NI: The American F-35 needs to do everything not to engage the Su-57


In the near future, the war in the sky will seriously change and will become unlike everything that came before. The clashes will take place with powerful countermeasures from air defense / missile defense and electronic warfare / electronic warfare systems using the latest radar, ammunition, artificial intelligence, support aircraft and drones. Therefore, it is necessary to compare the chances of winning in an aerial duel of fifth-generation fighters, for example, the American F-35 and the Russian Su-57, writes The National Interest from the United States.


It should be noted that the twin-engine Su-57 is a multifunctional heavy fighter. Its main purpose is to gain air superiority, and it has all the performance characteristics necessary for this.

In turn, the single-engine F-35 is a stealth fighter-bomber, i.e. strike aircraft. It is designed to penetrate enemy airspace and destroy various objects.

It is extremely difficult to imagine a real duel between these planes. Modern warfare practically precludes this possibility. But if we hypothetically imagine such a probability, then even under equal conditions, the F-35 pilot needs to do everything possible not to engage the Su-57 at all. There is practically no doubt that the F-35 pilot will do just that, taking advantage of the undeniable advantage of his aircraft in stealth. It will slip away from the approaching formidable Su-57, which has significantly more fuel and air-to-air missiles, the American edition concluded.

Note that at present Russia has only one Su-57 unit in service. However, relatively soon there will be 76 of them. At the same time, the United States has a whole F-35 air fleet in the amount of over 600 units, not counting allied countries.
  • Used photos: Vladislav06112019 / wikimedia.org
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  1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 21 January 2021 15: 38
    +3
    "National Interest" will not say bad things. Don't argue with him, but cry right away ... sad
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 22 January 2021 23: 55
      +2


      Petr Vladimirovich, a video of the use of augmented reality on the assembly line of the Su-57 fighter of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur of the Gagarin Aviation Plant (KnAAZ) appeared on the Web. The video was posted on the page of a user with the nickname "War Syria Turkey Karabakh" and "THIRD WORLD WAR" in the social network VKontakte.

      There are no explanations for the videos, but at the beginning of one of them, an explanation is given that the entry control recording using augmented reality was made on March 24, 2020. It also explains why it was not possible to accurately superimpose the holograms on the video footage. The reason for this is the violation of the calibration of the RGB camera relative to the projection display of the glasses, which was detected only during video editing. The second video shows the error in overlaying the model on the video.
  2. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 21 January 2021 16: 43
    -4
    In order for the F35 to fight the SU57, this SU must be available. So much has been discussed already. that everyone forgot that he was not in the series and the Russian Aerospace Forces too. When people get tired of their brains.
    1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
      Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 17: 39
      -2
      So the publication The National Interest also wrote about it: It is extremely difficult to imagine a real duel between these planes. Modern warfare practically precludes this possibility.
      They understand that it is impossible to imagine a fight between a real plane and a cartoon "flyer"!
      But as you want !!!
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 21 January 2021 17: 53
        +4
        You have rusty antediluvian flyers in Ukraine who are no longer able to fly, and in the Russian Aerospace Forces in a few years there will be several air regiments consisting of Su-57, the main thing is that the process of mass production has been launched and cannot be stopped !!!
        1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
          Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 18: 26
          -5
          And please tell me where this beautiful country Ukraine is located, obviously somewhere in a humid climate, since it has rusty antediluvian letak? I'm glad for the Russian aviation industry, the Su-57, formerly known as the PAK FA and the T-50, is a Russian fifth-generation fighter equipped with a fundamentally new avionics complex and a state-of-the-art radar station in 1999. Sukhoi Design Bureau officially began work on the T-50, the 5th fighter generation (a new generation combat aviation complex I-21).
          Judging by the pace of production of the SU-57, it will take absolutely NOTHING to wait for one regiment to be completed (production 2 took two 20 years, one crashed)!
          1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
            rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 January 2021 18: 46
            +3
            there is no such country - Ukraine. there is an outskirts, but soon there will be provinces - Little Russia and Novorossia as part of the Russian Federation, so jump further, but in your own Galitsai
            1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
              Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 19: 30
              -5
              I'm talking about Great Russia, Ukraine will figure it out somehow by itself. It's your money that is spent on all kinds of projects!
          2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
            sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 10: 26
            +6
            Your logic is stupid and ridiculous, it took the Americans more than 22 years to produce the F-20, but the plane turned out to be advanced and, most importantly, reliable for its time, during all this time only 188 F-22 aircraft were produced, which cannot be said about an unfinished F-35, haste is good only when catching fleas, and in the case of the Su-57, it is necessary to organize mass production of all units and components, bring the design of the aircraft to perfection, and then you can increase mass production at KNAZ, or also at other factories Sukhoi, in Novosibirsk for example.
            1. Vladest Offline Vladest
              Vladest (Vladimir) 22 January 2021 15: 38
              -6
              Quote: sgrabik
              it took the Americans more than 22 years to produce the F-20,

