Expert: Putin admits a large-scale defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of a war in Donbas


Kiev will not dare to go for a military solution to the "problem of the DPR and LPR", since in this case Russian President Vladimir Putin can give practical meaning to his words about Ukraine's loss of statehood. The head of the Kiev center writes about this political research and conflictology Mikhail Pogrebinsky in his article in Nezavisimaya Gazeta.


Pogrebinsky believes that quite a few officials in Kiev are thinking about a quick attack on the positions of the militia, and they are supported in this by a number of politicians in Washington, London and Ankara. Moreover, assistance to the Ukrainians may not be limited to the supply of weapons and the strengthening of sanctions against the Kremlin. However, such a radical development of events is unlikely.

Any outside assistance to the Kiev regime in the forcible seizure of the eastern regions of Ukraine will not be able to stop Russian initiatives to prevent such actions by the “war party” in the team of Volodymyr Zelensky.

Moreover, in a form that allows a full-scale defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with all the ensuing consequences

- the expert emphasized.

Newly elected American President Joseph Biden realizes this and is unlikely to support the Ukrainian leadership if Kiev decides to initiate a "small victorious war" against its own people.
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  1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 January 2021 16: 39
    +4
    Kuev may not dare. But the owners, because of the puddles, won't ask for cannon fodder.
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 18 January 2021 16: 42
    -7
    Maybe at least one of his promises will keep ?!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 18 January 2021 17: 23
      +3
      Putin did not promise to save them. He guaranteed them more pain in the form of additional hot spots. Arrange for them a civilian throughout the territory and let them have fun.
  3. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 18 January 2021 16: 50
    -6
    Expert: Putin admits a large-scale defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of a war in Donbas

    This question immediately arises. Does Putin himself know what he allows?
  4. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 18 January 2021 16: 52
    -14%
    No one in their right mind will shed blood - Russia has fallen into the stifling embrace of friends and partners since 2014, now it's only a matter of time ...
    1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 18 January 2021 17: 01
      +1
      You still had this time.)
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 18 January 2021 17: 26
      +4
      No one in their right mind will shed blood-

      And then someone remained in their right mind? Some slaves and pots.

      Since 2014, Russia has fallen into the stifling embrace of friends and partners, now it's only a matter of time ...

      Aha yes Kirdyk partners, but so far they are holding on laughing
  5. Tamara Smirnova Offline Tamara Smirnova
    Tamara Smirnova (Tamara Smirnova) 18 January 2021 18: 00
    +2
    Pogrebinsky is the same filthy, stinking, venal rat, like the Movnyuki. Betrayal is the middle name of the Skotoskakuas.
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  6. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 18 January 2021 23: 47
    -2
    We must always think a little further, what will happen after the defeat of Ukraine. When you think about it, you will understand that there will be no defeat. There is no way to start a war of fools.
    1. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 00: 10
      +3
      Quote: Vladest
      You always have to think a little further ...

      Why don't you want to think yourself? A little bit. Ukraine fell apart into three parts. Kiev does not stop the civil war.

      In addition to this war, in the West of Ukraine, groups of activists have self-proclaimed parallel authorities. It's already now.

      At the so-called "All-Ukrainian Congress of Local Self-Government" they announced the creation of the "state of Ukraine", elected the "first president of Ukraine" in the person of Anatoly Balakhnin, the "Verkhovna Rada" and its "head", and also created the "people's SBU".

      It is no longer clear which part to call Ukraine. lol
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 00: 18
        -7
        That's just the point that I think and understand. Without Russia's help, Ukraine would never have disintegrated.
        A brilliantly carried out operation special. services of the Russian Federation. Vile. Ukraine did not do anything bad to Russia.
        Although the Americans have gained a lot of benefit from this business. Without losing anything, they themselves inflict multibillion-dollar losses on Russia.
        Other states cannot be dismembered.
        1. isofat Online isofat
          isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 00: 39
          +2
          Vladest, there is no need for unfounded accusations, speak in evidence. More recently, Schroeder's policies have been discussed.

