Expert: Putin is able to bring peace to Israel and Syria


Russia can mediate peace between Israel and Syria, writes British expert on the Middle East Christopher Phillips on the Middle East Eye website. However, the Kremlin will encounter many difficulties along the way.


As noted in the article, a number of contacts between Syria and Israel, mediated by Russia, attracted the general attention of the expert community on the eve. Earlier in the media it was reported that in December the heads of the Israeli and Syrian special services met at the Russian Syrian airbase Khmeimim, and at the same time the Russian armed forces helped in the repatriation of the remains of several Israelis.

Moscow also acted as an intermediary in a deal in which Damascus released an Israeli citizen from prison.

For the two states, technically at war, such contacts were previously rare, which suggests a possible Russian effort to mediate a peace agreement. With Israel recently normalizing relations with the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan, could Syria, already desperate to lift international sanctions after a decade of civil war, be next on the list?

- noted in the text.

The author believes that "Putin can present himself as a Middle Eastern peacekeeper who helped drive Iran out of Syria in exchange for Israel's return of the occupied Golan Heights."

Nevertheless, it is argued that there is still a long way to go before a peace treaty mediated by Russia.

First, Israel does not know if Moscow will be able to organize such a peace. Most likely, Jerusalem will want to withdraw all pro-Iranian forces from the Syrian land, which is extremely difficult to ensure.

Secondly, it is unlikely that Israel will want to cede the Golan Heights, which has significant strategic and economic value, and the administration of US President Donald Trump recently recognized their annexation.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad also has little interest in a peace deal. While the Golan remains symbolic to power - his father, Hafez, served as defense minister when the territories were taken over - they are not worth a valuable alliance with Iran.

The publication notes that "Russia has repeatedly been disappointed by the stubbornness and unwillingness of Assad to make even minor concessions."

It is worth recalling that both countries - Israel and Syria - have been at war since 1948, although hostilities were directly fought only during major armed conflicts.
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  1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 5 March 2021 09: 22
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    And in complete contradiction with B, which is noted in the text. If you remove the title, then the note reflects the situation. Russia can restrain the situation, calm it down, but in no way resolve it.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 23: 46
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      Alexzn... Can't the recent events in Israel be viewed as an instrument of influencing the intractable Israel?
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 March 2021 09: 28
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    Maybe he can't, as always, and even "eksperd" from the site ...
  3. Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 10: 04
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    Empty chatter about nothing. The Israelis will not give up the Golan - there is nothing to talk about, and for Assad, what matters is not so much the return of the Golan, which have never been a historical part of Syria, but the very existence of the state of Israel unrecognized by Damascus. And the displacement of the Iranians and their proxies from the territory of the former. SAR by the Russians is extremely doubtful. So how can Putin become a peacekeeper and end the state of war between neighboring states since 1948?
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 37
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      The Golan has always been a historical part of Syria.
      It was the Jews who wandered around Sinai for 40 years, until they came to the bequest of the land bequeathed by some unknown person.
      Where people have already lived.
      The first genocide began ..
  4. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 5 March 2021 11: 16
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    The role of Russia cannot be decisive either on the Golan issue or on the issue of withdrawing Iranian proxies from the territory they control. And that's why .
    1. The Golan has never belonged to Syria. Their accession to this state took place illegally and contrary to the decision of the League of Nations. Which is still valid now.
    2. The Golan is legally annexed to Israel. It is impossible to abolish this law and change the territory of the country in the absence of votes and the presence of supporters of this decision. Even theoretically. Complete analogy with Crimea. Plus (unlike Crimea) the United States recognized the Golan as belonging to Israel.
    3. In the realities of today, when the Arab countries, one after another, without linking the issue to the Golan, normalize relations with Israel - the transmission of the Golan is oxymiron!
    4. Assad's regime - not all of Syria. Which, in fact, does not exist at all. 800 sq. Km The Golan is nothing compared to tens of thousands of square kilometers of former Syria, controlled by the Kurds, Turks, and the opposition. For Assad, about half of the territory. I'm not even talking about the Alexandret Sandjak (4 thousand sq. Km.).
    5. For any politician in Israel - the transfer of the Golan - political suicide.
    6. The Russian Federation has no influence on Iran enough to induce it to withdraw from Syria.
    7. Assad does not want Iran to withdraw from Syria.
    8. Iran can be driven out of Syria by force, joint efforts of Israel, the United States and Russia. Without reference to the Golan issue.
    9. Israel would be quite happy with a change in the regime of the Ayatollahs in Iran. When Russia comes to this idea, it is possible to secure a peaceful border between Israel and the territory controlled by the Assad regime.
    10. As the leader of Israel has officially declared: Iran will not have nuclear weapons. With or without a distribution agreement. And in Israel, such statements are not scattered about.
    11. Iran will leave Syria under pressure from Russia, which is unlikely - good. Thank. It won't go away - it's also not scary. But the citizens of this country will continue to return in parts to their homeland.
    Actually in the publication about the same speech. Only veiled with words like: "unlikely" and "incredible".
    1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 5 March 2021 12: 47
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      For any Israeli politician, the transmission of the Golan is political suicide.