              Americans can do everything very quickly if they want to. There is a doc on YouTube. series "military factories" five episodes. They show where and how it was during VM2. And especially as the United States has practically no military-industrial complex for several. years it has been created and bombarded with weapons by all allies and themselves.
              1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
                sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 18: 30
                +6
                One desire is not enough here, the development of a new high-tech aircraft even for the United States is not an easy task that takes many years, another question is that the launch into mass production is faster because of a more developed production base, but after the devastation of the 90s, the factories producing aviation units and components are still not fully restored, hence the time difference.
            2. onstar9 Offline onstar9
              onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 23 January 2021 04: 17
              -2
              Quote: sgrabik
              Your logic is stupid and ridiculous, it took the Americans more than 22 years to produce the F-20, but the plane turned out to be advanced and, most importantly, reliable for its time, during all this time only 188 F-22 aircraft were produced, which cannot be said about an unfinished F-35, haste is good only when catching fleas, and in the case of the Su-57, it is necessary to organize mass production of all units and components, bring the design of the aircraft to perfection, and then you can increase mass production at KNAZ, or also at other factories Sukhoi, in Novosibirsk for example.

              This will not happen, you know very well ... Don't be fooled. The situation with money in Russia is getting worse and worse, and this is not going anywhere ... And then it will be even worse. What kind of planes and tanks are there? There is not enough money for palaces for Putin, but you are talking about the planes of the "future" ...
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 04: 35
                0
                onstar9... What is our situation with money? And why do you not like it when palaces are erected. Have you seen the Moscow Kremlin?
        2. Morgan Offline Morgan
          Morgan (Miron) 22 January 2021 21: 34
          -3
          and in the Russian Aerospace Forces in a few years

          This is some 15-20 years, maybe, but maybe not. Su 57 runs the risk of becoming obsolete without entering the series, at least it goes to this. The West is already developing the 6th generation, but here "5" cannot give birth.
      2. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 21 January 2021 17: 55
        -5
        Quote: Alexander K_2
        Modern warfare practically precludes this possibility.

        I totally agree. And according to the article I think so. There are thousands of publications in the world, and there are even more authors. And you can find anything to your taste. Air defense will work on enemy aircraft forward. No one will triple airplane biathlon.
        When there is no real SU56 to advertise it like that.
        Everyone laughed at the F35 and the problems with it. The first potential serial SU57 crashed in December 2019. For more than a year and silence. There are also problems that are difficult to solve.
        And the F35 is now baked like pies.
        1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
          Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 18: 29
          -3
          When a person has nothing to be proud of, he invents fairy tales or myths for himself.
          It's bad when the country is doing this!
          1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
            rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 January 2021 18: 50
            +3
            especially you have something to be proud of - your revolution is nasty
            1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
              Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 19: 27
              -4
              So it's true, I don't understand why Ur Patriots are offended when they try to open their ears, but glad when they are in their own ears ...?
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 13: 55
                -3
                Quote: Alexander K_2
                So it's true, I don't understand why Ur Patriots are offended when they try to open their ears, but glad when they are in their own ears ...?

                In any state, the authorities care about their popularity. RF is no different in this from others. The only difference is that the GDP sat there forever. In order to convince the people of his truth, the entire propaganda machine is working. Everything that is outside must be vulgarized, distorted, not finished. And on the other hand, everything is even inside, everything is on a high note. The art is already honed here.
                Even here on the REPORTER do you often hear facts or figures. You are bombarded with meaningless questions, remarks. Trolls to the fullest. And therefore only in essence.
                It is worth mentioning the salary in Estonia and, as a rule, silence in response.
                Fact and number are the best weapons against Putin's henchmen.
                1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                  Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 23 January 2021 19: 38
                  0
                  Unfortunately, you are right, Russia has everything to be a Great Power, there is no most important thing - Desire!
          2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
            sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 09: 35
            +2
            This is just about Ukraine, right to the very point, there is nothing to be proud of, but stubborn Natsiks come up with ridiculous myths and fairy tales, rewrite history and then boast of all this, but the state debt of Ukraine continues to grow, ordinary Ukrainian people live worse and poorer every year , so that the Ukrainian people cannot be fooled by their pro-Western zombie nonsense, the second Maidan in Ukraine is inevitable sooner or later, and we will help if that !!!
            1. Vladest Offline Vladest
              Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 13: 57
              -1
              Quote: sgrabik
              This is just about Ukraine,

              That made Putin's media from Ukraine scarecrow and the writing is not smart enough to understand that there are almost 200 states in the world. Are there any examples in other states?
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 14: 23
                +1
                Quote: Vladest
                Are there any examples in other states?

