Political scientist: "Nord Stream-2" will cost Ukraine its statehood

4 2021 June 39

The Europeans, who have concluded an agreement with Moscow on the construction of Nord Stream 2, believe that it is unsafe to transport gas through Ukraine, as it will remain an unstable “gray” territory for a long time. This opinion was expressed by political scientist Ruslan Bortnik in an interview with the Internet channel "Capital".

The West makes it clear that Ukraine in its eyes for decades will be a country in which it is impossible to implement such large-scale projects due to its political and economic inconstancy. Predictable gas transit through Ukraine is impossible, and other ways to ensure Europe's energy security must be sought.

To some extent, this Nord Stream 2 is political the verdict of the first instance of the entire Ukrainian statehood, our entire model of governance

- noted Bortnik.

The expert emphasized that European politicians operate with a longer time frame than Ukrainians - they think decades ahead. Thus, Ukraine is not considered part of the Western world either now or in the future.

Meanwhile, Kiev thinks differently. Ukrainian Ambassador to Berlin Andriy Melnyk previously expressed the desire of Ukrainian representatives to take part in the meeting of the American and German delegations on Nord Stream 2, which is taking place in Washington. The Kiev authorities fear that the fate of the Ukrainian transit will be decided behind their back, and are unsuccessfully trying to influence the situation.

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zenion

+3

4 June 2021 16: 04

Let them do everything themselves and open their mouths to what they have done. Do they really have a dream that someone will take them prisoner for life ?!
Dust

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4 June 2021 19: 42

Zelensky said

Ukraine loses from 3 billion. Transit money dollars.

It’s interesting, but Ukraine didn’t try to work?
1. Petr Vladimirovich
  
  0
  
  4 June 2021 21: 57
  
  And it never will!
2. SemVale
  
  -9
  
  4 June 2021 22: 26
  
  I tried ... then little people come without identification marks with machine guns
  and wring out the accumulated.
  How many factories from Lugansk and Donetsk have been exported to Russia? Name?
  1. boriz
    
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    4 June 2021 23: 04
    
    Better tell me, how many ships were built last year at the Nikolaev shipyards? How many artificial diamonds were produced in Poltava? How many aircraft were built on An? How many cars did Kraz make? And Bogdan? Have cartridges learned how to do it in 7 years?
    And factories are exported to Russia, because it is easier to work in the Russian jurisdiction. With specialists. When they are recognized, factories will work there as well.
    In Kerch, for some reason, the killed shipyard began to build ships.
    1. SemVale
      
      -10
      
      4 June 2021 23: 06
      
      Off topic?
      What is the topic of the article about?
      That is, we do not deny the fact of theft. Already a plus, but not ashamed. Horde, what is already there.
      Military ships of course .... Nu nu.
      1. boriz
        
        +4
        
        4 June 2021 23: 09
        
        What jumped off? Am I talking about factories?
        This is on the topic of your comment.
        
        SemVale
        
        -10
        
        4 June 2021 23: 15
        
        This is on the topic of work and its meaninglessness from the actions of a thieving and fraudulent neighbor.
        Who is not able to comply with what he himself signed.
        This is called a logical chaining.
        
        boriz
        
        +5
        
        4 June 2021 23: 22
        
        Here I am on the topic. Factories must work, people must receive wages. If you do not know how to organize - well, who is the doctor to you ... Practice your logic.
        
        SemVale
        
        -8
        
        4 June 2021 23: 25
        
        So it was Russia who came to Ukraine to teach it to organize the gray Putin-Sechin schemes? No, thanks.
        
        boriz
        
        +4
        
        4 June 2021 23: 25
        
        And who will ask you?
        