      Not a transfer, but simply a mention of the possibility of such. Today there is a consensus on this issue.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 5 March 2021 14: 14
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        Quite right! One of the few consensus. But indicative.
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 15: 40
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      Tramp1812, you are spreading false information on the site. What for?
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 5 March 2021 16: 20
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        Quote: isofat
        Tramp1812, you are spreading false information on the site. What for?

        Good health! I gave specific facts strictly in the context of the publication. In response, I received something inarticulate. Concretize, be so kind, your understanding of "falsity" and "knowing", give your reasons, refute mine. These will be the components of our possibly meaningful discussion. Otherwise - from your side, simply "and to talk?"
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 17: 16
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          Tramp1812... Have a nice one you too! Let's understand by "Falsehood" that which does not correspond to reality.

          The Golan never belonged to Syria - Lying.
          Golan is legally annexed to Israel - Lying.
          Complete analogy with Crimea - a lie, well, etc.

          Well, according to the article itself ... you need to find and read the original that is being discussed. The Englishman admits that in exchange for the departure of the Iranians, the Jews will return the Golan.

          The Jews will return what they stole, and the Iranians are in Syria legally. Therefore, the Englishman is mistaken, what he offers is not an exchange, it is a divorce or a deception, as you please.
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 5 March 2021 18: 17
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            You are actually repeating your first post. Your answer that my words are a lie is again not concretized. Let's analyze it. First of all, you did not say a word about what the "knowingness of false information" is. We must learn to be responsible for our words. Otherwise, it is called work hardening. Moreover, in a primitive, extremely uncultured and primitive form. Again, there is no concretization. You cited three of my statements on publication, called them "lies", but did not refute any of them. Moreover, the rest of the items were limited to "etc." And these are all your arguments?
            First of all, yours for the most part of my arguments "etc." I understand it as your acknowledgment of the futility of your position. Also easy: 1,2.3 your three unfounded statements are broken.
            In 1922, the League of Nations decided to divide the former Syrian dominion of Turkey between Great Britain and France. Great Britain received Palestine, which includes modern Jordan, and France - the modern territory of Syria and Lebanon (the so-called "League of Nations mandate"). The League of Nations, on the basis of the decisions of the conference in San Remo, gave Great Britain a mandate for Palestine, explaining this by the need to "establish political, administrative and economic conditions in the country for the safe formation of a Jewish national home."
            Two. The Golan was legally recognized as the territory of Israel by the Israeli Knesset in 1981.
            Three. Crimea is legally recognized by the State Duma as the territory of Russia. A complete analogy. The United States recognized the Golan as the territory of Israel, and the Crimea did not recognize the territory of Russia. And which of us is a liar? The question is rhetorical. But let's be more specific: obviously, you.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 19: 37
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              When you know that you are not telling the truth, and yet you are telling it, this means that the information is knowingly false.
              Do you want flesh out? You are welcome:

              1. The Golan has never belonged to Syria.
              No, they did. On the maps, the Golan Heights are still Syrian territory. You cannot but know about it and your statement deliberate lie.

