Why Moscow seeks to support Ukrainians at its own expense


Despite the fact that Russia has long been officially recognized as an "aggressor" in Ukraine, and Kiev and Moscow exchanged mutual sanctions, mutual trade is still preserved between our countries. According to the Ukrainian State Customs Service, the Russian Federation is one of the three largest business and trade partners of Nezalezhnaya, only slightly behind China and Germany. How justified can such policies The Kremlin?


Over the past 2020, Russia supplied goods worth $ 4,6 billion to Ukraine, and imported $ 2,5 billion from there. Nezalezhnaya sells to the "aggressor" grain, ferrous metals, as well as fats and oils of animal and vegetable origin. Much more interesting is the list of what Kiev receives in return from our country. These are mineral fuel, oil and oil products (by the way, tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fueled with Russian diesel fuel), cars and other ground vehicles, equipment and mechanical devices, boilers and reactors, fuel for nuclear power plants. Money, of course, does not smell, but this little list inevitably makes you think about a lot.

The most curious thing is that some domestic state corporations are ready to sponsor a country that has officially declared us an "aggressor" and has enshrined in its Constitution the goal of joining NATO's anti-Russian military bloc, virtually free of charge. Here is what Ukrainian economist Boris Kushniruk said about this in an interview with the respected German edition of DW:

Nuclear reactors, boilers, some machines, as well as nuclear fuel for Ukrainian nuclear power plants are really critical imports. Here we depend on Russia. And also with regard to the processing of spent nuclear fuel, which Ukraine sends to Russia, because we do not have our own factories.

Indeed, there are five nuclear power plants (NPPs) in Ukraine, of which four are in operation. In terms of such an indicator as the number of operating reactors, Nezalezhnaya is in the honorable fifth place in Europe. For obvious reasons, the Ukrainian nuclear power industry is historically and organically linked with the Russian one, since all its nuclear power plants were designed and built under the USSR. Reactors of the VVER-1000 and VVER-440 types were technologically created for the fuel of the Russian company TVEL (part of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom). However, for political reasons, Kiev announced plans to phase out domestic fuel for its nuclear power plants and switch to the products of the American corporation Westinghouse.

Well, this choice is the sovereign right of Ukraine, as well as the burden of responsibility for possible consequences in the form of a radiation accident. Let's leave it out of brackets, here we are interested in something else. Last February, the state corporation proudly reported that the Russian side is still fulfilling its contractual obligations in full. According to the agreement between TVEL and NNEGC Energoatom, which manages all Ukrainian NPPs, fuel assemblies must be delivered until the end of the service life of all power units. And all would be fine, but it turns out that Rosatom supplies nuclear fuel to Kiev de facto free of charge. Representative of NNEGC "Energoatom" Pyotr Kotin in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of "Censor.net" explained that the state-owned company had a debt of $ 430 million to contractors and suppliers. At the same time, most of this debt falls on unpaid deliveries of Russian nuclear fuel, Kotin said:

In front of TVEL there is. This is the big part.

But Nezalezhnaya has no debts to the American company Westinghouse. Such are the things. That is, TVEL, a subdivision of the Russian state corporation Rosatom, is borrowing fuel assemblies for Energoatom's nuclear reactors. They generate electricity, which Ukrainian consumers do not pay in full. According to Petr Kotin, their total debt to the operator is $ 875 million. With all this, Kiev has money to pay for the services of the American Westinghouse, but the Russian TVEL does not.

"Great". Someone will say that money does not smell. Let's object: it doesn't smell like money at all. There is clear financing of a hostile state to the detriment of Russia's national interests. But why is this done then?

It is impossible to answer this question unambiguously due to the absence of a clearly formulated and voiced policy towards Ukraine by the Kremlin. Who is she to us - a former friend with whom we must try to reconcile and get along? Or is it an implacable fierce enemy right at the gate, which must be eliminated at any cost? Let's figure it out.

If Nezalezhnaya is our friend, and we care about the needs and aspirations of its people, then how is Moscow going to settle the issue of the status of Crimea with Kiev? Ukraine is not a fully sovereign state; it is under external control from the United States and the European Union. Washington will never allow Kiev to resolve the "Crimean problem" amicably, recognizing the Russian peninsula. He will not give "free" to Nezalezhnaya either. Consequently, reconciliation is impossible in principle. If Ukraine today is an enemy for Russia, then why then are we exporting there such a quantity of mechanical engineering products and equipment, as well as diesel fuel, which is used to refuel the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, that Russians have been nightmares in Donbass for the seventh year? Why does the state corporation "Rosatom" supply nuclear fuel to Ukrainian nuclear power plants, and does it for free? To support the economy a hostile state, allowing it to free up additional funds for further militarization and preparation of a military revenge against the DPR and LPR?