                There is! This is Estonia!
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 22 January 2021 00: 42
          +4
          And the F35 is now baked like pies.

          Stopped the oven recently. There are too many problems.
          1. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 22 January 2021 00: 46
            -4
            Quote: boriz
            Stopped the oven recently. There are too many problems.

            You are not right . The conveyor runs continuously. There are not many hundreds of orders. Or everyone is so stupid to buy a bad car.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 22 January 2021 00: 52
              +4
              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-31/pentagon-keeps-398-billion-f-35-s-full-rate-production-on-hold
              the machine is stupidly not ready for mass production and combat use.
              1. onstar9 Offline onstar9
                onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 23 January 2021 04: 23
                -1
                Quote: boriz
                full-rate-production-on-hold
                the machine is stupidly not ready for mass production and combat use.

                Well, Bloomberg will write a lot of things ... It's his profession to shout that "everything has failed" ... Bad news is better "sold" ... And the plane is gradually being brought ... It's a difficult matter - this development of more and more new aircraft ... Here on the example of the same Su-57 it can be seen ... There, too, the situation is very difficult, apparently ... So far, no real results are visible, although some assembly is underway ...
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 15: 24
                  +1
                  Yulumberg cited the facts. After hundreds of machines produced, unsolvable problems emerge. Refute.
              2. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 14: 07
                -2
                Quote: boriz
                the machine is stupidly not ready for mass production and combat use.

                More than 500 machines have already been completed. The fact of the matter is that their mass exploitation provides a sea of ​​information for analysis. So that the problems will be solved. There is no problem without problems.
                But it is all the more ridiculous that SU57, which has not yet emerged from the testing stage, is proclaimed better than the F35. Then after the crash of the first serial in December. 2019 for the year is silent.
                This is how it turns out. The States talk about their problems, you are happy to cling to it, silence about their own problems.
                F35 is being bought, orders for hundreds are already a sign that they believe in the plane.
                Well, or at least once specifically, what kind of trifle happened to SU57 that they have not decided for more than a year?
                When is the episode?
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 15: 28
                  +2
                  When is the episode?

                  Whenever we see fit. You, due to your youth and incompetence, have no idea what the serial production of expensive and complex products is.
                  And to us, even at the university, and then at the plant, they explained with figures how much more expensive the error, revealed at each next stage of design / production / operation, is.
                  I realized this and applied it in my work when you were not in the world.
                  1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
                    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 23 January 2021 19: 41
                    0
                    The mistake was made at the very beginning - the Krivoruks began to design and began to embody these "projects" in metal!
              3. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 23 January 2021 14: 31
                -2
                Quote: boriz
                the machine is stupidly not ready for mass production and combat use.



                Can you see such open and detailed stories about SU57 from the Russian military-industrial complex? And hiding their information and criticizing someone else's open, elementary MECHANISM.
                And like all the politics of the Russian Federation
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 15: 29
                  +2
                  MACHINERY

                  Did they invent the word themselves or was it someone who suggested it?
        3. magma Offline magma
          magma (Tatyana) 22 January 2021 06: 00
          +3
          Quote: Vladest
          And according to the article I think so. There are thousands of publications in the world, and there are even more authors. And you can find anything to your taste.

          Yeah, you dug in here
        4. Provincial_71 Offline Provincial_71
          Provincial_71 (Yuri) 23 January 2021 13: 41
          +1
          Well, yes, they baked pies, and now they are back in the oven to bake. It is rather strange to be proud of this "baking" technology, even if money is like a fool of candy wrappers.
      3. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 21 January 2021 19: 05
        -6
        Quote: Alexander K_2
        But as you want !!!