              2. The Golan is legally annexed to Israel.
              No, and everyone knows about it. Golan Israel captured and retained by force, your statement of legislative accession deliberate lie.

              3. Complete analogy with Crimea.
              You know that there was no referendum on the accession of the Golan Heights to Israel, your statement about complete analogy normal liecaused by insufficient knowledge of logic and the desire to deceive readers.

              PS Draw any analogies, they do not prove anything. I understand your flight of "thought". You are a liar.
              1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 5 March 2021 23: 56
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                Quote: isofat
                When you know that you are not telling the truth, and yet you are telling it, this means that the information is knowingly false.
                Do you want flesh out? You are welcome:

                1. The Golan has never belonged to Syria.
                No, they did. On the maps, the Golan Heights are still Syrian territory. You cannot but know about it and your statement deliberate lie.

                2. The Golan is legally annexed to Israel.
                No, and everyone knows about it. Golan Israel captured and retained by force, your statement of legislative accession deliberate lie.

                3. Complete analogy with Crimea.
                You know that there was no referendum on the accession of the Golan Heights to Israel, your statement about complete analogy normal liecaused by insufficient knowledge of logic and the desire to deceive readers.

                PS Draw any analogies, they do not prove anything. I understand your flight of "thought". You are a liar.

                I tell you the facts, you answer - the language and, like a famous bird, repeat and knock - knock. But not a word to the point. Take a look at the documents. Palestine, which included the Golan Heights, was part of the Palestinian province of Ottoman Turkey. And LH was allocated for the Jewish state. The UN recognizes this resolution. But you don’t hear because you don’t want to. The Golan was in violation of the San Remo conference and the decisions of the League of Nations, illegally transferred to France. From there they ended up in Syria just as illegally. Which at the time of the decision of the LN did not exist at all. Like Jordan, which was also part of the Palestinian province. Further. As a result of the Syrian aggression in 1967, Damascus lost the Golan Heights. How Germany lost Konigsberg, Alsace and Lorraine, all the lands east of the Neisse River, the Sudetenland. But you have double standards: what is legitimate for other states is a crime for Israel. And in your words, the Jewish state is an organized criminal group. And you will be happy if it is destroyed. You post it. With regard to the state that has diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation, and Russia ranks second in terms of the number of tourists in Israel. Already the Arabs have received their sight and are out of turn to be friends with Israel. And you let all the trains go downhill. And you are fighting against the victorious Zionism. In 1981, Israel, like Russia in 2014, Crimea, legally incorporated the Golan into its state. From the fact that you say for the 1000th time that this is a lie, nothing will change.
                1. isofat Offline isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 6 March 2021 00: 38
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                  In the context of the article under discussion, I admit the thought that today Israel is being forced to take certain steps.

                  Because. The Attorney General's Office of the International Criminal Court in The Hague has launched an investigation against Israel on suspicion of war crimes in Gaza, Judea and Samaria.

                  Tramp1812... Nobody questions the legitimacy of your state. But! And this is the main point.

                  Your state received its legitimacy only as a result of recognition by America, as a result of recognition by the Soviet Union, as a result of recognition by the UN ... political reasons, and not your stories about your historical homeland, historical law, etc., only masking the real state of affairs.

                  Likewise today, you are squeezing the Golan Heights from Syria, through violence and deception, waiting for the recognition of these territories by Israeli and other countries.

                  PS The punishment of God frightens criminals, if you are not a criminal, why should you be afraid?
                  1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 March 2021 01: 05
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                    Quote: isofat
                    In the context of the article under discussion, I admit the thought that today Israel is being forced to take certain steps.

                    Because. The Attorney General's Office of the International Criminal Court in The Hague has launched an investigation against Israel on suspicion of war crimes in Gaza, Judea and Samaria.

                    Tramp1812... Nobody questions the legitimacy of your state. But! And this is the main point.

                    Your state received its legitimacy only as a result of recognition by America, as a result of recognition by the Soviet Union, as a result of recognition by the UN ... political reasons, and not your stories about your historical homeland, historical law, etc., only masking the real state of affairs.

                    Likewise today, you are squeezing the Golan Heights from Syria, through violence and deception, waiting for the recognition of these territories by Israeli and other countries.