Sorry, of course, but it's time to decide on the "cross and cowards", if you know what this is about. And for a long time.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 12 March 2021 11: 46
    +2
    The real motto for US foreign policy has become the following dictum of Brzezinski:

    A new world order with US hegemony is being created against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the rubble of Russia.

    It remains to be seen which of the followers of Brzezinski is trying to help Ukraine. After all, they could at least take water for the Crimea for this money from the Dnieper.
    1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 March 2021 14: 42
      -9
      Are you sure he said that? He is credited with a lot.
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 12 March 2021 12: 07
    +1
    Formally, everything is correct, in fact, you need to delve into the details.
    For an ordinary person, the amount of debt is impressive, for Rosatom it is so-so, about nothing. What I mean is that it may just be a one-time debt for one single delivery, and tragedies are not made of this and the transition to prepayment is still ahead.
    Rosatom may have other motives for doing this. Conversion to nuclear power plants on American fuel will take decades. Perhaps it was considered correct and expedient to slow down this process, even after incurring some financial losses.
    It can also be the "peculiarities" of the contract signed many years ago, something like gas supplies to Europe. Fines must be set differently, and the rest is your problem.
    I am not claiming that this is so, but I would like to know more details and details about this process before jumping to conclusions. Nuclear energy is not an industry where one wants to make drastic moves. As practice shows, accidents there do not whine anything good to neighbors, including us. Chernobyl I hope nobody forgot?
    And there can be no debt to the Americans, by definition, I am 99% sure that it was repaid at the expense of incoming loans. Ukraine did not even see this money, only they passed the registration, and added to the national debt laughing
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 12: 25
      +5
      Ukraine does not pay money to the Russian Federation on the state debt, has not fulfilled the contract for the supply of engines for frigates of project 11356, and you are afraid to violate the contract with Ukraine ... With Ukraine, which does not fulfill its obligations to the Russian Federation ... Are you, excuse me, out of your mind? ! As for me, your arguments are frankly not smart!
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 12 March 2021 12: 30
        0
        I'm not afraid of anything. The details of this situation and the motives of Rosatom are not clear to me.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 12: 31
          +7
          And there the motive is clear, his name is Kirienko and the company of kO, kO, kO, such as Grib and others, with which Putin has surrounded himself, so we sit, bowing to every beast sick of Russophobia, which should have long been put in place. You talk to such people and hear that Russia owes them all, because we are supposedly one country, but as for the interests of the Russian Federation, they don’t owe us anything, because they are like they are the owners there ... should not, then we even more so ... Ukraine did not intend to fulfill the Minsk agreements from the beginning, but after all, someone from Putin's entourage imposed them on the Russian Federation ... and certainly not out of patriotic feelings towards the Russian Federation
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 12 March 2021 12: 38
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            Why did Kiriyenko not please? Under him, Rosatom became world leaders. Now he works in a new place, since October last year under sanctions for poisoning Ovalny's cowards. I find it difficult to say who the Mushroom is.
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 12: 39
              +4
              And the fact that the interests of the Russian Federation are in last place for all these patriots of Ukraine, such as Chernomyrdin and company
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 12 March 2021 12: 41
                -2
                I don't see any reason to stir up Chernomyrdin's body. To Kiriyenko, what is the essence of the claims?
                1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 12: 42
                  +3
                  Are you stupid, or are you pretending? The meaning of the Russian Federation is to support the economy of a country that is engaged in the genocide of the Russian people and yells at every corner that it is at war with the Russian Federation ?!
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 12 March 2021 12: 48
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                    And I say that it needs to be supported? belay
                    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 12: 53
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                      You are asking why the head of RosAtom, which supports Ukrainian nuclear power plants, did not please me ?! I wrote to you that I do not think this act is smart and in the interests of the Russian Federation! The same applies to other things, such as the sale of engines, fuel and the like to Ukraine ... which can be used by Ukraine in the process of the genocide of the Russian people!
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 12 March 2021 12: 57
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                        Alexey Evgenievich Likhachev, Director General of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom since 2016.


