Why are Russian planes extinguishing burning Turkey and not the Russian taiga?

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One of the hottest topics of recent weeks has been the large-scale fires raging in Turkey. Forests are burning, cities are burning, tourist attractions are burning. Our compatriots, who were in Turkish resorts on the "last minute" voucher, are photographed against the background of columns of smoke. But in the same way, forests are burning in Yakutia right now, and Russian Be-200 amphibious aircraft flew to extinguish fires in Turkey. Perhaps it was worth first putting out our taiga, and only then helping the "sultan"? Why are the priorities so strange, let's figure it out.

Indeed, you cannot envy the Turkish people today. In this country, two dozen cities have already been damaged by fire, forests are engulfed in fires. There are human casualties among the local population. Damage to business and Turkish economics it has yet to be calculated, but it will obviously be very significant, and therefore in Ankara they are intensely looking for the guilty. First, it was about the abnormal heat at 40 degrees Celsius and low humidity, which contributed to the fires and the spread of fire. But now it is reported that the Children of Fire, a terrorist organization affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers' Party, has claimed responsibility for the deliberate arson:



Children of Fire take responsibility for sabotage in the tourist regions of Turkey.

The Turkish newspaper Yeni Şafak wrote about this, and President Erdogan promised to "rip out the hearts" of the arsonists. The press is replete with headlines that the irreconcilable opposition is so trying to "rock the galley", showing the inability of the authorities to cope with the consequences of either an emergency or terrorist attacks. Moscow sent Be-200 fire-fighting amphibious aircraft, Il-76 fire-fighting aircraft with a water intake of 40 tons and three Mi-8 fire-fighting helicopters to help the Sultan, which help with extinguishing. And everything would be fine, but terrible forest fires are currently raging in Russia, where this specialized technique might come in handy too.





Abnormal heat and dryness also created all the prerequisites for a large-scale natural disaster not only in Turkey, but also in Yakutia. In the absence of precipitation, the taiga dried up, dry thunderstorms set fire to swamps and peat bogs. More than a million hectares of forest are on fire. Smoke from forest fires covered Yakutsk like fog and reached the shores of Lake Baikal. Normal navigation on the rivers is disrupted, air traffic is periodically interrupted.


Two thousand people are trying to fight the fire, they dig special ditches and carry out a counter annealing. Since heavy equipment cannot be delivered to difficult terrain, rescuers and firefighters have to do everything manually. Everyone is working to the limit of human capabilities and waiting for the rains. And against the backdrop of this annual Russian drama, Moscow is sending fire planes and helicopters to Turkey. In the domestic blogosphere, such a decision caused, in general, a negative reaction, to which the head of the State Duma Committee on Ecology and Environmental Protection Vladimir Burmatov was forced to answer the following:

It is clear that now those who are fighting fires in Yakutia, Karelia and other regions are really working to the limit of their capabilities, but there are now a large number of our citizens in Turkey. We sent one plane to help protect our citizens. This is not only a noble gesture from the point of view policy, this is a pragmatic gesture in terms of saving our people. Do you want one of our citizens to die there?

In fact, the people's choice, of course, exaggerates a little. The resort areas, where our compatriots prefer to rest, are located on the coast, and there tourists are in maximum safety. If the situation there were so critical, then it would be more expedient not to send fire planes, but to evacuate by passenger flights. Since such explanations were unconvincing, new ones followed. Allegedly, in Yakutia, Be-200 amphibious aircraft have nowhere to land and refuel, but in Turkey - that's it. It also sounds rather strange, for it is not clear where the great Siberian rivers suddenly disappeared. So the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, apparently, is not aware that there is nowhere to refuel with water to extinguish Be-200ES fires, since the head of the department sent two amphibious aircraft to Siberia:

In connection with the deterioration of the situation with natural fires in Yakutia, by the decision of the head of the EMERCOM of Russia Yevgeny Zinichev, an aircraft from the Krasnoyarsk Integrated Aviation Rescue Center will arrive in Mirny within XNUMX hours, and the second aircraft of the Southern Aviation Rescue Center is expected to arrive from Rostov-on. -Don.