                    PS The punishment of God frightens criminals, if you are not a criminal, why should you be afraid?

                    Back in 1936, as you say, Turkey "squeezed" the Alexandretta sandjak from Syria, now tens of thousands of square kilometers of the same former Syria are "squeezed" by the Kurds, Turks, and the opposition. It doesn't interest you. But 800 sq. Km. allotted to Israel by the decision of the LP-1922, illegally transferred to Syria and lost to it as a result of aggression against Israel - you are not allowed to sleep. And you, unlike me, as a small child, minus me. Than give me pleasure. And you don’t want to hear anything about the fact that the USSR and its successor Russia don’t want to give, say, the Kuril Islands. Which officially pledged to give up San Francisco from the treaty. So hack it on your nose: Assad will get ears from a dead donkey, not the Golan Heights.
                    1. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 6 March 2021 02: 05
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                      Tramp1812... Well, so far the Golan Heights are Syrian according to the existing norms, and you are the occupiers.

                      Trump's agreement to recognize your heights, dictated by the elections, has added to your chances of gaining heights. But everyone around them understands that Israel is an occupier, it has no legal rights.

                      Israel has enjoyed the right to force from the day of its unauthorized proclamation. Israel has no other rights.

                      Let's see what they say in The Hague about your war crimes.
                      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 March 2021 07: 13
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                        Quote: isofat
                        Tramp1812... Well, so far the Golan Heights are Syrian according to the existing norms, and you are the occupiers.

                        Trump's agreement to recognize your heights, dictated by the elections, has added to your chances of gaining heights. But everyone around them understands that Israel is an occupier, it has no legal rights.

                        Israel has enjoyed the right to force from the day of its unauthorized proclamation. Israel has no other rights.

                        Let's see what they say in The Hague about your war crimes.

                        For a start, at least the basic concepts of "occupation" and "annexation" would cease to be confused. Golan (a small part, by the way, but not all unfortunately), Crimea, Kuriles, Vyborg, Alsace and Lorraine, Wroclaw, Tibet, Bessarabia, Transcarpathia were not occupied, but annexed. The difference is that these territories are subject to the jurisdiction of the states that have legally included them in their composition.
                        No sanctions against Israel, not a single state that has diplomatic relations with it, including Russia, has introduced. Israel, the United States, Germany, before the start of the process, have already stated that they do not recognize the competence of the Hague Court on the issue you raised. By the way, the court is not considering the Golan issue, which is discussed in the publication. From words in general and absolutely. So "What are you - Uncle Sidor talking about?" (Quote from k-fa "The Elusive Avengers".)) And nothing good for this trial will end such a consideration. Perhaps only by the fact that the leading countries of the world will withdraw from the Rome Agreement. And the court will be disbanded. That's all you can look at. Best case scenario. When Russian troops in August 2008 reached Tbilisi in a single throw, during a teleconference, a representative of sovereign Georgia asked the representative of the Russian Federation a question: “Why is Israel, which is three times smaller than Georgia, can easily resist any power in the world? no? "And the leader wisely and very softly replied:" But you are not ISRAEL! " The USSR tried. And where is the USSR now? So, is it clearer?
                      2. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 6 March 2021 13: 34
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                        The Attorney General's Office of the International Criminal Court in The Hague has launched an investigation against Israel on suspicion of war crimes in Gaza, Judea and Samaria.



                        We watch how the Zionists dodge.

                        The International Court of Justice in The Hague is sending a transparent signal that no one else will turn a blind eye to Israeli crimes.

                        The Zionists of Israel do not want to hear the words of reason.
          2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 49
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            One two Three.

            So many spilled "cranberries", and where is the Jewish Golan ???

            "The Israeli Knesset recognized", is that all that you really could scrape together in justification ??

            A UN Security Council you do not have a decree that recognizes the Golan as Syrian ??

            PS Hams who go too far from time to time will genocide ..
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 March 2021 00: 02
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              Quote: Ulysses
              One two Three.

              So many spilled "cranberries", and where is the Jewish Golan ???

              "The Israeli Knesset recognized", is that all that you really could scrape together in justification ??

