French media: Some Russians reject patriotic values


The ostentatious patriotism instilled by the Russian authorities does not stand the test of poverty, which many ordinary Russians face, writes the website of the French public radio station France Culture.


The resource notes that 2021 will be very noticeable in Russia, in particular, due to the eightieth anniversary of the German attack on the USSR. Last year, Vladimir Putin was unable to take full advantage of the events dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Victory over Nazism. On the other hand, the Russian leader never misses an opportunity to refer to patriotism and national unity, which, in his view, help to overcome difficulties.

The French media are interested in how widespread this patriotism is among the population of Russia? And also, how strongly is it expressed in big cities and in the provinces, and are the citizens of the Russian Federation ready for sacrifices for the sake of the Motherland?

The text notes that, in general, Russians share pride in winning World War II and are ready to glorify it. In particular, the opinion of schoolgirl Valeria from the Volgograd region is cited as an example of such a view. This value system is maintained both at school and in many families.

However, in other directions, everything is no longer so simple. In Russia, with its 21 million people living below the poverty line, people, faced with their everyday difficulties, are increasingly thinking that their leaders are speculating in patriotic values.

All this rhetoric of the president or the mainstream media, as well as achievements in space exploration or sports, are no longer enough to be proud of Russia if a person does not have something for himself personally.

Some Russians already doubt the official dogmas, while the other part has completely rejected them. This is how the situation was described for a French resource by a certain Ruslan (last name not specified), a 40-year-old Russian of German descent, a miner from Vorkuta, located, reportedly, "almost 2000 kilometers northeast of Moscow."

I have completely lost any sense of patriotism. This happened because I see our level of education, as well as problems in the health sector […]. There is no more strength to endure this, I have to leave, because the future of my family is not at all in Russia, but rather in the European Union and specifically in Germany

- quotes the European radio words of the Russian.
  • Used photos: kremlin.ru
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 12 January 2021 13: 10
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    people, faced with their daily difficulties, increasingly think that their leaders speculate in patriotic values

    Yes Yes. yes When faced with financial difficulties, you probably first think about whether our leaders are speculating with patriotic values? smile We can say with complete confidence that this is the most pressing issue, I would even say a fundamental one, directly a question of the year winked It remains unclear whether people who are facing financial problems in other countries think about this topic.
    If I characterize a French journalist as propactival, would that be considered a curse? smile
    1. Vladimir_ Voronov (Vladimir) 12 January 2021 13: 17
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      This is not a curse word. When referring to such experts, this is his professional skill.

      Ruslan (no last name), a 40-year-old Russian of German descent, is a miner from Vorkuta, reportedly "almost 2000 kilometers northeast of Moscow."
    2. Alexndr p Offline Alexndr p
      Alexndr p (Alexander) 12 January 2021 15: 06
      +2
      The guys are proud of 3 days of resistance to the Germans and heroic deflection in front of them and decided to delve into the Russians, as they have with this.
  2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 12 January 2021 13: 28
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    Russian of German descent

    - is it about the same as the daughter of an officer from Sevastopol?
    In 1812, serfs also disliked their landlords, which did not prevent them from raising Napoleon's soldiers to the pitchfork ...
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 January 2021 14: 35
      +1
      So they also lifted not Napoleon's soldiers on the pitchfork. Only this was modestly silent, unpatriotic, only hints, as in War and Peace.
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 12 January 2021 17: 14
        +2
        So they also lifted not Napoleon's soldiers on the pitchfork.

        What is your evidence? Or - as always blah-blah-blah? ...
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 12 January 2021 18: 47
          +3
          goncharov.62
          In the Great Army of Napoleon, the number of the French proper (with a big stretch) was half the composition.

          The army was distributed according to nationalities as follows. About half of it (300.000 people) were French and residents of countries newly annexed to France, the Germans from Austria, Prussia and the states of the Rhine Union were 190.000 people, Poles and Lithuanians - 90.000 people and, finally, 32.000 Italians, Illyrians, Spaniards and Portuguese.

          http://www.museum.ru/museum/1812/Library/Sitin/book3_03.html

          PS And the Russian peasants, due to their illiteracy, took everyone to the pitch. sad
  3. Cyril Online Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 14: 01
    -3
    It is not the patriotic values ​​themselves that reject, but what is now being substituted for this concept in Russia. And also speculation on these very patriotic values.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 12 January 2021 15: 50
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      It is not the patriotic values ​​themselves that reject, but what is now being substituted for this concept in Russia.

      Surely only you know what they are real? smile
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  4. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 12 January 2021 14: 56
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    That is why the USSR won the Second World War, and the French surrendered a month later, and then because the Germans could not catch them to sign the surrender.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 12 January 2021 15: 33
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    The well-fed hungry and the rich poor will never understand! Remember how the athletes were indignant and their deputies supported them when the question arose: "To compete without a coat of arms and without a flag? And they didn't care about the flag and coat of arms, they would have given them money! And Putin and the government also don't care about the country's athletes performing no flag! Therefore, everyone understands patriotism in his own way.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 12 January 2021 15: 42
      +3
      And then Putin is not aware that athletes do not care about the flag. They make money. They change clubs, teams, countries, in pursuit of high income. There is no more patriotism in the Olympic Games now than in a cockroach race
  6. Dear sofa expert. 12 January 2021 15: 40
    +3
    In Russia, with its 21 million people living below the poverty line, ..

    This is certainly not a good fact, but objectively: 21 million is about 14% of the population. And in France itself below the poverty line, 16% live.
    Here's who would reason ...
    1. Cyril Online Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 15: 47
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      And in France itself below the poverty line, 16% live.

