Energianews: Gazprom's monopoly in Europe destroyed


On the last day of 2020, the first gas pipeline began operation, which not only bypasses Russia and its "raw" claims, but also provides Europe with inexpensive "blue fuel" from Azerbaijani suppliers. The Polish resource Energianews writes about a new source of gas for Poland and other European countries, as well as the destruction of the monopoly of Russian Gazprom on the EU gas market.


We are talking about the Azerbaijani pipeline PKG - the Southern Gas Corridor, which consists of three gas pipelines running through Georgia, Turkey and the Caspian and Adriatic Seas. The new gas route bypasses Russia and Ukraine. Thus, gas does not come from inexhaustible Russian fields, but from a completely new source on the EU market - the offshore Shah Deniz field, whose proven reserves are 1,2 trillion cubic meters of natural gas and 240 million tons of gas condensate.

It is expected that Baku will be able to supply more than 10 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe annually for at least 25 years. Of these, about 8 billion cubic meters will go to Italy, and 1 billion cubic meters - to Greece and Bulgaria. The rest will be sold in neighboring markets (Albania has already signed a fuel supply contract).

Russia closely followed the construction of PKG, but kept a cool head. Gazprom and the experts supporting it do not deviate from the thesis about the possibilities of endless supplies of Russian gas, the largest pipeline system and the brand of a reliable supplier. It was only when the Southern Gas Corridor project was nearing completion that the Russians resorted to a tried and tested instrument of punishing their former republics for insubordination. Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of tomatoes and apples from Azerbaijan on November 10.

So far, the annual 10 billion cubic meters of PNG gas do not pose a clear threat to Gazprom, which in 2020 sold almost 180 billion cubic meters of fuel abroad. However, Moscow understands that PKG opens up new opportunities for the European Union. If Turkmenistan, which has the fourth largest gas reserves in the world, joins the gas pipeline, the volume of transportation can be doubled. It is also possible to build another parallel PKG line, which will further increase the capacity of the gas route. In addition, there are many who want to buy Azerbaijani gas, which is cheaper than Russian.
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  1. Restless Sagittarius (Vladimir) 8 January 2021 15: 15
    +1
    Azerbaijan is still on the brink of a war with Armenia, and Turkey can also drag Baku into a war with the Russian Federation, so supplies from this country are not unambiguous and of questionable reliability.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 8 January 2021 16: 09
      +1
      The market always changes, competitors come, and that does not have to sleep on the laurels of the USSR in Europe. The right direction to the densely populated Asian region, where conditions for Gazprom are more convenient than other competitors, although Turkmenistan is already supplying gas to China in full ... And it is impossible to live only on the sale of resources, even Saudi Arabia is fully diversifying its economy, why is Russia lagging behind ...
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 8 January 2021 17: 37
        +7
        The budget of the Russian Federation consists of 30% of the production and sale of hydrocarbons, the country is called a "gas station". The KSA budget is 95%, the country is called the "core of the world economy." CNN will not say badly, she appointed a prezik ...
  2. greenchelman Offline greenchelman
    greenchelman (Grigory Tarasenko) 8 January 2021 16: 41
    -1
    Caspian ... o_0
  3. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 8 January 2021 17: 21
    +2
    In order to lay a gas pipe from Turkmenistan to Azerbaijan, it is necessary to drive a pipe-laying vessel and auxiliary vessels into the Caspian Sea.
    How to do it past Russia? Will Russia agree to this? Here are two simple questions.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 8 January 2021 18: 12
      0



      Russia is marked in yellow here. And who should ask her?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 8 January 2021 19: 39
        +2
        Russia is marked in yellow here. And who should ask her?

        I look, maps and geography are not yours No. Point your finger at the section of the Turkish-Azerbaijani border (not to be confused with the Nakhichevan enclave).
        1. lahudra Offline lahudra
          lahudra (Nikolay Kondrashkin) 8 January 2021 21: 20
          0
          Geographer, ride with a breeze along the Kars-Tbilisi-Baku route or along the railway of the Russian Empire Poti-Tbilisi-Baku.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 8 January 2021 23: 44
            +3
            Geographer, ride with a breeze along the Kars-Tbilisi-Baku route or along the railway of the Russian Empire Poti-Tbilisi-Baku.