          Schroeder noted that the departure of Crimea from Ukraine to Russia should be considered in conjunction with the reasons that led to this. Therefore, it cannot be categorically asserted that what happened in the spring of 2014 on the peninsula is a violation of international law.
          1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
            Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 January 2021 12: 15
            -7
            Schroeder is no longer a politician, but a bought bastard ..
            1. isofat Online isofat
              isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 12: 44
              +3
              Igor Berg, our opinions do not coincide. And I hope that this person will still bring many benefits to our countries. love
          2. Vladest Offline Vladest
            Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 13: 16
            -3
            Quote: isofat
            Schroeder noted,

            Schroeder does not determine the global vote on the recognition of Crimea for Russia. And who is normal can recognize robbery and robbery. Vile to take advantage of the weakness of Ukraine .. It's disgusting.
            1. isofat Online isofat
              isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 13: 29
              +1
              Quote: Vladest
              This is disgusting.

              Vladest, Schroeder is an authoritative person. And the sovereignty of Crimea was determined not by world voting, but by the will of its people. At the Referendum!

              PS I heard you are preparing a referendum on the recognition of same-sex marriages? laughing
              1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 13: 43
                -5
                Quote: isofat
                Schroeder is an authoritative person.

                There are tens of thousands of authoritative people. And choosing a labor that is advantageous for your position will not cause.
                But the recognition or non-recognition of Crimea is a State statement and decision.
                There is no need to equate the pawn with the chess set.
                1. isofat Online isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 13: 51
                  +6
                  In 2014, the Russian-speaking population of Crimea voted to return to Russia. The will of the people is their supreme power.
                  1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                    Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 14: 03
                    -2
                    Quote: isofat
                    In 2014, the Russian-speaking population of Crimea voted to return to Russia. The will of the people is their supreme power.

                    I know, I know how this vote was organized. Such speed can only be learned.
                    People in Lugansk and Donetsk also voted and thrown them. What was needed was Crimea, not people.
                    People never give a damn.
                    If you are such a patriot, then at least one refugee from Donbass was hired?
                    1. isofat Online isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 14: 14
                      +1
                      Vladest... Where did you see the refugees from Donbass?

                      According to rough estimates, we have over three million "refugees" from Ukraine working for us. They make money. yes
                      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 16: 19
                        0
                        Quote: isofat
                        According to rough estimates, we have over three million "refugees" from Ukraine working for us. They make money.

                        There are also many of them in Estonia. There are many young people with families for permanent residence. Due to the widening wage gap in Russia and the rich EU, Russia is becoming less and less attractive for skilled workers.
                        One of my favorite Russian TV channels OTR. They tell the truth about the situation in the Russian Federation. About salaries of 15 -000 rubles. Sometimes even people with higher education. I generally keep quiet about pensions.
                        Migration from Central Asia is your destiny.
                      2. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 16: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Vladest
                        Migration from Central Asia is your destiny.

                        It is possible that the Soviet Union will be reborn. We already lived in such a way that you want to scare us, stupid? fool
                      3. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 18: 06
                        -3
                        So far, the EU is taking the rap for the USSR. They want and ask here. Turkey has been asking for decades. Here they help the retarded to stand on the naga. The last one is Moldova. They realized that the focus on the Russian Federation is poverty.
                        For Russia, it is not even bad that the population is decreasing, but that qualified comrades are leaving. There are already under 60 thousand in Silicon Valley.
                      4. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 18: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Vladest
                        For Russia, it is not even bad that the population is decreasing, but that qualified comrades are leaving. There are already under 60 thousand in Silicon Valley.

                        Well, what can you do. The only country in the world that has a deposit of qualified comrades is Russia. request

                        Which farm are you from? lol
                      5. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 18: 49
                        -2
                        Quote: isofat
                        Which farm are you from?