By the way, fire-fighting Il-76 and Mi-8 helicopters are generally flooded with water right on the ground, they do not need rivers, lakes or seas for this. So, we can come to the conclusion that there is no other intelligible explanation other than the desire to make a "beautiful political gesture" in the decision to send special fire-fighting aircraft to Turkey. But in relation to the Russian taiga, all this looks very ugly.

The fact is that the problem of giant forest fires, which are getting worse from year to year, is a direct consequence of the adoption in 2007 of the Forest Code. This document de facto destroyed the quite effective and efficient unified federal system of the Forestry Guard, where tens of thousands of foresters worked, each in his own area. Yes, the forests were on fire even then, but before that, constant monitoring of the situation was carried out, preventive felling was carried out, there was a serious material and technical base for extinguishing. The scale of the natural disaster was much smaller and could really be dealt with. Now, the care of the forest is left at the mercy of “effective owners” and equally “effective tenants”, as well as regions that simply cannot ensure proper control over their forestry and what is happening there. It got to the point that now it is allowed not even to react to some categories of fires if it is considered that the costs of extinguishing will be higher than the cost of the damage caused. Lived.

Strictly speaking, what are we all about. It is necessary to restore a single centralized Forest Guard service at the federal level, providing it with a sufficient material and technical base and funding. This will help to gradually take control of the situation with our taiga, in which millions of hectares of forest are burned annually, thus reducing the scale of the disaster. And when we will be able to quickly extinguish all significant fires with the help of the Be-200 and Il-76, then let us send free planes to help our "Turkish friends". And then somehow it turns out ugly.
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  1. +8
    2 August 2021 17: 16
    Why are Russian planes extinguishing burning Turkey and not the Russian taiga?

    Because the sultan pays the currency, and in Russia you need to work for free. If my memory serves me correctly, our private business and personal gain are progressing.
  2. -7
    2 August 2021 17: 40
    Because there people are dying, but here "only" "firewood" is burning.
    1. -4
      2 August 2021 20: 04
      ORENBURG, 2 Aug - RIA Novosti. Il-76 aircraft flew from the Tver and Pskov regions to help extinguish forest fires in the Orenburg region, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

      but shit on the fan is more interesting to throw?
  3. +10
    2 August 2021 17: 42
    Loot wins, no wonder. By the way, as a fireman in the taiga, it will be possible to write off a leftist sold to China.
  4. +3
    2 August 2021 18: 26
    How sad it is! I think that in Turkey, apart from money, there is also a property interest.
  5. 123
    0
    2 August 2021 20: 33
    Everything will be fine. The code has already been printed out and will be handed to everyone personally. The fires will stop immediately, the taiga will not dare to burn anymore.



    1. +5
      2 August 2021 22: 24
      Quote: 123
      taiga will not dare to burn anymore.

      hi
      Will receive an order from the Central Committee of "United Russia" and stop burning. smile
      To fight the fires in Turkey, Russia has allocated five Il-76 aircraft, three Be-200 and three Mi-8 helicopters.
      At 2.08.21.
      In Yakutia, there are six aircraft of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, which will be involved in the Khangalassky and Suntarsky regions
      On 2.08.21
      Today they promised to send 2 more aircraft ..
      There is no point in comparing the areas of fire!
      1. 123
        0
        3 August 2021 09: 27
        Will receive an order from the Central Committee of "United Russia" and stop burning.

        Of course not, the new code will read and stop laughing
        I mean that no code can solve the problem. Do not put a forester with a bucket of water under each tree. And as for the Central Committee "United Russia", you are passing by ... was not noticed in connections with the organization request

        At 2.08.21.
        In Yakutia, there are six aircraft of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, which will be involved in the Khangalassky and Suntarsky regions
        On 2.08.21

        "12 aircraft" were sent to Yakutia, including 3 Be-200
        http://www.wood.ru/ru/lonewsid-88556.html



        The head of Yakutia speaks about 13 aircraft of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Defense. Tellingly, at the meeting he does not ask for aviation, he needs a tractor. And apparently this is not at all accidental.
        The IL-76 water-filled aircraft device holds 42 tons of water. The Be-200 takes 12 tons on board. As far as I understand, the edge of a forest fire is being poured from the plane. In one run, the Il-76 spreads its 40 tons over a distance of less than a kilometer, somewhere between 700-800 m, respectively, the Be-200 is even less.
        If you compare with the "front of work"