            Thanks for the offer, but I guess I'll refuse. I have nothing to do there, I'm not sure about the reliability of railway transport in those places, and it is restless there, they fight from time to time.
            Tbilisi is not exactly Azerbaijan or Turkey, which means it will have to negotiate with the Georgians, which is somewhat problematic, given the intention to build a road bypassing Georgia. On the one hand, you deprive them of transit, and on the other hand, you agree on the other. They may not go to meet the wishes. But this is not so important. If you have noticed, initially we are talking about the delivery of gas from Turkmenistan. This problem is much more serious. I also recommend looking at the map. There are three delivery options from there. Through Russia, Iran or the Caspian. In the first case, to negotiate with Russia, in the second with Iran, in the third, simultaneously with Russia and Iran. Tellingly, both these countries will not allow large gas suppliers and Turkmen gas to Europe under any conditions. They don't need a competitor. Without their agreement with them, the pipeline cannot be extended across the Caspian Sea; it is still a solution to the problem. And Azerbaijan cannot independently fill the pipe in the volumes that Europeans dream of. As a result, they can get Russian gas through Azerbaijan. If they want to pump Russian gas through the pipes of the Caucasus and Asia Minor, so as to end up buying it at a higher price, let them do it.
        2. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 08: 44
          -1
          They discussed the need to coordinate the route of a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Europe through the Caspian with Russia.
          Do you think so too?
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 9 January 2021 09: 44
            +2
            They discussed the need to coordinate the route of a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Europe through the Caspian with Russia.
            Do you think so too?

            Without filling the pipe with Turkmen gas, coordinating the route makes no sense. For now, anyway. Azerbaijan simply does not have that much gas.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 10: 43
              -2
              According to various data, Turkmenistan ranks first or fourth in the world in terms of gas reserves. It is not doing well with the infrastructure, but it fulfills its obligations to the main buyer of Turkmen gas - China. She will most likely focus on this area.
              After the signing of the Caspian Convention, in theory, Turkmen gas could go through the Caspian to Europe. Environmental approvals of the pipeline by the Caspian countries are unlikely to be an obstacle. It is difficult to predict here. There are many different factors.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 9 January 2021 20: 29
                +2
                According to various data, Turkmenistan ranks first or fourth in the world in terms of gas reserves. It is not doing well with the infrastructure, but it fulfills its obligations to the main buyer of Turkmen gas - China. She will most likely focus on this area.

                With which you can congratulate her. Venezuela also has a lot of oil, a Turkmenbashi could go to see how it happens. The infrastructure was built by China for its own money, for which it now pumps out gas. Naturally, soybean obligations Turkmenistan fulfills yes , where can she go? And it will "focus" on this very direction, well, maybe India and Pakistan, if the Chinese do not object to supplies to India.

                After the signing of the Caspian Convention, in theory, Turkmen gas could go through the Caspian to Europe. Environmental approvals of the pipeline by the Caspian countries are unlikely to be an obstacle. It is difficult to predict here. There are many different factors.

                Keywords could... SP-2 could have been completed long ago, and SP-1 is 100% full. This is how they are - market relations. There is only one factor, Iran and Russia have learned the rules of the game,
                Turkmen gas will not be allowed to Europe.
                1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                  Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 21: 41
                  -1
                  And she will "focus" on this very direction

                  In any case, Turkmenistan is a competitor for Russia. Not in Europe, so in China.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 9 January 2021 21: 54
                    +1
                    In any case, Turkmenistan is a competitor for Russia. Not in Europe, so in China.

                    Are you looking for at least a spoonful of honey in a barrel of tar? smile I have to disappoint you, she is not there. request
                    First, look at the volumes of consumption by China and supplies from Turkmenistan, this is a drop in the bucket.
                    Secondly, the "Russian" and "Turkmen" gas pipelines do not duplicate each other, they are being built to supply gas to different territories.
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 22: 06
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                      1)
                      I have to disappoint you, she's not there

                      Well, are we talking about prospects and trends?

                      2)
                      Secondly, the "Russian" and "Turkmen" gas pipelines do not duplicate each other, they are being built to supply gas to different territories.

                      It doesn't matter, because gas goes to the same country. This is already an internal issue of China and of course it will try to save on logistics. The total amount of gas it consumes is unlikely to depend on the routes of its delivery.
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 9 January 2021 22: 14
                        +1
                        Well, are we talking about prospects and trends?

                        I'm actually talking about reality, which you do not know. There is no prospect of becoming a competitor to Russia in the Chinese gas market and is not foreseen.

                        It doesn't matter, because gas goes to the same country. This is already an internal issue of China and of course it will try to save on logistics. The total amount of gas it consumes is unlikely to depend on the routes of its delivery.

                        That's right, they will try to save on logistics, because they pull the pipe in their country for their own money. Why would they build a parallel pipeline? Do you think the Chinese are idiots?
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 00: 10
        +4
        Russia is marked in yellow here. And who should ask her?