        There is a certain category of citizens of the Russian Federation who believe in propaganda noodles and live in a fictional reality where powerful zircons, vanguards, poseidons, petrels exist not only in animation, the sky darkens from numerous squadrons of analogues that do not have the Su-57, the earth trembles from the roar of engines, again, unparalleled "Armat", and the pitiful cowardly NATO fighters do not have enough diapers due to the acute relaxation of the sphincters. Naturally, these beliefs have nothing in common with the harsh reality, but these citizens are not able to objectively perceive the world around them, they will not understand that Russia is hopelessly behind technologically today and this lag is increasing every day.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 22 January 2021 02: 45
          +4


          The world's first floating nuclear power plant "Akademik Lomonosov" arrived at its destination in Chukotka ... (Sep 14, 2019) yes
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 22 January 2021 05: 19
            -6
            A floating Chernobyl? How, as you have heard, are you going to pollute the next area with radioactive waste? repeat
            1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
              sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 10: 07
              +4
              You fool, however, the whole world has already recognized that Russian modern nuclear technologies are the safest and most advanced in the whole world, it is not for nothing that our nuclear reactors are being built all over the world, and not American or French ones, the Japanese have already regretted a hundred times that they have installed American-made reactors at their nuclear power plants, Fukushima will help them for this !!!
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 22 January 2021 15: 07
                -4
                If anyone can be called a fool, it is the one who enjoys the construction of a nuclear power plant. Normal states have long taken a course towards green energy without nuclear reactors, oil and coal. Of course, this transition to new methods will take time, but already today there are very impressive results. And you will sit with your advanced reactors and create new Chernobyls.
                1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
                  sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 15: 28
                  +3
                  Here we are all and see how these normal states can fully provide themselves with the necessary energy only with the help of the so-called "green" energy, without the use of modern thermonuclear technologies, without gas, without oil, solar panels, wind turbines and tidal stations alone cannot be dispensed with. !!!
                  1. Binder Offline Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 22 January 2021 15: 34
                    -4
                    And you can watch for a long time. Even 30 years ago, when I came to Israel, the water heaters in most Israeli homes were already powered by solar energy, and technology has advanced far since then.
                    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
                      sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 15: 46
                      +2
                      Yes, Israel is a sunny country, so what, but the sun is really there in abundance, I was visiting friends, I confirm !!!
                      1. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 22 January 2021 15: 47
                        -5
                        The same technologies are successfully working in Europe.
                      2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
                        sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 15: 51
                        +3
                        In southern Europe, partly yes, but in the Scandinavian countries I did not notice this at all, other natural conditions !!!
                      3. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 10: 33
                        -1
                        but in the Scandinavian countries I didn't notice it at all

                        So besides the sun, there are other sources of clean (renewable) energy. For example, in Iceland these are rivers and geothermal sources. In Norway, 96% of the energy generated comes from hydropower.
                      4. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 15: 52
                        +1
                        I must disappoint you, the EU considers only solar and wind power plants to be "green".
                        And citing Norway as an example is ridiculous. Trust Algeria or Libya to build hydroelectric power plants. Each country has its own landscape and its own hydrology.
                      5. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 13: 51
                        -1
                        I must disappoint you, the EU considers only solar and wind power plants to be "green".

                        Any energy source that does not emit waste into the environment is considered "green".

                        And citing Norway as an example is ridiculous. Trust Algeria or Libya to build hydroelectric power plants.

                        And no one said anything about Algeria and Libya. You said:

                        In southern Europe, kind of yes, but in Scandinavian countries I didn't notice it at all, other natural conditions !!!

                        I cited a Scandinavian country as an example.
                      6. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 24 January 2021 14: 47
                        +1
                        Green "is any energy source that does not emit waste into the environment.

                        You think so, I think so. The EU thinks differently.
                      7. Cyril Online Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 15: 36
                        -1
                        The EU thinks differently.

                        No, it doesn't. In the reports of the German Statistical Office, hydropower is ranked as "green".
      4. Cyril Online Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 10: 30
        -1
        without the use of modern thermonuclear technologies

        so no one talks about thermonuclear technologies (by the way, Russia does not have them yet). They talk about nuclear. These are two fundamentally different things.
    2. pvestov Offline pvestov
      pvestov (Paul) 23 January 2021 02: 44
      +2
      "Green" energy ??
      Can you imagine how many resources are spent on production, including oil and gas, of the so-called "green" technologies? Where does waste go and how does it affect the enrichment and production of lithium for batteries?
      And where do the tons of spent resource (lost efficiency), or solar panels broken by natural disasters, and the mass of lead, and most importantly lithium batteries, go? And the plastic used for their designs ..
      I'm not even talking about the efficiency of generating electricity from the sun, even in the conditions of a clear sky and the desired angle of the panels to the sun.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 05: 56
        0
        The problems you listed exist, but all of them are gradually being solved. It should also be recalled that besides solar energy, wind and tidal power plants are being successfully introduced. This is undoubtedly the future.
        1. pvestov Offline pvestov
          pvestov (Paul) 28 January 2021 13: 57
          +1
          Do not make me laugh! The efficiency of wind generators strongly depends on the speed of the wind and its presence in general .. and the low-frequency noise that they create is already causing problems for people living nearby, and even for animals and birds, and it will take another 10-20 years to see how much it affects the plants .. Yes, it also affects the health of people and animals, so far only stress and headaches are known, and then it will be seen from the statistics of diseases in the wind generation regions.
          So far, only tidal power plants, I consider it more or less safe ... but the metal consumption of these structures and their projected number to replace at least one nuclear power plant is frightening, in addition, for a large number of such tidal generators, you will most likely need a huge number of concrete breakwaters, otherwise no beaches for the rest of people and sea animals, there simply will not be left in the world .. and then the question arises of how to serve all this and HOW such breakwaters will change the ECOLOGY of coastal territories ..
          And by the way, I have not yet seen articles on the study of man-made noise from tidal generators and its impact on the flora and fauna of the seabed ..