        The largest area of ​​fires is observed in Yakutia - 669 thousand hectares (2 AUG, 04:01)

        In my opinion, it becomes clear that the use of aviation is of a point or local nature, the bulk of fires are extinguished by completely different methods. Plowing, oncoming fire, somewhere corny on foot with knapsacks behind your back and a "sprinkler".
        Unfortunately, they do not report to me how and on what basis the decision to send aircraft to Turkey was made. request I can only guess. For example...

        Today Russia has only six Be-200 aircraft (four were transferred to the Russian Emergencies Ministry, two experimental aircraft are owned by the Beriev Aircraft Company).

        https://uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/special/be-200/

        Maybe the data is a little outdated, I don’t think that much. I mean that a new PD-8 engine is on the way, hence the resumption or expansion of the Be-200 production. Such business trips are a good advertisement for an airplane.
        And the fleet of such aircraft should be expanded, probably export (possibly to the same Turkey) in the future will increase the series and, accordingly, reduce the cost of production. The plane is that specific, such large batches are not produced.
        Well, it would probably be nice to increase the fleet of aircraft with equipment that makes it rain. It is more effective than carrying water with "cans". In my opinion, he is only one or two.
        Here's a picture like this ...
        And all these tales that we do not extinguish, do not feel sorry for their own, only the Turks are helped, it's just a cheap HYIP. We will be told that the forest code is urgently needed, it is best for them to put out fires, here Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Platoshkin, who else is there ... (emphasize the necessary) the code will be accepted instantly and the taiga will stop burning. And they will not send an airplane to the evil Erdogan, they will water all of their own people, each citizen will have 40 tons of water for the garden. fellow
        Something like this hi
        1. 0
          3 August 2021 11: 43
          Quote: 123
          I mean that a new PD-8 engine is on the way, hence the resumption or expansion of the Be-200 production.

          This "approach" can take three years, if one is optimistic. In May of this year, the PD 8 gas generator was assembled and installed on a test bench. During the first stage of testing, the specialists successfully worked out starting the engine and operating at maximum mode. In 2022, tests of the power supply system for the PD-8 engine will begin.
          The dvigun itself is not yet in nature, it is expected at the end of the 22nd. Accordingly, certification and the start of production are scheduled for 2023-2024. If there is no progress to the right.
          Competitors in the face of Canadians and Chinese do not sleep!


          (gas generator tests)

          the use of aviation is of a point or local nature, the bulk of fires are extinguished by completely different methods. Plowing, oncoming fire, somewhere corny on foot with knapsacks behind your back and a "sprinkler".

          The point character is good for Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, and with our areas and the scale of fires (660 thousand hectares), aviation does the main work. It is problematic to deliver the equipment in the required quantity to Yakutia, and I think there is a problem with the "squirt". smile
          There are enough forces to localize and not "let" the fire to populated areas, the rest burns out.

          Quote: 123
          only the Turks are helped, it's just a cheap hype.

          I completely agree with this! hi
          1. 123
            -1
            3 August 2021 14: 33
            This "approach" can take three years, if one is optimistic. In May of this year, the PD 8 gas generator was assembled and installed on a test bench. During the first stage of testing, the specialists successfully worked out starting the engine and operating at maximum mode. In 2022, tests of the power supply system for the PD-8 engine will begin.
            The dvigun itself is not yet in nature, it is expected at the end of the 22nd. Accordingly, certification and the start of production are scheduled for 2023-2024.

            Yes Yes So, for example, a new fighter was shown, but it is not ready yet. They give time "to think", create a positive public opinion.
            I suppose there should not be a delay in the creation of the engine, because this is essentially a reduced copy of the PD-14.

            Competitors in the face of Canadians and Chinese do not sleep!

            What are their competitors to us? We need our own engine. Ministry of Emergencies and Emergencies are not interested in other people's engines. Since the aircraft will not be riveted in hundreds, it makes little sense to certify with an alternative engine.

