Israel proposes "Yugoslavian option" for Syria


War-torn Syria has been ruled for years by Bashar al-Assad, a member of the Alawite minority, which makes up about 15 percent of the country's population. Through the efforts of Assad, the number of Sunnis in the SAR is decreasing. Meanwhile, in need of restoration economy lying in ruins of Syria, and Amots Asa-el from the pages of The Jerusalem Post offers his own version of the solution to the problem.


Neither Russia nor the United States wants to invest in Syria. But the situation may change for the better if the League of Arab States and the Russian Federation recognize the fact of the depravity of the presidential system of government that has developed in the SAR, when the head of state is the leader of a confessional minority. Sunnis in retaliation for the deprivation political rights will not allow to ensure the stability of internal life, and the way out of the situation may be the "Yugoslav version" of the future of Syria.

The solution must be to divide the country: an Alawite state in western Syria and a Sunni state in the east like Kosovo ... was spun off from Serbia under similar circumstances

- said the Israeli analyst.

Support for such a project can be provided by the Russian Federation and the League of Arab States, as well as the EU and the United States. Only Iran can oppose.

According to Amots Asa-el, the closeness to the "Yugoslav scenario" also lies in the fact that Yugoslavia as a federation collapsed 11 years after the death of Josip Broz Tito. The collapse of the SAR also occurred 11 years later - after the death of the father of the current ruler of Syria, Hafez Assad.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 2 2021 15: 23
    +7
    Why not try it on yourself before offering others? winked
    Check the performance of the plan, so to speak ... smile
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 2 2021 19: 54
      -5
      Is there a Civil War going on in Israel?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 2 2021 20: 04
        +6
        Is there a Civil War going on in Israel?

        Is there a small matter?
        By the way, you can also try the recipe in Ukraine recourse Offer them good
        1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 2 2021 22: 06
          -4
          For what little? You offered to try on Israel, I explained to you that there is no reason for this, since there is no and no Civil War is expected, although it may be unpleasant for you. And what happens in Ukraine is not particularly interesting for us, it should be more bother you, because it, and not Syria, is at your side. And yes, the proposed solution may well be the best solution for Syria, since it will never be an integral unitary country, and without such a solution, the war there will be endless.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) April 2 2021 22: 31
            +3
            For what little? You offered to try on Israel, I explained to you that there is no reason for this, since there is no Civil War and is not foreseen, although it may be unpleasant for you.

            Why should this be unpleasant to me? Do you think that this requires a civil war? Don't tell the Palestinians about it stop

            And what is happening in Ukraine is not particularly interesting to us, it should worry you more, because it, and not Syria, is at your side.

            It just fits your criteria perfectly. yes

            And yes, the proposed solution may well be the optimal solution for Syria, since it will never be an integral unitary country, and without such a solution, the war there will be endless.

            Still as will be yes in spite of the "all-galactic coalition" led by the United States and probably you smile
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 2 2021 22: 42
            +2
            Natan bruk, Jews in Ukraine, are they your people or Ukrainians?
            1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
              Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 04: 50
              +1
              How did they end up there?
  2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 2 2021 15: 43
    +7
    Yugoslavia was a federation, and here even the Kurds do not have autonomy. And the Turks will not like their autonomy very much. And in Syria, almost all confessions are Arabs. Try to divide Switzerland by nat. based on or by religion, or the States.
    1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) April 2 2021 17: 19
      -2
      Try to divide Switzerland by nat. basis or religion

      Switzerland is just divided according to the criteria you indicated and, by the way, it is a confederation / federation.
      1. bear040 Offline bear040
        bear040 April 2 2021 20: 32
        +5
        However, Switzerland is one country, if memory serves with 6 state languages, and the Yugoslav scenario is the collapse of the country into parts, not Switzerland
  3. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) April 2 2021 15: 45
    +4
    Yugoslavian aka Libyan scenario ... like all APotsam when everyone around is at war with each other. And they will steal oil together with the USA ...
  4. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 2 2021 16: 39
    +5
    Apparently it is time for the Palestinian Cossacks to liberate the occupied "five hectares" - they have healed in the Middle East.
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 2 2021 19: 55
      -5
      Spiritual ones live in their imaginary world :)))
      1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 05: 21
        +1
        Spiritual in their own land, and a small people in a foreign
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 09: 36
          -3
          Quote: Spiritual
          Spiritual in their own land, and a small people in a foreign

          Many countries do not think so.
  5. GRF Offline GRF
    GRF April 2 2021 17: 51
    0
    that Yugoslavia as a federation fell apart 11 years after the death of Josip Broz Tito. The collapse of the SAR also occurred 11 years later - after the death of the father of the current ruler of Syria, Hafez Assad.

    Why bust the office so clearly ...
  6. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 2 2021 18: 54
    -1
    Without exception, all Arab countries that appeared on the political map of the world in the first half of the 20th century were created artificially. Hence the contradictions, civil wars constantly flaring up in this region. The proposed plan is quite pragmatic and reasonable. The Asad clan came to power in a coup d'état. The civil war was unleashed by the close relatives of the late Assad. The borders of the new states on the territory of the formerly called Syria have been de facto defined. In this context, Amos Asael poses the question correctly. About legitimizing them de jure. This is an objective geopolitical reality.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) April 2 2021 19: 08
      -7
      I completely agree with you. I just want to remind you that today on the site of the former SAR there are actually several quasi-states. These are the areas controlled by Assad, the northeastern territories where the Kurdish formation, supported by the Americans, is located, the enclave in the north where the Turks and their wards rule and the desert lands in the east where the bearded ISIS, allegedly defeated repeatedly, feel at ease. And there is not the slightest chance that all this will again become a single state.
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 2 2021 23: 19
      +4
      Quote: Rogue1812
      Without exception, all Arab countries that appeared on the political map of the world in the first half of the 20th century were created artificially.

      Binder, and Israel was created artificially, it all started with it.
    3. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 05: 03
      +1
      Israel was created artificially under the screams of the Holocaust. State on blood. Where they brought emigrants from all over the world. The Zionists began to import with the help of the British, then with the help of Hitler, an ally of the Zionists.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 09: 08
        0
        Quote: Spiritual
        Israel was created artificially under the screams of the Holocaust. State on blood. Where they brought emigrants from all over the world. The Zionists began to import with the help of the British, then with the help of Hitler, an ally of the Zionists.