                        Biography on the link. You will not believe any attitude towards Ukraine, and even the surname does not end with a CO.
                        https://rosatom.ru/about/management/director/

                        Concerning
                        "sales of engines, fuel and the like to Ukraine"
                        I'm not a supporter. There is something to discuss and not everything is simple either.
                      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 14: 37
                        +2
                        So after Kirienko SV left this position, nothing has changed, and the surname is not Russian yet. There is a Bandera soldier Serebryakov, the surname is Russian, and the man is dill ... The Russian does not need Ukraine, he has Russia, and this is why foreign countries are dearer than Russia, so they do not consider it their Motherland. The fact that Wikipedia does not have data about his parents and wife only confirms my assumptions about this type
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 12 March 2021 15: 28
                        +1
                        So after Kirienko SV left this position, nothing has changed,

                        the essence of the claims against Kiriyenko, you have not identified.

                        and the surname is not Russian yet. There is a Bandera soldier Serebryakov, the surname is Russian, and the man is dill ..

                        Then why excuse me ...., are you looking for names on the CO?

                        The Russian does not need Ukraine, he has Russia, and this is why foreign countries are dearer than Russia, which means they do not consider her Motherland.

                        So Kiriyenko and Likhachev don't consider Russia their homeland? Did you decide that yourself?
                        What a Russian needs, let me decide for myself, I'll figure it out without you.
                        Dig further on Wikipedia, look for roots sad It's your problems.
                        For me, Bagration, Bagryamyan, Timoshenko and Rokosovsky are Russian commanders, Bellingshausen is a Russian navigator and discoverer, and he is no worse than Lazarev, and Pushkin is a Russian poet, and Eisinstein is a director.
                      4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 16: 29
                        +2
                        As for me, I marked it clearly, that you do not understand here, I do not understand. Anyone who supports the fascist Bandera state, pursuing a policy of genocide of the Russian people, harms both the Russian Federation and its indigenous population, because he commits a crime against the Russian Federation! In Russia, there was an admiral with Scandinavian roots, Alexander Ivanovich Cruz, only he did not sell diesel fuel and other nishtyaks to foreign states, shouting that they were fighting with Russia, and the Swedish fleet beat so that it was expensive to watch ... something like that ... It's just that a person is so nice, nothing happens, a Russian won't go to war for Ukraine, he has Russia, so there is Bandera's ancestors KO, KO, KO, from them Bandera's animal was born. In Nepal, it is not for nothing that the citizenship of the country is granted only to the descendants of Nepalese and Nepali ... half-breeds and foreigners are unreliable
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 12 March 2021 16: 50
                        0
                        We are not Nepal. Remember how many nationalities there are in one Dagestan? How are you going to measure blood?
                      6. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 18
                        +2
                        My dear, as you won't understand, it's not about the indigenous peoples and peoples living in the Russian Federation, they have no other country, it's about the people living in the Russian Federation and at the same time having their own states independent of the Russian Federation, often hostile to the Russian Federation, or related to the Russian Federation negatively, it is often not necessary to expect from such a good Russian Federation, and not from the Chukchi, or the Dagestanis, who at one time volunteered for the militia, against the Dudayev jackals, Bandera, forest brothers and other riffraffs who fought in Chechnya against the Russian Federation
                      7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 30
                        +2
                        Just look at how many Georgians and Ukrainians were recently arrested by the FSB for espionage against the Russian Federation and all these traitors served in the Russian army ... live in the Russian Federation and call the Ukrainian embassy, ​​informing about the movement of military units of the Russian Federation and there are such ... We must fight this and the harder the better.
                      8. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 12 March 2021 20: 38
                        +3
                        But am I against it? request
                  2. alexxnumx Offline alexxnumx
                    alexxnumx (Alexander) 12 March 2021 18: 21
                    -4
                    Hmm .. the arguments of reason do not reach you. Everything is straightforward with you - the aggressor country and so on. Looks like Zhirinovsky
                2. Valentine Offline Valentine
                  Valentine (Valentin) 12 March 2021 16: 59
                  +4