        SemVale
        
        -9
        
        4 June 2021 23: 27
        
        So what are we waiting for? To the military registration and enlistment office and to the Donbass.
        Why are chernozems good in Ukraine? A lot of amateurs came here with weapons.
        
        boriz
        
        +5
        
        4 June 2021 23: 39
        
        Do you really think that we will go there to fight? Don't even dream. In figs you need to create an industry again. You yourself are falling apart successfully.
        When it comes to the collapse of the specific principalities, they will send you looking from Russia. And you will do what they say.
        Yes, but Donetsk will be sent as watching. Those who were sitting in the basements, according to the precepts of Poroshenko. Here they will guide you! ...
        
        boriz
        
        +3
        
        5 June 2021 00: 02
        
        And it's just ridiculous to hear about the schemes from you.
        After you started to warm up with Slovak gas .
      2. boriz
        
        +4
        
        5 June 2021 12: 42
        
        Military ships of course ...
        
        And the former citizens of Ukraine do not care what ships to get their salaries for. Anything is better than putting your teeth on a shelf because of unemployment.
  2. Dear sofa expert.
    
    +2
    
    5 June 2021 01: 34
    
    How many factories from Lugansk and Donetsk have been exported to Russia? Name?
    
    First name who built these factories for you? You can, for example, start with the Luhansk iron foundry, and at the same time refresh your memory on the topic: What empire did these two cities belong to before they "miraculously" became part of Ukraine?
  3. meandr51
    
    +2
    
    5 June 2021 16: 27
    
    This is not Ukraine, but New Russia. The USSR built it all. Do you open your mouth at her?
  4. 123
    
    +2
    
    5 June 2021 21: 37
    
    I tried ... then little people come without identification marks with machine guns
    and squeeze out the accumulated
    
    You have a lot of squeezers of your own
  5. Cherry
    
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    6 June 2021 10: 35
    
    Not at all taken out. Why do we need Soviet trash? There is a heifer across the river, and a ruble ferry.))) You want to think so, feel sorry for yourself.
  6. akarfoxhound
    
    +2
    
    7 June 2021 23: 47
    
    Well, name it! Everything that you, business executives xp enovy, have been messing with in Crimea after the union is now being restored, starting from roads and ending with factories. The same largest Sevmorzavod with the largest dry dock (Nikolayevsky) in the Mediterranean has been taken away for scrap in 23 years! The dead helicopter ARZ has also received a second wind with the refurbishment of workshops.
    You and the Nikolaev shipbuilders, who once built aircraft carriers - what did you do? The rubber boats have begged the mattresses and are happy, an achievement! Ask for oars this year So jump further - something else from the barderziany besides the Crimea and Donbas will fall off
Kharkiv resident - Saltovka resident

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4 June 2021 20: 01

Quote: Dust
It’s interesting, but Ukraine didn’t try to work?

It's funny to hear from a resident of a country that lives off the fact that it DIGGES out the contents of one seventh of the land that it captured ...
And if it weren't for this "bad" money from one seventh of the land, there would be no missiles or airplanes ... because few countries can afford to "soak" tens of billions of dollars in single projects ..
Unless, of course, this money is dug out of the ground .. (which, of course, does not prevent someone from swaggering, choking on arrogance, and teaching "how to work" ... mostly neighbors ..
Although what is this efficiency? ... I think Russian cheers are patriots, and part-time rentiers, living off the wealth in the soil, are not really able to explain themselves ... By the way, I had to see how hardworking a Russian person is ... I laugh ...
1. Petr Vladimirovich
  
  +4
  
  4 June 2021 21: 59
  
  Lads ride bicycles at SNT and everyone is asked: the owner, there is a job ...
2. boriz
  
  +8
  
  4 June 2021 23: 14
  
  It's funny to hear from a resident of a country that lives off the fact that it DIGGES out the contents of one seventh of the land that it captured ...
  
  Take a closer look in the mirror. Ukraine is not digging? Coal, uranium, iron, titanium, manganese, amber ...
  You just don’t invest anything in production. 30% of the money required is allocated for the maintenance of the GTS. Gas production is falling.
  The Carpathians have already been shaved, soon the west of the country will be washed away by floods. Workers, damn it.
  All your hard workers have long been either here or in Poland.
3. Dear sofa expert.
  