            The point character is good for Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, and with our areas and the scale of fires (660 thousand hectares), aviation does the main work. It is problematic to deliver the equipment in the required quantity to Yakutia, and I think there is a problem with the "squirt".
            There are enough forces to localize and not "let" the fire to populated areas, the rest burns out.

            What is the main one? A hectare is 100x100 meters, respectively 660 hectares is a square with sides of 000 thousand km. if we divide this by 66 meters (000) we get 800 "hits on the target". This is to process the "edge". Suppose the pilots are robots and do not get tired, say 0,8 sorties per day (which is unlikely) and 82 aircraft (also unlikely), then they will need 500 days to "spray" the perimeter of the square, that is, more than 10 years. And given that the focus is not one and its borders are not straight, the distance "slightly" increases fellow well, and the required time, respectively. Maybe I miscalculated something of course (maybe I missed a zero), but the order of the numbers is about the following. I don't feel like the main contribution request
            But about the technique and "squirt" I completely agree with you Yes The task is not easy. hi
            1. +1
              8 August 2021 02: 42
              Pull out my eyes, what a calculation I just saw. A square with dimensions of 66 km ??? Do you know the length of the equator? Dozens of Eurasias will fit into your square, dozens !!! In reality, it is a square with side lengths less than 000 km.
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              2. 123
                -1
                8 August 2021 14: 29
                Pull out my eyes, what a calculation I just saw. A square with dimensions of 66 km ??? Do you know the length of the equator? Dozens of Eurasias will fit into your square, dozens !!! In reality, it is a square with side lengths less than 000 km.

                I completely agree with you, the sizes are still the same Yes
                The calculation is solely to demonstrate the scale, in reality the figure naturally differs, and in a larger direction. This is the lower limit, so to speak ...

                A hectare is a square with sides of 100x100 m, respectively, at a square of 66 hectares, a side of 000 meters or 66000000 km.

                And given that the focus is not one and its borders are not straight, the distance "slightly" increases

                If you have a more reliable method for calculating the perimeter of an unknown number of fire centers with outlines of irregular geometric shapes with an area of ​​660 thousand hectares. please share Yes It would be very curious to see laughing
                I hope you remember about the coastline paradox? Results vary greatly from scale smile
                We will leave the eye in place, it will still be useful to you. hi
                1. 0
                  8 August 2021 15: 57
                  You are not familiar with mathematics, apparently very well. A hectare is 100 * 100 meters, 1 square kilometer is 100 hectares. In 660 hectares there are 000 sq. Km. The square root of 6600 is slightly more than 6600. In total, we have a square of 80 * 80 km, and not as your side is 80 thousand km. This is 66 times more than the entire land mass on the planet, together with Antarctica. (and the penguins do not even know that they also have a fireman) But you do not stop, disgrace yourself to the end.
                  1. 123
                    -1
                    8 August 2021 17: 15
                    A hectare is 100 * 100 meters, 1 square kilometer is 100 hectares. In 660 hectares there are 000 sq. Km. The square root of 6600 is slightly more than 6600. In total, we have a square of 80 * 80 km, and not like you have 80 thousand square kilometers.

                    You are absolutely right, I went to the wrong steppe. Yes The head was not busy with that what Giganotomania turned out fellow Thank you for correcting. hi The area of ​​the square is 6 600 sq. km., respectively, the side is 81 km, the perimeter is approximately 324 km.
                    I did not pretend to be accurate ...

                    Maybe I miscalculated something of course (maybe I missed a zero), but the order of the numbers is about the following. On the main contribution, in my opinion, does not pull