        Yes, even a gray-brown-crimson. Are you going to deliver these ships by rail? So they will be too big. And the only waterway is the Volga with the corresponding system of canals, which Comrade Stalin left us as a legacy. Or will you drive them along the Kura?
        Flag in your hands, drum on your neck! Geography at school should have been taught, not smoking.
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 13: 10
          -2
          Are you still convinced that the Caspian is the inland sea of ​​Russia?
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 13: 13
            +3
            For the alternatively gifted, here's a third hint: how are you going to introduce a pipe-laying vessel into the Caspian Sea? Yes, not the inland sea of ​​Russia, but I did not confirm this. It was not internal for the USSR either. But the Volga is the internal river of Russia. But this does not change the urgency of my question. How?
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 13: 18
              -1
              It will be built in Iran. For example, at the shipyard of the SADRA Shipyard Corporation.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 13: 44
                +3
                Who told you that Iran is interested in supplying Turkmen gas to Europe? He has his own.
                Iran will not allow a pipe to be dragged through its territory and the pipe-layer will not be built. If only because, even when built and laid the pipe, it will remain in the Caspian forever. And who needs him there?
                1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                  Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 16: 14
                  -3
                  You can always agree on mutually beneficial terms. There are a lot of options ...
                  Read: <Trade between Iran and Azerbaijan continues after border closure due to coronavirus> https://www.trend.az/business/3226016.html
                  1. boriz Offline boriz
                    boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 18: 59
                    +2
                    Well, that's only if you personally convince them.
                    And so, for many years Russia and Iran have had a firm consolidated position: the gas pipeline from Turkmenistan through the Caspian Sea will not be allowed.
                    https://www.rbc.ru/economics/15/05/2006/5703c2f29a7947dde8e0a824 2006 год

                    Something tells me that they won't listen to you.
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 22: 28
                      -1
                      Something tells me that they will not listen to you.

                      And I do not insist. I'm just talking about the opportunities that open up.
                      1. boriz Offline boriz
                        boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 22: 30
                        0
                        Dreaming is not harmful. But in fact neither Russia nor Iran will allow this gas pipeline. This is what I and everyone else are talking about.
                        So who needs your dreams, distracted from reality?
                      2. Uneven Offline Uneven
                        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 11 January 2021 12: 38
                        -2
                        neither Russia nor Iran will allow this pipeline.

                        a) I remember that Russia promised to abandon Ukrainian gas transit in 2019. Planned to bring the capitalization of Gazprom to 1 tn. $. We dreamed of four branches of the Turkish Stream ... Well, and?

                        b) Iran will "allow" everything that suits it. http://casp-geo.ru/predstaviteli-azerbajdzhana-i-irana-obsudili-dvustoronnee-sotrudnichestvo/
                        Or, suppose they push it through the Azerbaijani diaspora ...
                  2. boriz Offline boriz
                    boriz (boriz) 10 January 2021 01: 34
                    +1
                    I'm sorry, for 2019. this:
                    https://iz.ru/910284/aleksandr-frolov/pod-gazom
    2. Last Offline Last
      Last (i. latest) 9 January 2021 10: 01
      -1
      Anyone who wants to stretch the pipe. If there is "no" - no one will last.
  4. shvn Offline shvn
    shvn (Vyacheslav) 9 January 2021 13: 19
    +2
    Russia and Iran did not agree to lay a gas pipeline along the bottom of the Caspian Sea. The Turkmens cannot join the pipeline bypassing Russia.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 13: 25
      -3
      Not yet evening. Will be in time. They will "give" when asked.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 19: 00
        +2
        And who will ask? Are you personally?
        Because the USA does not need it either.
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  • Uneven Offline Uneven
    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 8 January 2021 18: 05
    -2
    Key question: What is the buyer interested in? In this case, it is the European Union. And he is interested in as many gas sellers as possible, which enables the buyer to put pressure on prices. And most importantly, the buyer is categorically not interested in the monopoly of any seller in this market and will do everything to ensure that the withdrawal of any seller from the market would not become a tragedy and a replacement would be easily found for him.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 00: 37
      +3
      Where did you see the monopoly there?
      But besides diversification, the buyer is interested in the reliability of the supplier. And Shah Deniz 2 was greatly overrated. https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/639879-azerbaydzhan-pristupaet-k-kommercheskim-postavkam-gaza-po-gazoprovodu-tap/
      Azerbaijan even signed an agreement with Gazprom on additional supplies of 5 billion cubic meters of gas.
      That is, the gas that Azerbaijan pumps through the TAP also contains Russian gas. And if Azerbaijan continues to behave incorrectly, not only the export of tomatoes and apples may be cut off, but also the gas valve.
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 08: 40
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        1)
        Where did you see the monopoly there?

        In 2011, Europe consumed 257.7 billion cubic meters. gas. Of these, Gazprom's 218.83 billion cubic meters.

        2)
        But besides diversification, the buyer is interested in the reliability of the supplier.

