Is Putin's "Long" Plan for Ukraine Working?


It can be argued with a high degree of certainty, as our Western "partners" like to say, that since the events of 2014, the biggest and longest "headache" for Russia has been the events in neighboring Ukraine, which the West has simply turned into its own anti-Russian foothold right next to us. ... With the exception of the only bright moment with the return of Crimea, everything else that is happening in this former fraternal Soviet republic in relation to the Russian Federation and its own not only Russian-speaking population can not be called a complete nightmare except as a complete nightmare. And all this cannot but worry the Russian leadership.


At the same time, the majority of its own citizens accuse this very leadership of a too soft attitude towards the openly Nazi regime that came to power in a neighboring country after the coup d'etat of 2014, and most importantly, the position of the Russian Federation on Donbass, which is not very clear to ordinary people. That is, the position is something like it is - "We will not quit Donbass!" - our leaders say, but ...

We won't quit, but ...


But there are still a lot of all sorts of these "buts", in all the nuances of which it is extremely difficult for an ordinary citizen to navigate. And these are their own economic interests, which, albeit in a truncated state, are still significant for the Russian Federation and individual Russian companies in Ukraine, and Nord Stream-2, which we cannot complete in any way, and any other sanctions / unsanctioned relations with the consolidated West, including the latter's open attempts to undermine the Russian regime by all means from within, and the unclear position of our other neighbors, including the post-Soviet states, and sufficient military risks, and much more, including purely humanitarian problems of the life of people in the so-called territories with unrecognized or undefined international status. And this applies not only to Donbass now or in the future, but also to Crimea, and not only to it.

Could there be some kind of solution to the Ukrainian issue on the part of Russia, in which all these "buts" would be, if not resolved, then taken into account as much as possible in order to minimize possible negative consequences for the Russian Federation itself? It turns out that it can. And perhaps there is such a plan ...

Plan. One of the possible


The most reasonable way out of this situation is to "return to the home harbor" after the Crimean peninsula and the rest of the former Ukrainian SSR, with the exception of the very Probander part of it - Galicia, which in fact is not Ukraine and never was. Moreover, no matter how strange it may seem to someone, this option is likely to suit absolutely all players involved in the process, with the exception of the United States. But they, in principle, are generally not satisfied with everything that they do not do themselves or what they, at least, do not manage. So there is nothing new here. And Russia in this case does not just “kill two birds with one stone” - these same “birds with one stone” literally line up in a column one at a time and fall immediately at least ten. But more on that later ...

I understand that the question immediately arises here, "How can we return the rest of Ukraine to our home harbor?" And I would leave this for later, but first I looked at what it can give us. Proceeding from the fact that it is better to consider possible ways of achieving a goal after a realistic assessment of the importance of this goal itself. Is it worth it, to put it simply.

What can Russia get from this? To begin with, the seven-year conflict in Donbass will be ended, which takes lives of people almost every day. Water will go to Crimea, and there will also be a direct land connection, with the bridge already through. And the Sea of ​​Azov will again become internal. The constant humiliation and restriction of the rights of Russian-speaking citizens by the Nazi Ukrainian regime will finally end. We will get back under our control a huge territory with a population close to us of more than 30 million people, with a gigantic economic potential and even greater military-strategic importance on the European continent and in the Black Sea region. Belarus will be protected from three sides by our fraternal embrace. The presence of a common border with Transnistria will immediately solve not only the security problem of this region that has existed since the collapse of the USSR, but, quite possibly, will radically change. political alignment in Moldova itself. Yes, well, how could it be without a pipe - the entire Ukrainian (and in fact, Soviet) GTS and the issue of gas transit through it will cease to be a constant stumbling block in various foreign policy debates and even international commercial projects such as "SP-2", which, by and large account, only because of this and slow down constantly. Since the current Ukrainian administration will simply disappear from these contractual chains. How will this dangerous pseudo-state abscess itself disappear right on our borders, constantly creating so much pain and anxiety. And in general, this will definitely solve a lot of any other issues, both recently urgent and those that have arisen as a result of the collapse of the Union. Including the most common, human, everyday ones.

Many people I know personally are really afraid to go to Ukraine to visit their families or to the graves of loved ones - there were precedents: they beat and cut wheels in a car right in the cemetery just for Moscow license plates. Or you can, for example, ask our truckers: How do they feel on this godforsaken land? Many on the way to southern Europe would rather make a detour of several hundred kilometers through Belarus and the Schengen countries, just not to get there. Unfortunately, there are many such examples from ordinary life. That is, the benefits of returning all this to their home harbor are more than enough.

But, oddly enough, even some of our sworn “partners” in the West may well become beneficiaries in this situation. Europeans in general and Germans in particular will receive their gas transit without incidents, from all sides, at an affordable price and on predictable conditions. And they can continue to calmly build their "green energy" without fear of freezing, if anything. And Europe, despite all its allegedly pro-Ukrainian rhetoric, is far from enthusiastic about the long-term smoldering armed conflict right on the doorstep of the "Schengen" - the criminogenic situation inevitably generated by all this, including the illegal circulation of a wide variety of weapons, inevitably seeps through not very well protected external borders of the EU. Everyone there got tired of the absolutely unpredictable actions of the Ukrainian leaders steeped in corruption.

And the most active East European NATO members - the Poles, most likely, immediately or a little later, but in one way or another will receive at their complete disposal a part of the Ukrainian territory, which previously was, one might say so, their property - this very Galicia. It is difficult to imagine that this piece of land, after separation from Ukraine, will remain at least somehow independent, if Nezalezhnaya itself did not succeed. The United States is unlikely to be interested in the direct management of such a "pot-bellied little thing" on a geopolitical scale - it will be blamed on its subordinates, and Poland is unlikely to have adequate competition among its neighbors, so there is nothing for it. This, by the way, will help to solve another important problem in this territory - the so-called Bandera movement.

Now the Poles tolerate all this in a neighboring country with difficulty, and that is solely out of modern political necessity, or maybe directly by order from across the ocean. But in the second half of the forties of the last century, immediately after the end of the war, when Bandera troops were also massively wielding on Polish and Czechoslovak soil, our Eastern European neighbors did not feel the slightest sympathy for them, even when they were not even then officially “fraternal and socialist ". And this is just in contrast to the same in the USSR, where, for the sake of allegedly preserving good interethnic relations within the country, the members of these gangs were treated too softly. Most of them were captured and disarmed from us, some of them later received a term, and many were generally amnestied and literally dismissed to their homes - the brotherly people, the Ukrainians ...

Now it is they and their offspring who are marching all over Ukraine with torches and under Nazi banners ... But the Czechs and Poles did not have such moral problems, and they simply destroyed them. Everyone. At the root. Such an order was received there at the very beginning of 1946, all parts of the army, police and border troops, aimed at eliminating armed bands. Even those Banderites who surrendered were, as a rule, shot immediately after interrogation - these people have done a lot of evil wherever they appeared. So, and for all their Russophobia, it is not worth expecting from the Poles some favors to the followers of these forest "heroes" - if Russians in Poland are disliked and afraid of, then they are not afraid of any Bandera scum at all, while they fiercely hate, and this is not even because of politics, but directly at the folk, genetic level. That is, we can expect from this a solution to another long-standing problem - debanderization, if I may say so. If someone does not believe, it is solely out of ignorance of history - the Poles will simply wipe them off the face of the earth as soon as they have a real opportunity to do so.

What will we get for this?


From the above, it follows that here, even with an obvious enemy, in some way, it is possible, albeit partially, but to come to an agreement - to conclude, so to speak, a mutually beneficial pact ... There has already been such a thing in history. Maybe an unspoken one ... They will shout there, of course, for the sake of order and they will shout with weapons at the border, and they themselves will simply wait for the completion of the operation. And if the Poles will not go to fight for Ukraine (and they will not go), then all the other Europeans will be even more so. Yes, and the Americans will not, it is not for nothing that they with all their might and everywhere emphasize: Ukraine is not NATO. Unnecessary military machinery to sell, to incite to Russia is one thing, but because of all this, to enter a new World War with an enemy equal in strength is quite another.

Sanctions? Well it will be of course. Probably even tough. Maybe they will finally turn off Swift, although this is unlikely - how then to pay for the same oil and gas? Although we lived without Swift somehow before? So this time we will not die ... Maybe even a new "iron curtain" will appear ... But I hope that everyone who has brains has long understood that sanctions against the Russian Federation are not FOR something that Russia is doing something "wrong", it is against Russia in general. In order not to develop. Just because it is doing the right thing for itself and in every possible way sabotaging the process of its own destruction, so necessary for the West. In the nineties they already thought everything, the end of us ... We were glad. And here it is ... So all these same sanctions that they can, they will impose against us anyway. And if they don't find a pretext, they themselves blind him - Skripali, Navalny, chemical weapons, human rights, even doping from our Paralympians - all from the same series. Maybe more troops will be dragged to the borders, strike missiles will finally be openly placed in the mines of their European missile defense system.

The only difference will be that if the operation described is successful, it will not be just Russia that will resist all this, but something already much more similar to the Soviet Union. And this is a completely different alignment. In this case, they will have to put their "iron curtain" on their own borders, and not on the Russian-Ukrainian one. And our people will support, that's for sure. It will rally even more - this is our national trait. It is worth remembering the rise in patriotism that happened after the return of Crimea. And if it is all of Ukraine? ...

The possible prize in case of a win seems to have been sorted out. I understand that here now some will say - how much more money needs to be pumped into it, how much hard work to invest, how many different scum to re-educate, who have been massively raised there over the past thirty years ... It's all true. But only scum there is still far from the majority of the population, and everything else is also far from the first time for us. And it's worth it. Definitely. During the Great Patriotic War, we sacrificed millions of lives for this land, and at the same time it was in a much worse condition, from a purely technical point of view. And this time, such sacrifices will definitely not be needed. Yes, and these same scum, too, can be attracted to the restoration of everything that for thirty years they have gouged, as once the German prisoners of war. The most "fat" ones, who will not have time or will not want to escape to the West, organize accordingly, rigidly, and ... march in columns of four to the objects of the national economy. Yes, and dress them all, of course, in warm and comfortable work clothes - quilted jackets.

Now about "how"


There is no reason to expect that the regime in Ukraine that is no longer independent, which is, in fact, a Western protectorate, will be replaced in some legal way. Especially with a glance at the latest undertakings of the local authorities to harshly clean up everything that can be called the internal political opposition.

For the Crimean scenario, right now, on the entire Ukrainian territory, the free expression of the will of the population is unlikely to be ensured in the same way - there the base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol and some other serious forces acted as a guarantee. And this is all we have in Ukraine nowhere else. Until.

The absolutely marasmic actions of the Ukrainian authorities led by President Zelensky in recent years clearly indicate that Ukraine under their leadership is definitely not seeking any compromise with Russia and Donbass. Rather, the opposite is true. Although it is not entirely clear what, in fact, the local "elite" is counting on. Something like “abroad will help us”? - Yeah ... Already helped. On the example of vaccines, everything, in my opinion, has become quite clear. So does Kiev really believe that the West will shed the blood of its soldiers for them, not to mention endangering its own existence? No matter how strange it may seem, it seems that this is what they believe. All the better.

The most real hostilities in Donbass have already flared up with renewed vigor. Apparently, they will go only on the rise. Or if someone thinks that a hundred arrivals of heavy calibers a day is not a war, then what? That is, the Russian Federation, as the guarantor of the implementation of the Minsk Agreements, will clearly have to finally fulfill its responsibilities. Moreover, that is exactly what everyone demands from her.

The only question now is what framework Russia itself will limit itself to in this mission. And nothing else. If we consider the above-described plan, then a targeted, but massive missile strike on "places of decision-making", strategic depots and places of deployment of tactical forces, I think, will be just right. This is immediately after the official announcement of the peace enforcement operation - we, as they say in the classics, "honor the criminal code" and everyone's beloved International Law. And then it will be necessary to repeat, purely in a military sense, the experience of 1968 in Czechoslovakia - an exemplary seizure of an entire state, practically without losses and special excesses. And in this case, one can hardly count on a weak resistance of the population, such as the Czechoslovak one at that time - there is no one and nothing for people to stand for, and they understand this very well. The resistance of individual military units, most likely, will differ little from the Czech ones, and maybe in general this is exactly what the Crimean alignment will turn out to be - very likely. Theoretically, the "Czech version" can come out without a preliminary missile strike - I do not have adequate intelligence on Ukraine to assess the situation, but whoever needs it, I am sure, has it. So they know better. If possible, push active Banderlogists to Galicia. And leave the Poles there - let them figure it out. In my opinion, quite a realistic plan. As a reasoning on this topic. I am not a politician and not an active military leader - I can quite afford such reasoning. Purely in a theoretical plane, of course, not calling anyone to anything. And the real decision, of course, is in the hands of those who have real power in their hands.

Playing long?


Putin once, I remember, said: "... if a fight is inevitable, then you must hit first!" A fight with the Ukrainian regime, if you can call it that, seems to be inevitable. So, in this case, will our president behave in accordance with his own declared principles? Or is there some other plan? He himself has also said more than once that he is “playing the long game” ... But in the past seven years, in relation to today's Ukraine, it seems to me, this has been quite a long time. Everything that was supposed to become visible and understandable during this time has already become exactly that. And everything, even the longest, must have an end somewhere.

Someone will say that we are not ready for this yet - they say, we are not yet strong enough. And here I will turn to history again: June 1941 - when we were preparing for war! From the very beginning of the thirties almost! If not even earlier ... And our army then initially was certainly no worse than the German one, and intelligence worked, and there were no fools at the head of the state either ... But the enemy still managed to catch us by surprise ... the country is not lost. Then they beat everything back for a terrible price, with incredible efforts and terrible blood. Maybe you shouldn't repeat your own mistakes? Especially in the Second World War, which we set everywhere and everywhere to everyone, and most importantly to ourselves, as an example. After all, the fact that all really brotherly Ukrainian people are being prepared simply for slaughter, and in a war against us, is incomprehensible except to a complete idiot. And the space for retreat in our current position is already much less than in XNUMX ... So, we will wait again and again will not “succumb to provocations”? Or will we make the right decision and, most importantly, on time?
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 9 March 2021 08: 18
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    Belarus will be protected from three sides by our fraternal embrace.

    Yeah, and suffocate in them.
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 13: 11
      +15
      And Ukraine is now in whose "embrace" is so remarkably "flourishing" ????
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 9 March 2021 14: 32
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        That is, you agree with the message of my comment, cool)
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 14: 57
          +12
          You have strange conclusions ... Apparently, from all the rest of the information you receive, you draw them approximately according to the same algorithm, hence the rather stupid results ...
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 9 March 2021 16: 54
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            Why strange? I said that Belarus will suffocate in our fraternal embrace. You didn’t deny this, but turned the arrows to Ukraine, which is suffocating in the arms of the West.

            What was the answer - such was the conclusion from it.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 20: 09
              +11
              Ukraine, which is suffocating in the arms of the West.