                    My calculations were intended to show that the contribution of aviation is not the main one. IL-76 floods for a flight no more than 800 meters., Ten aircraft 8 km. In total, if the perimeter is 324 km, then they will need 400 flights, 40 each.
                    But if you count the square, in fact there are many foci, each has its own perimeter, let's say there are 10, the area is 10 squares of 660 sq. km, each side is 25,6 km, the perimeter is more than 100 km. In total, the perimeter of 10 foci is more than 1 km.
                    As before, the Il-76 floods no more than 800 meters per flight, ten aircraft 8 km. Total 1250 sorties ... or 125 per plane hi
                    And if there are 20, 30, 40 foci ...?. It is still impossible to calculate exactly.
                    Look, maybe I was wrong again in something, there is no desire to go deeper into the calculations laughing But the conclusion remains the same, the contribution of aviation is not the main one. hi
                    1. +1
                      8 August 2021 23: 26
                      I apologize for the possibly excessive sharpness, I just got a little pissed off from the numbers
        2. +2
          5 August 2021 00: 35
          I'm surprised that the author did not delete your message, and did not ignore you. laughing destroyed the idea of ​​the article
    2. 0
      3 August 2021 14: 45
      laughing Amused, colleague. Yes, they have not yet reached the idea of ​​legally prohibiting forest fires on the territory of the Russian Federation. But the idea is in the air and will soon be seized. Here we live !!!!!
      1. 123
        0
        3 August 2021 16: 39
        Amused, colleague. Yes, they have not yet reached the idea of ​​legally prohibiting forest fires on the territory of the Russian Federation. But the idea is in the air and will soon be seized. Here we live !!!!!

        What are you, I have no time for jokes sad It is clearly written, the whole point is in the code, as they will accept, everything will change radically. Yes It's time for the sturgeon spawning to take a decree laughing
        1. +1
          4 August 2021 11: 26
          The question here is that according to the old Code, until 2007 the intensity of fires was less. And besides that, does the country seem to want to populate the endless expanses of Siberia and the Far East? Now, if instead of 1 forester, 10 foresters with families appear again, then it will be at least small, but a plus in the development of Siberia and the Far East.
          1. 123
            0
            4 August 2021 12: 48
            The question here is that according to the old Code, until 2007 the intensity of fires was less.

            I have some doubts about this. I would like to see the statistics.
            For example, "environmentalists" were "enemies" about ten years ago, they drew such figwams ... Pay attention to the year 2002. This is until 2007.


            Anyway, they wrote interesting things, do not be lazy, read the link. Quite curious. Yes
            https://wwf.ru/upload/iblock/225/03-_18_.pdf

            This link also has something to see. Yes About forest fires somewhere in the middle begins. There and about the calculation methodology on the example of 2019.

            According to Avialesokhrana, as of September 18, the forest area covered by fire in Russia since the beginning of the year amounted to almost 10 million hectares. Smog from fires in the summer covered the large cities of Siberia and reached the Urals, the Volga region and the south of Kazakhstan.
            The data is really impressive. For comparison, in Brazil from January to August 2019, 1,86 million hectares of Amazonian jungle burned down, according to the country's National Space Research Institute. In Canada for the same period - 1,7 million hectares, in the United States - 1,3 million hectares, according to the forest services of the countries ...
            For an objective assessment of the situation, professionals operate with two concepts. The first is the frequency of forest fires, that is, the number of cases per unit area. The second is burning, that is, the area covered by fire per unit area.
            According to data for the last 5 years, Canada ranks first in the world in terms of fire rate (3,2 hectares per 1 hectares), then the USA (2,8 hectares) and only then Russia (2,4 hectares)
            .

            By the way, I wonder how the code works between Americans and Canadians?
            There is a picture on the link and about the intensity of felling ...


            https://kpk-1.ru/obzory/statistika-lesnyh-pozharov-ofitsialnye-dannye-po-stranam.html

            And besides that, does the country seem to want to populate the endless expanses of Siberia and the Far East? Now, if instead of 1 forester, 10 foresters with families appear again, then it will be at least small, but a plus in the development of Siberia and the Far East.

            With all due respect, even if the number of foresters is increased 100 times and each has several wives, this will not significantly affect the population density of the Far East.

            Do not misunderstand me, I am not against putting things in order in the forestry industry, increasing the staff of forestry and so on, and so on, and so on ...
            I would not like to be hyped on this topic. The closer to the elections, the more people who want to tell that under Boris Nikolaevich, Leonid Ilyich, Matushka Ekaterina (underline the necessary), they only imported timber from abroad, did not cut down anything, did not sleep at night, each tree was injected with a fire retardant compound corresponding to GOST R 57270 -2016 Yes
            Something like this hi
          2. 0
            4 August 2021 14: 58
            Now, if instead of 1 forester, 10 foresters with families appear again, then it will be at least small, but a plus in the development of Siberia and the Far East.