        The publication is about something completely different: about the possibility of a Yugoslav variant in Syria. According to your post. Your mother did not teach you that it is sinful to lie. The British in the 20s and 30s were categorically against the emigration of Jews to Palestine. Jews who tried to enter there were interned in concentration camps in Cyprus. Hitler created a special department headed by Eichmann and, in accordance with the decision of the Wannsee Conference, arranged masoovre and systematic murder of Jews. For which special concentration camps were created. For such posts as yours, in the Russian Federation they are brought to criminal responsibility. And rightly so.
        1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 16: 09
          +2
          When in 1935 the National Socialist Congress and the Reichstag passed and approved the Nuremberg racial laws, the Yudische Rundschau hastened to approve them:

          Germany's interests coincide with the goals of the World Zionist Congress ... New laws give the Jewish minority their cultural and national life ... Germany gives us the happy opportunity to be ourselves and offers state protection for the separate life of the Jewish minority.

          In collaboration with the Nazi authorities, Zionist organizations created a network of about 40 camps and agricultural centers throughout the country, which trained those who intended to resettle in the "promised land." All these centers and camps proudly fluttered blue and white flags with the Star of David.

          As modern British historian David Irving correctly states:

          Hitler wanted to force the Jews to leave Europe. It was in this that he saw “the final solution to the Jewish question.

          But the alliance of the Zionists with the Nazis concerned not only cultural and economic issues. In 1937, representatives of the Jewish militant organization "Haganah" met in Berlin with Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of the Jewish question in Germany, and in the same year Eichmann visited the "Haganah" in Palestine. It was agreed that "Haganah" will represent the interests of Germany in the Middle East. And in 1941, the Jewish terrorist organization "Lehi" (Lochame Cheryth Israel), headed by Yitzhak Shamir, the future prime minister of Israel, signed an agreement with Germany on a joint war with England.
        2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 16: 18
          +2
          History of cooperation between Zionists and Nazis

          The history of Zionist-Nazi cooperation can be divided into six main sections:

          Sending pro-fascist young Zionist Jews from Germany to Palestine to fight the British occupation.
          Cooperation between the Jewish Agency (Sokhnut) and the Gestapo in the selection (specifically selection, not just sending: this is extremely important) hundreds of thousands of Jewish fascists sent to Palestine.
          Participation of Zionist organizations in "Operation Transfer" (as this operation was called).
          Close Nazi-Zionist economic ties and continued trade between the Jewish Yishuv in Palestine and Nazi Germany even when all anti-fascist countries declared a trade boycott to the Hitler regime (1933-1939). (Violation of a trade boycott by the Zionist Yishuv in circumstances where the violator was an undoubted ally of Hitler).
          Constant contacts between the Hitlerite and Zionist elite, which were not interrupted until the very end of the Second World War. The dual nature of these contacts.
          Loud statements by the Jewish Yishuv in Palestine about their loyalty to the Hitler regime; the famous letter to the German military leadership in Africa; statement by the commander of the "second" Zionist gang in Palestine (Stern, ataman LEKHI) that he and his brigade declare themselves allies of Nazi Germany
        3. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
          Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 16: 27
          +1
          The Balfour Declaration, when the British pledged to hand over Palestine to the Zionists
  7. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 April 2 2021 20: 30
    +5
    Let the Israeli whiner whine in Israel. In India, too, there are castes, one of which is the ruling one, the brahmans, and so what, tell India to separate ?! In Israel, too, not everyone professes Hebrew and not all Jews, so start the Yugoslav script with your Telyaviv.
  8. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) April 2 2021 20: 52
    -5
    Quote: bear040
    However, Switzerland is one country, if memory serves with 6 state languages, and the Yugoslav scenario is the collapse of the country into parts, not Switzerland

    With four.
    The Yugoslavian scenario is not the worst way to go. De facto, Syria as a single state exists conditionally. In fact, there are enclaves of Druze, Kurds, Turkomans, Shiites and Sunnis. Either permanent civil war, or Yugoslavian divorce. Neighboring Lebanon is an example of this. Only a dictatorship with a permanent special situation kept the country in check, but the world is changing.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) April 3 2021 20: 58
      +1
      The Yugoslavian scenario is not the worst way to go.

      Not bad for who?

      Either permanent civil war, or Yugoslavian divorce.

      There is a third option, the invaders leave and peace is quickly restored in the country.

      Neighboring Lebanon is an example of this. Only a dictatorship with a permanent special situation kept the country in check, but the world is changing.

      And so not only in Lebanon, the form of government there is traditionally with local specifics, but someone stubbornly implants "democracy" there, and with the use of military aircraft. By the way, when will democracy appear in Saudi Arabia?
      1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
        Alexzn (Alexander) April 4 2021 07: 48
        0
        Not bad for who?

        For the Syrians. Under Assad, the Syrians felt bad, but they did not understand that without them it would be even worse. It was the same with Gaddafi and Saddam. In the current conditions, we must talk about the least worst case. It is rightly noted here - the Yugoslav version has already taken place, it only needs to be formalized somehow and move on.

        There is a third option, the invaders leave and peace is quickly restored in the country.

        tertium non datur
        Who are the occupiers? As soon as the Americans and Turks leave, the central government will begin to put pressure on the national minorities with the weapons of the Russians, Iran and the Shiite militias. And then the world will come? Will the Sunni Arab world put up with the fact that the Sunnis are being oppressed, will Turkey accept that the Turkomans are being oppressed? Kurds will stop dreaming of autonomy / state? Are there problems?

        the form of government there is traditionally with local specifics, but someone stubbornly implants "democracy" there

        Was. The world is changing. In Syria, a situation was created that destroyed the state. Obama with his idiocy, Sunnis with an idiotic caliphate, Iran in an effort to create a Shiite axis ... Note that all external forces were anti-Israel.
        PS From what the analysis of the situation gives an Israeli, it (the analysis) does not automatically become true or not true. It is worth discussing the arguments and conclusions, not the country of origin. Amos perfectly understands what he writes about and acts not as an interested person, but as an analyst. "Useful Jew" Kedmi has long been talking about the Yugoslav model in Syria, can he?
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) April 4 2021 13: 31
          +2
          For the Syrians. Under Assad, the Syrians felt bad, but they did not understand that without them it would be even worse. It was the same with Gaddafi and Saddam.

