NATO analysts gave the victory to the Bayraktar in the confrontation with the Pantsir

March 5 2021 32

The Alliance Air Force Center of Excellence released a report highlighting the high quality of the Turkish Bayraktar combat drones, as well as the inability of the Russian Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems to effectively counter them on the battlefield.

The NATO report, "A Comprehensive Approach to Countering Unmanned Aircraft Systems," points to the successful experience of using these UAVs in the Syrian province of Idlib. To achieve security goals, these drones destroyed many tanks, air defense systems, howitzers, as well as major military buildings. For unmanned aerial vehicles "Bayraktar TB2", the Russian-made Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems pose a great danger, but in Idlib, these anti-aircraft missile systems could not hit Turkish drones.

The Pantsiria-C1 radar station, due to intense interference, could not detect the ammunition fired by Bayraktar, despite the fact that they were within reach

- noted NATO analysts, giving the victory to unmanned aerial vehicles in their confrontation with the "Shells".

General Director of the "Baykar" company Haluk Bayraktar noted the success of these drones during the military confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to him, there "Bayraktars" hit more than fifty air defense systems, a large number of artillery installations and about 140 tanks. Russian anti-aircraft systems were unable to stop Turkish UAVs "even for an hour."

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Binder

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5 March 2021 10: 12

It's like that. "Armor" really turned out to be unable to withstand Turkish drones ...
1. Just a cat
  
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  5 March 2021 10: 34
  
  "Carapace" missed or was it busy with other targets at that time?
2. hig
  
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  5 March 2021 11: 09
  
  Quote: Bindyuzhnik
  It's like that. "Armor" really turned out to be unable to withstand Turkish drones ...
  
  Good! Keep on counting so! And our tanks are made of cardboard, Triumphs with Shells and Torahs are toy ones. Iskanders with Calibers and Zircones are plasticine! And Vanguard and Petrel with Poseidon - in general, cartoons! And Ratnik - so completely, simply - a children's suit! But when the time comes (and it will come, I feel - everything is going to that!), Do not be surprised!
  "We warned you!" (from)
  1. Just a cat
    
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    5 March 2021 11: 31
    
    a loader from Odessa asks: "but what for me?"
  2. Igor Pavlovich
    
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    5 March 2021 20: 05
    
    Aviator, you are mistaken - all the listed equipment is not cardboard, toy and plasticine, but rubber ...
  3. Binder
    
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    6 March 2021 04: 14
    
    Quote: Igor Aviator
    Good! Continue to think so!
    
    These words should be fully attributed to you - continue to consider yourself a mighty advanced power with a bunch of weapons "unparalleled in the world" and completely forget 1941, when after many years of boasting "a mighty blow with little blood on foreign territory" and songs like "Armor is strong and our tanks are fast "followed by an unprecedented defeat in history, millions surrendered and retreat to the Volga.
    1. Then
      
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      8 March 2021 14: 25
      
      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      followed by an unprecedented defeat in history, millions surrendered and retreat to the Volga.
      
      Anything can be. But you forgot the main thing (deliberately did not show) that in the end everything ended in Berlin. So yes. You can count whatever you like and cite Stalingrad as an example. Only those Germans who reached the Volga and managed to survive, and today cry at the memories of this river. In a quiet room and without fanfare, our designers analyze the real experience of using their works and make the necessary adjustments, if necessary.
      1. Binder
        
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        8 March 2021 23: 31
        
        Quote: Dan
        But you forgot the main thing (deliberately did not show) that in the end everything ended in Berlin.
        
        Not wishing in any way to underestimate the feat of the Soviet people who fought the Nazis, I note that the victory over the Third Reich was won by the coalition, which, along with the USSR, included Britain, the USA and a number of other allies, this should be remembered.
        
