Have you mastered the post on the link?
        
        guleg
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 16
        
        will there be an answer to my question?
        
        boriz
        
        -1
        
        20 September 2021 21: 25
        
        Means not mastered.
        
        guleg
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 29
        
        does it mean that you cannot compose an answer to a simple question?
        
        Quote: Phantom
        The Su-75 is given to you as an example because, as a promising aircraft, its speed is also not great. Judging only by speed, what generation do we include?
        
        What then to talk to you about? Again, the opponent has merged.
        
        boriz
        
        -1
        
        20 September 2021 21: 33
        
        I see no reason to discuss the layout.
        The next layout will be equipped with an adjustable air intake. Are you going to sue Sukhoi KB for false information?
        
        guleg
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 40
        
        Quote: boriz
        The next layout will have an adjustable
        
        Nobody and nothing prevents anyone from discussing the layout, which, by the way, high officials named not a layout, but a prototype... Those. it contains all the design solutions that will be incorporated into a real aircraft.
        And in general it is justified to have an unregulated one. It is much simpler and cheaper, because the plane is positioned as cheap. And its speed will not be great in relation to the cars of the 4th generation.
        If you are unable to give the answer because it goes against your erroneous statements. have the courage to admit it.
        
        boriz
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 46
        
        Do you understand Russian?
        I do not intend to discuss the details of what does not fly.
        This is a concept. Will fly - we will see what the designer wanted.
        
        guleg
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 21: 55
        
        Quote: boriz
        I do not intend to discuss the details of what does not fly.
        
        well, well ..) Ok, I'll save this statement of yours, so that on occasion I can poke you into it. I am sure the case will be presented very soon.
        
        boriz
        
        -2
        
        20 September 2021 22: 46
        
        Poke into my statement that I do not intend to discuss some issue?
        Do you yourself understand what you wrote?
        You have delusions of grandeur, it seems to you that everyone should do what you tell.
        This is ridiculous.
        
        guleg
        
        -3
        
        20 September 2021 23: 12
        
        Quote: boriz
        Poke into my statement that I do not intend to discuss some issue?
        
        To poke you into a discussion of something that does not really exist, available only in the form of drawings, layouts and other things.
        
        Quote: Phantom
        I do not intend discuss the details of what doesn't fly.
        
        well, well ..) Ok, I I will save this your statement, so that on occasion I will poke you into it.
        
        You sin with this, the case will be presented very soon)
        
        Quote: boriz
        This is ridiculous
        
        if I were you, I would not laugh, but become thoughtful.
        
        boriz
        
        -1
        
        20 September 2021 23: 34
        
        In my place, I myself will figure out what to do.
        
        The comment was deleted.
2. Dmitry Chernov
  
  +2
  
  20 September 2021 15: 38
  
  The State of Israel, in principle, cannot be called successful, because there is practically no independent development and achievements. All success - with the help of US handouts to fend off the Arabs, and when the support ends - to scatter around the world as it was before? The peremog is not great. In Israel, the standard of living is about the same as in the Czech Republic / Poland, and maybe even lower if we look at the income / expenses of citizens. Gathered in a small square, millions of Jews, but no sense. In general, read the textbook of the Higher School of the Central Committee "Jewish Question" (if you can find this masterpiece) and you will understand a lot about Jews - the people are so-so in terms of talents and prospects.
  1. Binder
    
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    20 September 2021 16: 32
    
    Quote: Dmitry Chernov
    In Israel, the standard of living is about the same as in the Czech Republic / Poland, and maybe even lower
    
    In terms of GDP per capita, Israel is now ahead of the UK, France and Japan.
    
    Quote: Dmitry Chernov
    In general, read the textbook of the Higher School of the Central Committee "Jewish Question" (if you manage to find this masterpiece) and you will understand a lot about Jews - the people are so-so in terms of talents and prospects.
    
    A dubious source of objective information if we bear in mind that the USSR, led by the same Central Committee, died in agony three decades ago, and the standard of living of Russians is about the same as in Gabon / Bangladesh.
    1. Dmitry Chernov
      
      0
      
      20 September 2021 16: 55
      
      No, I’m right, you’re a little tough because of your nationality: I’m talking to him about the standard of living - he’s talking to me about the GDP and about "he himself."
      For the hard: the standard of living is the purchasing power relative to the average income (this is to make it easier), your GDP (and even per "capita" of the population) is a subject of simple manipulations of the level of primary school. As in the United States - the lion's share is made up of unintelligible "services". Who needs your "services" besides yourself? And you owe the deceased USSR at least the fact that several million of your ancestors did not go through the Nazi meat grinder of the camps, etc. Therefore, through the grave of your life, you should be grateful to this very USSR (by the way, who if not the Jews were mass champions of communism and constituted the majority in the first leadership of the USSR ?!).
      The standard of living of Russians is very different, but on average, of course, Bangladesh and Gabon are also higher.
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      2. Binder
        
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        21 September 2021 05: 48
        
        Quote: Dmitry Chernov
        No, I’m right, you are a bit tight because of your nationality.
        
        Obviously, apart from insults based on ethnicity, you have nothing to answer. The content of the commentary is complete nonsense and outright anti-Semitism.
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3. Stanislav Bykov
  
  -1
  
  20 September 2021 21: 40
  
  ... widely advertised, "unparalleled" Su-57 exists in a single copy
  
  Starting next year, 12 aircraft will be delivered to the Aerospace Forces, so it won't be long for you with your wretched training manual and mantras about a single aircraft ...
  1. Binder
    
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    21 September 2021 05: 44
    
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    Starting next year, 12 aircraft will be delivered to the Aerospace Forces.
    
    Homeric laughter.
Netyn

+1

19 September 2021 22: 36

Quote: Bindyuzhnik
fifth generation fighters

Well, it is worth noting that the USA itself has only 5 fighters of the 195th generation, of which 187 are serial
And about F35 - what about the remaining 1000+ drawbacks of which about 100 are marked as lethal? And what about those flaws that are marked unfixable in the Pentagon's report to Congress?
Dmitry Chernov

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20 September 2021 15: 40

The F-35 is a very interesting aircraft, but in general it does not justify either the investment or the tasks.
However, the USA is working on it and sooner or later will finish it, these guys know how to work. White.
1. Bitter
  
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  20 September 2021 22: 57
  
  ... but generally not worth the investment or the challenge.
  
  It is difficult to judge this without knowing the long-term plans for operation, modernization and the tasks that will be assigned to this machine in the future. It seems that some of the nuances are classified and will remain so for a long time.