              - interesting, here you are right, although even I did not say that laughing They themselves admitted, but about Belarus - somehow it is not noticeable that it "suffocates" ... This is a certain group of people, both there and in the West, claim something similar, but all economic indicators claim quite the opposite. And if we take the times of the USSR, we will see the same thing. So in whose arms is everyone suffocating? Certainly not in ours ...
      2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 10 March 2021 21: 15
        +5
        eh, Lesha-Lesha, you touched upon a sore subject, 150 thousand views per day, you haven't even read any comments, too, I think you will collect shit (although the plus signs give you hope, apparently, not everything is so bad here). On the topic - oh, if only it were! 7 years have passed, but things are still there! During this time, the Second World War has already ended, and we all cannot cope with the Ukronazists, my forecast is that we will continue to rake after them, losing the respect of our own people, spawning all kinds of khataskrayniks, who will tell you here that they don’t need Ukraine, feed the Ukrainians , let them die or take yada. Poor people do not understand that by doing so they are killing themselves and respect for the Russian Federation in the entire progressive world.

        The Chinese have this kind of execution, they tie the corpse of another person to a living person on his back and he walks with it, not being able to take it off until he dies from infection with the products of his decay. To me, the Russian Federation and Ukraine remind me of such a pair. Painful death! The Anglo-Saxons came up with such a savage execution for us. This, kaneshna, allegory, but you understood everything. I shake your hand, I'm with you!
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 11 March 2021 15: 13
          +5
          Hello Wolf! The allegory is vile, but, unfortunately, it is similar ... My only hope is that the one who is tied to our back is not yet dead ... Maybe those who tied it overlooked a bit ... Then we both have chances.
          1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 11 March 2021 19: 55
            +1
            I hope ... but I'm already sick of this half-corpse ... a new generation is growing up and it can't be remade, these people take the rewritten history for granted, and this is for life .. this is the point of no return!
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 12 March 2021 13: 42
              +3
              I think. max until the end of the year it's all somehow, but it will end ... I hope, as I wrote ...
    2. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
      Kofesan (Valery) 9 March 2021 18: 15
      +9
      And it depends on what kind of Belarus. Belorussia bel-chyrvonya will die of suffocation, that's true. That's where she goes. But Belarus, with a flying stork over woodland, she will be alive alive. And finally, not only Belarusians will appear there, but also Russians living in Minsk, Baranovichi, Kirovsk, Brest, Vitebsk, Novopolotsk or Orsha. Or have you already decided that there are none of them?
      And, by the way, happy birthday to Gagarin, you. A Soviet Russian guy who became the first cosmonaut thanks to the joint efforts of the whole country, which then did not pay attention to the column in the passport. Maybe that's why it became the first.
      1. Captain stoner Offline Captain stoner
        Captain stoner (Captain Stoner) 9 March 2021 21: 47
        -4
        And, by the way, happy birthday to Gagarin, you. Soviet Russian guy

        It is not very clear what kind of business Gagarin is involved in at all? He was from Smolensk.
        1. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
          Kofesan (Valery) 10 March 2021 07: 33
          0
          How "in what cases"?
          First, on March 9th. Secondly - In the museum of the city of Slutsk (near Baranovichi), there is a newspaper "Volzhskaya Kommuna" with the autograph of Yuri Gagarin and the inscription: "For the third step" of the East, which was developed by the designer Semyon Kosberg, a native of Belarus.
          They say that after the famous "let's go" Gagarin said: "Kosberg worked!" So the Belarusians, in Gagarin's flight, are also "in business."
          1. Captain stoner Offline Captain stoner
            Captain stoner (Captain Stoner) 10 March 2021 08: 26
            -6
            the newspaper "Volzhskaya Kommuna" with the autograph of Yuri Gagarin is kept

            Do not forget to also congratulate the editorial office and personally the editor-in-chief of the newspaper "Volzhskaya Kommuna", which Gagarin once signed.

            Finally, based on your intricate logic, it is also necessary to congratulate the governor of Kaluga, the administration of Kaluga and the region, and dear Kaluga residents: Tsiolkovsky, the "father of cosmonautics", lived there for many years, who put forward the idea of ​​space flights.
            In the very center of Kaluga, there is a very large memorial complex with a monument to the same Gagarin, which (the monument) is called by the locals a "ball".
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 March 2021 16: 27
              +4
              Sholom Arievich Kosberg was born in the Minsk province of the Russian Empire, when there was no trace of "Belarus". The same can be said about the "Ukrainian" Korolev, the "Ukrainian" Brezhnev, and so on.

              - good point, by the way! You can immediately see in what format all this really works and develops! Only in this way and in no other way!
              And now all these "independent and independent" have neither missiles, nor their designers, nor even decent media editors ... like the "Volzhskaya Kommuna" wink
          2. Cambustiologist Offline Cambustiologist
            Cambustiologist (Valery Volkov) 10 March 2021 08: 49
            +2
            Belarusians should be written with two "ss" because it is White Russia. This is where it all starts. They are Russians! You see, RUSSIANS. And nothing else. Until our people stop dividing by three, nothing will come of it.
            1. Rinat Offline Rinat
              Rinat (Rinat) 10 March 2021 10: 10
              -4
              Two ss in a row is an overseas borrowing. Therefore, I admit to write words in this way: 'Russian' and 'Belarusian', since such spellings correspond to the logic of constructing words-concepts in Russian. By the same logic, the words "Belarus", "Belarusian" are written with a, since this is an abbreviation from the original concept of Belaya Rus. What I have just suggested to you does not correspond to the accepted rules of writing. But I argue that some of these rules are absurd in nature and should be changed officially, and before that event, logical rules should be applied explicitly.
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              2. Captain stoner Offline Captain stoner
                Captain stoner (Captain Stoner) 10 March 2021 11: 10
                +1
                'Russian' and 'Belarusian', since the similar spelling corresponds to the logic of constructing words-concepts in Russian

                Excuse me, did you go to school at all? Did the Mowgli boy attend Russian lessons there?
                There, in Russian lessons, the words were sorted out piece by piece. Russian: rus - root, ck - suffix, uy - ending. And do not come up with all sorts of nonsense, all the rules of the Russian language have long been invented, only the boobies do not want to learn them: ((
                1. Rinat Offline Rinat
                  Rinat (Rinat) 10 March 2021 13: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Captain Stoner
                  Excuse me, did you go to school at all? Did the Mowgli boy attend Russian lessons there?
                  There, in Russian lessons, the words were sorted out piece by piece. Russian: rus - root, ck - suffix, uy - ending. And do not come up with all sorts of nonsense, all the rules of the Russian language have long been invented, only the boobies do not want to learn them: ((

                  I'm sorry for the "mowgli boy".
                  I repeat my words:

                  Quote: Rinat
                  I argue that some of these rules are absurd in nature

                  I went to school and therefore, from there I know the rules of writing. "Mowgli boy" will not argue about the nonsense of any rules there. He does not know them at all, from the word at all.
                  Goonies, by virtue of their qualities and interests, are not interested in such a topic, also from the word at all.
            2. Captain stoner Offline Captain stoner
              Captain stoner (Captain Stoner) 10 March 2021 10: 22
              -4
              Until our people stop dividing by three

              A hundred years ago they were already divided, and now it is almost impossible to do anything about it.
          3. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
            Kofesan (Valery) 10 March 2021 19: 25
            0
            Quote: Captain Stoner
            the newspaper "Volzhskaya Kommuna" with the autograph of Yuri Gagarin is kept

            Don't forget to congratulate the editors too.

            But why look for a black cat in a dark room, especially when she is not there. "By the way" primarily refers to March 9th. And to the fact that in childhood my father told me a fairy tale about a broom, which a strong man cannot break, but a child can break a twig ... The question is that it is pointless to unite with Nazism writhing in convulsions. , Rather the opposite. Sooner or later they will have to! ... HAVE TO!!! destroy.
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 10 March 2021 09: 43
          +2
          It is not very clear what kind of business Gagarin is involved in at all? He was from Smolensk.

          And it's not clear what you have to do with it? Go happy birthday Armstrong congratulations.
          Hello green berets, murderers of civilians and punishers.
          1. Captain stoner Offline Captain stoner
            Captain stoner (Captain Stoner) 10 March 2021 10: 19
            -8
            Through you, I also convey greetings to your colleagues - the Prigozhin cooks, who extinguish here (and not only here) simply immeasurably, tens of thousands of tons, which is why the stench is obscene for the whole ru.net.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 58
              +4
              Through you, I also convey greetings to your colleagues - the Prigozhin cooks, who extinguish here (and not only here) simply immeasurably, tens of thousands of tons, which is why the stench is obscene for the whole ru.net.

              Why do you need an intermediary? You can do everything yourself. Or are you shy?
              As for the aroma and smell, I'll leave you a link to Slepakov, this is your case yes

              https://news.ru/society/slepakov-otvetil-soratnikam-navalnogo/

              By the way, do you know what Podvalny will be doing in the coming years? To carry out the contract for the tailoring of the panties. smile This is a brand from a great combo laughing
              Say hello to the green berets, murderers of civilians and punishers.


              Make such a tattoo on your forehead, so it's harder to miss.
        3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 March 2021 14: 05
          +5
          He was from Smolensk.

          And the whole country was proud, together, from Transcarpathia to Chukotka.
          I understand that you are not a real "American captain", but that's how they "understand" us ... And that's why they don't understand what we are doing, why, and how it has not yet fallen apart and disappeared altogether ...
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 10 March 2021 09: 42
      +3
      Yeah, and suffocate in them.

      Rather, you will suffocate in your own libertarian dung.
    4. danyla Offline danyla
      danyla (Vasily Doinichenko) 10 March 2021 21: 26
      0
      Exhale and calm down.
    5. Alexander Berezhnoy (Alexander Berezhnoy) April 6 2021 21: 28
      0
      Will not boggle.
  2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 08: 22
    -3
    And all who cut the wheels will suddenly fall to their knees and in tears will ask for forgiveness? the Sumerian people are brotherly, but, but, but, but ... too many of these BUT! Napoleon stopped in Moscow, and these brothers killed before Arkhangelsk.
    Sumerians already have 5-10 million left, as planned? Not. So we play further "for a long time".
    1. Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
      Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 09: 59
      +2
      It is very easy to identify all those who "cut the wheels" by name and without exception. To impose restrictions on the employment of more or less significant positions on minor demons: no administrations, boards, media - only the grassroots level .... janitors, plumbers, landscapers and cleaners. There is no imperious and administrative functionality, except perhaps to command the pigsties.
      Bigger devils - to drive these through the courts, to give time limits (I will draw these criminal structures, according to which it will be easy to close Khokhlo, on my knee).
      Ukraine will have to be rebuilt, and from now on it will be a completely different Ukraine, without a large and strategic industry; only agriculture - but without important logistics and redistribution, so that the local population really works, and does not manage (it already managed so much that it would be right for all residents of Ukraine to be kept out of any government bodies). All commodity flows (export-import) - through Novorossiysk, Rostov or even Ust-Luga. That is, they handed over the goods, signed - go, work. Or, you have received the goods, signed - and go to work again.
      There is work for 30-50 years now to somehow put the infrastructure in order: there are no roads, pipes have rotted, roads and railways are full of railway lines, production facilities have been destroyed by a skillful and original ugly cattle).
      It is not even necessary to prohibit the pig mov: "the market will decide by itself" .... the pig breeders and swineherds mova will die without support itself in 10 years. And the most stubborn carriers will be eaten ... in Canada. From afar, "loving" dur-nenka Ukraine is much more comfortable.
      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 17: 45
        -5
        And for what purpose do we need Ukraine at all? We do not have enough workers, not territories. But from Ukrainians, hard workers are like a figure skater from my late grandmother. They only know how to jump. Let them live in peace. I cannot understand that everything is so excited by what is happening in Ukraine. Well, what do we care about this?
        1. danyla Offline danyla
          danyla (Vasily Doinichenko) 10 March 2021 22: 06
          +1
          Well, about the fact that Ukrainians do not know how to work, this is a lie. As well as the fact that all Russian drunkards. Just one small example. Open YouTube and watch videos of DIY masters, mechanics, welders, builders. If we judge only by the Russian-language (Ukrainian, Belarusian) releases, then most of the videos are from Ukrainians, then Belarusians, and only then from Russians (Russian). In Soviet times, millions of Ukrainians traveled to all "great" construction sites, to the north, to Siberia. Yes, they went to earn money, but they didn't pay money for nothing, they had to plow. If we compare in% to the number of inhabitants, then there were the Ukrainians at these construction sites the most. And there are hundreds of thousands of them left to live (especially after the army) in all regions of Russia. I personally know some of the Ukrainians, from Vinnitsa, Zhitomir, Rovno, Donetsk, who came to work in Russia in the 90s, and so they stayed here. There are relatives from Vinnitsa (they became related in the early 70s), although they have already lost contact with their homeland. The eldest stayed after the army, and the two brothers pulled up later. And that among all my friends and relatives, I have not met lazy people, drunkards and inept.
          1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
            igor.igorev (Igor) 11 March 2021 10: 46
            0
            Original. it is very original to judge the ability to work on videos in YouTube.
            In Ukraine, Russians have always worked in production, and the natives lived in farms and raised pigs. Over time, the Russians grew wild and now they are no different from the natives.
            Ukrainians know how to work for themselves, I do not argue. But as workers in production, they are zero.
            1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
              aquarius580 13 March 2021 03: 24
              -2
              Amazing. Glushko, Chelomey, Korolev are the Ukrainians who led the Soviet rocket and space complex. And the USSR then kept on par with the United States. Didn't you confuse anything?
              1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                igor.igorev (Igor) 15 March 2021 17: 46
                0
                You should at least look at the biography of Korolev and then you will find out where he was born. How many of you juvenile idiots are there?
                1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                  aquarius580 16 March 2021 01: 21
                  -2
                  He is Ukrainian from Zhitomir.
                  1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                    igor.igorev (Igor) 16 March 2021 09: 45
                    +1
                    They were born in the Russian Empire when there was no Ukraine even close.
                    1. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                      aquarius580 16 March 2021 10: 23
                      -3
                      Ukraine is on the map of Guillaume de Beauplan (1648), approximately within the same borders as today. There is still some kind of Muscovy, the size of the Moscow region. But there is no Russian empire there request
                      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                        igor.igorev (Igor) 16 March 2021 12: 48
                        +1
                        Did you find it on the GLOBUS of Ukraine? I believe. I read that the Ukrainians have created the GLOBUS of Ukraine.
                      2. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 16 March 2021 13: 17
                        -4
                        You read something wrong; maybe some notes from Kaschenka.
                        You google on Wikipedia: general map of Ukraine, 1648.
                      3. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                        igor.igorev (Igor) 17 March 2021 12: 50
                        +1
                        Only outspoken dpauns use Wikipedia. There is also a globe of Ukraine, by the way.
                      4. aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
                        aquarius580 17 March 2021 15: 35
                        -3
                        Guillaume de Beauplan - French engineer, author of the map. With him, Wikipedia did not exist yet.
                      5. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
                        igor.igorev (Igor) 21 March 2021 18: 39
                        +1
                        What psychiatric hospital is he in? Are Napoleon and Archimedes lying with him?
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 10 March 2021 09: 50
    +4
    Ukraine will have to be rebuilt, and from now on it will be a completely different Ukraine,

    Maybe I'm wrong, but my opinion on this issue is. If the territory is part of Russia, yes. If not, then no one needs to be restored. Since this is a different country, it has its own budget and economic cooperation only on mutually beneficial terms.
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 11 March 2021 10: 48
      +1
      Ukraine is not needed in any form. Although if they restore everything themselves, then you can have partnerships with them. But help them? This is completely unnecessary, we have already rebuilt the industry for all the hicks and everywhere we were kicked out.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 11 March 2021 12: 41
        +3
        Ukraine is not needed in any form. Although if they restore everything themselves, then you can have partnerships with them. But help them? This is completely unnecessary, we have already rebuilt the industry for all the hicks and everywhere we were kicked out.