      Can you find out where this number comes from?
      1. Dear sofa expert. 12 January 2021 16: 05
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        And in France itself below the poverty line, 16% live.

        Can you find out where this number comes from?

        Can. From the Internet.)
        1. Cyril Online Cyril
          Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 16: 10
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          The poor in France are officially recognized as those whose monthly income does not exceed 60% of the national average, that is, at the level of 1026 euros per “consumption unit”. However, the Observatory of Inequalities considers this indicator at the level of 50% of the average income, defining the poverty line at 855 euros. Thus, it turned out that below the poverty line in France lives also 8% of the population.

          This number is 2 times less.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 12 January 2021 17: 09
            +1
            This number is 2 times less.

            Because it's complete nonsense.
            If it comes to that, then at least read the original:

            https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauvreté_en_France

            The French themselves write about 16%. And this is the data for 2016.

            Today about 16%
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 12 January 2021 17: 49
              +2
              Dear Couch Expert, translation of the article referred to Cyrildoes not match the original. And what he quoted is just missing in the original.

              Where did this 8% come from ... it's hard to say. It is necessary to analyze the personality of the author.

              PS I took the numbers voiced by Veronica Faye, and your data was confirmed.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 12 January 2021 18: 11
                +2
                PS I took the numbers voiced by Veronica Faye, and your data was confirmed.

                Yes. But in fact, everything there is much worse than the official statistics.
                14% was said in 2016. In 2019 (summer) I already read about 16%.
                Over the past year, everything has changed for the worse there. Plus, the present crisis has generously added fuel to the fire. Its implications have yet to be calculated. Naturally, this applies not only to the French. This will shuffle the cards all over the world.
            2. Cyril Online Cyril
              Cyril (Kirill) 12 January 2021 23: 32
              0
              Now thanks for the link
  7. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 12 January 2021 16: 17
    0
    No, our country will not be able to resist the current European "values", where only profit is at the forefront, and not love for the Motherland, and honor and conscience are now not in our honor, instead of kindness we now have a man to a wolf, etc. - this is what such a longed-for Western "democracy" brought us, and over 35 years of its introduction into the minds of our youth, almost 2 generations of "Ivanov who do not remember kinship" have already grown up - destroyed the pioneer and Komsomol movements that fostered patriotism and Soviet youth, but nothing was offered in their place, and now their place is taken by alcohol, drugs and all sorts of spice and snus ...
    Right before our eyes, there is a complete degradation of our society, and no ministers and deputies care about this, their kids live and study in prestigious Oxfords and Etons, and for ordinary mortals, as Gref says, a four-year education is enough for them and it will not be needed ... Where do we live now, in stagnation, or in a swamp, from where we can no longer get out ...
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 12 January 2021 16: 37
      +1
      The letters of Sigismund II were delivered to Moscow and Smolensk, in which he claimed that, as a relative of the Russian rulers and at the request of the Russian people, he was going to save the dying state and the Orthodox faith. Frightened, the Moscow boyars recognized the prince Vladislav as the Russian tsar. In 1610, an agreement was concluded, which stipulated the main plan of the state structure of Russia: the inviolability of the Orthodox faith; restriction of freedom; division of the power of the sovereign with the Boyar Duma and the Zemsky Sobor.

      In August 1612, the army of Pozharsky and Minin reached Moscow, on October 26 the Polish garrison surrendered. Moscow was completely liberated. The Time of Troubles, which lasted almost 10 years, is over.

      The Time of Troubles led to an economic and economic downturn. The size of arable land fell 20 times, the number of peasants decreased 4 times. Land cultivation was reduced, and the monasteries were ravaged by the invaders. The death toll during the war is approximately equal to one third of the country's inhabitants. In several regions of the country, the population fell below the level of the XNUMXth century.

      https://obrazovanie.guru/istoriya/kratkaya-hronologiya-smutnogo-vremeni.html
      This is what the love for Western values ​​(Poland) and the "brothers" of Little Russians (Sahaidachny and Cossacks) leads to.
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 12 January 2021 17: 23
        +4
        I wonder who is minus you and for what ...

        Ah, I got it! For the denial of Western liberal (with a little) values!
    2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 12 January 2021 17: 21
      +1
      destroyed the pioneer and Komsomol movements that brought up

      Madam! I dare to assure you, they carried such garbage that now and then (70s - 80s) the hair on their heads stood and felt nauseous. And there was no talk about Education. Try to debate on a zero information base on any issue with the secretary of the comrade at school. Do you understand? Unless, of course, you are an instructor of the Komsomol city committee. The Komsomol was already dead in the seventies. And later he just stank of the lies of the apologists of Ka Pe ES Es. And there is no need to refer (like many) to the Second World War - there is something else.
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 12 January 2021 19: 17
        0
        You probably just read the wrong books as a child. Vysotsky V. With you in the edge!

  8. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 12 January 2021 17: 32
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    From life. Several times I had a chance to start partnering with colleagues from the EU. You start by chatting in English, when you switch to voice contact, introduce yourself, Hold On, then "Hello". Latvia, Italy, France, Germany - compatriots everywhere, they are entrusted with running a Russian company and everyone is clearly pleased to communicate in Russian. I offered a lady from a technopark in Nice, let's do it in French, the extreme time for practice is not enough ... And I don't have it in Russian at all ... Lada, I persuaded ... The correspondence, of course, in English ...
    Globalization, damn it ... belay
  9. Jozhik_2 Offline Jozhik_2
    Jozhik_2 (Jozhik) 12 January 2021 21: 41
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    As a rule, this part welcomes pederastic values.