          1. pvestov Offline pvestov
            pvestov (Paul) 28 January 2021 14: 26
            +2
            Disadvantages of tidal hydroelectric power plants
            The main disadvantage of tidal power plants is the irregularity of operation. Its nature is cyclical, since the ebb and flow occur at regular intervals. So, after the end of the ebb and the beginning of the tide, the kinetic energy of the water becomes insufficient. This period takes 1-2 hours. There are several more disadvantages of PES.

            1) The duration of the active period is only 4-5 hours. During the day, there are 4 cycles, consisting of an active and passive part (1-2 hours).
            2) Long-term payback of construction due to insufficient efficiency.
            3) The inability to use the coast for the tourist business, which is often more profitable. TPP occupies a significant area, therefore, compared to tourism, it is economically less profitable. This is another reason why such stations are being built in the north.
            4) Difficulties in the construction of the structure, which are associated with the fact that the optimal places for the TPP are located on the rugged coast.

          2. pvestov Offline pvestov
            pvestov (Paul) 28 January 2021 15: 08
            +1
            Renewable energy does not, as such, have a concept of fuel efficiency. They do not need to extract fuel and other similar resources to generate electricity, which significantly reduces the cost of their further operation. However, such an advantage is offset by a huge problem - low installed capacity utilization factor (ICUF).

            In the best case, the ICUF is equal to 25% of the projected capacity of a solar or wind power plant.

            Moreover, the ICUF of 25% is an average annual indicator, therefore, on one day, the ICUF of wind energy can reach 100%, and on the other - 0%. It all depends on meteorological conditions, which cannot be predicted even in the medium term.

            This creates serious difficulties in maintaining the stability of the entire power system due to the appearance of the so-called "generation saw" - a set of peak and minimum values ​​of the power system in a short period of time. Such ragged generation is leveled with the help of other energy sources - mainly due to the combustion of hydrocarbons (gas, coal).
  3. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 23 January 2021 15: 32
    +2
    The fact that you are not capable of this does not mean that no one should do it.
    The icebreaker is a peaceful ship, and how many nuclear aircraft carriers do your owners have? By which, by definition, someone will shoot. Where is the concern for greening the energy sector and the environment?
  • onstar9 Offline onstar9
    onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 23 January 2021 04: 35
    +2
    Quote: sgrabik
    You fool, however, the whole world has already recognized that Russian modern nuclear technologies are the safest and most advanced in the whole world, it is not for nothing that our nuclear reactors are being built all over the world, and not American or French ones, the Japanese have already regretted a hundred times that they have installed American-made reactors at their nuclear power plants, Fukushima will help them for this !!!

    Well, it happened to Fukushima not because the reactors there are bad, but because the Japanese themselves are "candy wrappers", not real creators ... Their whole fake industry is built on beautiful "candy wrappers". They have never done any serious developments. All my life American, Russian and European developments have been "improved and refined". Just don’t poke their "Honda and Toyota" in the nose ... This is all they can do, so to speak, "peak" of their skills and innovations. The accident at Fokushima showed that they can do nothing in serious cases. They themselves designed and built the entire cooling system of Fokushima ... which failed later ... By the way, they refused the help of American and Russian atomic scientists to eliminate the accident, but they themselves could not really do anything ...
  • pvestov Offline pvestov
    pvestov (Paul) 22 January 2021 14: 58
    +4
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    A floating Chernobyl? How, as you have heard, are you going to pollute the next area with radioactive waste? repeat

    Yeah ... After Chernobyl, it would seem, all the Yadernychiki drew conclusions ..
    However, Fukushima was not greatly rescued by American, seemingly more advanced and modern "after Chernobyl" reactors ...
    How many years have the Japanese "lost" their so great territories ??
    And how much radioactive rubbish got into the ocean? and how has this affected marine resources and human health ??
    Something is not heard SUPER research of British scientists what and eco-activists. Because they weren't paid for it. And I think, on the contrary, they paid to keep quiet .. Or simply - they were frightened by dismissal without a chance of finding a job somewhere, this is democratic ..
  • Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 10: 28
    -1
    But "Academician Lomonosov" is not first in the world floating nuclear power plant. Such was the American ship Sturgess.