                  Actually, I agree with you with many of your comments on this site, but ... no matter how you say it, but in our time, consanguinity with a certain ethnic group prevails in almost all areas of our life, here is a fresh example for you- Liberal Navalny publicly declared that he is now much more Ukrainian than Russian, and that almost says it all, I'm not talking about Pashinin, Gorbunov, Ponomarev, etc. ..... But what our leadership is doing now on relation to the already non-brotherly country to us, supplying them with all the energy resources, on which all their military equipment works, from which they kill the peaceful people of Donbass, is a complete misunderstanding.
                3. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 12 March 2021 17: 05
                  -1
                  Nowadays, a Ukrainian is more of a political orientation than a nationality. laughing Klimkin an illustrative example yes
                  About the guide ..
                  I did not delve into how much of what is going on. As far as I remember, oil products do not go directly, correct if I am mistaken. This is not the point. Let's say they blocked everything. What will change? All this will come from Lukashenka. Will you block it all for him too? Or threateningly prohibit selling there?
                4. Valentine Offline Valentine
                  Valentine (Valentin) 12 March 2021 17: 13
                  +5
                  They are coming, and how, because now we even supply them with wheelsets for their cars, which Ukraine supplied us a year ago, and without these pairs, it cannot move its equipment along the railway. to the front line with the LDNR, and you can't drive 47 ton tanks through the black soil.
                5. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 12 March 2021 17: 28
                  +3
                  As far as I remember, the situation looks like this about wheelsets:
                  Previously, they were bought in Ukraine, then they set up production at home and stopped taking them, then they increased the production of cars, their production could not cope, purchases in Ukraine were resumed. Now we have increased our own production, they stopped taking it, and now we get cheaper products. Ukraine is buying now, in my opinion it is going to the Kryukovsky carriage building. There is still some kind of pneumatics supplied ...
                  They will not take from us, they will do it themselves (production has not completely bent down) or buy from others. As a result, there will be wagons anyway. What will we achieve with this ban?
                6. Valentine Offline Valentine
                  Valentine (Valentin) 12 March 2021 17: 46
                  +5
                  But is it really only about these wheelsets, because according to the latest data, we delivered something to them for the last year for $ 5,7 billion, and they gave us $ 2,5 billion,
                  and after all, a war is approaching, and with a lot of blood, and we feed their economy and army, for which our children will then pay with their lives.
                7. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 12 March 2021 18: 32
                  0
                  Believe it or not, I am not in favor of deliveries to Ukraine and I am not delighted with this. request
                  I'm just showing you how and why. Let's try to calmly, without nerves, figure out what we gain or lose from this. What will we achieve in this way. There, too, there are many who want to end all relations with the "aggressor country" up to and including the prohibition of the vaccine. Here I gave you an example with wheelsets. Above it is written about fuels and lubricants. Explain how refusing to trade in these cases will help? Want to consider others.
                8. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 08
                  +4
                  Yes, we do not gain anything from trade with Ukraine. There is nothing there that the Russian Federation could not produce on its territory, so the purchase of Ukrainian goods is only to the detriment of domestic producers, and the sale of goods to Bandera that can be used for military purposes against the Russian Federation and the Russians is a crime that should be punished in a criminal procedure, under the article High treason. It will help elementary. Dill will have to buy fuel and diesel in the west, and ours, but with an overpayment, means they will be able to buy less than from us directly, which is only for the benefit of the Russian Federation, as well as the development of domestic industry and the domestic agricultural sector, to the detriment of which Ukrainian goods are purchased. The quality of Ukrainian cars was low, so let them build their own and not buy them in the Russian Federation, there is nothing to supply the enemy army with good cars, let them drive their own shit, they will break down more often, the Armed Forces will have more problems, less mobility, more repair costs.
                9. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 12 March 2021 20: 22
                  0
                  They will not buy any kind of fuel in the West, for this there is Lukashenka. And not only fuel. He will sell them everything they need. He will take it from us and sell it to them. That's all the closure. It is impossible to keep different levels of liquid in communicating vessels. To do this, the Belarusian valve must be closed. And he is not alone. The goods will still arrive there and to us, but more expensive, with a mark-up of intermediaries. As far as I understand, something goes through all the Arabs. For example, the plane is assembled, but the engine is never produced for it. Here's the magic.