  +6
  
  5 June 2021 00: 37
  
  It's funny to hear from a resident of a country that lives off the fact that it DIGGES out the contents of one seventh of the land that it captured ...
  
  Isn't it fun for you to live in a country, 5/6 of the territory of which, you were presented by a country that "Digs up the contents of one seventh of the land that it has seized ..."?
  
  Why are you not creepy that your worthless great-grandfather left you nothing but a poor heredity in the form of chicken brains?
4. 123
  
  +2
  
  5 June 2021 21: 42
  
  It's funny to hear from a resident of a country that lives off the fact that it DIGGES out the contents of one seventh of the land that it captured ...
  
  It's funny to hear from a resident of the country, which was created by those whom you reproach and, by the way, donated most of the territory.
5. Cherry
  
  +1
  
  6 June 2021 10: 40
  
  and part-time rentiers, living off the wealth in the soil, cannot really explain themselves.
  
  Will the riches be explored by themselves? Are they themselves mined and move themselves into pipes, which they themselves cast? Surprise, ignoramus! Only Gazprom employs 500000 (Five hundred thousand!) People. And how many in related industries! And why are you not poking the United States with this? They are ahead of the rest of the world not only in the purchase, but also in the sale of hydrocarbons. The country of clerks, doctors, lawyers and teachers with a mass of officials, cooks and cleaners produces little. All from China.)))
6. akarfoxhound
  
  0
  
  7 June 2021 23: 52
  
  This Barderzian was shown on TV, and now she retells her propaganda? We now have factories with factories, unlike you
Sergey Latyshev

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4 June 2021 21: 23

The last "cost of statehood" was about 3 days ago ...
So, look at the polished face and everything is clear at once ..
SemVale

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4 June 2021 22: 24

Such "experts" for a ruble per bunch at the bazaar.
Ukraine is already frozen without Russian gas. It has been freezing for 8 years.
1. boriz
  
  +8
  
  4 June 2021 23: 06
  
  You, bye, relax. The first to be disconnected from transit will not be you, but Poland. For educational purposes.
  1. SemVale
    
    -10
    
    4 June 2021 23: 17
    
    Ridiculous, breaker.
    Transit is disconnected - gas payment is disconnected. Pensions and salaries disappear.
    What are you going to eat, disconnectors?
    1. boriz
      
      +7
      
      4 June 2021 23: 21
      
      Don’t worry about us.
      The first line of SP2 (which, by the way, was completed today) will just replace Yamal - Europe. And transit will be cheaper. If Poland will sit for half a year without gas, it will dramatically grow wiser. And they won't be allowed to build their own pipe. And there is nowhere to get gas in it.
    2. Cherry
      
      +2
      
      6 June 2021 10: 29
      
      So for this, the joint venture was built so that the Ukrainians would not have benefits, and Russia did not lose anything. Megalomania does not allow?
    3. akarfoxhound
      
      +1
      
      7 June 2021 23: 55
      
      Unlike you, bare-eyed ceeuropeuys, in the Russian budget this is far from the main source of income. Did the pot give oxide?
2. Dear sofa expert.
  
  +7
  
  5 June 2021 12: 27
  
  Ukraine is already frozen without Russian gas. It has been freezing for 8 years.
  
  You haven't lived a single day without Russian gas.
3. Cherry
  
  +2
  
  6 June 2021 10: 32
  
  We haven’t lived yet. We don’t have enough of our own for our own sugrev, then where did you get it from? From Gazprom, baby, from Gazprom. And the fact that you bought it from Slovakia, it’s still in the pipe.)))
AICO

+3

5 June 2021 07: 00

Well, if statehood is built on a freebie, then yes !!!
Cherry

+1

6 June 2021 10: 27

this is a political verdict of the first instance of the entire Ukrainian statehood,

Why not?!? The United States can go anywhere without hitting it, and Russia cannot even defend itself from arrogant, evil neighbors? We can’t go to war, so we’ll take it down with a dollar!
TermNachTer

+1

7 June 2021 09: 34

One of the few adequate in Kiev.