        Everything will work for a zealous person in the household. The inclusion of Ukraine in Russia in its entirety is fantastic. Option - so be it, we agree, love on and raise the infrastructure and standard of living to their standards is categorically not suitable. In the future, I believe it is possible to integrate into common economic structures like the EAEU. A number of regions of the South-East (conditionally Novorossia), Russian lands and the population that fell into the structure of Ukraine due to a misunderstanding and as a result of the voluntarism of the former leaders of the country, may become part of Russia. But this is if things get really bad and the country begins to crumble completely.
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 15 March 2021 17: 48
          0
          Juvenile Downs want to include Ukraine in Russia. But Russia does not need this at all. We do not need their territories, but we are ready to accept people from there. We have a shortage of workers, not territories.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 March 2021 08: 30
    +6
    What can Russia get from this? To begin with, the seven-year conflict in Donbass will be ended, which takes lives of people almost every day. Water will go to Crimea, and there will also be a direct land connection, with the bridge already through. And the Sea of ​​Azov will again become internal. The constant humiliation and restriction of the rights of Russian-speaking citizens by the Nazi Ukrainian regime will finally end. We will get back under our control a huge territory with a population close to us of more than 30 million people, with a gigantic economic potential and even greater military-strategic importance on the European continent and in the Black Sea region. Belarus will be protected from three sides by our fraternal embrace. The presence of a common border with Transnistria will immediately resolve not only the security problem of this region that has existed since the collapse of the USSR, but also, quite possibly, the political alignment in Moldova itself will radically change. Yes, well, how could it be without a pipe - the entire Ukrainian (and in fact, Soviet) GTS and the issue of gas transit through it will cease to be a constant stumbling block in various foreign policy debates and even international commercial projects such as "SP-2", which, by and large account, only because of this and slow down constantly. Since the current Ukrainian administration will simply disappear from these contractual chains. How will this dangerous pseudo-state abscess itself disappear right on our borders, constantly creating so much pain and anxiety. And in general, this will definitely solve a lot of any other issues, both recently urgent and arising as a result of the collapse of the Union. Including the most common, human, everyday ones.

    This was an obvious decision in 2014 as well. But in 2021, its price will be immeasurably higher due to many years of "multi-move" ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 08: 40
      +3
      Wastewater will go to Crimea, and Russia will receive another Kravchuk with Kuchma and "Shukhevych's grandchildren" - the descendants of Russophobes.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 March 2021 08: 41
        +3
        Everyone sees something different hi
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 08: 46
          +4
          And it was when it was different? Khmelnitsky, Vygovsky Mazepa and others ... This time there will definitely be an exception and those who are accustomed to sleeping and shitting on their neighbors will magically change? This pulls the Nobel prize laughing
          1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 9 March 2021 09: 39
            -3
            It happened in another way: Prince Oleg Ryazansky, Prince Andrei Kurbsky, Lieutenant General Vlasov and various smaller ones.
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 09: 52
              +3
              Are the streets named after them? Or besides your own shit, you have to collect around the neighborhood?
              1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 9 March 2021 11: 09
                -3
                Monument to Bohdan Khmelnitsky in Kiev - a monument to the hetman of Ukraine Bohdan Khmelnitsky. Solemnly opened on July 23 (July 11, old style), 1888 on Sophia Square in Kiev as part of the celebration of the 900th anniversary of the Baptism of Rus. It is one of the symbols of Kiev, a work of art of the XNUMXth century.

                Or besides your own shit, you have to collect around the neighborhood?

                Here everything was initially mixed - both their own and "around" collected.
              2. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 9 March 2021 15: 09
                -2
                The monument to Prince Oleg Ryazansky is a sculpture by Zurab Tsereteli, installed on October 28, 2007, on the day of the 70th anniversary of the Ryazan Region, on Cathedral Square in the center of Ryazan, not far from the Ryazan Kremlin. It is a figure of a prince on a horse, mounted on a high pedestal.

                Oleg Ivanovich Ryazansky has been the Grand Duke of Ryazan since 1350. He inherited the reign after the death of Vasily Alexandrovich. He died in 1402.
                1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 15: 35
                  +2
                  With the prince, the issue is controversial ... Dmitry Donskoy can also be called a "traitor" .... he did not join Kiev (the mother of Russian cities). the Ukrainians annoyed the Ruriks laughing
                  1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 10 March 2021 19: 09
                    -2


                    In the presence of a person with a classical university education, you allow yourself to make statements of cosmic stupidity.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 10 March 2021 19: 18
                      0
                      trampoline instructor... And in which universities do trampoline zone instructors "rivet"?
                      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 11 March 2021 08: 20
                        0
    2. Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
      Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 09: 44
      -2
      Szaryok messed up back in 2014, when he did not make the obvious and correct decision at the same time.
      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 17: 53
        +2
        What a brave couch warrior you are. Who would have fought in Ukraine? Would you be sitting on a couch, but others think worse than you?
        Do you need Ukraine? Well, go and conquer.
    3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 12: 59
      +3
      Yes ... in 2014 it was necessary, and it would have been rented, 100% ...
      but even later there will be no such possibility at all.
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 9 March 2021 20: 49
        +2
        It is not known whether it would have worked, or maybe it would have only become worse! There were too stubborn horses there - a carriage and a BOOSH CART! Now they grabbed it to the fullest! And their entire economy, as it was going downhill, continues, and for us this is a BEAUTIFUL VISUAL agitation.
        1. sad1940 Offline sad1940
          sad1940 (serge) 9 March 2021 22: 07
          +5
          now there are no fewer stumped ones, and what really shitty is that most of them are no more than 30 in their passport. These are already young wolves, raised and trained in hatred of Russia. And these will shoot at you from every corner, no worse than the Hitler Youth in 45! Rest assured. The Czech version will not be here!
          1. grysha Offline grysha
            grysha (A.M) 9 March 2021 23: 21
            -9
            Yes, plus, thank God that at least someone understands the true alignment of things, believe me that basically as you described it will be, to be honest, I read this "article" and laughed at the content of this nonsense. How to be an idiot and not understand what is happening on in fact, in Ukraine, what to write. If in 2014, without having a normal combat-ready army, we managed to somehow fight off you, (and the fact that Putin classified military losses in peacetime is not for nothing), now, if God forbid, ichtamnets again appear on the territory of Ukraine, then rivers of blood will flow, and not only Ukrainian.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 March 2021 14: 18
              +5
              Fought back? From whom? Did you get attacked or are you someone? And why did you fight with "ichtamnet", but with those "whomest" for your heart - Crimea, as Zelya said, somehow did not want to fight ... Huh? Shaw did not fight back?
              1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex (Secret information) 11 March 2021 12: 31
                +2
                we look there ... we don't look here ... but here we wrap the fish. It's always like this with them! Well, he himself confessed that from the race of horses - and that is bread!
            2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 10 March 2021 18: 55
              +2
              Quote: grysha
              If in 2014, without having a normal combat-ready army, we somehow managed to fight off you, (and the fact that Putin classified military losses in peacetime is not just that)

              You didn’t manage to “somehow fight back”, they scrambled so much (like the brave Georgians) that they didn’t have time to catch up, the same Mariupol was empty from you, but they didn’t go into it, the command “stop” (something Khasavyurt "top" reminded), you were also released "on command" in Ilovaisk, first they gave you, then they let go, but for the big "secret military losses" of the Russian army in Ukraine, if you knew the real truth - you would be provided with depression, without comment ... But it’s probably easier for you to live like that.
              The only thing I agree with you is that Russia has nothing to do with weapons in Ukraine, this is your porridge and you have to sip it yourself, in full.
            3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 11 March 2021 12: 34
              +1
              Glygoriy, you understand AT ALL what the author and I were talking about. And this is always the case with YOU - get involved in a conversation without understanding the essence of the dispute. How is it in Ukrainian!
          2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 11 March 2021 12: 29
            +1
            I'm just about the same thing! Because - where should we hurry? Let them fight each other there ... it's just a pity for ordinary residents of Donbass.
        2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 March 2021 13: 45
          0
          It would have been easier than it is now. And as for agitation - those who understand what the matter is, it is no longer needed for a long time - and so everything is clear. And those who do not want to see this, or pretend they do not want to, agitation is still useless for them. They have their own goals.
          So is this campaign worth the price? In my opinion, no ...
      2. Dear sofa expert. 10 March 2021 01: 28
        +2
        Yes ... in 2014 it was necessary, and it would have been rented, 100% ...

        In 2009 it was necessary. And it would have rolled by 300%.

        Georgia and Ukraine are a disease of Russia that needs to be eradicated - go on the offensive, says Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov. The Chechen leader made a sharp foreign policy statement in an interview with Reuters, which he gave at his Gudermes residence.
        “Georgia, South Ossetia, Ukraine - all this will go on and on. This is a private disease in Russia. Why should we always suffer if we can eliminate this problem? We are a great country, we have everything: the army, technology. We must attack, ”the President of Chechnya said.

        https://m.gazeta.ru/politics/2009/12/24_a_3303400.shtml

        How right he was.
      3. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 10 March 2021 20: 06
        +2
        Quote: Pischenkov
        Yes ... in 2014 it was necessary, and it would have been rented, 100% ...

        It is not known, but if exactly such a reaction was expected from us? Since then, the screams have not died down about the war with Russia.
    4. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 15 March 2021 17: 52
      +1
      Russia needs this Transnistria insofar as. And what do we care about the conflict in Donbass?
      of course we will protect the citizens of Russia there, but we don’t need Donbass for nothing. It will be necessary to invest money there as in the three Crimea, but there will be no return. All the factories that are there, work great for us and for ourselves.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 9 March 2021 08: 48
    +1
    Game for a long time ...
    It is difficult to say who benefits more from this approach. On the one hand, Russia does not need to make sudden movements, Ukraine will destroy itself. On the other hand, the longer self-humiliation lasts, the more it will be perceived as humiliation by Russia, this is not forgotten, this is not forgiven.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 08: 52
      +2
      Syria has been forgiven by Russia ... And Putin has already told Europe to feed the Ukrainians themselves. Russia will not deal with these. The worse ukram, the more expenses the Europeans have.
      1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 9 March 2021 09: 59
        -3
        And Putin has already told Europe to feed the Ukrainians themselves. Russia will not deal with these.

        Hundred times Ha-Ha!
        When the borders are open through and through, the outskirts with the outskirts feed on their own.
        Katka lives in my entrance, one of the locals. Ten years ago she married a native of the Nikolaev region of the outskirts. Two children already, the eldest goes to school. The husband's parents at the age of + - 60 live with them. Their eldest son is also nearby, often comes to visit them. The old crest on his minibus with suburban numbers a couple of times a year goes to his Nikolaev region, brings a full bead of food (there is obviously a cheaper meal), rolls, twists, pork carcasses cut into pieces.
        Probably, somewhere there are figures - how many lard $$$ do the Okrainsky Gaster from Russia send to the outskirts every year? How much %% does the budget of the outskirts consist of Russian money? And there is no need to send, the borders are open - go for a drive back and forth.
        By the way, just before the Maidan, our "mnogokhodovets" gave $ 3 lard to Yanukovych, how are they there? on the way to Russia, did they not get dusty, did they get worn out?
        And, well, yes, our "de-dollarization" was successful, so we don't need these damn green candy wrappers (unsecured by anything): ((
      2. Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
        Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 10: 11
        +6
        From the standpoint of geopolitics (and military strategy), Syria is of much lesser importance. Russia is a land-based, continental country with vulnerable (easily overcome) borders. Large industrial regions of the country must be "protected by distances". Therefore, the resistance from the United States in Syria is not very strong. For the tasks of the United States, this area is not very significant.
        And in Ukraine - just look at the map, at the borders. And it is immediately clear that here the West will fight (and rage) to the last: invent the Eastern Ramparts, the Iron Curtains, etc. All this has already happened. And improving the characteristics of weapons DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. If you "leave" the territory, your geopolitical adversary will definitely come there, and your situation will deteriorate.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 10: 41
          +2
          the whole world with Ukrainians? laughing
      3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 13: 04
        +4
        Why didn't we leave it all to them in 1944? Have you gone to release? So much money, effort ... Let them restore themselves ... if you think so.
        The situation is the same now, only without tanks and Katyushas: there is a war, we retreated, lost a lot of territories, and now we either win back, or retreat further, and this is ultimately a lost war. That's the whole alignment.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 13: 30
          0
          and now they were attacked? laughing from whom to exempt? from your own laziness, stupidity and cowardice? it is not treated with free buckwheat and stew, but with a grave.
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 15: 03
            +2
            They attacked, and we (well, not really us, but the "command" in 1991) surrendered them without a fight ... Including the Crimea and Donbass, by the way, where people are now shedding blood just for one opportunity to speak their native language fluently. Are you talking about them too, in that case, about laziness, cowardice and free buckwheat? And those who were burned in Odessa? Stupid and lazy too?
            I thought that with the application of certain stamps on entire peoples, and, moreover, on the entire population of multinational states, we somehow already parted, no?
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 15: 19
              -1
              Who attacked? idiocy? so they are born with him, live and enjoy ... And about Odessa, there is no need ... how the group was driven into a prepared building, and the whole city, together with the army, navy and militia, could not do anything with the crowd of football fans armed with sticks and trauma ... chickened out.
              blacks here are black. this is an applique and a stamp for a whole nation laughing
              1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 15: 48
                +3
                You obviously have little idea of ​​such situations ... Behind these "fans" were the police, the state, and those behind this state ... and they knew it very well. as they knew, unfortunately, that they would not get anything for this, and no one would come to defend those in the House of Trade Unions either.
                And people, you know, are born, get married, live and die during the occupation, how else? ...
                In the United States, at least a third of the people are now also "chickened out"? Apparently, going against the regime isn’t for you. And in the USSR, the sea was dissatisfied, so what? Everybody went to fight with the regime? Not. Cowards, then?
                1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 15: 55
                  -3
                  and the police seem to be of foreign origin, like the army and the navy? Did the invaders bring with them? and if you add to them the National Battalions, Svidomo, those who cut the wheels, throw off the "harness" and then there is no one to "save". there will be one and a half half-dead people who have nothing to pay for the communal apartment.
                  "Regime" in the USSR put on a par with Russophobic Ukrainians? this is exactly what I expected from you. discussion is over.
                  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 16: 35
                    +3
                    It is always easy to be courageous while sitting in front of a computer. I, apparently unlike you, have seen similar situations and people's lives in them with my own eyes. And in Ukraine, and not only. Therefore, I can imagine the state of Ukrainian society at this point in general.
                    And even if you imagine that they themselves would suddenly start something, being driven to despair, without external support and internal organization, it is still unrealistic to achieve something. And all attempts to self-organize internally against the regime there are very professional, by the way, they are wet in the bud, and the Russian Federation somehow does not send any intelligible signals to anyone on this score either ...
                    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                      Cyril (Kirill) 9 March 2021 17: 11
                      -2
                      It is always easy to be courageous while sitting in front of a computer.