                  I think until the gas pipeline is completed, nothing will change at all, too big losses will crumble in the event of a transit shutdown.
                10. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 25
                  +3
                  Lukashenka can be bet on cancer, at the expense of time, if he sells even a drop of gasoline to Ukraine. Without the help of the Russian Federation, the economy of the Republic of Bashkortostan and personally the Sly One will not last long, and the Sly One himself, his red-and-white Nazis, with whom he lisps, will be pulled up on an aspen, together with his son ... There is no magic, the engines on the Be-200 are now installed by US and this is also a problem, you have to make your own before it's too late
                11. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 12 March 2021 20: 32
                  +2
                  Is it possible? Why haven't they delivered it yet? He is in no hurry to sign anything for the union state. They will press on this side and begin to cooperate with others. We will get about the same as now the Balts. Until the issue with Belarus is resolved, it is generally difficult to do something.
                  I didn't know about the engines, thanks for the information. And what kind of engine?
                12. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                  Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 48
                  +5
                  This is a question for Putin, why is he bowing to Lukashenko, Chubais, Gorbachev and the like ... to the detriment of the Russian Federation ?! Yes, no one will cooperate with him, and if he has not yet understood that, it means he does not deserve to live and rule the Republic of Belarus, they will overthrow him without the Russian Federation, hang his red-and-white Natsiks on the aspen, there he deserves, anyway everything will end there like Ukraine, because he regularly flirts with his red-and-white Nazis and will play out like Yanukovych ... I don't remember exactly, I think Pride-Whitney Houston. There was also a French SaM146
                13. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 12 March 2021 21: 34
                  -1
                  How do I know? Maybe there are circumstances about which we know nothing. Lukashenka’s fate does not matter to me, but I don’t like the process of "overthrowing the red-white Natsiks". We get a second Ukraine. Do we need it?

                  SaM146 is the same one that is on the Superjet. In principle, it should fit the characteristics yes
                14. bear040 Offline bear040
                  bear040 13 March 2021 12: 18
                  +4
                  Unfortunately, Lukashenka, like all the tsars who separated from Russia, builds his independence on Russophobia and on the clucking of Bandera, like Ukraine is not Russia, he is flirting with the Nazis and will play to the point that they will overthrow him, like Yanukovych ... Yes The SaM146 is the one on the Superjet, but the motor is not very good, its resource is small and it has imported parts. There is information that the Moscow Salute began to produce the 1D-436TP engines, which are now being installed on the Be-200, but how much production is deployed and whether there are completely domestic components is still a question.
          2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 12 March 2021 21: 30
            +3
            engines on the Be-200 are now installed by US

            Where did you get this information ??
            Explain.

            PS

            Initially, due to the severance of relations with Ukraine, the Ministry of Industry and Trade planned to replace the Ukrainian engines with the Russian-French SaM146 from the PowerJet JV, which are installed on the SSJ 100. According to one of the managers of the aviation industry, this option was considered optimal for the transition period. The SaM146 made it possible to launch the production of the remotorized Be-200 by the end of 2020, while Perm Motors would finish the Russian analogue.

            The downside of the Russian-French engine was that its "hot part" is produced in France, which is a NATO member. This option is unacceptable for the main internal customers - the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Defense. This was indicated by the Prosecutor General's Office, emphasizing the inexpediency of the experimental design work on the remotorization of the Be-200 worth 13 billion rubles.
          3. bear040 Offline bear040
            bear040 13 March 2021 12: 21
            +4
            After the break with Ukraine, what they didn’t install on the Be-200, now they seem to be putting on 1D-436TP, which is produced by the Moscow Scientific and Research Center Salyut.
  • Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
    Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 14 March 2021 12: 04
    -2
    Contracts are violated by Kiev, and most of the Ukrainians are only called Kiev Ukrainians, but in fact they are Russians. Now think.
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 12: 22
    +4
    The problem is that in the Russian Federation there are patriots of foreign states, such as Chernomyrdin, who use their official position to the detriment of the Russian Federation. To stop this chaos, the Russian Federation needs to adopt a law on citizenship modeled on Saudi Arabia, so that only the indigenous population, and not patriots of foreign countries, for which the Russian Federation is not a motherland, but a cash cow, can occupy the leading posts of the Russian Federation.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 March 2021 14: 04
      -1
      Quote: Sapsan136
      The problem is that in the Russian Federation there are patriots of foreign states, such as Chernomyrdin, who use their official position to the detriment of the Russian Federation.