    But Lomonosov is really a good project, necessary for Russia.
  • magma Offline magma
    magma (Tatyana) 22 January 2021 06: 11
    +6
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    There is a certain category of citizens of the Russian Federation who believe in propaganda noodles and live in a fictional reality ... Naturally, these beliefs have nothing in common with the harsh reality, but these citizens are not able to objectively perceive the world around them ...

    And in Israel there are enough of them, especially among the former Soviet ones, with new "convictions." Although you can understand them. They also need to somehow stand out and earn an approving pat on the cheek of the new "homeland".
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 22 January 2021 06: 18
      -6
      Quote: magma
      And in Israel

      It is immediately clear, madam, that you have no idea about life in Israel ...
  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 10: 14
    +4
    Everyone has already noticed that wishful thinking and rotting Russia is your favorite style, time will tell who is behind, how much and in what competencies.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 22 January 2021 15: 08
      -6
      Quote: sgrabik
      time will tell who is behind, how much and in what competencies.

      Time has already shown ...
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 15: 29
        +4
        As it is not at all convincing and contradictory, it showed it !!!
    2. onstar9 Offline onstar9
      onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 23 January 2021 04: 40
      0
      Quote: sgrabik
      Everyone has already noticed that wishful thinking and rotting Russia is your favorite style, time will tell who is behind, how much and in what competencies.

      No, we love Russia. Therefore, we scold for lies and shortcomings ... And to praise your country, "glossing over" problems is a disservice to the country ...
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 04: 55
        0
        onstar9, sgrabik communicates with Bindyuzhnik, a resident of Israel, a personality, at times inadequate. Somehow he, Binder, called for pressure on Iranian religious leaders. Are you from Israel too?
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 06: 02
          0
          Quote: isofat
          Once he, Bindyuzhnik, called for pressure on Iranian religious leaders.

          The Iranian Ayatollahs should be pressed not because they are Muslims, but because of their aggressive ideology that threatens humanity. Hitler and the Nazis were not pressed together because they were Germans and Christians ...
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 13: 10
            0
            And it will be the Zionist who will determine who should be pressed and why. Binder.
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 13: 17
              -1
              And he too. When it comes to security and the fight against terror, he has every right to confront and defend against killers. bully
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 23 January 2021 13: 26
                +1
                Israel has already killed many people, both strangers and their own. But you are not killing for the sake of your protection, but for the sake of capturing foreign territories.
                1. Binder Offline Binder
                  Binder (Miron) 23 January 2021 13: 33
                  -1
                  And how much is "a lot" in your opinion?
  • pvestov Offline pvestov
    pvestov (Paul) 22 January 2021 14: 43
    +3
    In 1999, many also believed that the S-125 air defense system could not shoot down the "invisible" F-117A ...
    Where are those F-117s now ???
    The wreckage of that shot down now in the museum of Belgrade ... well, apparently in the relevant departments of Russia and China ..
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Крушение_бомбардировщика_F-117_под_Буджановцами#/media/Файл:F-117_canopy.jpg



    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Крушение_бомбардир[center][/center]овщика_F-117_под_Буджановцами#cite_note-9
    1. Cyril Online Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 10: 38
      -1
      In 1999, many also believed that the S-125 air defense system was can't bring down "invisible" F-117A ..

      Nobody thought so. Theoretically, even the German "Wasserfall" during the Second World War could shoot down the F-117. The question is, with what probability and at what distance.

      In general, 1 shot down plane in the entire Yugoslav operation shows that the F-117 was quite successful in its stealth.
      1. pvestov Offline pvestov
        pvestov (Paul) 24 January 2021 14: 10
        0
        Either they flew at night, or at an altitude of more than 6300m, in order to avoid the destruction of air defense systems with optical backup systems of guidance systems, as well as ordinary NATO military aircraft were forbidden to approach the 117th at 100 miles ...
        850 sorties for 59 aircraft worth more than $ 2 billion each ?? is it great efficiency?
        1. Cyril Online Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 24 January 2021 15: 35
          -1
          Either they flew at night, or at an altitude of more than 6300m, in order to avoid the destruction of air defense systems with optical redundant guidance systems

          Everything is correct. Stealth technology is radar, not visual stealth. It is impossible to completely make the plane visually invisible.

          as well as conventional NATO military aircraft were prohibited from approaching the 117s by 100 miles ...