          What a strange position belay Themselves say that without Assad it will be worse, but at the same time it is not bad? Or are you planning to clone it on several states?

          In the current conditions, we must talk about the least worst case.

          You yourself named him - Assad.

          It is rightly noted here - the Yugoslav version has already taken place, it only needs to be formalized somehow and move on.

          Is not a fact. It is necessary to drive the occupiers, the country will be restored. In cases of partition, what better life will be?

          tertium non datur

          Does the third option absolutely not suit you?

          Who are the occupiers? As soon as the Americans and Turks leave, the central government will begin to put pressure on ethnic minorities with the weapons of Russians, Iran and Shiite militias.

          Turks and Americans. You named them yourself. Do you have any other options? Pressuring minorities? Don't be funny laughing Who are there from the minorities? Kurds? For them, the Turks are real protection lol Shiite militias to crush minorities? Are you talking about religion? The ratio of Shiites and Sunnis in favor of the latter. Are the Sunnis that minority? Are the Alawites an oppressed minority too? Or will they start crushing Christians? Who are these minorities who will immediately begin to be oppressed? "Turkomans"? Was the Idlib Zoo taken to the Idlib Zoo on buses on a national basis?

          And then the world will come? Will the Sunni Arab world come to terms with the fact that the Sunnis are being oppressed, will Turkey accept that the Turkomans are being oppressed? Kurds will stop dreaming of autonomy / state? Are there problems?

          And Syria will reconcile that its territory is being taken away? In the event of the formation of new states, they will also have national minorities. Will they not be oppressed? Will the problems disappear?
          Since you are for the realization of the dream of Kurdish autonomy, then let's not double standards. let's divide Turkey. By the way, the Palestinians also dream of their own state. repeat

          Was. The world is changing. In Syria, a situation was created that destroyed the state. Obama with his idiocy, Sunnis with an idiotic caliphate, Iran in an effort to create a Shiite axis ... Note that all external forces were anti-Israel.

          You did not mention another external force that corrected most of the "idiotic mistakes", is it also anti-Israel?

          PS From what the analysis of the situation gives an Israeli, it (the analysis) does not automatically become true or not true. It is worth discussing the arguments and conclusions, not the country of origin. Amos perfectly understands what he writes about and acts not as an interested person, but as an analyst. "Useful Jew" Kedmi has long been talking about the Yugoslav model in Syria, can he?

          You can talk to Amos and Kedmi, am I against it? As you rightly pointed out, the arguments and conclusions are worth discussing. Did I even say a word about nationality? The arguments from your side are more likely, in my opinion, of course, “not entirely objective, because Israel is an interested party, interested in weakening the neighboring unfriendly state with which it is at war. The position is quite understandable, but not disinterested.
      2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 09: 14
        -1
        Who are the invaders in Syria? Turkey, Iran, USA, RF? Or are they guarantors of the boundaries of their protégés. After all, Assad Jr. is only one of the forces in the civil war. Which was unleashed by his family, by the way. The countries mentioned above will leave and bloodshed on a large scale will begin again. Now the conflict is slowly frozen. And the Yugoslavian version is the most acceptable of all. But the couch strategy, it is so couch, so all impetuous, unpredictable ...
  9. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) April 2 2021 21: 01
    0
    Quote: bear040
    Not everyone in Israel professes Hebrew either.

    Definitely! So I definitely do not confess. To be honest, I don’t know a single person who professes it.
    1. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
      Wanderer039 April 3 2021 00: 48
      +4
      Well, you understand that the man has humarized and he meant Judaism. You have both Christians and Muslims there, and there are not all Jews in Israel, so start the Yugoslav scenario with yourself. Maybe after it, your endless war will also end
  10. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) April 2 2021 23: 03
    +1
    Israel proposes "Yugoslavian option" for Syria

    What are those interested? And who is offered something? Zionists, ay!
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 3 2021 01: 25
      +1
      Quote: isofat
      Israel proposes "Yugoslavian option" for Syria

      What are those interested? And who is offered something? Zionists, ay!

      The Yugoslav variant has already taken place in Syria. The whole question is in its legitimation. But it doesn't matter. With regards to Israel. Was, is and will be. Because it is orders of magnitude stronger and more motivated. And this fact is objectively confirmed by the most authoritative Arab countries that have established comprehensive relations with Jerusalem.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) April 3 2021 02: 06
        +2
        And this fact is objectively confirmed by the most authoritative Arab countries that have established comprehensive relations with Jerusalem.

        And why, then, at least women from the general military do not free?

        Do you know what all these "authoritative confirmation" laughing

        Who is this blizzard for?
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 3 2021 16: 55
          -1
          Quote: Ulysses
          And this fact is objectively confirmed by the most authoritative Arab countries that have established comprehensive relations with Jerusalem.

          And why, then, at least women from the general military do not free?

          Do you know what all these "authoritative confirmation" laughing

          Who is this blizzard for?

          Until de jure the Yugoslavian option is implemented in the territory of former Syria, Israel must keep the powder dry. Actually, you, as I understood from your comment, know the value of the promises of the Arab states and the readiness to abide by the treaties. The former prime minister of Jordan railed about the benefits of his country from peace with Israel. And when asked if he recognizes Haifa and Akko as Israeli, he replied in the same interview: "If we are stronger than Israel, do you really think that some piece of paper of agreements will stop us?" This is traditional Arabic Hudna. Well, and about the abolition of universal conscription in Israel - you are not in the subject. In our country, Arab citizens of Israel are not drafted into the army at all, as well as religious Israelis, of whom there are about 1 million in Israel. Specifically with regards to women. Exempt from service in the IDF:
          - women to Arabs:
          - married women;
          - religious women.
          Tip: Before commenting, you need to study the issue. In order not to get into a mess. And you will be happy.
          1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) April 3 2021 18: 48
            +4
            Until de jure the Yugoslavian option is implemented in the territory of former Syria, Israel must keep the powder dry.