      So PMC died long ago ...
      PS
      Personally, I would call other names smile
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 14: 32
        +4
        So Putin called the name of Chernomyrdin, through whose fault the frigates of the Russian Federation were left without engines, a new icebreaker, which means that he did not draw the right conclusions from his rotten actions
      2. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 12 March 2021 17: 04
        +2
        So after all, it was under the apothecary Zurabov and Chernomyrdin the accordionist that this nationalist chaos began in the "nezalezhnaya".
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 02
          +4
          It began there a long time ago, or rather never ended. The same Kravchuk does not hide the fact that from an early age he was a member of the UPA and UNA-UNSO.
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 March 2021 07: 33
          +3
          It seems to me that everything started there much earlier ...
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 March 2021 14: 07
      0
      Unfortunately, this will not help either, liberalism is also the indigenous population, but what is it doing with the country?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 14: 33
        +4
        Who is this, for example? The drunken hohlushka Sobchak, or the Israelis who got lost in the Russian Federation, with Echo Matza ?!
        1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
          rotkiv04 (Victor) 12 March 2021 15: 31
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          well, for example, some of the most odious Siluanov with Nabiulina, but there are a dime a dozen of them
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 16: 25
            +3
            Nothing just happens. So there are Bandera, Basmachi and forest brothers in the family. The same Khrushchev wrote on Wikipedia for a long time that they were like Khrushchev's wife, as if he was married to his own sister, and he was married to Banderovka by the name of Kukharenko, but no one ever hid the name of Brezhnev's wife ... so that everything in this World is not for nothing ...
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 12 March 2021 19: 35
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              Nothing just happens. So there are Bandera, Basmachi and forest brothers in the family.

              Sorry, you are ethnically pure who ??

              And who, from your point of view, is now expressing your opinion in the political field of Russia?
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 19: 55
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                I do not claim that I am ethnically pure, but I have no relatives abroad, because I am a Russian Tatar. That's right, because my grandmother was mixed with Tatar blood. So it makes no sense for me to plow for foreign countries, and I have no other country except Russia. As for the political field, it is more difficult, I can only say that Yavlinsky, Nemtsovs, Novodvorsky, Navalny, Sobchak, Makarevich, Chubais and the like make me sick. It would be my will to kick them out of the Russian Federation!
                1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                  Ulysses (Alexey) 12 March 2021 20: 30
                  +4
                  You are not alone with these characters.
                  Why kicks?
                  It is enough to create a field of total rejection of their opinions, to push them away from power.
                  With the exception of the redhead, the rest are now out of business, the unsinkability of Chubais is also a mystery to me.

                  For me, Russia is also my country, and my grandfather's mother has Ukrainian blood.
                  I don’t know under what circumstances grandmother found a Ukrainian in Siberia, but grandfather fought heroically, in anti-tank artillery.
                  He ended the war in Courland.

                  However, our country is multinational, and it has always been costly to wave a sword in this topic.
                  Remember the collapse of Yugoslavia.

                  PS After the collapse of the USSR, my nephew stayed to live in Lithuania.
                  The son of a Russian and a Lithuanian.
                  Russophile, although he was born in 1984 and we only have arrivals ..
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2021 20: 38
                    +2
                    And why feed the enemies of the country and its indigenous population at their own expense, and at the same time constantly expect them to be stabbed in the back on the streets of their own cities ?! It is better to deport VON from the Russian Federation and let Zelensky feed them there ... So Yugoslavia suffered from foreigners whom it allowed into its territory, like Russia Ukrainians to Donbass, Kharkov, etc. ... Croats are not the indigenous population of Yugoslavia and the land there it does not belong to them, but they occupied it ... through the fault of the slobtiyev, in the power of Serbia. The Croats fought for Hitler, against Yugoslavia ... It would be more correct to expel them in 1945 from the territory of Yugoslavia in the neck, or to drive them into Hitler's concentration camps until the ovens have cooled down ... Then either we have them, or they have us , the third is not given ... And Ukraine, I'm sorry, but Russia regularly betrays ... and I don't believe them anymore .... I will never believe again.
                    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 12 March 2021 21: 52
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                      So Yugoslavia suffered from foreigners, whom it allowed into its territory, like Russia Ukrainians to Donbass, Kharkov, etc.Croats are not the indigenous population of Yugoslavia and the land does not belong there, but they occupied it... due to the fault of the slobtiyev, in the power of Serbia.

                      Historical information

                      The modern history of the former Yugoslavia begins in 1918, when the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (Kingdom of SHS) was formed. The date of the creation of the state is December 1, 1918when Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Dalmatia and Vojvodina - the Yugoslavian lands that belonged to the disintegrated Austria-Hungary in the fall of 1918, united with the kingdoms of Serbia and Montenegro.