        Then
        
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        9 March 2021 18: 06
        
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        I note that the victory over the Third Reich was won by the coalition, which, along with the USSR, included Britain, the United States and a number of other allies,
        
        You, obviously, are not at ease with the letter. I said that "... everything ended in Berlin." For what reason are you dragging in allies to me? What I should remember, I know even without the movers. I told you that sometimes a lost battle does not mean a lost war. In case you haven't "caught up". And also that you did not give a single analysis of the case of the defeat of the Armor by Bayraktar. And yet, the Shells themselves do not fight. People control them. This management can be very different, including ugly. And if the installation with the spent ammunition was not able to be removed from the battlefield in time or covered for the reloading period, then the developer is not to blame for this. But as a dockman, you can have any opinion on this. Nothing depends on him anyway. Just a fly flew through the window for a moment ...
        
        Binder
        
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        9 March 2021 20: 50
        
        I do not see any point in further communication, you are so dense that you do not even know that the bindyuzhnik is not a port loader, but a dray driver. loaders in those distant times were called ambals. With your meager stock of knowledge, you shouldn't try to talk about serious matters - not your level.
        
        isofat
        
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        9 March 2021 21: 05
        
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        ... a bailiff is not a dockman, but a dray driver.
        
        Binder, you are such a dense frame that you continue to portray a dray cabman, although everyone has long known that you are a loader from Israel, retired.
        
        Then
        
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        10 March 2021 08: 08
        
        Quote: Bindyuzhnik
        I do not see any point in further communication, you are so dense that you do not even know that the bindyuzhnik is not a port loader, but a dray driver
        
        Well, that is, in essence, you have no arguments? I see ...
3. sgrabik
  
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  5 March 2021 12: 05
  
  Quote: Bindyuzhnik
  It's like that. "Armor" really turned out to be unable to withstand Turkish drones ...
  
  These are all ridiculous unfounded Wishlist, in Syria, the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system regularly and successfully operates against all types of UAVs, there are, of course, complexes with full characteristics, and not with truncated ones as on export versions, well, the training and high professionalism of our air defense missile systems operators also plays an important role!
4. Stanislav Bykov
  
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  5 March 2021 21: 16
  
  Lies, the network is full of photos of the wreckage of downed Turkish UAVs, including "Armor", besides this, these complexes have proven themselves perfectly in the protection of "Khmeimim", not a single drone has ever reached its goal, so your conclusions have nothing to do with reality
5. Kofesan
  
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  5 March 2021 23: 17
  
  Quote: Bindyuzhnik
  The "shells" really turned out to be not ...
  
  This is not true. The proof is Tartus and Khmeimim. There, even MLRS shells are shot down. It's just that the war in Karabakh was a tribal war. Imagine what if some had only machine guns, while others had only grenade launchers? Who won? ... Exactly!
  So NATO members are just petty dirty tricks. Flatter the Turks and scare the savages away from Russian weapons. On that and get rich.
  1. Binder
    
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    6 March 2021 04: 20
    
    Quote: Kofesan
    This is not true. The proof is Tartus and Khmeimim.
    
    Have these Russian bases ever been attacked by Turkish drones? The network showed only some handicrafts brought down by the Russians.
    1. Kofesan
      
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      6 March 2021 09: 05
      
      Whose do you think is being shot down there? Turkish? Xha! Take it steeper ... Although Turkey is also "involved."
      And what does "handicraft" mean? You cannot buy such details as on their "handicraft" in the store. Even in Chinese. Even for big money ... Reconsider the issues of the MO from the start of the company in Syria. Everything is thoroughly chewed there. With pictures!
      These are not "handicraft" drones, but a well thought out imitation of "handicraft" ones. In order to find vulnerabilities, including Armor. But so far, in vain!
      1. Binder
        
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        6 March 2021 13: 41
        
        Fables of Grandpa Krylov!
        
        Quote: Kofesan
        In order to find vulnerabilities, including Armor. But so far, in vain!
        
        Do not flatter yourself - the capabilities of "Shell" are known to all interested parties.
        