          Right. AND?

          850 sorties for 59 vehicles worth more than $ 2 billion each?? is it great efficiency?

          Lies. the cost of 2 billion is for B-2 strategic bombers. And we are talking about the F-117. The cost of one aircraft of this type is $ 111 million. Not cheap, but quite comparable to conventional American aircraft.

          So yes, 1 shot down on 850 sorties is a good indicator.
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  • pvestov Offline pvestov
    pvestov (Paul) 22 January 2021 10: 34
    +4
    In order for the F35 to fight the SU57, this SU must be available.

    For the downed U-2 or F-117A, the presence of squadrons of Soviet analogues was not required, it was cheaper and easier to manage ...
    F-117A was greatly helped by its vaunted "out of sight"?

    Now the question is: why in this article compare a heavy fighter and a "very invisible" bomber ???

    MLM (My personal opinion): S-300 and S-400 (not to mention other modernized ancient air defense systems, which have long shot down "invisible") will be enough for all F-35s and others ...
    1. Cyril Online Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 23 January 2021 10: 39
      -1
      F-117A was greatly helped by its vaunted "out of sight"?

      1 shot down vehicle on 850 sorties - yes, the stealth of the F-117 helped a lot.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 21 January 2021 17: 00
    +1
    Stupid topic. As in theory, tanks and tanks do not fight, and planes with planes are only as exceptions.
    Airplane versus missile - that's the point.
    1. Vladest Offline Vladest
      Vladest (Vladimir) 21 January 2021 17: 57
      -5
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      Stupid topic. As in theory, tanks and tanks do not fight, and planes with planes are only as exceptions.
      Airplane versus missile - that's the point.

      But for some reason they are doing tank biathlon in the Russian Federation ... And the Americans are invited. but they do not go, obviously they agree with you)))
      1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
        Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 19: 41
        -4
        The Americans are finding their tanks more appropriate for tank biathlon, and for fun they have NASCAR and American football.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 22 January 2021 00: 48
          +6
          This is probably why independent tanks go to Europe on a pitiful likeness of our biathlon and regularly crumple there in comparison with NATO tanks. And NATO is afraid to crap in our biathlon.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 22 January 2021 00: 46
        +5
        The tank biathlon demonstrates the capabilities of the tank and the training of the crews. And not only Russia is showing its capabilities in biathlon.
        And the Americans do not go because they are afraid to get rid of it.
  • zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 21 January 2021 17: 52
    -2
    In this particular case, they will simply trample one unfortunate Su with quantity. Found a fool to scare the flock with one plane. To begin with, you need to put into service not one, but many. And then babble something about fear and awe.
    1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
      Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 18: 30
      -6
      All the money went alone, and the people were left with only noodles for their ears!
      1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 10: 01
        +2
        In Ukraine, it is, the money is for the oligarchs, and the people are noodles about bad and evil Russia !!!
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 21 January 2021 18: 48
    +4
    the outskirts became more active, but nothing shines for them at all, except for the bayraktars
    1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
      Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 19: 46
      -5
      The article describes how 1 (one) SU-57 will meet
      with the NATO Air Force, please read the article about the "outskirts" in the article do not write.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 21 January 2021 20: 46
        +4
        Therefore, it is necessary to compare the chances of winning an aerial duel of fifth-generation fighters, for example, the American F-35 and the Russian Su-57.

        Where is the Air Force? One on one. Ears grown on the wrong ass or brown eyes overgrown?
        1. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
          Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 21 January 2021 22: 05
          -3
          Well, if the SU-57 survives until there is only one fighter in the NATO Air Force and by that time will be able to break away from the runway, then nothing is impossible in the world! The SU-57 will only have to wait a long time.
          1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
            sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 09: 57
            +5
            Nothing, the Americans also waited a long time for their F-22, but they waited and built 188 boards, this is exactly the fighter for gaining air superiority, an analogue of the Su-57 and its direct rival, and the F-35 is an aircraft of a different class and other purpose , this is a fighter - bomber, although it can be called a fighter with a huge stretch, for such aircraft as the Su-57 this is an easy catch, especially since the F-35 is a crude, unfinished plane, despite the fact that several hundred of them have already been riveted, but all these already assembled aircraft need to be improved and modernized, and these are not fictions but facts, after all, the Americans themselves recognized all this and stopped the production of these aircraft for an indefinite time.
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  • Obama Barack Offline Obama Barack
    Obama Barack (Obama Barack) 22 January 2021 13: 10
    +2
    The former head of the Pentagon said so about the F-35: "A piece ...")
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 15: 17
      +2
      Well, this is so, even if the Americans themselves fully admitted it !!!
  • Michael1950 Online Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 22 January 2021 16: 26
    -6
    Quote: sgrabik
    You have rusty antediluvian flyers in Ukraine who are no longer able to fly, and in the Russian Aerospace Forces in a few years there will be several air regiments consisting of Su-57, the main thing is that the process of mass production has been launched and cannot be stopped !!!