            You have even more fun !!! Who will pay these 10 foresters if one has been cut? Nobody. It's profitable. There is no supervision over the forests, it can be cut down in a completely predatory manner and driven over the hill. And then disguise what has already been stolen with fires. In my opinion, this is how it works. If you wanted to master Siberia and the Far East, there would be a whole program about which they talked about "from every iron". Payments to migrants, tax breaks and at least minimal infrastructure: schools, hospitals (shops will appear on their own), transport. This is nothing.
            1. 0
              4 August 2021 15: 55
              Here you, Alexander, answered 123rd. - Okuda the legs can grow in fires.

              Who will pay these 10 foresters if one has been cut off? Nobody. It's profitable. There is no supervision over the forests, it can be cut down in a completely predatory manner and driven over the hill. And then disguise what has already been stolen with fires.

              Only the forester is the chief of foresters. For 1 forester, on average, 10 foresters should work.
              And about the phrase 123rd:

              With all due respect, even if the number of foresters is increased 100 times and each has several wives, this will not significantly affect the population density of the Far East.

              It can be noted that Siberia and the Far East were also developed by a small people - the Old Believers, fugitives and Cossacks, who were also not very numerous in terms of the scale of these lands. Small forts then helped a lot in the development of this region by Russia. Yes, and Ermak Timofeevich also came with a small detachment to Siberia. And then he was not thinking about the density of the population, but about the benefits of the state, which he brings, mastering Siberia. And you are talking about some kind of hype. There were no such concepts in the development of Siberia. Maybe that's why they were able to master it then?
              1. 0
                4 August 2021 17: 04
                Only the forester is the chief of foresters. For 1 forester, on average, 10 foresters should work.

                The fact that the forester is the head of foresters is in the know. It's about the foresters. Forestry is an infrastructure and without it a forester, I don’t know, an observer of forest life and that’s all. He cannot do anything in the forest. Try trailing blown trunks by hand. Well, or a horse, without equipment. And forestry is a technique, first of all.
  6. -3
    2 August 2021 21: 23
    There is a tradition in Russia - to help everyone. Even if they don't ask. And even if we ourselves do not have enough.
    In 1917, they made a mess for more than 70 years, there were plans to make everyone happy all over the world, but they did not grow together, except for the Mongols and the Chinese, no one was flattered.
    In later times, the senile elders decided to build a bright future for the Afghan savages and provide international assistance to them. Also ended in a big bunch.
    And recently, a whole landing in Italy was landed - to help the Italians cope with the covid. True, not all descendants of the Romans were delighted with this venture, but could not refuse.
    And with the anti-covid vaccine: they seemed to be stuffed wherever possible and where not needed, then the Slovaks returned it and did not say thank you. But there was not enough for Guatemala ...
    1. GRF
      -2
      3 August 2021 04: 50
      There is a tradition in Russia - to help everyone. Even if they don't ask. And even if we ourselves do not have enough.

      And Russia won't get any worse from this. Forests have burned and will burn. The main thing is to save people's lives. Whether from a fire, even from a covid, even from a terrorist. Russia helps when it feels what is needed and stops its help itself, when it feels that it is no longer needed and they will cope on their own. No thanks for that? Well, it depends on who and how. Those who received help are grateful for a long time, but they are weak and powerless, and therefore our enemies and fools sing about "bad" help, who are too lazy to study the medal from all sides ...
      1. +1
        3 August 2021 16: 19
        Russia helps when it feels what it needs ... when it feels ...