        Kofesan
        
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        7 March 2021 11: 04
        
        The Turkish commanders themselves confidently assert that the Pantsir C2 systems are working more than successfully against Bayraktar TB 1. And as such, UAVs do not have such systems in places where such systems are installed. If the enemy is armed with the Pantsir C1 complex in the air defense system, and this has not been detected, then sending Bayraktar TB 2 on a mission is completely pointless - it will be shot down and lost.
        And it was not he who showed himself in Karabakh either. And a bunch of small reconnaissance drones and reactive guided munitions aimed at their beam. And these are no longer fairy tales ...
        And the Turkish press really wants to take in, besides Qatar and Kuwait, its mediocre drones to as many mugs as possible who do not distinguish between fairy tales and reality ...
6. Ivancarafuto
  
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  8 March 2021 17: 32
  
  Have you been informed? Sofa experts? Or the advertising department of a company producing "bayraktars"?
sgrabik

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5 March 2021 10: 13

Well, with this they were clearly in a hurry, where are our modernized "Pantsir - SM", it would be time to strike back !!!
zz811

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5 March 2021 10: 52

Quote: Bindyuzhnik
It's like that. "Armor" really turned out to be unable to withstand Turkish drones ...

where infa?
1. hig
  
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  5 March 2021 11: 11
  
  Quote: zz811
  where infa?
  
  "rear" binder exhaust
  1. shvn
    
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    5 March 2021 17: 42
    
    And he, the binder, with the blue?
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Dimy4

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5 March 2021 12: 13

And there was someone running the "Shell"? Or were they waiting for them to come from Russia and do everything for them?
Michael1950

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5 March 2021 12: 30

Quote: Just Cat
"Carapace" missed or was it busy with other targets at that time?

- There at this time there were simply no other goals.
Michael1950

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5 March 2021 12: 32

Quote: Igor Aviator
Quote: Bindyuzhnik
It's like that. "Armor" really turned out to be unable to withstand Turkish drones ...

Good! Keep on counting so! And our tanks are made of cardboard, Triumphs with Shells and Torahs are toy ones. Iskanders with Calibers and Zircones are plasticine! And Vanguard and Petrel with Poseidon - in general, cartoons! And Ratnik - so completely, simply - a children's suit! But when the time comes (and it will come, I feel - everything is going to that!), Do not be surprised!
"We warned you!" (from)

- Well, what kind of "aviator" are you if you are not able to real of the results of the war in Karabakh to draw an elementary conclusion? Who is cardboard and who is plasticine?
Owl

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5 March 2021 22: 04

Soldiers are fighting, and commanders make decisions. If the calculation of the Armenian "Thor" complex turned off the equipment before the object entered the hangar and received a rocket from the "cockroach", then this is an indicator of military impotence. It is always easier to destroy a UAV base than then to shoot down drones and waste missiles, revealing an air defense system - this is an indicator of the work of commanders and politicians. Russia can cope with an adversary such as Turkey, it has forces and means, but when Rosneft's Syrian oil is piped through Turkey, Turkey has its own advantages.
Dzafdet

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6 March 2021 12: 22

Yes Yes. As soon as ours entered Karabakh, all the drones were over in 4 days. And they will quickly draw conclusions from this war. And you rejoice, rejoice ...
zz811

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6 March 2021 22: 07

but what about ...?
https://avia.pro/news/rossiyskie-voennye-s-oblomkami-sbitogo-tureckogo-bespilotnika-vzbesili-ankaru
Ivancarafuto

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8 March 2021 17: 31

Directly the same "miracle weapon", "wunderwaflya" some sort of ..... For me, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Both those and others were tested in combat conditions. None of the parties officially published any imputed information. Do not count the agitation of both sides as such?
Ivancarafuto

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8 March 2021 18: 11

In general, these "analysts" obviously did not read the comments of the Turkish military on the use of Bayraktar in Syria and Libya. It turns out that the losses of "Bayraktarov TB 2" in the course of the past actions are very significant. It turns out that the Russian-made "Pantsir C1" installation is quite successful against the UAV, and the Turkish military are forced to admit this as a fact. The first sorties of "Bayraktar TB 2" in Libya were marked by massive losses of vehicles, which were shot down about twenty pieces until the suppression of the "Pantsir C1" system was applied. At least some kind of opportunity for drones to act appears only when the "shells" are "blinded". Judging by the conclusion of the Turkish military, the successful use of the "vaunted" "Bayraktars" today is possible in those areas where there is no massive air defense.