            Until Israel is disarmed and demilitarized, there will be no peace in the BW.
            The UN can take over the protection of Israel's external borders by introducing "blue helmets", for example, from Uganda or Ukraine. smile
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 3 2021 23: 49
              -3
              This is who such a brave daring man appeared on the planet. Who will disarm and demilitarize Israel? And it will survive at the same time. Name! Let's laugh together. The whole site. You don't want to take on this mission. Weak? But this is from the same opera. That you are personally, that the Russian Federation, the USA, the PRC and further on the list. Iran not to offer. Will refuse. Because he is afraid. And on the territory of the former united Syria, the Yugoslavian option is on the agenda. Not up to Israel. At the best of times, they received them regularly and in full. What can we say about today ...
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 01: 29
                +1
                Tramp1812, you know what's the matter, if you look at the history of your people, it turns out that you were chased by all and sundry for three thousand years.

                Well, the fact that you seized a foreign land and expelled the indigenous population from their historical homeland, proclaiming your state there, is a dark spot in the history of the Jewish people.

                PS Yes, before I forget, you not intentionally cock. smile This bird characterizes you in the best way possible.
                1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                  Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 04: 16
                  -1
                  He fucks like Iran, you go along with it. For company. This does not go further. The enemies of Israel and the Jews are screaming, the Jews are being driven really. Only feathers from roosters fly. Is not it so? Syria collapsed as a result of the civil war and the Yugoslav variant is the result of this war. And not at all about those dense wilds where you are trying to lead the discussion. But for information. Of those, as you have deigned to put it, the historical "persecutors of the Jews", not a single one went unpunished. From Hitler's Germany to Medieval Spain. Read the confession and apology to the Jews of King Juan Carlos of Spain that the decline of Spain began after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492, or Hitler's political testament. He again blames the Jews for the defeat of the Reich. It is available both on the Internet and in official literature. And German Chancellor Willy Brandt, already on his knees today, literally begged for forgiveness from the Jews. However, as in Jedwabna, the leader of Poland did it. Dates: 1917 and 1990, don't talk about anything? I mean, where is the USSR (and not only), and where is Israel? And about the expulsion of the "indigenous population" - these are just not facts, but your position. There is a lot of rooster shouting, but all to no avail. Didn't you ask yourself why the 110th Aviation Regiment was recalled to the USSR? And why did not one of his pilots say a word about the battle over Egypt and the attempt to drive the Jews ... That's the same.
                  1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 05: 13
                    +2
                    Jews were expelled from almost all European countries in the Middle Ages. They did not want to support Jews. They accused them of low social responsibility. The Turks accepted them from Europe. There is still a large diaspora in Iran. Nobody massively repented and regretted. They even sighed with relief.
                    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 09: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: Spiritual
                      Jews were expelled from almost all European countries in the Middle Ages. They did not want to support Jews. They accused them of low social responsibility. The Turks accepted them from Europe. There is still a large diaspora in Iran. Nobody massively repented and regretted. They even sighed with relief.

                      Once again I ask: where does the Yugoslavian version, which is being discussed on the site, have to do with it? What you write is not only incitement to ethnic hatred, but just a flood. Besides, as always, frankly illiterate. Jews in the Middle Ages were expelled en masse only by Spain. Bayazet Lightning, described the actions of the royal couple as "the act of the insane." And he accepted all the Jews with pleasure. The German principalities and Poland lured Jews into their possessions, providing them with various benefits. Because the Jews were called "teachers of Europe" because of their 100% literacy. In the same Spain, 100% of navigators, doctors, engineers were Jews. Spain has now returned citizenship to all descendants of the exiled Jews. Only no one went. In Germany, divided into principalities, Jews were lured away from one principalities to others. In England, France, Germany, Austria, Jews served as prime ministers and foreign ministers. The great Roosevelt, for example, not being a Jew, when asked by the Jewish newspaper Juish Chronicle in 1936, was he not a Jew, which is quite possible. Well, where is "almost all of Europe"? Which country specifically "sighed with relief?" Finland, which responded to the demands of the Nazis to extradite the Jews that it would enter the war with the Reich if it tried to forcefully depart Finnish Jews. Bulgaria? Which massively went to protests against the deportation of Jews. Denmark, which, being occupied, took all the Jews to Sweden by boat? Albania saving every Jew to a man? You need to lie less, you need to lie less.
                      1. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 13: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Rogue1812
                        Once again I ask: where does the Yugoslavian version, which is being discussed on the site, have to do with it?

                        Tramp1812... At the expense of discussing the topic. This is Israel's proposal! None of the discussion of the topic left and does not leave.

                        We need to know what drives the author who proposed this scenario. Your aggressive, Russophobic group has already crowed their opinions together.

                        So now I know where the legs grow from. And who wrote this article. This article is a bad-smelling "product" of your activity.

                        PS Warrior warrior, how are the examples of your salvation consistent with your threats that you are everyone and everything? You have to be saved all the time!?! You yourself are not able to be saved, victims of the Holocaust. laughing
                      2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 18: 29
                        +2
                        50 g. - expulsion from Rome by Emperor Claudius.

                        414 - under Patriarch Kirill, Jews were expelled from Alexandria

                        VII century - from Arabia by Mohammed (Mohammed). Modern Islam is still outliving Jews wherever it has sufficient influence.

                        613 AD - All Spanish Jews who refused to be baptized were forced to leave the country on the orders of King Sisebut. Returned to 620, expelled again to 638.

                        1113 - from Russia by Vladimir Monomakh, who announced: "Now to expel the Jews from the Russian land with all their property and henceforth not to accept them, and if they secretly enter, then freely kill and rob them"; This happened after a major Jewish pogrom. the population revolted against Jewish oppression.

                        1171 g. - the partial expulsion of Jews from Bologna and Rome, as evidenced by Christian and Jewish sources.

                        1182 - King of France Philip II Augustus issued a decree expelling all Jews from France and confiscating their property. Most of the exiles took refuge in the neighboring counties of Champagne, the Kingdom of Provence, the county of Venesse and other places.

                        1287 g. - pogrom in Bern (Switzerland), 1290 g. - exile.