    - I can ask for the 33rd time: and what is the Su-57 better than the Su-35S ?! Why do "multiple regiments" ?? "What fascinating proofs ?!"
  • Michael1950 Online Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 22 January 2021 16: 32
    -3
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Stupid topic. As in theory, tanks and tanks do not fight, and planes with planes are only as exceptions.
    Airplane versus missile - that's the point.

    - Who launched such a fool many years ago: "Planes do not fight with planes!"? And how many donkeys believed in her for some reason?
    And at the same time, the terms: "the conquest of air superiority", "the conquest of air superiority" - perfectly coexist with this nonsense! laughing How can fighters alone conquer air supremacy without destroying enemy fighters taking off with a completely identical mission ?! laughing lol
  • Michael1950 Online Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 22 January 2021 16: 35
    -4
    Quote: sgrabik
    ... and the F-35 is an aircraft of a different class and of a different purpose, it is a fighter-bomber, although it would be a stretch to call it a fighter, for such aircraft as the Su-57 it is easy prey ...

    - On what basis is such a statement? Did you check it yourself ?! wink
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 22 January 2021 18: 39
      +3
      And you will learn more about their characteristics, equipment and weapons and you will understand it yourself !!!
  • Michael1950 Online Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 23 January 2021 01: 46
    -3
    Quote: sgrabik
    And you will learn more about their characteristics, equipment and weapons and you will understand it yourself !!!

    - Yes, I know something, unlike. laughing On one of the recent Red Flags, the F-35 overwhelmed the 4th generation fighters (American and European) for more than two weeks, with a total score 20.7:1... By what means? Right, due to stealth! In the same way, he will fill up the Su-57, whose pilot will not even understand where that came from ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 23 January 2021 13: 06
      +1
      They have already written here, but here's a link for you.
      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2021/01/22/f35/
      The words of the former US Secretary of Defense are somehow more credible than yours, the mattresses themselves said and say that it is better not to fly the f35 without cover aircraft, so who will have whom is an even bigger question
  • onstar9 Offline onstar9
    onstar9 (Aslan Tsoutiev) 23 January 2021 05: 04
    0
    Quote: isofat
    onstar9, sgrabik communicates with Bindyuzhnik, a resident of Israel, personality, sometimes inadequate. Once he, Bindyuzhnik, called for pressure on Iranian religious leaders. Are you from Israel too?

    No, I'm not from Israel ... Well, Russia, or rather its "top", is scolded not only by residents of other countries, but also by Russians themselves. It is unpleasant for everyone what is happening with Russia, under the leadership of the current "rulers" ...
  • Michael1950 Online Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 23 January 2021 13: 43
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    They have already written here, but here's a link for you.
    https://m.lenta.ru/news/2021/01/22/f35/
    The words of the former US Secretary of Defense are somehow more credible than yours, the mattresses themselves said and say that it is better not to fly the f35 without cover aircraft, so who will have whom is an even bigger question

    - They are covered by the F-22, what are the problems?
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 23 January 2021 15: 49
      +3
      F-22s are covering them, what's the problem?

      We're talking about su57 and f35, what does the discontinued f22 have to do with it? The very fact that he needs a cover and the words of the former US Secretary of Defense that the f35 "piece ..." prompts certain conclusions about what kind of plane it is and whether it will fill up the su57
  • Michael1950 Online Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 23 January 2021 16: 57
    -1
    Quote: Stanislav Bykov
    ... F-22s are covering them, what's the problem?

    We're talking about su57 and f35, what does the discontinued f22 have to do with it?

    - What has there to do with "discontinued" but "in service" in the amount of 186 units ?!

    The very fact that he needs a cover and the words of the former US Secretary of Defense that f35 "a piece of g ... on" leads to certain conclusions about what kind of plane it is and whether it will fill up su57

    - Will fill up, "one left" - since they have already been produced 600!
    And here they do it a year - one at a time, which no one needs ...
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 23 January 2021 17: 48
      +1
      . Will flood, "with one left" - since there are already more than 600 of them!

      Yes, even a million, their number does not give any decisive strategic superiority, they may take off, but then there will be nowhere to land, this is without taking into account the world's best electronic warfare and air defense systems, you can still beat their satellites on their satellites, without their gps they are completely sad will become