              A UN Security Council you do not have a decree that recognizes the Golan as Syrian ??

              PS Hams who go too far from time to time will genocide ..

              And the resolutions of the UN General Assembly that do not recognize Crimea as Russian are not a decree for you?
              PS Hams who are presumptuous from time to time will commit genocide ...
              1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 6 March 2021 00: 19
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                And the resolutions of the UN General Assembly that do not recognize Crimea as Russian are not a decree for you?

                Not a decree.

                Unlike decisions taken in the Security Council, UN General Assembly resolutions are not legally binding on states and have recommendatory. negative
                1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                  Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 March 2021 00: 54
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                  Quote: Ulysses
                  And the resolutions of the UN General Assembly that do not recognize Crimea as Russian are not a decree for you?

                  Not a decree.

                  Unlike decisions taken in the Security Council, UN General Assembly resolutions are not legally binding on states and have recommendatory. negative

                  Well, we are not decree decisions made by the minority of the UN Security Council. For aggression against Finland and the seizure of a significant part of its territories, the USSR was expelled from the LN. So, what is next ? Has he returned these territories to Finland? Or how, if you follow your logic, the annexation of Konigsberg by the USSR differs from the annexation of the Golan Heights by Israel? In both cases, there was aggression: Germany against the USSR, Syria against Israel. What's the difference?
                  1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                    Ulysses (Alexey) 6 March 2021 20: 12
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                    Well, we are not decree decisions made by the minority of the UN Security Council.

                    When it arrives, where will you run to smear the snot?
                    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 7 March 2021 00: 10
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                      Quote: Ulysses
                      Well, we are not decree decisions made by the minority of the UN Security Council.

                      When it arrives, where will you run to smear the snot?

                      Several clarifying questions. Who will it fly from? Remember ,,, children's, Russian, by the way poet - Korney Ivanovich Chukovsky:

                      We would be on the horns of a bull,
                      Only the skin is expensive
                      And horns aren't cheap these days either!


                      The rest is sofa tales.
                    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 00: 50
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                      Several clarifying questions. Who will it fly from?

                      And you rock the boat on Khmeimim in Syria. repeat

                      Your groan is understandable, Israel is more pleased with the fragmented national enclaves of Syria.

                      However, it does not grow together, therefore you are nervous.
                    3. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 7 March 2021 03: 44
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                      Quote: Ulysses
                      Several clarifying questions. Who will it fly from?

                      And you rock the boat on Khmeimim in Syria. repeat

                      Your groan is understandable, Israel is more pleased with the fragmented national enclaves of Syria.

                      However, it does not grow together, therefore you are nervous.

                      What for ? Russia is not trying to destroy Israel, Israel is not trying to destroy Russia. Peace, friendship, gum. After the collapse of the USSR, everything settled down.
                    4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 13: 34
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                      Russia is not trying to destroy Israel, Israel is not trying to destroy Russia. Peace, friendship, gum. After the collapse of the USSR, everything settled down.

                      You are very mistaken.
                    5. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 7 March 2021 15: 07
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                      Quote: Ulysses
                      Russia is not trying to destroy Israel, Israel is not trying to destroy Russia. Peace, friendship, gum. After the collapse of the USSR, everything settled down.

                      You are very mistaken.

                      Or maybe you? Personally identifying himself with all of Russia, including the official one.
                    6. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                      Ulysses (Alexey) 7 March 2021 15: 45
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                      Or maybe you? Personally identifying himself with all of Russia, including the official one.

                      I am here now with the Prime Minister of Israel here to communicate ??
                      Benya, as a wife, as children?
                      Not tired in eleven years? fellow
  • Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 20: 30
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    Quote: isofat
    The Englishman admits that in exchange for the departure of the Iranians, the Jews will return the Golan.

    This Englishman is clearly not one of the clever, if he allows this.

    Quote: isofat
    The Jews will return what they stole,

    With the Golan, the issue is closed - the train left long ago and the rails were dismantled, besides, the Jews did not steal anything, they liberated the territory of the Golan Heights during a defensive war unleashed by the leaders of the "progressive Arab states" with the full support of the USSR.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 20: 47
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      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      ... besides, the Jews did not steal anything ...