                        1290 from England by the English king Edward I. The official reason is usury, but such a reason cannot be the real reason for the expulsion of an entire nation, so there had to be something else. The complete exile was preceded by the compulsion of the Jews to wear a distinctive sign in the 1218 year. T.O. it can be said that the population of England began to feel discomfort from the Jews, while the Jews disguised themselves as the British and it was difficult to distinguish them. Only Jews were obliged to wear a distinctive sign, other foreigners should not have done this, i.e. Jews stood out among ordinary foreigners moving to England. Exile lasted 365 years and ceased with the destruction of royal power. The Jews were returned by Cromwell in the 1657 year. T.O. we see that the Jews benefited from the fall of the monarchical regime.

                        1306 - King Philip IV the Beautiful issued a decree on the eviction of Jews from France and the confiscation of all their property. Jews were also expelled by Lorraine, Savoy, Dauphine, Franche-Comté. Most of the Jews moved to the southern provinces, not subject to the king. 28 July 1315 Louis X allowed Jews to return to France subject to a large ransom

                        1320 g. - A decree was issued on the expulsion of all Jews from Rome. A delegation of Roman Jews led by a member of the well-known Roman-Jewish family Kalonimus managed to achieve the abolition of the decree, but while a new order was received, some Jews were already expelled.

                        1348 g. - Repeated expulsion from Switzerland. In 1397, Jews were prohibited from living in Basel, in 1427 in Bern, in 1428 in Friborg, in 1436 in Zurich, in 1475 in Schaffhausen, in 1490 in Geneva (where Jews lived from 1428 in a separate quarter, which was attacked in 1460), in Thurgau in 1494, at the end of 15. - in Lausanne (in some cases, an exception was made for doctors). In 1622, a meeting of representatives of 13 Swiss cantons (they controlled half of the territory of modern Switzerland) decided to “expel” the Jews forever. In the 16 – 18 centuries. Jewish communities existed only in three small towns of Baden County, which was not a full member of the Swiss Confederation - Argau, Klingnau and Oberendingen (now included in the canton of Argau).

                        1349 - the first expulsion of Jews from Hungary. 1360 g. - the Jews were again expelled, but in 1364 g. They were allowed (although with some restrictions) to return.

                        1394 - King Charles VI again forbade Jews to live in France. Jews again fled to the southern provinces. At the end of the 15th century, these lands entered the royal domain and the Jews were expelled from there too. After this, there were no Jews in France for three centuries.

                        The end of the XIII-XIV centuries - numerous local expulsions of Jews from various principalities of Germany.

                        1421 AD - By order of Albrecht V, all Jews of Austria were arrested. 270 people were burned at the stake on charges of desecrating a guest in Ens. All the others, with the exception of those who agreed to be baptized, were expelled from the country, their property was confiscated

                        1477 - Duke of Lorraine Rene II expelled the Jews from the province.

                        1487 g. - The municipal councils of Lisbon and several other cities adopted decrees on the expulsion of Jews. However, these orders were quashed by King Juan II.

                        1492 from Spain by Isabella I and Ferdinand II ("Alhambra Decree").

                        1492 from the island of Sicily by Ferdinand II.

                        1495 from Florence.

                        1495 g. - Prince Alexander announced the expulsion of Jews from Lithuania. The real estate of the exiles was declared the property of the prince and partially distributed to Christians. In 1501, Jews were allowed to return, and even property was returned

                        December 1496 - King Manuel I issued a decree on the expulsion of Jews from Portugal and the mandatory baptism of all children. 20 000 Jews left the country. Those who remained were subjected to forced baptism according to a decree of March 19 1497 year. However, even the baptism and special “protective” decree of the king adopted in May 1497 did not save Jews from persecution and pogroms.

                        1525 g. - the expulsion of Jews from Warsaw.

                        1530 - 1584 g. - Under Ivan the Terrible, any stay of Jews in the country was prohibited. After him, the ban ceased to be strictly enforced. The entry of Jews into Muscovite Russia during the Time of Troubles took on a considerable scale, especially during the rule of False Dmitry I (1605 – 1606), which came to power with the help of the Polish army. Jews entered the retinue’s retinue and suffered during its deposition. According to some reports, False Dmitry II, who claimed the throne of Moscow, was a cross from the Jews and served in the retinue of False Dmitry I. Jews actively participated in the organization of the Time of Troubles and tried to come to power.

                        1549 g. - A decree was signed on the expulsion of Jews from Austria. But this decree was not fully implemented and part of the Jewish population remained. Under Maximilian II (1546 – 76), a decree was issued on the expulsion of the Jews of Lower Austria (1572), but it was also not executed despite requests from the estates. Jews forced to wear the distinctive sign introduced in Austria in 1550

                        1555 - Pope Paul IV issued a bull about the eviction of Jews in a special quarter and the prohibition of Jews from owning land, selling grain, and Christians being treated by Jewish doctors.

                        1569 - Bull Pius V was published on the expulsion of Jews from papal possessions in Italy (except Rome and Ancona) and France.

                        1570 g. - the expulsion from Germany (Margrave of Brandenburg)

                        23 April 1615 - Louis XIII issued a decree expelling Jews from France for a month under pain of death. Jews were forbidden to live not only in France, but also in its colonies

                        1622 - from Switzerland.

                        1647 g. - The English Revolution. 1657 - lifting the ban on the residence of Jews by Cromwell.

                        1669 g. - An imperial decree was signed on the expulsion of Jews from Vienna, Lower and Upper Austria. In the fall of 1669, 1600 Jews were evicted. In 1670, the rest were expelled, including the richest Viennese Jews.

                        1727 g. - from Russia by Empress Catherine I

                        1742 g. - from Russia by Empress Elizabeth Petrovna

                        1789 g. - The French Revolution. The coming of Jews to power in France, the prohibition of anti-Semitism.