                        The rules of tact suggest that if you want to get acquainted, you introduce yourself first)) Will we continue on this topic?
                        By the way, the farm system was more perfect than the peasant community in Ingushetia.
                        And now we have a fight for the farm. Many people want to have their dacha without neighbors.
                      6. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 18: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Vladest
                        The tact rules suggest that if you want to meet ...

                        You have already shown everyone on this site the Baltic sense of tact.

                        I spoke to you very politely, but ... hi

                        Invite the pig to the table, she and her feet on the table.
                      7. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 20: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: isofat
                        Quote: Vladest
                        The tact rules suggest that if you want to meet ...

                        You have already shown everyone on this site the Baltic sense of tact.

                        I spoke to you very politely, but ... hi

                        Invite the pig to the table, she and her feet on the table.

                        Is it YOUR table or do I work by personality or what?
                        You are a typical troll. I'm like for the Truth.
                        I wrote to you twice that you abandoned the RUSSIANS in the Donbass. And silent in response.
                        If you are a REAL Russian and do not tear your F what would these Russians save why YOU DON'T CARE that those who believed in YOU there in Donbass YOU ARE THEIR LAST B R O S AND L I!
                        Millions of Russians you don't want to defend. Do you get it?
                        You left yours.
                        On Roy TV on Tuba, they tell the whole truth about Putin and those like you. At least here

                      8. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 20: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Vladest
                        I wrote to you twice that you abandoned the RUSSIANS in the Donbass. And silent in response.


                        So which of us is Troll?
                        I ask again:
                        - Where did you see refugees from Donbass, a fighter of an invisible state?
                        Remind you what year and date we have today?

                        Do not litter on the site, not at home.
                      9. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 19 January 2021 20: 43
                        -3
                        Quote: isofat
                        So which of us is Troll?

                        Well, I'm not the one who lied about Estonia at least once?
                        And you scammers and what a conscience you should have, time after time I repeat to you that you threw the Russians in the Donbass ...
                        Maybe your Chl ....... is not personal, only we will understand dr. Will you send them as Gum help?
                        Lose everything that a former Soviet person had an apartment, property and run away from the War.
                        In Donbass, in Russia and in Putin, they believed that Crimea is ours, and they will be taken HOME.
                        But YOU and PUTIN threw them! Why is Putin after? Because without you, he would not have treated the Russians like that. As a consumable.
                        This is something for you to understand sitting in a warm place to understand what it means to lose everything that you have gained for decades.
                        At least 2 (two million) refugees from Donnbas ...
                      10. isofat Online isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 21: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Vladest
                        I repeat to you that you threw the Russians in Donbas ...

                        A victim of Estonian propaganda, calm down. Residents of Russia know perfectly well where the refugees came from in the Donbas. Who is to blame for this.

                        They know that our country has launched a program for issuing Russian passports. They know about the placement of refugees from Donbass on the territory of Russia ...

                        So I ask you - find me and show me, where are they now refugees from Donbass? Maybe they are located in Estonia?
                      11. Vladest Offline Vladest
                        Vladest (Vladimir) 20 January 2021 14: 28
                        -3
                        Quote: isofat
                        Victim of Estonian propaganda

                        Your passport instead of all the property of an abandoned house in the Donbass.
                        You are truly the Face of modern power in the Russian Federation. For you people GARBAGE. And this is already according to my observations for YOU personally ..
                      12. Odessa Greek Offline Odessa Greek
                        Odessa Greek (Greek) 20 January 2021 18: 03
                        -1
                        And throwing bombs and shells on the heads of Donetsk and Lugansk is the face (grin) of modern Ukraine. SUGS!
                  2. George W. Bush - medium (George Bush - average) 20 January 2021 12: 57
                    0
                    Russian President Vladimir Putin can give practical meaning to his words about the loss of statehood of fascist Estonia.
              2. isofat Online isofat
                isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 20: 43
                0
                Quote: Vladest
                Millions of Russians you don't want to defend. Do you get it?