      Israeli TV Theme: Recognition by the State of Israel of its guilt in the story of the kidnapping of Yemeni children.



      And say that you are not stealing.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 5 March 2021 20: 56
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        Iton-tv is a natural trash heap, an Internet channel for seniors, and has nothing to do with Israeli television. laughing
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 21: 05
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          I always suspected that Wikipedia was a trash heap. wink


          And the television is still yours, Israeli. You will not get out! laughing
          1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
            Alexzn (Alexander) 5 March 2021 21: 51
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            What are you talking about? Want to show dark spots? There are so many of them in the history of all countries, Israel is no exception.
            When you argue, the logic is present, controversial but present. When you try to slip biased information and use formal logic - not comme il faut.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 22: 10
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              Quote: AlexZN
              What are you talking about? Want to show dark spots?

              Alexzn... This I mean that the illegal seizure, in other words theft, of Yemeni children is not contested by Israel. The decision to pay millions of shekels by the Israeli government was unanimous, according to the source.

              I am forced to give examples to challenge the statements of my opponent, Bindyuzhnik.

              PS Once again, you cannot refute the information I have provided, it is indeed a trend! laughing
              1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
                Alexzn (Alexander) 5 March 2021 22: 17
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                Why should I refute a well-known fact that has been widely discussed in society for a long time?
                It is not clear your love to pull out such facts that are not related to the subject of discussion.
              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 22: 25
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                Quote: AlexZN
                ... not related to the subject of discussion.

                If you have something to say on the topic ...
                I am listening really carefully! laughing
              3. Alexzn Online Alexzn
                Alexzn (Alexander) 5 March 2021 22: 34
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                I have already written my assessment of the note.
                The Golan has long been annexed and is part of the territory of Israel, they are fully subject to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of Israel. And yes, the analogy with Crimea is quite legitimate and appropriate. Neither Russia is going to give the Crimea, nor Israel the Golan.
                The Golan was certainly part of the Syrian state until 1967. Link to decisions of the League of Nations, etc. casuistry from the same barrel as arguments about the legality of the annexation of Crimea.
              4. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 22: 47
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                Alexzn... I will not persuade you, but again, you are not careful.

                Analogy is not proof. It helps the disputants to understand each other better. I do not dispute the right Tramps1812 draw any analogies. But!

                He stated that the analogy full... Where is the REFERENDUM!?! laughing

                The analogy is incomplete. Unintended lie. hi
                By the way, he piled up more absurdities there, I just walked the tops.

              5. Alexzn Online Alexzn
                Alexzn (Alexander) 5 March 2021 23: 17
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                You just cling to the words. The Tramp talked about a complete analogy in that both sides finally consider the territories as their own and are not going to give them up. I completely agree with him and see no reason to divert the assessment towards a referendum, etc.
              6. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 23: 21
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                Alexzn... Let's first agree that there is no complete analogy, Tramp 1812 wrong.

                PS I believe that I have proved the validity of my accusations against your fellow countryman. laughing
          2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 59
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            The Golan has long been annexed and is part of the territory of Israel, they are fully subject to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of Israel

            Do you recognize the annexation (illegal possession) of the Golan by Israel ??

            Or your confession from the series "Oh yes, I robbed, but my Sarochka is so used to these earrings"?
          3. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 March 2021 07: 27
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            Quote: Ulysses
            The Golan has long been annexed and is part of the territory of Israel, they are fully subject to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of Israel

            Do you recognize the annexation (illegal possession) of the Golan by Israel ??

            Or your confession from the series "Oh yes, I robbed, but my Sarochka is so used to these earrings"?

            Before posting this, try to understand the elementary: the term annexation includes the extension of jurisdiction to the annexed territory. Under the Munich Agreement, the Czech Republic ceded the judiciary to Germany, which Germany annexed. Nobody, including all the great powers, including the USSR, declared the annexation illegal. But when Germany committed aggression against Poland on September 1, 1939, annexing part of its territory, France and Great Britain declared war on it. So annexation is not necessarily illegal. Israel's annexation of a small part of the Golan Heights is legal. I gave my reasons, including the international decisions of the LN on this matter.
          4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
            Ulysses (Alexey) 6 March 2021 20: 23
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            So annexation is not necessarily illegal.