                      Golden words, you need to cast in gold. No kidding.
                      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 20: 12
                        0
                        Well, you see, even you and I can agree on something! And this means that dialogue on any occasion and with anyone does make sense. And this is good news.
        2. Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
          Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 13: 53
          -4
          Why didn't we leave it all to them in 1944? Have you gone to release? ..

          This is different! It is necessary to understand. laughing
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 15: 07
            +3
            But I don't see much difference ... the territory is occupied by Western forces, through which Bandera gangs run and terrorize the population ... The free press does not work ... There is a partisan war and anti-partisan actions of the invaders ... The country is led by figures supplied by the occupiers .. So what's so different about that?
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 15: 24
              -1
              When the Zaporozhian Cossacks and the Poles went to Moscow, also occupied the Western forces? laughing Was the "massacre of the Haidamaks" also organized by Western forces?
      4. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 17: 55
        +3
        Absolutely to the point. It is our local liberda that itches everything so that we can invade Ukraine. And I personally do not want to feed them again. Let them earn their living.
    2. Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
      Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 10: 22
      -6
      First of all, this humiliation will not be forgotten or forgiven.
      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 17: 56
        +3
        The Ukrainians and I have not been on our way for a long time, and what they think of us is absolutely all the same to us.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 01
      +4
      On the other hand, the longer self-humiliation lasts, the more it will be perceived as humiliation by Russia, this is not forgotten, this is not forgiven.

      Are the "Muscovites" curses also to blame for self-destruction? belay Someone walks the European way, but the neighbor is to blame? However, it is not surprising, everyone around is independent and independent, but everything that goes wrong is to blame for the Kremlin and Putin personally.laughing
      And how do you see the way out? Immediately save and restore everything? Then there will be no humiliation, and they will be able to tell from above through their lips how they themselves have achieved everything and Russia owes and owes them and generally does not restore everything quickly enough. smile
  • Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
    Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 09: 42
    -4
    Finally, very correct and objective assessments of the situation in Ukraine began to sound. Finally, they openly begin to express (timid so far) accusations against the (cussing) Russian leadership ...
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    2. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 17: 59
      +3
      Well, you brave warrior, go to Donbass and fight there.
  • Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
    Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 10: 21
    +1
    When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 9 March 2021 10: 45
    +3
    After the collapse of the USSR, all former Soviet republics became independent states.
    This predetermined nationalism - the eradication of the Russian language, the revision of history, the creation of national heroes, etc. actions to distance themselves from the USSR, the Russian Federation and everything Russian.
    The different levels of economic and social development of the post-Soviet states predetermined different forms of state structure and administration, the struggle of clans and groupings.
    The objective laws of economics require an alternative to a unified economic geography and economic ties within the framework of the former unified state.
    The EU, China, Turkey, and all other neighboring countries that are not averse to profit from the corpse of the USSR and expand their sphere of influence have become natural centers of gravity.
    After Yeltsin's coup d'etat, the Russian Federation was on the verge of collapse and had no opportunity to take any action to strengthen its influence in the post-Soviet space.
    The timely comprehensive support of the EU and the US predetermined the dominance of nationalist sentiments and power in Ukraine.
    With the arrival of V.V. Putin, the establishment of elementary order in the state and the growth of the economy, some post-Soviet states left irrevocably, such as the Baltic states, others at a crossroads, and others reoriented to the Russian Federation within the framework of existing economic unions.
    Vladimir Putin says that Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are one people, and Medvedchuk thinks differently - the Austro-Hungarian and Polish-Lithuanian heritage can be traced in the west of Ukraine in everything, and east of the Dnieper - tsarist, Soviet, Russian.
    They are trying to overcome this division of power in Ukraine as they can with a policy of Ukrainization, patriotism, anti-Russian propaganda on which one generation (generation - 25) grew up and another is already growing up.
    Therefore, any reasoning about the return of Ukraine to its native harbor, i.e. under the wing of the Russian Federation, have no basis.
    Vladimir Putin's words that the Russian Federation will not abandon the DPR-LPR and the possible loss of statehood by Ukraine in the event of a full-scale war in Donbass should be understood as a warning against a fratricidal war and aims at the implementation of the Minsk agreements.
    In the event of a war, the DPR-LPR will reach their administrative borders (if by that time they will not have time to create a NATO naval base in Mariupol) and the Russian Federation will recognize their state independence by analogy with South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
    There can be no talk of any entry of the DPR-LPR into the Russian Federation, because this will deal a powerful blow to Kuzbass, manufacturers of mining equipment, railroad transport, which is not possible to compensate.
    1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 13: 10
      0
      what is the blow to Kuzbass? the economies of Russia and Ukraine are uncritically linked.
  • Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
    Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 10: 49
    -5
    Stsaryok started his "multi-move" when it was not needed.
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 13: 31
      +3
      Yes, it was possible in 2014 in one move, right outside the Crimea. And the consequences would be the same ...
  • wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 9 March 2021 11: 05
    -1
    Russia cannot completely "digest" Crimea (Ukrainian orders, Turkey's interests, the collapse of infrastructure), but here almost all of Ukraine .. Contracts with a neighbor in the field of military-technical cooperation, often to the detriment of the domestic defense industry, concluded before the "Euromaidan" and then broken off .. Trade turnover between the countries for billions of dollars, a gas contract for several years - the support of the Independent from the West and the Russian Federation are comparable and do not differ dozens of times.
    Belarus and Kazakhstan are following the path of Ukraine, and in the last 7 years they have accelerated in this movement. Josep Borrell's recent visit to Russia is possibly similar to the arrival of Swiss Didier Burkhalter in the spring of 2014. As if in the spring and summer the Donbass was not drained under a "beautiful screen". Every year there is less and less confidence in the historical responsibility and political adequacy of the country's top leadership.
    1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
      igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 18: 03
      -5
      And why don’t we need Donbass at all? To restore it? Thank you, we have already done this after the Second World War. We have our own coal and our own metallurgical plants. We need to think about our country and look less at the hicks.
      1. wolf46 Offline wolf46
        wolf46 9 March 2021 19: 33
        0
        In the interests of Russia, we need a buffer belt of friendly (along the entire perimeter) regimes (analogous to the Internal Affairs Directorate) and economically connected states (a cluster with a population of about 250 million people). The CSTO and EurAsEC are not suitable for this role, and there are no allies among the neighboring countries (Belarus), including the unrecognized ones (Abkhazia).
        1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
          igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 21: 12
          +1
          In theory, it's a good idea to have one. But it costs too much, and there is no particular sense in the age of missiles. This made sense in the 40-50s of the last century. We will win 2-3 minutes in the flight time of the rocket, this is not enough for us. Yes, and it is hard to believe that a nuclear war will start, everyone understands perfectly well that there will be no winners in it. Therefore, it makes no sense to contain hicks for the sake of a buffer.
  • depavel Offline depavel
    depavel (Pavel Pavlovich) 9 March 2021 11: 37
    -1
    No need to reinvent the wheel, government in exile, legitimate, etc. There are a bunch of Western examples of how it works. Worse, the beneficiaries feel safe, Trump declared Soros a terrorist, Putin where? "Standing at the foot"!
    1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
      Gennady1959 (Gennady) 9 March 2021 19: 04
      0
      Very correct. In 7 years, it was possible to form a government in exile, and the elite to manage Ukraine to learn and grow (from Ukrainian migrants) and to create a national liberation army from Ukrainians and expel the Natsiks. But all this in the event that the GDP serves the Russian people. And he serves the Cypriot-Israeli-Russian oligarchs.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 25
        +2
        Very correct. In 7 years, it was possible to form a government in exile, and the elite to manage Ukraine to learn and grow (from Ukrainian migrants) and to create a national liberation army from Ukrainians and expel the Natsiks. But all this in the event that the GDP serves the Russian people. And he serves the Cypriot-Israeli-Russian oligarchs

        Can you show me which document says that the President of Russia should deal with the affairs of the neighboring state? Someone there to grow, form?
        It's like if you were trying to organize your family life with your neighbor. In General, if you have unhappy families in your city, then you are serving the Cypriot-Israeli-Russian oligarchs.
        1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
          Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 03: 24
          -1
          heresy and localism! Where it is written that the US president should deal with the affairs of a neighboring or non-neighboring state, but nevertheless he is engaged in them (not directly, but through the appropriate structures and people), or rather in the context of the interests of his country. they are also engaged in the interests of their own countries, getting involved in "neighborly affairs" and Poland and Germany, etc. Only the forms and so on. and if you want the interests of the Russian Federation to end on its border, then the logic is understandable 123. This is called parochialism and civic egoism (so as not to express myself, let it be so). Although it is not clear that if your neighbors "are from great love a friend to a friend, especially on the basis of alcoholism "will beat or kill each other's muzzles, then, on a hike, 123 will not interfere and consider this" getting into the organization of personal life. " how my neighbors, when they quarreled, bring the punks to the showdown and rattle, shit, and so on. suit, and you sit and "do not get into your personal life."
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 11 March 2021 09: 12
            +2
            heresy and localism! Where it is written that the US president should deal with the affairs of a neighboring or non-neighboring state, but nevertheless he is engaged in them (not directly, but through the appropriate structures and people), or rather in the context of the interests of his country. they are engaged in the interests of THEIR countries, getting involved in "neighborly affairs" and Poland and Germany, etc.Only forms and so on. different.

            You practically answered yourself. Only the forms of influence are different. Their methods and forms of influence are suitable for the goals. Russia has different goals in Ukrainets, and accordingly, suitable methods are needed. Or are you trying to incite Ukraine against the United States and Germany? By the way, Ukraine is not a neighboring state for the United States, and for Germany, too. And the United States interacts with its neighbors a little differently, not like in Ukraine.

            Although it is not clear that if your neighbors "out of great love for each other, especially on the basis of alcoholism" will beat or kill each other's muzzles, then, on the hike, 123 will not interfere and consider this "getting into the organization of personal life." and the whole house is not allowed to sleep, and even better when, in general, like my neighbors, when they quarreled, they bring the punks to the showdown and rattle, shit, and so on. suit, and you sit and "do not get into your personal life."

            Of course you did it differently? They organized the punks in the sports club, weaned them off to drink, smoke and use foul language, then they removed the territory and planted trees on the lawns? And then they talked with the neighbors, got into personal problems, and their family life improved? Or, according to the American method, they took over the leadership of the punks?
            All you can do is go out and disperse this whole shobla (if you can, of course). As a result, if you do not get a sharpening in a bochin or if you use fittings on the skull and lie on the lawn, your pockets will still be cleaned, and it’s good if there are no keys to the house there. Spoil relations with neighbors for a long time, if not forever, the punks will cut the wheels for a long time and draw grateful inscriptions on the hood with a carnation, and if you twist your jaw to someone, you can go to Sisyan to sew a coward.

            And if you want the interests of the Russian Federation to end on its border, then the logic is understandable.123 This is called localism and civic egoism (so as not to express yourself, let it be so).

            I wrote somewhere that I want exactly this? belay "Partners" climb out of their skin so that we would get into this conflict. As far as I understand, in this situation an analysis should be carried out, all pros and cons should be weighed, it is calculated that we will intervene in one way or another. Take measures to minimize economic losses. And then act adhering to the developed strategy, not paying attention to the "hairpins" to bend their line.
            And if you have itching, then tear your vest not on the Internet, you can show yourself in real life, the border with the DPR is open.
            1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
              Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 13: 12
              -3
              again this stupid and useless hooray-n @ cr @ from @ chen stupidity from 123:

              The RF has other goals, respectively, the methods ...

              What are the others? To populate it with Martians? Or every Ukrainian has 1 gakh of state interests in Ukraine, and from this to build on in other directions of the development of this influence. And moreover, there are different mechanisms of influence on countries, and so on. with the ESSENCE of a claim to the stupid logic of thinking 123, which completely contradicts reality and attempts to loop through in an obviously losing position? And here, what will I do with my neighbors to a SPECIFIC question 123 about “what is this intrusion into personal life?” Well, let 123 for "personal life" with sticking the tongue in one place and further existence in the role of terpily. Then sit silently with your fantasies. But if you draw a parallel with the events for the Russian Federation in Ukraine, then here it is clearly this complete patient Russian Federation did not want to become and, using ALL THES SAME METHODS, only slightly more clumsy as the West, intervened.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 11 March 2021 13: 15
                +1
                What did you want to say? It's boring to look for meaningful sentences in a heap of garbage.
                Good doctor Aibolit, he will heal everyone ...
                Contact you will not regret winked
                1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                  Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 01: 49
                  -3
                  And it is necessary to heal such as 123 "useful id @ ots" with hyper-pseudo-patriotic rhetoric, which has repeatedly led to a total fiasco in the country (formerly the USSR. tanks in the world), but licking the backs of the leadership of their country where necessary and where there is no, considering it infallible and almost sacred and constantly trying to cover up the obvious degradation of the Russian Federation in a number of development directions with a fig leaf.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 12 March 2021 09: 51
                    +1
                    Does "hyper-pseudo-patriotic rhetoric" lead the country to a "total fiasco"?
                    Do you believe so much in the power of the word?
                    Who were you going to beat on someone else's territory and that lickers I do not know, but I don’t want to know. You will figure it out for yourself in the "where to" topic.
                    I warn those who refuse to visit the veterinary luminary, you do not want to talk to Aibolit, you will talk to Professor Preobrazhensky yes
                    1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 13: 23
                      -3
                      well, nothing sane from hurray-super-n @ tsri @ that 123 I did not expect to read it. Everything is in the same style "our sausage is the sausage and we are the most dupery and sinless. We do not make mistakes and go the right way, even though the pants are We do not need anything, but we will take our own. "Just what against such" useful id @ ots ", such as 123, only the word helps in this case. And the fight for brains (that is, mechanisms of" soft power "- This is what the Russian Federation clearly loses to everyone in a row), I think, no less, or even more, an important thing and strong than some other mechanisms of influence. But 123 cannot admit such frankly seditious things. The otic program is prescribed only for chanting one and no more.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 March 2021 11: 53
    0
    Another call for blood.
    A Next article:

    ... Russia began to supply wheelsets for railway to Ukraine

    And since the Government is pursuing a long plan, it means it is so profitable for it. In any case.
    Politicians and oligarchs don't go there, and the rest ...
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 9 March 2021 13: 08
      +4
      There will inevitably be bloodshed, Serge, if you just look at all this further ...
      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 18: 05
        +3
        And who will fight whom? As long as I see how our liberda really wants this, is trying with all its might to inflate what is not. Ukrainians are certainly not very smart people, but they are not fools to rock the boat on Russia.
    2. Design Ovragov Offline Design Ovragov
      Design Ovragov 9 March 2021 14: 04
      -4
      Yes, in 1944 a lot of blood was shed in vain. Why was Ukraine liberated and restored? They would have left her to Hitler - even if f ... would have stayed with her all the way, yeah ...
      Dude. The war is on - have you noticed? And blood is inevitable. Everybody has to pay for mistakes (unfortunately, "everybody" means US). The main mistake was made in 1991. A minor mistake, but very offensive (Russia showed the whole world the sycophantic and shameful cowardice of the Kremlin's stark) - this is 2014 with all the "Cunning Plans", "multi-moves" and "long games". As a result of the execution of the "cunning plans" of the stark, Russia then colorfully settled down, turning into a terpila country, which it continues to be to the present day.
      1. igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
        igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 18: 06
        +4
        You would have galloped to your place in Zhmerinka.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 35
        +4
        Russia then colorfully settled down, turning into a terpily country, which continues to remain to the present day.