                      National composition: Serbs, Croats, Bosnians (Slavs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman yoke), Slovenes, Macedonians, Albanians, Hungarians, Rusyns, Gypsies, etc.

                      http://www.srpski.ru/countries/former_yugoslavia/

                      PS The source is Serbian, you shouldn't be more Serbian than themselves ..
                      1. bear040 Offline bear040
                        bear040 13 March 2021 12: 28
                        +4
                        Serbian sources are a relative concept, for in Serbia and Washington's slaves there are also fans of Serbia's entry into NATO. Even before Yugoslavia, Serbia was there and the Croatian lands were exactly Serbian. Croatians are alien people and very rotten. The Yankees themselves, in heart-to-heart conversations, recognize the Croats as bandits.
                      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                        Ulysses (Alexey) 13 March 2021 21: 51
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                        Serbian sources are a relative concept, because in Serbia and Washington's slaves there are also fans of Serbia's entry into NATO. Even before Yugoslavia there was Serbia and the Croatian lands were exactly Serbian.

                        To claim "Greater Serbia" you must have somewhat more than memories.
                        We, too, on occasion will be reminded of who originally lived in Siberia before Yermak. repeat

                        A strong state with internal tranquility is a guarantee of at least its indivisibility.

                        And we have everything for this.
                        Russia can only be destroyed by internal turmoil.
                        Proven by history.
                      3. Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
                        Wanderer039 13 March 2021 21: 56
                        +4
                        Well, we do not behave in Siberia like Croats in Yugoslavia, so the comparison here is incorrect.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 March 2021 14: 03
    +3
    Ha. The answer is obvious. For a realist)))

    1) If “Why Moscow seeks to support Ukrainians at its own expense” is a question, but under the article it is, then a question mark should be put.
    2) If "Why Moscow seeks to support Ukrainians at its own expense" is an explanation, then "?" not needed, but the article should contain answers ...

    And so, not that, and not that ...
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 12 March 2021 15: 56
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    The Kremlin encourages and largely finances the building of a fascist state in Ukraine, so that our people would value stability more and shun any changes in power. In addition, trade with Ukraine is always monstrous corruption, a kickback paradise for traders.
  • alexxnumx Offline alexxnumx
    alexxnumx (Alexander) 12 March 2021 18: 28
    +3
    Quote: Sapsan136
    The problem is that in the Russian Federation there are patriots of foreign states, such as Chernomyrdin, who use their official position to the detriment of the Russian Federation. To stop this chaos, the Russian Federation needs to adopt a law on citizenship modeled on Saudi Arabia, so that only the indigenous population, and not patriots of foreign countries, for which the Russian Federation is not a motherland, but a cash cow, can occupy the leading posts of the Russian Federation.

    Chernomyrdin has been gone for a long time - ay .. did you sleep in the mausoleum?
    "foreign state patriots" - why are you smoking there .. just wondering?
    I would also agree that there are few competent leaders.
    We already have a citizenship law. Advise some bullshit from a hot head
  • ustal51 Offline ustal51
    ustal51 (Alexander) 13 March 2021 09: 41
    +1
    The only thing that remains to be recognized is the existence of an influential Ukrainian fifth column in Russia.
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 13 March 2021 12: 29
      +4
      Not only Ukrainian. Rot, sick with Russophobia, unites in a circle of interests and here we see everyone, from Zionists to Basmachi. Russophobic Jewry in the Russian Federation is represented mainly by immigrants from Polish Poland, who have hated Russia for centuries. Poland tried to conquer Russia, but in the end it itself fell into the Russian Empire, hence the hatred of Russians among the clear-headed Polish punks, who are still sick with Polish imperialism, dreaming of a great Poland, from sea to sea.
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  • Ragnarek Offline Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 14 March 2021 19: 21
    +2
    Why don't our merchants make money? We sell more than we buy. That's about buying from Ukraine, it's certainly not the case. Why should they give money to earn money, but apparently not everything has been replaced
  • Valery Radevich (Valery Radevich) April 6 2021 13: 07
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    There is a very active Jewish lobby in Washington that lobbies for the interests of Israel. There is an equally powerful Ukrainian lobby in Moscow, so draw your own conclusions.
  • michey_2 Offline michey_2
    michey_2 (michae x) 5 May 2021 18: 29
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    Soon in the Kremlin, the GDP will hold a lustration and the lafa for non-brothers will end. And for diesel fuel and to earn money only in the EU. Good luck.