                        April 13, 1835 - a decree was published to the Senate, according to which Jews were allowed to settle freely in 6 western provinces and two regions, in 10 provinces with significant restrictions (for example, with a ban on living in provincial cities), in other places the settlement was prohibited - "Line settled
              2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 05: 07
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                Why is Iran afraid? For 30 years Israel has been threatening to destroy Iran, and when it was even weaker. Now, and even more so, it is too tough for the Jews. The Jews ignited the war in Syria, they thought to catch fish in troubled waters on the sly, but they got Iranians by their side. Israel has a cover in the future.
      2. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) April 3 2021 12: 21
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        Tramp1812. Everyone knows that the Zionists drove out the indigenous population of Palestine from their historical homeland. Well, as for - is and will be, history says the opposite, you are no stranger to nomads, when you wander from country to country, then the world is calmer.

        You'd better tell us why in Ukraine the nationalists got divorced, and who pays them money. Tell us why hatred for Russia has grown in Ukraine, and why the levers of power have Jews, whom they should seem to be genocide, but this is not happening. smile

        The United Jewish Community of Ukraine and its website ... Tell us why Jews don't call themselves Ukrainians? Why did this site proclaim the development of the Jewish way of life, etc., as their goal? (https://jew.org.ua)

        PS What have the Jews lost in Syria?
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 3 2021 17: 14
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          The publication is commented on, not the questions you pose. As for the presence of Jews at the levers of power in Ukraine, it is not specific. I know one - Zelensky, and that half-breed. Everything! There were Jewish mayors: Grossman (Vinnitsa), Hurwitz (Odessa), Kernes (Kharkov). These were the most successful mayors in Ukraine, who stood at the head of these cities in the course of free elections. And they were chosen not because they are Jews, but because they are capable organizers and extraordinary personalities. Just as professional miners Zvyagilskiy and Yoffe created the most profitable mines in Ukraine from scratch. And ordinary miners will gnaw their throats for them. This was confirmed when the authorities hounded Zvyagilsky in 1994. In the Russian Federation, VVP entrusted Rotenberg with organizing the construction of the Kerch bridge. And not because he is a Jew, but because of his qualities of a leader and organizer. The reasons for the tension in relations between Ukraine and the Russian Federation is not an easy question. United by the Bolsheviks Ukraine is part of countries that are completely different in mentality. Supporters of European integration took up. Just like in the past, the red defeated the white. And the Jews clearly have nothing to do with it. Moreover, they are practically absent in Ukraine, as well as in the Russian Federation. Today, there are many times more ethnic Ukrainians and Russians in Israel than there are Jews in Russia and Ukraine.
          Well, about Israel's interest in Syria. Look at the map. And get the answer.
          1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
            Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 04: 58
            +1
            You have megalomania. Why did the Zionists bring the goyim to Palestine? Rotenberg's leadership qualities?
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 09: 31
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              Quote: Spiritual
              You have megalomania. Why did the Zionists bring the goyim to Palestine? Rotenberg's leadership qualities?

              Goyim came in large numbers to Israel themselves. And for the most part as illegal laborers. Like illegal immigrants from Central Asia to Russia. And they came in large numbers, because the salary of a cleaner in prosperous Israel and a laborer at a construction site is at least $ 2000. That's the whole reason. I don't mean mixed marriages. Of the 100% of couples who entered Israel from the countries of the former USSR, 60% are non-Jews. For comparison, from the USA and France, only 3-4% are non-Jews. It's clearer that way. The Zionists are just not happy with this state of affairs. Syria, until the Asad family came to power, ignited a civil war with their own hands, Israel was quite happy. Before the civil war, it was a quiet border. Israel clearly did not need this mess. Now we have to send guests from Iran back to Tehran in parts. Hundred. Troubled, but what to do? Fortunately, the Russian Federation looks at this good undertaking through its fingers. Even I suppose it helps. However, in Syria, the conflict is slowly being frozen. We are talking about the Yugoslavian version. You look and a peace treaty with Israel will be signed. As Egypt and Jordan did long ago. Relations are normalized as Sudan, UAE, Morocco, Tunisia. With the maximum assistance of Saudi Arabia. Erdogan is begging for Israel's permission to return his ambassador to Turkey.
              1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 18: 32
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                Do not fool your head. This is not about labor migration, but about those supposedly descendants of Moses like you.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 19: 28
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                  A sensational scholarly study, this book by Tel Aviv University History Professor Shlomo Zanda is a scholarly perspective on the history of the Jewish people. (2010)
              2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 18: 52
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                Don't be fooled, this is not about labor immigrants, but about those who are brought into Israel under the resettlement law. As the chief rabbi of the Sephardim Iskhak Joseph said, in recent years, Zionists, under the guise of Halachic Jews, have brought in hundreds, tens of thousands of goyim from the countries of the former USSR, infected with atheism and Marxism. I am translating for you: more than half of the repatriates from Chisinau, Odessa, Moscow, Zhmerinka, Tashkent, Zhitomir , Almaty and other places and towns are not descendants of the biblical people. And the impostors. And the same Palestinians have more rights to this land.
            2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 10: 00
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              Rotenberg for the construction in the shortest possible time of the most difficult Kerch bridge, was officially awarded the highest award of the Russian Federation. It is for organizational and leadership qualities. Did not know ?
              1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
                Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 18: 56
                +1
                Putin distributes orders to the right and to the left. Especially to the oligarchs. Even Berl Lazar received - "For fooling the peoples of Russia"
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 19: 43
                -1
                Tramp1812, for what purpose do you mention Arkady Romanovich so often, explain, please.
                1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                  Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 21: 25
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                  Quote: isofat
                  Tramp1812, for what purpose do you mention Arkady Romanovich so often, explain, please.

                  He is my illegitimate son.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 21: 29
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                    But there is no need to offend decent people! smile
          2. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 18: 17
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            Quote: Rogue1812
            ... about Israel's interest in Syria. Look at the map. And get the answer.

            Tramp1812, I don’t need to look at the map to understand that you didn’t answer the question.
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 21: 38
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              Quote: isofat
              Quote: Rogue1812
              ... about Israel's interest in Syria. Look at the map. And get the answer.

              Tramp1812, I don’t need to look at the map to understand that you didn’t answer the question.