        How interesting it turns out, everything is knee-deep in manure and full of trousers, and Putin is to blame? Does he throw it up?
  • staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 9 March 2021 12: 59
    +8
    A Ukrainian is not a nationality, but a political orientation directed against Russia, every Ukrainian is pregnant with Banderism, and if someone is for all the good, then his son or grandson will shout about the maskalaka at the Gilyak. There are VERY many precedents of such cases in Ukraine, and among the former communists and veterans of the Great Patriotic War, whose children and grandchildren run around with Bandera's portraits. How much has been invested in Ukraine and what do you want to continue investing in? These lost generations cannot be corrected. The ATOs in Donbass all as one say that they are at war with Russia and kill Rusnya, hundreds of thousands of them have been smeared, how will you communicate with them?
    1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 04: 21
      -1
      staer-62 you are carrying complete nonsense, and NOBODY canceled the propaganda, as well as the information warfare against impoverished Ukraine, which was totally lost by the Russian Federation, even long before the revolution of rot
  • Ivan Ivanov_21 Offline Ivan Ivanov_21
    Ivan Ivanov_21 (Ivan Ivanov) 9 March 2021 13: 32
    -3
    delirium ...
  • oderih Offline oderih
    oderih (Alex) 9 March 2021 14: 23
    -1
    Conversation with ourselves. Mr. Pishenkov and the support group brought. An ingenious move!. But the dishes are glass.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2021 15: 06
      +1
      They are on fire ... The US and the IMF refuse to feed until the Ukrainians stop stealing. I would like, as before, for the older brother to protect and feed the youngest shit kleptomaniac.

      Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who has long sought a telephone conversation with the US administration, will only get this opportunity after he has completed the Joe Biden administration’s “homework”. This was announced to Ukrainian television by the former first deputy chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, Sergei Aleksashenko, who was introduced to the audience as an adviser to the Minister of Finance of Ukraine. As a fulfillment of "homework", Washington expects from Zelensky the closure of the television channel of the oligarch Kolomoisky, as well as the fulfillment of the requirements of the International Monetary Fund to change the legislation of Ukraine.

      http://k-politika.ru/pochemu-vashington-otkazalsya-ot-podderzhki-zelenskogo/?utm_source=politobzor.net
      1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 04: 28
        0
        What is real? And nothing so that in addition to the IMF, the US itself CONSTANTLY allocates money for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and so on. under various grants, like the EBRD and all sorts of funds, such as the Soros Renaissance and plus closed funding channels, but support? You see only the tip of the iceberg. The West (primarily the United States) seeks in every way and completely from different sides to subjugate not only the current Ukrainians. x top-level officials, but also future ones, taking, for example, now under control of the country's judiciary and, in order to "formalize" this, blackmails with IMF loans.
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 March 2021 20: 24
      0
      Oh, how smart and perceptive you are! They figured out all the same! And we tried so hard! We will see everything here in a large-large hall on chairs and create the effect of interest and conversion ... And you know everything about us! Horror! laughing
      And with glassware, you are more careful there, then something else will come to mind - the HELL will pop out of the screen! tongue
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 9 March 2021 14: 37
    -1
    Do not give anything away for that Galicia, you didn’t hack to give it to you !!!
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 9 March 2021 15: 46
    -1
    The Minsk betrayal of Donbass led to the construction of a fascist state in Ukraine, and in many respects at our expense. And this is the Kremlin's plan?
  • GRUB Offline GRUB
    GRUB (Ernest) 9 March 2021 15: 53
    0
    Most likely there is no plan. The expectation is that everything will resolve by itself and most likely it does not matter in which direction.
  • igor.igorev Offline igor.igorev
    igor.igorev (Igor) 9 March 2021 17: 41
    +3
    Our liberals are whipping up about the fight with Ukraine. The Ukrainians are well aware that they are going to fight with us in detail and that the US and the EU will not do anything for them.
  • Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
    Gennady1959 (Gennady) 9 March 2021 18: 48
    -4
    Putin once, I remember, said: "... if a fight is inevitable, then you must hit first!"
    Meanwhile, Putin and the present are 20 years old. Then there was a strong, healthy man, and now a dull, tired 68-year-old man, on whom the entire Russian elite openly spits. The meeting in 2021 on the implementation of the 2012 decrees is the brightest example ..
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 40
      +2
      Putin once, I remember, said: "... if a fight is inevitable, then you must hit first!"

      Is a fight inevitable?
      1. VladZ Offline VladZ
        VladZ (Vladimir) 10 March 2021 18: 02
        0
        .... Is a fight inevitable? ...

        I don't know, it depends on him. You would look at his "suit" from the back. There are no traces of soles and spitting of "partners" there ...
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 10 March 2021 18: 22
          +2
          I don't know, it depends on him. You would look at his "suit" from the back. There are no traces of soles and spitting of "partners" there ...

          Those who do not dare to come closer spit from afar.
          You would surely settle everything quickly and put everyone in their place?
          1. VladZ Offline VladZ
            VladZ (Vladimir) 11 March 2021 14: 38
            -1
            You would surely settle everything quickly and put everyone in their place?

            It might not have been possible to deliver. But to say to your face directly and not ambiguously about your intentions - this would be done without fail.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 11 March 2021 15: 04
              +2
              It might not have been possible to deliver. But to say to your face directly and not ambiguously about your intentions - this would be done without fail.

              ABOUT!!! This is a real man's act yes Turn your face and say directly and unambiguously about your intentions ... These are people who, as you put it, leave traces of soles and spitting on your suit behind ...
              What will change after your words when it turns out that the "partners" do not listen to your formidable face? They spit on your intentions. This is with regard to a specific situation.
              As for politics, they crap and will crap in it. If you perceive everything there emotionally, can it be good that you are not a politician? Otherwise, they would have broken such firewood.
              1. VladZ Offline VladZ
                VladZ (Vladimir) 11 March 2021 17: 15
                0
                Well, let's say I put it figuratively. And you don't have to find fault with every word. And you will not tell why in August 2008, when Russia could be safely called an "aggressor", no one presented any sanctions to it, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia were immediately recognized by Russia? And the West accepted it all? Has Sarkozy helped? Or maybe Medvedev is bolder than his Mentor? Why now build Russian foreign policy with Ukraine according to the principle: "we are not there," "we are not a party to the conflict," etc.? This is what the Ukrainian junta constantly appeals to. Maybe it's time to say directly to the "partners" about what we want, what we protect, and what we will never agree to ?! Afraid that it will get worse and have what else to lose ?! Well, then, excuse me, you shouldn't have started this whole campaign then! Don't you think that the Donetsk residents may run out of patience ?! And what will we wait for when everything will resolve itself or Ukraine will fall apart ?! Well, well, go on ...
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 11 March 2021 18: 27
                  +2
                  It's really good that you are not a politician, you are very temperamental. You should all be on the table with your fist, but declare louder.
                  With what fright can Russia be recognized as an aggressor in 2008? The conflict started in Tbilisi, Russian peacekeepers were killed. Russia did not take away any new territories from Georgia. Everything remained the same. South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Only they were recognized as independent.
                  In Tskhinvali, our peacekeepers were on a legal basis, in Crimea, by the way, too, military personnel. Located in Donbass, what legal basis is there? On the one hand, to declare that Russia is for the observance of international law and at the same time to send troops to a neighboring country is a so-so position. The argument is that the Americans do it with the Turks so-so. To declare that we are the same guano? But these are all words, so to speak, the background.
                  There is also an economic calculation. Here, as it was recently, I came across information about how many just one enterprise sends cargo through the Ukrainian pores, there are several trains a day. It's not a quick business to build your own replacement port. And our troops in Odessa, these are practically guaranteed sanctions, ships from the port will be banned from accepting in other countries. And there are many such enterprises, so throughout the economy, everything is tied to the Soviet era. Cooperation, suppliers. Nothing can be changed quickly. In general, a cold cynical calculation. Weighed, calculated, the blow to the economy would be colossal.
                  If anything, I am in favor of ending everything in Donbass and not to say that I would like this state of affairs. But ... I just described to you how I see the situation, how decisions were made in my understanding. They thought first of all about their country, their own economy, and not about their neighbors. This is how everything is cynical and calculating. I can add a little more extreme cynicism ... even though I don't like it. Donbass before the start of the mess to Russia was torn? I don’t seem to remember. Everyone was happy with everything, while the roast cock ... And then everyone is ready for Russia and for their home harbor. Come and save. Crimea, if for a long time aspired to Russia and at least somehow fought for it. And so everywhere around, Belarus for example. They are also happy with everything, while it's quiet. Is Russia a rescue team on duty? Should I think about the rest, and not about myself?
                  As for the patience of the Donetsk people, do they have a choice? Let's say it's over and what?
                  I think the likelihood of a forceful resolution of the conflict is increasing, the dependence on the economy is decreasing, and both sides understand this. They will incite Ukraine only then they will understand that the consequences and possible damage to Russia are becoming minimal. That would have somehow stung.
                  I sympathize with the residents of Donbass, but for now everything will continue as it is. Something like this. hi
                  1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 13: 40
                    -1
                    Is Russia a rescue team on duty? Should you think about the rest, and not about yourself? - Yes, you should, Mousieux, who stubbornly either pretends that he does not understand this, or in fact covers up the shoals of his infallible homeland and officials! ANY imperial formation, and the Russian empire, has interests OUTSIDE their borders and are OBLIGED to think about a lot and do a lot outside of their country.
                    They were NOT OBLIGED to interfere in Syria, but they did. In Africa, they DON'T OBLIGED to interfere, but now they are actively shurud. Etc.
                    And, I wonder how it was until the age of 14 "Crimea actively strove for the Russian Federation and fought for it?" Even though I don’t remember there were any mass demonstrations in Crimea in the 90s or 2000s, such as "We demand a referendum! Join Crimea to the Russian Federation!" or guerrilla warfare.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 12 March 2021 14: 15
                      +1
                      If you think that you should think first of all about others, then first of all, do not whine about Syria and Africa, otherwise you have some kind of split consciousness.
                      Secondly, collect the seat in the menu and go to Donbass, so to speak by personal example ...
                      Thirdly, about the Crimea, briefly follow the link. Educate yourself on health.
                      http://www.rcoit.ru/lib/history/russian_federation/18119/

                      And think about the veterinarian, otherwise Professor Preobrazhensky is already sharpening a scalpel ... repeat
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                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 12 March 2021 21: 53
                        0
                        Barmaley_2, will you refresh your memory of what triggered the civil war in Ukraine?
                      3. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 22: 23
                        -1
                        I am writing about other things: if the Russian Federation is trying to lay claim to something in the world and in relations with its neighbors, all the more calling them "fraternal", then it is OBLIGED to build a so-called jointly acceptable for ALL and a single the concept of the "image of the future" and also have some kind of economic, at least partially independent base. The Russian Federation does not have any of this! 123 here as much as he wants, trying to pass off his wishful thinking and he has "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise! That's just a little bit there is no nice and there is no ice. And in general we are ahead of the rest of the planet and everyone is smarter. "
                      4. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 12 March 2021 22: 28
                        +1
                        Barmaley_2It seems to me that you assess the conflict in Ukraine incorrectly.
                      5. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
                        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 13 March 2021 03: 19
                        -2
                        what does true-false mean in your concept?
  • VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 10 March 2021 18: 04
    -1
    No, not so long ago, he talked about the "St. Petersburg gateway".
  • Shelest2000 Offline Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 9 March 2021 18: 49
    -7
    Putin once, I remember, said: "... if a fight is inevitable, then you must hit first!"

    In fact, Putin has said a lot of things with us, and he does it very well. But at the exit of these his "conversations" - 0, zero. This time. And two, this is what all our "ilya" have property abroad. And expensive property - bank accounts for tens, hundreds and billions of dollars and euros, vineyards, villas, apartments, families who already have foreign citizenship. And the naive author thinks that they will abandon all this, both in a united formation and in a fit, stride to save Ukraine and the Ukrainian people from Nazism? Where is there to laugh? So I started right after reading the first paragraph. In Russia, everything is now measured against money. And not just for money, but for the PERSONAL money of those who hold power. And no beautiful slogans and thoughts interest them "from the word at all." The power in the Kremlin is not the right one to carry out the aforementioned author.

    Now about "how"

    Silently. To begin with, tear off your popenhauer from the sofa, put a bottle of beer under the table and, instead of giving a house with barbecue and girls, go to the polls and express your big "FI" to the party of crooks and thieves. Here together with these girls and go, and only then kebabs and beer. Otherwise ... Otherwise it will be like in the joke about the pension reform and the football championship.

    - Grandpa, what did you do when the retirement age was raised?
    - I went out into the street with everyone and yelled.
    - And what was yelling?
    - Gooool !!!
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 47
      +4
      Silently. To begin with, tear off your popenhauer from the sofa, put a bottle of beer under the table and, instead of giving a house with barbecue and girls, go to the polls and express your big "FI" to the party of crooks and thieves. Here together with these girls and go, and only then kebabs and beer.