        Russia must first "feel" that it needs to somehow help its 20 million citizens living below the poverty line.
        And those who "feel" in Russia should be given a feel for how a Russian unemployed person is living on an allowance of 1500 rubles ($ 20.5) a month.
        1. GRF
          -1
          3 August 2021 19: 11
          100 rubles will not save 20 million from poverty. But they can help people escape from the fire.
  7. +1
    2 August 2021 22: 15
    I don’t think we need to speculate on this, there is politics, money, and our tourists, many of them bark instinctively and whine reflexively ..
  8. +1
    2 August 2021 22: 33
    No matter how grateful they were to shoot down a couple of planes in the end, the Turks already have this habit.
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  10. 0
    3 August 2021 21: 11
    But that was already when the Bolsheviks sent weapons and gold to Ataturk. Then they called it helping the proletariat, but now that Koschey is silent, or does he not know?
    1. -1
      3 August 2021 23: 57
      Quote: Hayer31
      But that was already when the Bolsheviks sent weapons and gold to Ataturk. Then it was called helping the proletariat

      This aid was never called "aid to the proletariat." Lenin spoke of Turkey exclusively as a country in which the national liberation movement flared up. By helping Ataturk, we helped ourselves. It was extremely important for us that the Turkish straits were not in the hands of the Entente, but in the hands of the friendly Turkish regime of Ataturk.
  11. +1
    4 August 2021 02: 49
    Yuri Vasilievich - the leadership of the country is 1000% right, it is preferable to fill your pocket !! and the taiga - to hell with it, it is folk ...
  12. +2
    4 August 2021 08: 17
    What do you mean ???? How dare you encroach on THEIR money !!!!
  13. +1
    4 August 2021 16: 39
    As they say, there is a nuance, the most effective use of aircraft when extinguishing fires, at the stage when the fire just happened, and not when tens and hundreds of thousands of hectares are burning. For this, there was a forest protection system, which included, among other things, a staff who did not only care for forests and maintain forest shelter belts, but also simply monitored for fire. People were cut off, and monitoring from the satellite constellation, as the Chinese are now doing, is not well established. In general, a cross between gullibility and selfish interests, with proper monitoring, and black felling will be visible.
  14. 0
    4 August 2021 22: 55
    because Russian planes extinguish burning Turkey for WOMEN!
  15. +1
    5 August 2021 07: 24
    When extinguishing forest fires, they have already forgotten the old-fashioned methods. This is both felling and the creation of cutting areas. They are extinguished at the bottom, although the fire always consumes a large area at the top.
  16. +1
    5 August 2021 07: 59
    The day before yesterday, the planes in Yakutia did not extinguish anything, due to the smoke of the airfield, yesterday an engineering company of the Ministry of Defense arrived in Yakutia, the other day a piece of hardware will come up. Well, in addition, in about a week our summer will end and it will rain and this company will no longer be needed, today there is a slight haze from fires in Yakutsk
  17. 0
    6 August 2021 12: 47
    Because the current elite does not need Russia, they need loot that can be siphoned off from Russia.
  18. +1
    7 August 2021 22: 02
    Just a slobber, a weakling and a mumbler sits in the Kremlin, which Erdogan aki a propeller turns on his ..
  19. +1
    7 August 2021 22: 09
    Erdogan helps the enemies of Russia to kill Russians with weapons, kills our soldiers and the ambassador, Putin builds a nuclear power plant for him and helps extinguish fires, while in Siberia millions of hectares of taiga ecosystem burns out, cities suffocate from smoke, navigation on rivers is interrupted .. I wonder who then Putin and do the Yakuts agree to such a leadership from Moscow ...
  20. +2
    9 August 2021 03: 51
    Nobody forces our citizens to go to Turkey. They go, let them be responsible for their life and health themselves and send all claims to the Turkish authorities. Aircraft should solve problems in the Russian Federation, not in NATO's Turkey
  21. 0
    9 August 2021 15: 10
    Because before there was a Tatar-Mongol yoke, then serf slaves, and all this cannot be eradicated from the heads of Russians because now they are in such a moral slavery and are forced to justify themselves feeling their guilt in everything !!!!
    The pilots would say that we will not eat to extinguish Turkey when Yakutia is on fire, the slaves of Chabad Jews who have settled in the Kremlin and wake up !!!! But there is not a single objection !!! Behave yourself the KGB officers who guarded the Belovezhskaya meeting of the separatists, having arrested three conspirators, traitors and it would be different now !!!!!
  22. 0
    13 September 2021 20: 51
    because we are ruled by Barygi, without honor and conscience ...