              Not surprised.
              What's the difference: you look at the map, don't look. You still don’t understand anything. And you will never understand. That from the Golan Heights in general and Mount Hermon in particular, the entire north of Israel can be fired at from a slingshot. And to admit the presence of Iranian missile bases at its own temple is like death. In the Yom Kippur War, the plan of the Syrians and the Moroccans, Jordanians, and Iraqis who fought with them was to break through to Haifa and cut Israel in half at the waist. And from the south the Egyptians, the Arabians and the whole "merry company" supported by the USSR were supposed to pull themselves up. Our country is 490 km long, and from 17 to 120 km wide. The truth is that everything ended at the walls of Damascus and the attack on open Cairo. But the Israelites' efforts and sacrifices cost a lot. So that this does not happen, as a preventive measure, the beds from the Iranians are thinned out. Regularly. And we will continue to do the same. To the delight of people like you.

              ... Here they walk and spit only in the urns, but you certainly do not understand, There behind the wall, Because the darkness is uncivilized!

              (V. Vysotsky)
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 22: 02
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                Tramp1812, before it was necessary to turn on the head. Although, I think that Israel has not yet lost the opportunity to correct what it has done.

                Don't make it worse, the threat of a world war is already high. Zionists, criminals, they are Israel's main trouble.
                1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                  Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 5 2021 01: 29
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                  Quote: isofat
                  Tramp1812, before it was necessary to turn on the head. Although, I think that Israel has not yet lost the opportunity to correct what it has done.

                  Don't make it worse, the threat of a world war is already high. Zionists, criminals, they are Israel's main trouble.

                  Zionism is a Jewish national liberation movement. It is solely thanks to Zionism that the Jews are finally back in their 2000-year ruin
                  invaders of all stripes of the house. They found him deserted and deserted. Despite the aggression of self-proclaimed neighbors, they successfully built the most prosperous democratic and free state in the world in the shortest possible time. Where illegal immigrants from all over the world, including the Russian Federation and Ukraine, consider it to be a great happiness. To work on rough work to earn their daily bread. Which is simply impossible to do in their countries of residence. Arab countries, having suffered a series of shameful and crushing defeats, made peace with tiny and powerful Israel. And everyone lives together and happily. And Syria collapsed as a result of the usurpation of power by the Assad clan, and the only thing left is the formation of a number of new states according to the Yugoslav version. This is an objective reality. And he said to Netanyahu: "With a treaty or without a treaty, Iran will not receive nuclear weapons!" From myself I will add: “And if it does, it will only be in the teeth.” And it will be so! With ardent Zionist greetings. Amen.
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) April 5 2021 01: 38
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                    Tramp1812... Zionism is a form of racism.
                    You yourself prove this in your comments when you begin to explain who, in your understanding, is a purebred Jew. Or, when you call Zelensky a half-breed.
                    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 5 2021 06: 19
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                      That is why people of almost all nationalities in the world live in Israel. And everyone is equal before the law. And the Christian community is the only one in the whole BV that is not threatened by anything. The Arabs have the third largest representation in the Knesset and the formation of the coalition depends on them. The Circassians, expelled from Russia, are a national minority, shoulder to shoulder with Jews fighting the Arab aggressors in all wars, among them there are many officers and generals of the IDF. And Circassian Bibras Nath is the captain of the Israeli national football team. The legendary beauty of the Circassian woman - Amina Al Mutfi - the pearl of the Mossad. And a Zionist to the bone. There is no nationality column in any Israeli document. Yes, the same fifth column, the invalids of which were Jews in the USSR. Where officially Jews have been since 1943, it has been forbidden to reward during the Second World War and since 1983 to appoint to leadership positions. Israeli Arabs have an official advantage in Zionist Israel over Jews when hiring and studying, there are more Jews in percentage terms among lawyers, doctors, engineers. They live compactly in Arab cities. Palestinians do not pay taxes and their products are more competitive than Israeli ones. The Palestinian Authority is fully supported by Israel, although there is zero benefit from it for our country. Not a single one lives in it, not only a Jew, but also an Israelite. And she does not want to separate herself from the Jewish feeding trough under any circumstances. There is not a single racist law in Israel. And the fact that Zelensky is not 100% Jewish, like Zhirinovsky, Vysotsky, Lenin, Vesnik, the Strugatsky brothers, Kalyagin, Rodnina, Rutskoy, Urgant, Mironov, Kasparov, has nothing to do with Zionism, racism, or communism. , nor does it belong to proletarian internationalism. I understand that it is a shame that now Jews are not discriminated against as in the USSR, they are not given false and humiliating anecdotes of the type "a Jewish man," they cannot indiscriminately be accused of cowardice. They are not persecuted as in the USSR on a national basis We'll have to come to terms. As with the achievements of the Jewish genius in all branches, including the brilliant military Jewish victories, which are inscribed in golden letters in the military history of mankind.
                      1. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) April 5 2021 12: 42
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                        Tramp1812, the first time I usually visit the site closer to lunch. And today I regretted not having watched the Reporter earlier. I would be in a good mood from the very morning. Thanks for the fun! hi
      3. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 3 2021 21: 02
        +1
        The Yugoslav variant has already taken place in Syria. The whole question is in its legitimation. But it doesn't matter.

        In my opinion, a red revolutionary stump to you and not legitimation.

        With regards to Israel. Was, is and will be. Because orders of magnitude are stronger and more motivated

        These are all words. You were not bombed by the "democratizers", the comparison is not correct.

        And this fact is objectively confirmed by the most authoritative Arab countries that have established comprehensive relations with Jerusalem.

        Who are they? Why dont know? laughing
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 10: 04
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          Quote: 123
          The Yugoslav variant has already taken place in Syria. The whole question is in its legitimation. But it doesn't matter.

          In my opinion, a red revolutionary stump to you and not legitimation.