            Um.
            Then do not be surprised when they get rid of you again.
            There is a reason ..
        2. Alexzn Online Alexzn
          Alexzn (Alexander) 6 March 2021 08: 47
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          The Golan was annexed and this fact is not disputed by anyone. The definition of annexation does not automatically include the assessment of "illegal possession". Let's remember the annexation of the Japanese islands of the Kuril ridge, the Finnish territory.
          In Russia, a clause has been made to the country's constitution on the primacy of local legislation over international, such a clause is also in Israeli legislation, if, in accordance with the decision of the legislative branch of government, Crimea is recognized as part of Russia, and the Golan is part of Israel, then according to local laws this is legal possession, although international the law treats both cases as annexation and illegal possession.
          According to your very simplified logic - Oh yes, I robbed, but my Mashenka is so used to Kaliningrad, Crimea, the Japanese islands ...
        3. Fourth Offline Fourth
          Fourth (Fourth) 6 March 2021 14: 03
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          Quote: AlexZN
          Oh yes, I robbed, but my Mashenka is so used to Kaliningrad, Crimea, the Japanese islands ...

          This is just your logic, read the comments again.
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 57
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    What are you talking about? Want to show dark spots? There are so many of them in the history of all countries, Israel is no exception.

    I do not remember that Israel would admit its dark spots. repeat

    And its local adherents differ little from the "black sea diggers".
    1. Alexzn Online Alexzn
      Alexzn (Alexander) 6 March 2021 08: 51
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      Sheer stupidity! Even as he admits and it is widely covered otherwise how would we know about them.
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 6 March 2021 15: 36
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      Alexzn... Knowing and recognizing these are generally different concepts, have a conscience. fool
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 52
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    With the Golan, the issue is closed - the train left a long time ago and the rails were dismantled,

    The train will return, a matter of time.
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) 6 March 2021 03: 48
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      Vain hopes. negative
  • Oder Offline Oder
    Oder (Wojciech) 5 March 2021 19: 11
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    Most of the comments are anti-Semitic. Be ashamed.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 5 March 2021 20: 54
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      Quote: Odra
      Most of the comments are anti-Semitic. Be ashamed.

      Tell me what comments should be ashamed of? I will be grateful.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 March 2021 23: 53
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      It's not for the Poles to talk about it.
      Repent and pay.
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        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 6 March 2021 07: 34
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        Quote: Ulysses
        It's not for the Poles to talk about it.
        Repent and pay.

        This is a flood. Besides, impudent and illiterate. Ea has nothing to do with publication. Also misleading. In the context of the implementation by the Third Reich and the USSR of the secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in relation to Poland.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 6 March 2021 20: 29
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          This is a flood. Besides, impudent and illiterate. Ea has nothing to do with publication. Moreover, misleading

          The Poles loved Jews, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is to blame for everything. hi

          Yehuda Bauer of the Yad Vashem Memorial and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem said that Poles are responsible for the extermination of thousands of Jews. And this fact, according to him, can no longer be canceled out by any commemorative events held in Poland dedicated to the victims of the Holocaust. “They love Jews, especially the dead. This does not mean that the Poles did not persecute and kill Jews, ”the historian said sarcastically, speaking in Jerusalem at the IV Polish-Israeli Foreign Policy Conference.

          PS The historian emphasized that, according to various estimates, from 130 thousand to 200 thousand Poles were involved in the murders of Jews - however, they themselves now do not like to remember the crimes of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 6 March 2021 13: 15
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    No one will bring peace to Israel until Israel changes its policy of preventive strikes - it systematically conducts terrorist acts, cyber attacks, violates borders and invades the territory of foreign states, provoking by its actions the entire Muslim world to confront Israel, which in the future will turn into a big war between Israel and the entire Muslim world after which the world will change forever.
    1. Fourth Offline Fourth
      Fourth (Fourth) 6 March 2021 14: 07
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      Israel does not have a policy of preemptive strikes. He himself calls his actions preventive, having previously denigrated the victim of his aggression.