      Will not work No. While you and the girls are eating barbecue at the dacha, people work, if they also vote. You will shout loudly "FI", people will not like it (they are tired after work), as a result, the girls will receive a "popenhauer" with twigs, and you, with all the proletarian straightforwardness, will get a bite. yes It is uncomfortable to yell with a curled jaw and it doesn't matter what Gooooool !!! or "FI".
      Take care of your health, you can't buy it hi
      1. Shelest2000 Offline Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 13 March 2021 11: 33
        -2
        Quote: 123
        It will not work no While you and the girls are eating barbecue at the dacha, people work, if they also vote. You will shout loudly "FI", people will not like it (they are tired after work), as a result, the girls will receive a "popenhauer" with a twig, and you, with all the proletarian directness, will get a bite. yes With a folded jaw, it's uncomfortable to yell and it doesn't matter what Gooooool !!! or "FI".
        Take care of your health, you can't buy it

        Horses mixed in a bunch, people (s)
        Learn to read, dear :)
  • Radziminsky Victor (Radziminsky Victor) 9 March 2021 20: 49
    -3
    In order for Russia to get involved in the "Ukrainian WAR" between the United States and Britain, it is necessary to organize an attack on the Donbass. And in the case of a proven participation of Russia in hostilities, both Nord Streams will be blocked by NATO. "Project Ukraine" is a win-win game between the United States and Britain.
    A simultaneous blow to the Russian economy, plus destabilization - millions of Ukrainians inside Russia, and the weakening, subjugation of Germany-EU. Russia will not defend Donbass?
    Russia will defend Donbass. Both Donbass and both Nord Streams are traps for Russia. "Project Ukraine" is a well-thought-out US-UK project that has been implemented for decades.
    "Ukrainian WAR"? They will watch as Russia rushes between the "streams" and Donbass, and bring up weapons and ammunition. You cannot count on Medvedchuk - the United States will never let him come to power.
    1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 43
      0
      another STRATEG is hatched.
    2. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 53
      0
      Uncle Vitya, are you? if JV 1 is closed and JV 2 is not completed, German industry will stop and many countries will freeze to death. There is NO NPP in Germany, unlike France. And LNG is now being driven to Asia. There the price went up to 1 bucks. Nothing personal - business.
      And European scientists are screaming in panic about the slowing down of the Gulf Stream.
      And it will be like in the paintings of Pieter Bruegel - they skate on the Dutch canals.
      They don't have central heating. Freeze to ...
  • Motorhead Offline Motorhead
    Motorhead (Alex) 9 March 2021 21: 14
    +4
    One thing, but Ukrainians have been brainwashed for 30 years, that Russia and the USSR are associated only with negative, and this is for those who were born in the Union. In the early 90s, it was necessary to think that the young there were generally banded.
  • Xipe totec Offline Xipe totec
    Xipe totec (Xipe Totec) 9 March 2021 22: 27
    +4
    Author, are you eager to fight? The border from the Russian side is open, go to the LPNR and show me how it should be. And then, according to the classics -

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.
  • FrankyStein Offline FrankyStein
    FrankyStein (FrankyStein) 9 March 2021 22: 53
    +4
    Again, the fraternal people. To this song, the Russians cut off a territory the size of Germany, for which they fought for two hundred years.
  • Valery Radevich_2 (valery radevich) 9 March 2021 23: 25
    +1
    It’s a pity to live in this beautiful time, I don’t have to come to me either.
  • it is best if the Donbassites themselves deal with the ukrai
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 10 March 2021 02: 46
    -5
    There are traitors in the Kremlin and it's clear !!!!
  • Cambustiologist Offline Cambustiologist
    Cambustiologist (Valery Volkov) 10 March 2021 08: 41
    +1
    Until you stop calling one people "brotherly" nothing will come of it. Which is by the way the president is doing. In reality, there are no Ukrainians or Belarusians. Is there russians in here. All. If in 1917 we were divided, then what? Should we continue this farce now? That's when our great goodwins' understanding of this changes, that's when we will decide everything. And so, writing fairy tales like you is not a lot of mind.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 10 March 2021 10: 52
      +2
      Until you stop calling one people "brotherly" nothing will come of it. Which is by the way the president is doing. In reality, there are no Ukrainians or Belarusians. Is there russians in here. All. If in 1917 we were divided, then what? Should we continue this farce now? That's when our great goodwins' understanding of this changes, that's when we will decide everything. And so, writing fairy tales like you is not a lot of mind.

      It would be possible with a dozen pluses and put a plate in bronze with gold letters on the main page of the site good
  • Mona kisa Offline Mona kisa
    Mona kisa (Alla Palm) 10 March 2021 09: 44
    +3
    Many people I know personally are really afraid to go to Ukraine to visit their families or to the graves of loved ones - there were precedents: they beat and cut wheels in a car right in the cemetery just for Moscow license plates. Or you can, for example, ask our truckers: How do they feel on this godforsaken land? Many on the way to southern Europe would rather make a detour of several hundred kilometers through Belarus and the Schengen countries, just not to get there. Unfortunately, there are many such examples from ordinary life. That is, the benefits of returning all this to their home harbor are more than enough.

    The author of this article has no logic (sorry for being straightforward). First, he recognizes the territory of the former Ukraine and its population as aggressive Russophobic inadequacies, and then demands that they be annexed to Russia ...
    And Russia is full of all sorts of idiots - there was still not enough to average the limited number of Ukrainian idiots, and then Russia is definitely the end.
  • antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
    antibi0tikk (Sergei) 10 March 2021 11: 22
    0
    Does Russia need Ukraine? And in what form: as a republic or as regional centers (such as Voronezh, Samara, etc.)? These are difficult questions ... If such a decision-making moment comes, it would be nice to hold some kind of referendum. Not with them, with us. It will take a very long and difficult time to rake any guano there.
    Personally, my opinion: you can't leave your brother in trouble.
    1. Alexander Sevastyanov (Alexander Nikitich Sevastyanov) 11 March 2021 00: 04
      -1
      Bandera is not a brother to the Russian. And this is the prevailing type of Ukrainian today.
      1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 04: 29
        0
        Alexander Sevastyanov, don't lie! Not predominant. Social statistics in the studio!
    2. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 41
      0
      an incurable drug addict brother does not need to be touched - he himself will be chipped to death.
  • sd000016 Offline sd000016
    sd000016 (Alexander) 10 March 2021 11: 44
    0
    In the main and on the whole I agree with the author, it is time to finish with the Ukrainian mess and you need to hit first. There are only a few minor remarks.
    1. High-precision missiles for decision-making centers, warehouses and troops (artillery, rocket launchers, accumulations of armored vehicles, airfields) must be used, since they must be tested in real business. Syria alone is not enough.
    2. The Galician Banderaites should not be forced out into their native Galicia, but, on the contrary, should be surrounded and completely destroyed in the east of Ukraine.
    3. As for Galicia, I am also not quite sure that it should be given away. There are also many of our people who keep quiet in the face of terror. It would be necessary to hold a referendum there under the supervision of Poland, Hungary and Russia. Wherever the population wants, let them go there.
    4. This is about the history of the Second World War. The Wehrmacht was the best army of that time and objectively surpassed the Red Army in almost all qualitative indicators, and at the moment of the offensive at the very beginning, it was able to surpass in the main quantitative ones, due to the competent organization and effective use of the resources available to it by that time. Details on the site "Archival Revolution", entirely dedicated to the history of the Second World War.
  • Alexander Polonsky (Alexander Polonsky) 10 March 2021 16: 03
    +6
    You know, I have never participated in rallies and protests, although I am not indifferent to politics. But! .. If again there is talk about the union of "fraternal" peoples, I will protest with all my might. Including on the street.
    We have had enough of these unions, where it is the leading and uniting people, the Russians, who always live worse. I am really 100% sure that if we put together again the semblance of the USSR, all the republics - every single one - will live better than native Russia. And now everyone, except for the Balts, lives worse and comes here to earn money.
    Only certain regions of Ukraine, only voluntarily and only in the Russian Federation! No unions that we will have to feed! No friendship of peoples at our expense, as it was in the USSR - there this friendship was paid for by the Russian Ivan, who gave every third ruble he earned to his younger brothers. At the same time, the brothers lived better than Ivan himself: the Ukrainian even walked on asphalt in the villages and often had natural gas since the 60s, and the Georgians consumed 3,5 times more than they produced. Remember who was the symbol of a millionaire in the country of the Soviets? Not a Russian, who secured this alliance and wore a quilted jacket and kirzachs, but a Georgian at the airfield.
    No unions, let's get along well ourselves and start building our own, not brotherly, non-brotherly land.
    1. sd000016 Offline sd000016
      sd000016 (Alexander) 10 March 2021 22: 49
      +3
      Alexander Polonsky, no one intends to return to the organization that was under the USSR -1. Now this (USSR-2) will be a union of independent countries in which everyone earns a living independently, but at the same time there are common interests, for example: a single energy and transport system. Armenia and Azerbaijan do not love each other for this, but now they are jointly trying to restore the destroyed railway and in this intention they depend on each other, and we will help them here and Turkey and Iran are also interested. Maybe remember what riots were in Armenia over the Armenian nuclear power plant during the Soviet era, how the Armenians demanded that Moscow close it. As soon as they became independent, they quickly restored it, because now Moscow does not have to worry about the energy supply of Armenia. Wanted independence - sign for receipt, but back to the USSR-1, there is no move. Only forward to the USSR-2.
    2. Alexander Sevastyanov (Alexander Nikitich Sevastyanov) 11 March 2021 00: 03
      +1
      No one will voluntarily release the pro-Russian regions from Ukraine, reunification is possible only through a full-scale war.
  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 10 March 2021 17: 02
    -6
    The citizens of the Russian Federation feel it on their own skin. For 8 years, the standard of living has not been growing.
    1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 37
      0
      and in which country, besides China, is it growing? Europe falls, in SGA ass and BLM ...
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 16 March 2021 19: 27
        -2
        Quote: Sergey Mo
        and in which country, besides China, is it growing?

        In the world approx. 200 states. There is growth in the overwhelming number of them. Even the USA has a growth twice as high as the RF. And Estonia too.
  • art_2 Offline art_2
    art_2 (Mikhail Yuryevich Artemyev) 10 March 2021 17: 05
    -5
    Putin will never go against the "West". And he is quite happy with the "west". Rhetoric is for fools.
    1. sd000016 Offline sd000016
      sd000016 (Alexander) 10 March 2021 22: 53
      -1
      Putin, of course, not quite, but in general he really suits the West.
  • VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 10 March 2021 17: 48
    +2
    The author mentions the brotherly Ukrainian people. Apparently he has not been or has not been to Ukrainian forums for a long time. Unfortunately, we can safely say that the word "brotherly people" can already be forgotten. During the seven years of the Bandera junta's rule, the brains of the majority of the population have been so brainwashed and processed by the Vyatrovichy anti-Russian propaganda that any admonitions are unlikely to help. I'm not even talking about the younger generation who were born with "Bandera" Russophobic blood. Therefore, the author's optimistic plans for a victorious "liberation" march to the borders of Transnistria can be equated with fantasies in a computer military strategic game ...
    1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
      pvlshvz (Paul) 10 March 2021 22: 10
      +2
      At these forums, Ukrainians from Ukraine will be one out of a hundred. The rest are from anywhere, from Canada, Poland, America. Divide and conquer still the Romans came up with. One and the same "Decepticon" can, as they say, "drown" both Ukrainians and Russians, inciting hatred. And you start asking him details, it turns out he does not know elementary things either about Ukraine, or, even more so, about Russia.
    2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 03: 41
      +1
      hike, you are sitting on the sites of all sorts of Ukrainian info-garbage dumpsters, such as Censr.net, etc., but do not look at opinion polls and draw your own narrow conclusions. Simple logic is not inherent in you? Do not bother that Ze came to power with the support of 73% of people , the overwhelming majority of whom supported him precisely because of his alleged desire to restore relations with the Russian Federation and end the war? Yes, propaganda did its job and very much at first brainwashed many doubters, etc. But it only consolidated the backbone of Russophobes and part of the amorphous mass attracted to itself. But the majority, on the contrary, after years, figured out what maydaun was in fact and what there is war and so on. in Donbass. The problem is not that. The problem is that the Russian Federation, Ukraine, in general, in many respects is uninterested and it is not going to fight for it and call somewhere, promising some kind of "interesting" joint future. Ukrainians understand this and see , as they see how much the United States is holding the country by the throat, knocking out the remnants of sovereignty, and they do not see the former weakening of the United States in the world. And on the contrary: the steadfastness and power of the United States has been cultivated here in recent years extremely aggressively, together with the belief that Ukraine is for The USA is extremely important (in part it is).
      1. VladZ Offline VladZ
        VladZ (Vladimir) 11 March 2021 14: 21
        +2
        It's good that you are from Odessa, the more interesting the conversation. Yes, you guessed it, I sometimes visit these info-fake dumpsters. Sinful. Because I always want to know all points of view. And I see that in these "garbage dumps", apart from gun-looters (they are, of course, regulars there), there are also many Ukrainians, whose brains have been thoroughly processed with propaganda. This is clearly affected by the lack of the opportunity to hear (see) another point of view. Closing opposition channels now will only exacerbate this problem. About those 73%? Still, I disagree with you. And I think that Odessa, like Mariupol, is not an indicator in this matter (support for Russia) in relation to the whole of Ukraine. And those 73%, as they are now called "Zelebobs", voted for Zelensky not so much for supporting Russia, but rather for ending the war. And this, you must agree, are different things. I am sure that the overwhelming majority of them harbor no friendly illusions either towards Poroshenko or towards Russia. And the true state of affairs in this matter, perhaps, can be seen by comparing with the indicator of those who voted for HLE. And this is 20% of the population of Ukraine, no more .... And in your own Odessa, there is clearly a process of "Europeanization" of Odessa residents and new "Goncharenko-Sternenkovites" are becoming more and more every year ...
        1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
          Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 03: 14
          +3
          It was not for nothing that at the very beginning of my comment, I began to write about opinion polls and so on. Not the most trustworthy institution in the beginning of March gave fresh data. But here there is a visual graph, where the positive and greatest dynamics of improving the attitude of Ukrainians to the Russian Federation is clearly visible precisely from the moment Ze was nominated for the presidency and plus the winning of the elections of his faction in the Verkhovna Rada and in the localities.https: //www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2021/03/3/7285400/ At the moment in comparison with In 2014, after the Crimea was squeezed out, there was an obvious slight improvement in the attitude towards the Russian Federation among Ukrainians, especially in 2019. It certainly does not fantasize about love for the Russian Federation, but against the background of 7 years of simply total hysterical propaganda of Western and Ukros, this paradox is just observed ...
          With 73% for Ze, there are approximately 20% of the nuclear electorate. They are exactly for Ze, and among them there are approximately 5-7% who ALWAYS vote for any power, whatever it may be. So I think that in fact it is and there are at the moment at least 45-50% of the population of Ukraine on average in the country who are well related to the Russian Federation, not taking the southeast, where the percentage is even higher, and the West, where it is lower. For example, against them, but for the party of Shariy. And in Odessa there are a lot of them. The PLOs are very odious and are not an indicator of pro-Russianness. This is a deception, not an indicator. But this is better than Freedom for me personally, for example. Goncharenko is frankly in Odessa. They despise him and therefore are skeptical of him. Knowing this, he ran in the region from some town. And Sternenko, in general, NEVER was an Odessa citizen and came from the village of Vishnevoe near Odessa (sort of like that), or rather ran away from his father to the city after school Even the cops who guarded him hate him and openly call him scum. I keep myself from the former siloviks and I have something to know not only from the media. But for the local townspeople, I generally keep quiet. They know this scum well, how he sold drugs and openly bombed some drinks for the money ordered by competitors, and covered others. I personally watched at my house how his people from the PS bombed several competing drinks. And for the murder of a person, which he posted online on the fb, I generally keep quiet. So I disagree with you. We have all sorts of stubble in the city - these are aliens and local spills of such characters, I personally do not know, as well as the same local well-known pseudo-activist Ganul, who is clean, but not under the sushnaya like Syrozha, but under the roof of the cops, too, is odd, sent from Kirovograd. Specific and very rich. Here people constantly and decently come not only from all over Ukraine. The city is still a millionaire exclusively due to migration. Some of them leave the city for permanent residence, and all sorts of people from villages and small towns mostly come on the contrary to live. There are a lot of sailors, they have very decent salaries by Ukrainian standards (from the most beggarly $ 1500 to $ 12 thousand a month, and now they are mainly those and command personnel, because in recent years they prefer to take the same cheaper Filipinos for simple sailor positions) .Approximately 70 thousand sailors. With families it is approx.
          On sites like Censor.net, both me and my many acquaintances were stupidly banned from the very beginning. I personally at the very beginning, as soon as Crimea was squeezed out and these attempts to unleash a war in Donbass went. I just persistently called for the lovers of war to reason and stop the madness, describing , in what state of the APU and how it will end later. Well, in the end it turned out that way later. I’m still fucked there. So what?
          And the channels are not completely closed. They broadcast freely on YouTube. For example, I rarely watched them on TV. Mostly in the net. The fact is that recently there was data that for the first time in Ukraine, people on the net are watching more often news. than on TV. So not everything is so sad, although some outflow may be due to the overlap of alternative information. But I think that it is mostly pensioners who still look at the box the old fashioned way. And it is easy for pensioners to reorient here and there. I look at old people surrounded and familiar. For a month they are watching "1 + 1" - ardent Maidanists. For a month "Channel 112" - they already hate Maydaun and obvious anti-Maidan people. And in a year, three times there, they are reforged here. They simply do not have access to alternative sources of information and the Internet is not for them. And young people rarely watch TV.
          1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
            Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 30
            0
            the phrase "squeezing the Crimea" betrays Bandera with his head.
            How is it necessary not to respect the population of Sevastopol and Crimea in order to say that they were squeezed out?
            more than 95% in Sevastopol and 96% in Crimea as a whole VOTED FOR INCLUDING RUSSIA in a referendum, the security of which was ensured by the Russian military.
        2. Regular Igor Offline Regular Igor
          Regular Igor (Igor Osipov) April 16 2021 14: 45
          0
          And the true state of affairs in this matter, perhaps, can be seen by comparing with the indicator of those who voted for HLE. And this is 20% of the population of Ukraine, no more .... And in your own Odessa, there is clearly a process of "Europeanization" of Odessa residents and new "Goncharenko-Sternenkovites" are becoming more and more every year ...