          Who are they? Why dont know? laughing

          Use newspapers. Even in the toilet. But you probably listen to Iranian radio more. )
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) April 4 2021 13: 45
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            Use newspapers. Even in the toilet. But you probably listen to Iranian radio more. )

            Thanks for the advice, I can't consider it wise. I do not recommend using newspapers even in the toilet, what kind of paint is not known, you will still bring in some kind of infection, for these purposes they have long come up with an "analogue" ask such rolls in the store ... they will show you. In terms of internal content, text in newspapers is often no better than the ink with which it is printed. I also do not recommend using the radio for the indicated purposes.
            As a matter of fact, do you have what to say? smile
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 19: 04
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              Quote: 123
              Use newspapers. Even in the toilet. But you probably listen to Iranian radio more. )

              Thanks for the advice, I can't consider it wise. I do not recommend using newspapers even in the toilet, what kind of paint is not known, you will still bring in some kind of infection, for these purposes they have long come up with an "analogue" ask such rolls in the store ... they will show you. In terms of internal content, text in newspapers is often no better than the ink with which it is printed. I also do not recommend using the radio for the indicated purposes.
              As a matter of fact, do you have what to say? smile

              I advised you to read newspapers, even in the toilet. What did you think about? However, you know better. Your practice in this direction is the criterion of truth. Yours.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) April 4 2021 19: 07
                +1
                I advised you to read newspapers, even in the toilet. What did you think about? However, you know better. Your practice in this direction is the criterion of truth. Yours.

                Read newspapers? Are you joking? In our time, who else is doing it?
                The question remains, in essence, do you have what to say?
  11. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) April 3 2021 09: 03
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    Quote: Wanderer039
    Well, you understand that the man has humarized and he meant Judaism. You have both Christians and Muslims there, and there are not all Jews in Israel, so start the Yugoslav scenario with yourself. Maybe after it, your endless war will also end

    Israel has long been implementing not even the Yugoslavian version (for this one must first create a federation, and then destroy it), but the Swiss one - cantonization. There is Israel itself, there are several internal Arab enclaves, there are three cantons of the Palestinian Authority and Gaza. There is no question of the collapse of Israel at all, the problem is only in the borders and conditions of demarcation between Israel itself and the PA.
    You can engage in boltology as much as you like and compare the situation in Israel and Syria, but this is precisely boltology.
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) April 3 2021 22: 02
      +1
      There is no question of the collapse of Israel at all, the problem is only in the borders and conditions of demarcation between Israel itself and the PA.

      And this question must be broadened and deepened, according to the precepts of one perestroika.
      You are going the right way .. smile
    2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 04: 55
      +1
      Israelis Should Repent of Sins, Not Teach Others
  12. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) April 3 2021 18: 26
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    Hello everyone, salam, shalom!
    Who worked in Arab countries and on what line? Who has someone from a family in Israel been treated with?
    Nobody, nobody and never?
    Good luck to everyone, members of the forum !!!
  13. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) April 4 2021 04: 52
    +1
    The Americans must set aside land for Jews in Alaska and the Israelis will move there to live. There will be peace and tranquility. And American guys will stop dying for the interests of Israel. Germany pays for all this. After all, it was not the Palestinians who chilled some of the Jews. Israel then did not exist at all.
  14. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) April 4 2021 11: 53
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    Quote: Spiritual
    Why is Iran afraid? For 30 years Israel has been threatening to destroy Iran, and when it was even weaker. Now, and even more so, it is too tough for the Jews. The Jews ignited the war in Syria, they thought to catch fish in troubled waters on the sly, but they got Iranians by their side. Israel has a cover in the future.

    Tell me frankly: Do you get some kind of perverted pleasure from your outright and shameless lies? Moreover, you do not give a single link to the source of your delusional fabrications. For example, Israel in its entire history, not a single one, I emphasize not a single time threatened to destroy Iran. Unlike Iran. Not a single publication, even the most hostile to Israel, claimed that Israel had unleashed a civil war in Syria. I will say more. Even Iran, represented by the Ayatollahs, did not think of this blatant lie and nonsense. Only you. As always, however, without citing the source. Just to blurt out. Answer, not for me, I know, for myself: why would Israel change the Syrian border, which was calm in the past, for an unstable adjacent territory?
    And in fact, Syria safely, thanks to the Assad family, has sunk to the Yugoslavian version. Q.E.D.
  15. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) April 4 2021 14: 31
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    Quote: 123
    What a strange position Sami say that without Assad it will be worse, but at the same time it's not bad? Or are you planning to clone it on several states?

    The problem is that with Assad, after the civil war, it will be impossible. It was necessary to think BEFORE. Assad can only stay in the Alawite part.

    In the current conditions, we must talk about the least worst case.

    You yourself named him - Assad.

    No, it was BEFORE the civil war. Today he is acceptable only as a figure for legitimizing the process.

    Is not a fact. It is necessary to drive the occupiers, the country will be restored. In cases of partition, what better life will be?

    Do not confuse the desired and the possible. Better and worse when sectioning concepts are conditional. Divorce itself is inevitable, even if it is bad.

    And Syria will reconcile that its territory is being taken away? In the event of the formation of new states, they will also have national minorities. Will they not be oppressed? Will the problems disappear?

    What is Syria? Who are the Syrians? You don't quite understand the priorities of the Arabs. Even in Egypt, less than half of the citizens consider themselves Egyptians (and this is the only established state in the modern sense). The Arabs have different priorities, for them the family is in the first place - the Hamula and the state is in the tenth place. Safeguarding the interests of one's own Hamula and ethnic group is much more important than the interests of the state as a whole.

    You did not mention another external force that corrected most of the "idiotic mistakes", is it also anti-Israel?

    Therefore, he did not mention that this force did not destroy the system, but tried to preserve it. And this power was right in that it is better to keep a not the best system than to have chaos. I do not consider it anti-Israel. It makes sense to be wary of it, but as long as Putin is in power, it will not be anti-Israel.

    because Israel is an interested party, interested in weakening the neighboring unfriendly state with which it is at war. The position is quite understandable, but not disinterested.

    No! Centralized Syria suited us much better. It is not dangerous to us for a long time, and deterrent intimidation against a weak system is much more effective than intimidation against a bunch of Indians, even religious fanatics. Well, the emergence of Iran and its proxy near our borders happened precisely because of the Yugoslav scenario, which did not suit us at all, but which is inevitable.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) April 4 2021 14: 41
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      Quote: AlexZN
      Assad can only stay in the Alawite part.

      Alexzn, and Mr. Zelensky can only stay in the Jewish part? laughing
  16. Solomon Offline Solomon
    Solomon (alexey salomon) April 30 2021 13: 27
    +1
    Jews are the ancestors of fascism! Read the story ... What is "Judeo-Fascism"