                But haven't we taken Crimea under our protection?
                Today we have a smart president, it's not for you to teach us how to protect Russians.
      2. Odessa Greek Offline Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek (Greek) 20 January 2021 18: 00
        +2
        Ukraine in 2014, pulling up its pants, jumped to the EU (like Moldova now) for fair and help, so that at their expense to stand up for nAgs. The EU stroked Ukraine, wrung it out like a washed linen and threw it like a rag under your feet. Now the EU is happy to indicate its place for plundered Ukraine. So, being a slave of Europe is the lot of Svidomo Ukrainians (((((
  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 19 January 2021 01: 23
    +3
    You didn’t say anything? It’s enough that she fell under NATO.
  • Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 19 January 2021 01: 32
    +8
    Without Russia, Ukraine would not exist as such.
    And ukrogadosti for Russians, list?
    Or as in a joke?
    - Chu, kume, but what about us ???
  • Elen_msk Offline Elen_msk
    Elen_msk (Inna Belkina) 24 January 2021 02: 40
    0
    No, you definitely can't think, or you have nothing ((
  • Yuri Stroyev Offline Yuri Stroyev
    Yuri Stroyev (Yuri Stroyev) 19 January 2021 06: 08
    +1
    Let's not forget that more than 8 million Russians permanently reside in Ukraine, as well as Ukrainians whose relatives live in Russia (more than 3 million live on a permanent basis and about 11 million are "mobile migratory forms"), therefore, large-scale use by the military " heavy "means of destruction is clearly not acceptable.
    1. IsmagilovTR Offline IsmagilovTR
      IsmagilovTR (Tim) 19 January 2021 12: 10
      +1
      And here it is?
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 January 2021 16: 25
    -2
    Quote: isofat
    Igor Berg, our opinions do not coincide. And I hope that this person will still bring many benefits to our countries. love

    Why "lured" Schroeder allowed himself to criticize the Kremlin. https://topcor.ru/18267-pochemu-prikormlennyj-shreder-pozvolil-sebe-kritiku-kremlja.html
    1. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 16: 48
      0
      Igor Berg, thanks to the ability of the weather vane to change its direction, we can determine the direction of the wind. Politics, however. wink
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 January 2021 17: 00
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Igor Berg, thanks to the ability of the weather vane to change its direction, we can determine the direction of the wind. Politics, however. wink

    Corruption and lack of principle are more accurate and understandable.
    1. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 19 January 2021 17: 07
      +1
      Gerhard Schroeder, an intelligent and forward-thinking politician. You, no. Not a politician. smile
  • marciz Offline marciz
    marciz (Stas) 20 January 2021 05: 44
    -1
    There will be no rout !!!! There is an opinion that everything that happens after 2014 is all of one hand !!! Someone had to destroy on both sides people who remember the USSR or those who sympathize with that time !!!
    On the one hand, they destroyed and continue to destroy the pro-Russian Ukrainians.
    And from the Russian side, they were armed and, like, on the wave of the struggle against fascism, Bandera gathered and sent people who were convinced that we were one people, thereby reducing the percentage of people living and understanding the world according to Soviet propaganda !!! Chubais rubbed his hands when these people went to Donbass !!!! They in the Kremlin know what they are doing, Novorossiya was a project to destroy unnecessary people on both sides.
  • Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 20 January 2021 11: 00
    -2
    Is Putin going to attack NATO? Tired of someone living without war?
    1. Odessa Greek Offline Odessa Greek
      Odessa Greek (Greek) 20 January 2021 18: 05
      +2
      And that Ukraine is in NATO laughing ??? Lee the clown Zeh promised you this? Oh, yes, NATO will go to war for the thieving Ukraine !!! The whole world is with you))))))))))))))))))))
  • Sergey Pomlyakov (Sergey Pomlyakov) 22 January 2021 21: 12
    0
    Well, yes, so that the money would be frozen.
  • Sergey Pomlyakov (Sergey Pomlyakov) 22 January 2021 21: 13
    0
    Here and China will spit in the face, from losses in business, how much he invested, Putin does not dream.