          I love it when Russians speak for Odessa and Odessa citizens!
          The nonsense about the "Europeanization" of the inhabitants of Odessa and the new "Goncharenko-Sternenkovites" is the result of the "talk shownization" of the Solovby-Minks, and nothing more ...
          How did you decide that there are only holy people in the HLS? Ask what is included in this HLE .. Yes, there are people of hope in HLE. The same Boyko and Medvedchuk. And now remember how, three days before the presidential elections in Ukraine, E. Bondarenko was launched on all talk shows in Russia, who screamed: “Why are you talking with Boyko and Medvedchuk (she’s about the BB’s meeting with them), because they organized a maidan and coup d'etat ".. And neither Solovyov, nor Sheinin, nor Tolstoy - NOBODY pulled her back, turned off her microphone .. So, Boyko was discredited from the TV screens of Russia.
          Yes, in Ukraine, not a single channel speaks the truth. That is why in Ukraine more and more Russian channels are watched .. But you look at them and you realize that there is NO special difference in the fact that all these channels broadcast in the Russian Federation and Ukraine!
  • Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 10 March 2021 20: 23
    0
    But you can and so. "Take" the Odessa region. This is a completely feasible task. The population there is 100% Russian-speaking, watching Russian TV, Yes, not organized in any way, but this is a question for Russia, which swallowed May 2, 2014. People stood the next day in a crowd of thousands in front of the SBU in Odessa. Didn't know what to do. At least someone would suggest. It was the same in Simferopol, but there they suggested, organized, helped. Odessa was abandoned.
    Okay, you can't bring it back. But you can still. There are almost no troops in the region. There are strategic bridges, there are landing sites, there are ports and airfields. In the rear - Transnistria. If these conditions are not called ideal, then what? Taking control and cleansing the stench of nationalism of the Odessa region will have an impact on the neighboring regions and on Moldova. Let's kill two or more birds with one stone. And Romania at gunpoint! Territory for self-sufficiency. What they earned and ate. No subsidies. Recover quickly. There is a nuance. The ingenuity of the inhabitants of Odessa in particular and of the Ukrainians in general is known, therefore, the power of the new region is concentrated in Tiraspol, who have proved their loyalty to Russia. Yes, the main money will circulate in Odessa, but solid power will be in Tiraspol. Further it will be seen.
    1. trampoline instructor (Bazil Bazil) 10 March 2021 22: 46
      0
      Can not be so.
      During the Second World War, that Odessa was occupied by the Romanians, and the inhabitants of Odessa felt themselves quite well under the conditions of the "occupation". The Romanian administration was tired of raking up complaints and denunciations of the population: everyone knocked on neighbors, friends, acquaintances and strangers ... they caught guerrillas-underground fighters, imaginary and real. Odessa has always been a city of hucksters, hucksters, smugglers and petty punks, a breeding ground for crime, and Odessa residents were in opposition to any government.
      Romania at gunpoint? She is already there. After the annexation of Crimea and its transformation into an unsinkable aircraft carrier of Russia, the need for Transnistria and the northern Black Sea region has disappeared altogether; in the age of high-precision weapons, two or three hundred kilometers do not play a special role.
      Therefore, there are absolutely no benefits from your ideas, from any point of view.
      1. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
        Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 03: 53
        -1
        do not bear the golimy chaos about “the inhabitants of Odessa felt themselves quite well under the conditions of the“ occupation ”. I am from Odessa, and if I begin to describe here what happened during the occupation, then there will be little space, and you will be ashamed of the lie. hucksters and so on. I agree. But Odessa is a large transit and other center was still under tsarist Russia.
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        2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
          Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 13: 43
          +1
          those that minus! You read, for a start, the history of the occupation of Odessa and how the inhabitants of Odessa were hanged and spread by tens of thousands, how the underground fought, etc., and then minus. I am for the historical truth about my city and its heroic milestone in the struggle to anyone here your mouth is ready to shut up!
    2. Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
      Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 12 March 2021 22: 02
      0
      Teacher, I will not analyze the issue deeply and seriously, all the more it is multifaceted, but I will write the MOST important thing: One region does not have borders with the Russian Federation and its economy was very small (an ammonia plant, and an oil refinery that was already working limitedly from large enterprises) , unlike Donbass, is connected with the Russian and there is definitely less pro-Russian sentiments than in the so-called LPNR. In addition, there is a strategic hub, for which they very quickly agreed with the local elite and redistributed everything. work according to the Donbass or Crimean scenario.
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  • Alexander Sevastyanov (Alexander Nikitich Sevastyanov) 11 March 2021 00: 01
    +3
    1997-1999 I was the head of the department of Ukraine and the Crimea, and then the deputy director for science of the Institute of the CIS countries, I have been and have been working on the Russian-Ukrainian problem for many years. I believe that hoping for reunification with all of Ukraine, minus only Galicia, is an illusion. The maximum possible - and this is the only solution to the problem - is the partition of Ukraine and the reunification of Russia with its historical lands from Kharkov to Tiraspol. This is possible only through a full-scale war with Ukraine and its complete and unconditional surrender, followed by denazification and everything else on the model of Germany in 1945.
    1. Alexander Polonsky (Alexander Polonsky) 11 March 2021 00: 35
      +4
      I have a lot of relatives and friends all over Ukraine, in the Donbass and Crimea, and I completely agree with you.
      Something could have been done in the very first years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, while the ties had not yet been severed. But, even if it was possible to restore a unified state in the early 90s, then soon another very serious problem would arise, and it would only grow over time. I mean, the Ukrainians at that time were firmly convinced that, having become independent, they were about to become the second France. Previously, Moscow took all the riches for itself, but now there is a direct road to France. And they would never have seen the shame that this once prosperous Soviet republic has actually become. And now they would blame Russia again for their insufficiently fed life.
      And Russia, in order to appease them, would try, as in the Soviet Union, to buy Ukrainians, with all its might providing them with a standard of living higher than in Russia. At the expense of the Russians, of course. Do we need such a Union? I definitely don't.
      And now only a person who is divorced from reality and who has not been to Ukraine for a long time can speak and write about the reunification of "fraternal" peoples. There was nothing left of Soviet Ukraine, except for the destroyed buildings of factories. These people will soon be more hostile to us than the Poles.
      1. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 11 March 2021 15: 14
        -1
        even if it was possible to restore a single state in the early 90s

        Yeah, in December 91 only one single state was destroyed, but "in the early 90s" it had to be restored. And when would you have time to exchange your voucher for two Volgas?
    2. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 11 March 2021 11: 13
      -2
      reunification of Russia with its historical lands from Kharkov to Tiraspol.

      Comrade scientist, Tiraspol was founded in 1792 at the direction of Suvorov, and the interfluve of the Dniester and the Prut (Bessarabia) was part of the Russian Empire since 1812. So "with its historical lands" we still need to look.
  • Alexander Sevastyanov (Alexander Nikitich Sevastyanov) 11 March 2021 00: 09
    +2
    To understand the Russian-Ukrainian topic, I can recommend looking here: https://www.sevastianov.ru/arkhiv/ukraina-i-my.html
  • Barmaley_2 Offline Barmaley_2
    Barmaley_2 (Barmaley) 11 March 2021 01: 43
    +1
    Dreams-dreams and wet fantasies mixed with game and "righteous anger." the main mistakes and misunderstanding in general of all processes in Ukraine and not only. The author of the article, understand one thing: the USSR had its own INDEPENDENT EC-KUY SYSTEM and was not integrated into the West practically IN ANY WAY! -th bloc is absolutely pro-Western! An elementary question arises: the Russian Federation hardly maintains the Crimea and the scanty TN LDNR. How would it feed FULLY then in the event of the seizure of Ukraine by closed European markets and where would it put its gas? In this case, liquefied gas would definitely be American in the EU and at any price. You don’t understand that there is NO fundamental, fundamental and attractive development model for neighbors in the Russian Federation, THERE IS NO EK-koy base for this, etc. .The USSR offered the world at the very least, BUTalternative ideas of everything and a model. Even ISIS, banned in the Russian Federation, have it. What does the Russian Federation have and what can it offer to whom? Gas, oil and?
    So, in the Russian Federation, it was IN THE ORIGINS that they understood that they could not offer ANYTHING of interest to build, and even more so with such liberal builders as Kudrin, Gref and K. And that is why at the very beginning and bypassing the railway line was launched, and import substitution, and a bridge to the Crimea and a pipe bypassing, etc.
    In addition, Ukraine is a very important toy in the geopolitics of the United States, or rather a stick, both against the EU and against the Russian Federation. They will either give it away for a very exorbitant price or never give it up at all.
    1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 19
      0
      ukrAina long ago turned into a suitcase without a handle for the West. And they will try to shove Ukrainian into Russia.
      Industry is killed, CX - Russia feeds itself (with beef not yet 100% of its own). We do not need ANYTHING from this territory.
      The Russian Federation is not experiencing difficulties with the maintenance of Crimea. NO.
      In 2020, in contrast to the collective West, Russia has INCREASED both the gold and foreign exchange reserves and the trade balance in its favor. Look at the YouTube channel of the Crimean Igor Korsakov (in detail about the reconstruction, the creation of reservoirs and water pipelines, about the Tavrida highway, etc.)
      And about the economic model of the USSR, which kept its Russian citizens in a black body for the sake of feeding the "fraternal" republics and feeding a bunch of countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America is long overdue to FORGET.
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 March 2021 08: 08
    +4
    All of Ukraine as a part of the Russian Federation is not needed, its population is not loyal to the Russian Federation, and feeding animals with Russophobia at the expense of the Russian budget is not only stupidity, but also a crime. It is necessary to return the Russian Federation to its lands, such as Kharkov, Donbass, Odessa, and let Ukraine gnaw the bones of its Bandera. All Bandera, Basmachi and forest brothers should be deported from Russia with deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation and confiscation of property, without the right to enter the territory of the Russian Federation. Members of the Bandera parties, National Battalions and ATO officers just need to be hung on lamp posts, like war criminals
  • Alexander Samoilov_2 (Alexander Samoilov) 11 March 2021 10: 23
    +1
    It used to be like this!

    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 11 March 2021 11: 17
      0
      Earlier? It is when? After 1922?
      Until 1914, this could not have happened.
      And the poster says about the "Russian" people (consisting of all the peoples inhabiting Russia), and not about the Russian in particular.
  • Radar62 Offline Radar62
    Radar62 (Novel) 11 March 2021 14: 04
    +1
    Dear author, I missed somewhere or did you not write about who will have to pay Ukraine's debts to the West? And they will not leave this question to chance. Russia? Great, Brzezinski is quite rubbing his hands! In general, your article (in my opinion) suggests thoughts about Manilov's reasoning in the plot from Dead Souls and about the expression that: "it was smooth on paper, but the gullies interfered."
    1. Miffer Offline Miffer
      Miffer (Sam Miffers) 11 March 2021 15: 26
      +1
      You have not written about who will have to pay Ukraine's debts to the West?

      I imagine that if your former friend Vasya owes your enemy Kolya some money, then you do not sleep at night and you can’t do it, wondering how poor Vasya will settle accounts with this bastard Kolya :))

      Brzezinski is rubbing his hands with satisfaction!

      Excuse me, but you were not told in the political information that Brzezinski died in May 2017?

      ... but the gullies interfered.

      "... but they forgot about the ravines, and walk on them."

      Dz: absent-mindedness of consciousness.
      1. Radar62 Offline Radar62
        Radar62 (Novel) 11 March 2021 15: 32
        0
        The meaning of yours is reminiscent of an anecdote, where at the end:

        ..... but the point is where? - And the essence of the promo is in the sand!
  • AlenLes Offline AlenLes
    AlenLes (AlenLes) 11 March 2021 17: 19
    +1
    Russia is not a party to the conflict in Donbass and will not fight with Ukraine (how can you fight a part of yourself?)) They will solve the issue with M & M (first), if M and M do not solve anything (and they cannot decide anything), then Biden will have to explain something in the only language he understands)
  • Sergey Levchenko (Sergey Levchenko) 11 March 2021 19: 38
    -1
    very good competently. nothing to add.
  • minby Offline minby
    minby 12 March 2021 23: 06
    0
    It will be either so, or somehow in another way, but something will explode soon.
  • koshmarik Offline koshmarik
    koshmarik (Vadim) 13 March 2021 12: 18
    +2
    Everything is fine, everything is correct, but the main question - how the Ukrainian people will react to the annexation, the author bypassed, but in vain. Starting from the presidency of Kuchma and up to the present time, there has been an intensified Russophobic treatment of the population of Ukraine, which a priori cannot but give a result. I regularly send money to my sister, whose family lives in Ukraine, they accept the money with gratitude, but they don't even want to think about friendship with Russia and vilify Putin in every possible way. Well, we will get such a Ukraine, and even with a collapsed economy. Agree, a fun life will begin for Russia and the Russians. Do we need it today?
    1. Archie Offline Archie
      Archie (Arthur) 14 March 2021 18: 53
      +2
      And I have relatives and friends there, both in Odessa and in Kharkov. And they openly say that if the Russians come, they will come out with weapons to help ours, drive the Natsiks. Why don't they do it now? You yourself understand the vileness of this question. the state for the Natsiks the state turns a blind eye when their opponents Bandera and defenders of the Russian world for a quick burn. They are not rams without brains, they have a family, children, but they have a good memory and remember everything and the time will come for everything. The question will be different? My friends will tolerate yours if they openly blaspheme Russia and even Putin will not remain silent and will not be inactive. It is a fact. And frankly, for the sake of many and many facts, you can tolerate a little and liberated Ukraine will rise as a country, eradicate first the Natsiks, then those who sympathize with them, and then it will improve the way of life and the economy, and the Russian Federation will help.
    2. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 12: 01
      0
      I fully support your position. my wife has relatives in the Rivne region and Kharkov.
      Complete Russophobes.
  • Archie Offline Archie
    Archie (Arthur) 14 March 2021 18: 46
    0
    You know, but I agree with the author .. there is no need to look back either at the West or at the EU. They will not be able to do anything so catastrophic to us ... Their hands are short for that. And yes, gurgling in the end, in any case, the western EU donor countries will be grateful to us. And in Russia, we have a historical fate, a God-given fate, a duty, if you want the cross of God to eradicate fascism in all its manifestations. Is this fate opposed to us !?
  • Ragnarek Offline Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 14 March 2021 18: 56
    +3
    The author is direct what a naive bratskonarodnik.
    And he counted the economic losses of the Russian Federation during the return of the plagued territory with destroyed industry and a thoroughly beaten off population? Why, instead of developing its territory, Russia will pump money into the outskirts?
  • SHIMAN Offline SHIMAN
    SHIMAN (Valery) 15 March 2021 10: 09
    +1
    There is no analytics at all.
    The fragmentation of Ukraine does not solve any of the problems identified by the author for Russia:
    1. The main gas storage facilities of the Ukrainian GTS are located in the Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk regions. This is just Galicia. That is, the problem of gas transportation is not being solved.
    2. The problem of eliminating the anti-Russian abscess on the borders of Russia, the same is not being solved, since in the person of Galicia Russia will receive an even more aggressive education.
    3. The international voice of Ukraine in the UN will most likely remain with those areas where the government of the "new Ukraine" in exile will move.
    4. Missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine will raise anti-Russian sentiments even in the eastern regions.
    The article reflects the opinion of a significant part of Russian society, but in essence this opinion is extremely harmful to the interests of Russia. Russia needs Ukraine as a whole, without any fragmentation, and this is the only way Russia can solve its problems. Otherwise, Russia will maintain the existing status quo and watch how Ukraine is slowly degrading and dying out under the western protectorate. So most likely there will be no section.
    1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 11: 56
      +1
      Valera, there is almost no pro-Russian population left there. Remember the events of 2014 and the "300 Cossacks" who threw eggs, flour and stones for Russia and for them. All went to Russia.
      Aggressive Natsik youths extinguish everything "pro-Russian", Odessa became Odessa with Selyuk.
      Those who had the opportunity PUMPED into Russia or Israel.
      Ukraine DOESN'T NEED Russia. For the West, the country has become a "suitcase without a handle."
      Industry is killed, Russia does not need agriculture. We export ourselves.
      The cost of rebuilding this underexploited economy is enormous. Why should we intercept this "suitcase without a handle" from the West?
      1. Sergey Pedenko Offline Sergey Pedenko
        Sergey Pedenko (Sergey Pedenko) April 3 2021 13: 21
        0
        you need a loyal neighbor, not an awl in one place //
      2. Regular Igor Offline Regular Igor
        Regular Igor (Igor Osipov) April 13 2021 15: 20
        0
        Odessa became Odessa with Seluk - just for you. Unfortunately, the "absent" propaganda on Russian TV works in such a way that any trick of any scum from Ukraine will be protested for weeks on all channels. But the shares of Odessa residents add oblivion. Irada Zeynalova showed in her program an interview with a Natsik who was splashing saliva over separatist Odessa ... (I found a correspondent, and I found a Natsik ...) But not a single channel in Russia told about how Odessans celebrated April 10. ...
        You can rant as much as you like about the impossibility of Ukraine, but today cargoes to / from Russia go through the Odessa port, and the engines of Russian SUs are being repaired at the aircraft repair plant. And I think that Russia is better off getting powdered milk from Ukriana than from Norway ...
        In addition, talking about Ukraine joining the Russian Federation is probably not entirely correct. Cooperation within the Union is also possible! And they know how to work with us! It is not for nothing that the Russian government was concerned about how to attract guest workers to their construction sites ...
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) April 13 2021 15: 54
          +1
          Regular Igor... An artificial trench of hatred between our countries, dug not without the participation of representatives of the Promised Land, is trying to make it even deeper, wider and fill it with the blood of our peoples.

          Dig from both sides. Someone consciously, and someone by virtue of their natural mental limitations.
  • Anatoly A. Offline Anatoly A.
    Anatoly A. (Anatoly) 15 March 2021 10: 35
    +2
    ... "return to the native harbor" ... all the rest of the former Ukrainian SSR, with the exception of its most Probander part - Galicia ...

    Do we need it? The rest of the former Ukrainian SSR? And can we cope with all this, where several generations of young people have already been brought up in a fierce anti-Russian style?
    We only need Donbass and the Black Sea region with access to Transnistria. Perhaps the Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk regions. All this was real in 2014-15. Unfortunately, someone was being too careful! ..
    There is no need to amuse yourself with unrealizable dreams of the return of Ukraine. We must courageously and consistently do everything necessary for its collapse and transformation into a small landlocked country.
  • Rus Oren Offline Rus Oren
    Rus Oren (Rus Oren) 15 March 2021 23: 34
    0
    totally disagree. here is the link, look, read who is there to attach? for a long time all the brains have been washed there and there are simply no friends.
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/drevniykavkaz/na-ukraine-v-iarosti-ot-otkaza-germanii-svorachivat-vygodnyi-severnyi-potok2-6037c638d4391d5d920fe0a5
    I had enough photos when viewing. and we need it? on the territory to get a bunch of partisans.
    1. Rus Oren Offline Rus Oren
      Rus Oren (Rus Oren) 16 March 2021 00: 29
      0


      here's more about this bastard pan-head.
  • av58 Offline av58
    av58 (Andrei) 16 March 2021 11: 25
    +1
    I wrote, and I shed a tear from my sweet fairy tales laughing

    Ukraine is no longer what it was before 1991, these are completely different people with a distorted consciousness. Now it defines the generation that did not know the Soviet Union, for which the West is the light in the window, and Russia is the enemy.
    “Most of the Ukrainians, including those living on the territory of large Novorossia such as Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, etc., hate Russia, and are patriots of Independent, and nationalists at best, and in general - Nazis.
    Therefore, only a military defeat of Ukraine is possible, long-term isolation of the occupied regions from the rest of Russia and the regions of the DPR and LPR, and harsh long-term denazification without hesitation in means.
  • Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
    Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 16 March 2021 11: 45
    0
    She died, so she died ...
    Everything was predicted in 2011 by Victor Pelevin in the novel SNUFF.
    Russia DOES NOT NEED this fifth wheel.
  • Friend of the People_2 (Kirill Vetrov) April 1 2021 21: 34
    0
    What cauldron did you serve?
  • Sergey Pedenko Offline Sergey Pedenko
    Sergey Pedenko (Sergey Pedenko) April 3 2021 13: 18
    +1
    tsutswang - As Strelkov explained - and this situation was created by the Russian Federation itself, and at the expense of the sanity of neighbors - 40% of respondents - for a forceful decision)) I do not know what the Russian leadership thought, but the 14th year is a window of opportunity, and we are used to half measures //
  • Lyudmila Ol Offline Lyudmila Ol
    Lyudmila Ol (Lyudmila Olkhovskaya) April 3 2021 14: 46
    -1
    In time and with less blood, there would be a compulsion to peace in 2014 .... Stop indulging in hopes for "brothers and sisters". They are not left there, and the new generation of Maydanutyh is alien to Russia.
  • Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
    Anna Tim (Anna) April 5 2021 12: 40
    +2
    On the one hand, unification is a strong and correct move. On the other hand ... Russia will not be forgiven for Ukraine's accumulated loans from the IMF, they are huge and Ukrainians have nothing to pay with except their own lands. And the retribution in the form of the seizure of land by Western corporations is already underway. For example, for growing monocultures (as a gentle option) or as a cemetery for nuclear and other chemical waste, as a more abrupt option. What to do about it? In my opinion, before annexing Ukraine, it is necessary to deal with its "benefactors" in the power structures, to get the Central Bank of Russia out of the heel of the IMF. Otherwise, the Russians will not be able to pull one more burden, because they will be shouldered by the insane unpaid loans of the Ukrainian authorities, additional expenses for defense, economic recovery, and so on. And the nationalists of Ukraine will spoil their blood, special punitive measures are needed here without looking back to the West. Our countries are brothers, peoples are common families that were forcibly separated by a bunch of scoundrels, fooling inexperienced youth. I want to believe that someday this will come to an end.
  • Vladimir Ismagilov (Vladimir Ismagilov) April 6 2021 22: 22
    0
    Everything will end with the construction of the SP-2, and the disconnection of Dill from all types of food, oil, gas, etc., after which there will be a collapse, there is nowhere to make money, the West is not the USSR, they will not contain parasites ...
  • Vladimir Melnikov (Vladimir Melnikov) April 11 2021 22: 01
    0
    Weak analytics.
  • Real Offline Real
    Real (Svetlana) April 12 2021 18: 16
    -1
    Is it better to return to the borders of the Russian Empire after the war of 1812? Then Poland, following the results of the war, was part of the Empire ...
    So you can endlessly "cut" the territory. This is on the one hand. On the other hand, it is possible, thus, to discourage "gaping your mouth" on, supposedly, primordially your territories ...
    Therefore, politicians should think, and diplomats should negotiate.
  • Valery Vinokurov (valery vinokurov) April 12 2021 19: 56
    +1
    1. The accession of Ukraine is inevitable, it is a matter of time
    2. Belarus will also be annexed, no friendly hugs
    After that, Putin can be at rest
    PS: if the Anglo-Saxons rock the boat, the Anglo-Saxons will not, I think the world will not cry about this either
  • Regular Igor Offline Regular Igor
    Regular Igor (Igor Osipov) April 13 2021 14: 48
    +1
    To beat first - alas, Russia was late .. Actually, she did not need to be the first to beat. It was necessary to support the Russian spring of 2014. Then the nationalists did not spread, they were not so impudent ... And the people rose more than ever! ... "..a targeted, but massive missile attack on" places of decision-making ", strategic depots and places of deployment of tactical forces, I think it will be just right" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? " Excuse me, maybe then Odessa, in which the main forces of the Southern Military District are concentrated, can be immediately wiped off the face of the earth with a Nuclear Bomb?
    Uv. author! Everything is simple with you ... But the TMR is located next to Odessa, in which the Russian contingent of the Armed Forces is blocked ... And seven years of events in the Odessa region show that Russia will do EVERYTHING, so that God forbid it does not shoot, does not rise did not form ..
    And in order to go for any of the options described by the author, Russia must withdraw the signatures from the Geneva agreements in force today ..
    But NATO is still quietly climbing into our region .. God forbid, Moldova will "explode" into the EU, which is now slowed down by the covid ... And here, the Odessanash variant will become quite real ... control of the Black Sea ...
  • Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) April 16 2021 14: 48
    0
    And how are you going to feed more than 30 million people. Pay Ukrainian debts. Pay pensions. And create jobs, if everything in Russia is squeaky. You have forgotten about the dead infrastructure of Ukraine. Where is Zin's money? as Putin said. Nobody will rebuild anything for the Ukrainians.
  • Alov Offline Alov
    Alov (Al) April 20 2021 06: 20
    +1
    All the talk about the need to push the boundaries was good 70 years ago. Rockets are not tanks, for them distances are far from so important. Now the war is held back not by space, but by nuclear weapons. But taking on the maintenance of a country with a destroyed economy and a bunch of debts is a real danger. The Russian economy is still weak. It is not for nothing that the United States ruined Ukraine and drove it into debt. And who said that they do not want to hang this stone around the neck of Russia?
  • turbris Offline turbris
    turbris (Boris) April 29 2021 14: 26
    0
    And of course, who will feed this "brotherly" people and restore industry? No, even when more adequate rulers finally appear in Ukraine, there will be no privileges for the former brothers, only on a mutually beneficial basis and only after the debt is repaid. Never again should the standard of living in Ukraine come close to that of Russia, they will immediately become impudent from this, an agrarian appendage of both the West and Russia, and nothing more.
  • Natalia Govorovskaya (Natalia Govorovskaya) 16 May 2021 12: 06
    +1
    I fully share the thoughts of the author. I am terribly tired of this difficult (cadaveric) situation with Ukraine. It's time to resolve and complete it. We, as a country, have been frozen for as long as 7 years and are afraid to take something drastic with regard to Ukraine. If Russia does not take measures in the near future in relation to this situation, then we will lose much more, we will weaken.
  • Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 7 June 2021 04: 15
    0
    And who will give Ukrainian loans and pay pensions at the expense of what? The idiotic population is numerous as to bring to oneself. Only the NKVD, camps and executions. The other doesn't work. And let them work to feed themselves and their debts. At gunpoint.