        That is why the Europeans are cutting down gas consumption from the country posing as an "energy superpower". They responded adequately to some hints from the Russian administration.

        3)
        the gas that Azerbaijan pumps through the TAP also contains Russian gas.

        TAP will not be empty even without Russian gas, and Russia is primarily interested in pumping excess volumes
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 9 January 2021 10: 34
          +4
          In 2011, Europe consumed 257.7 billion cubic meters. gas. Of these, Gazprom's 218.83 billion cubic meters.

          It's 2021. You would have cited statistics for the 1913th. sad

          That is why the Europeans are cutting down gas consumption from the country posing as an "energy superpower". They responded adequately to some hints from the Russian administration.

          The "super-consumers" posing as independent power have no real alternative to Russian gas, everything else leads to the collapse of the industry, it is doomed because it becomes uncompetitive. Over the past 10 years, the growth has been about zero.
          https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Wirtschaft/Konjunkturindikatoren/Produktion/kpi117.html

          News on this topic "Lokomotiv Europe" is approximately the following:
          This is for 2014 ...

          German industry experiences the largest drop in orders since 2009

          https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2014/10/06/6250577.shtml

          This is for 2018:

          Industrial production is falling, exports are stagnating, and the government is forced to revise its growth forecast for 2019, reducing this figure to 1%.
          From the internal documents that came to the disposal of the German press, it follows that the real reduction is much stronger than expected by Angela Merkel's cabinet, and the newly announced "downgraded forecast" is also not for long and will soon be revised again.

          https://iz.ru/860336/vladimir-dobrynin/zastoinyi-tost-evrosoiuz-vkhodit-v-stadiiu-stagnatcii-ekonomiki

          This is for 2019:

          Compared to December 2018, industrial production fell by 6,8%.

          http://www.finmarket.ru/database/news/5167201

          The German industry, which experienced a collapse in output in the summer (by 5,4% in August), in September took another step towards a full-fledged economic recession.

          https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/promyshlennost-germanii-rukhnula-rekordno-za-10-let-1028545814

          In 2020, the growth was 0.9%, which partially offset the decline in 2019.
          https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/german-industrial-production-135

          TAP will not be empty even without Russian gas, and Russia is primarily interested in pumping excess volumes

          True? And what will she fill it with?
          Follow the link for more details on Russian-Azerbaijani cooperation in the gas sector and the volume of gas production in Azerbaijan. There is no gas to fill the pipe.
          http://geoenergetics.ru/2020/03/10/neftegazovaya-otrasl-azerbajdzhana-i-otnosheniya-s-rossiej/

          Azerbaijan plans to increase production by 2024, but so far these are only plans
          http://geoenergetics.ru/2020/03/10/neftegazovaya-otrasl-azerbajdzhana-i-otnosheniya-s-rossiej/

          Why is Russia so frightened in pumping excess volumes? What nonsense? Have you read Svidomo again? sad
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 11: 13
            -1
            1)
            It's 2021. You would have cited statistics for the 1913th

            I took statistics for 2011 in order to compare with what Europe has done in this direction over 10 years.



            2) I have never denied the inevitability of crises in the capitalist system.
            In Germany, with its developed industry, there is something to fall. In this, Russia is clearly lagging behind.
            Someone considers it a blessing.

            3)
            Why is Russia so frightened in pumping excess volumes?

            As the Ukrainian experience shows, pumping someone else's gas through its pipelines can bring good profits.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 14: 54
              +3
              3)
              Why is Russia so frightened in pumping excess volumes?

              As the Ukrainian experience shows, pumping someone else's gas through its pipelines can bring good profits.

              You are in complete trouble with logic. Ukraine - yes, it pumps foreign (Russian) gas through its pipes for money. But, in the example with Azerbaijan, where is Russia's gain from pumping? It is Azerbaijan that pumps foreign, Russian (by origin) gas. But this gas was bought by Azerbaijan, legally it is already the gas of Azerbaijan. And Russia just sold gas on the border with Azerbaijan. His further fate has nothing to do with Russia.
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 16: 05
                0
                The options for pumping Azerbaijani gas through Russia were discussed here.
            2. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 9 January 2021 21: 02
              +1
              I took statistics for 2011 in order to compare with what Europe has done in this direction over 10 years.

              And as an illustration, they brought this strange picture? belay Why strange? In open sane sources, there is a figure indicating the share of Gazprom at the current moment about 34%. At the highest .... the share of Russia is determined at a 18%. But gas is supplied to the European market not only by Gazprom and it goes not only through pipes, LNG is also supplied. So the statistics are at least "crafty". I do not know what it was, you deliberately brought inaccurate information, in fact, you lied or, as usual, thoughtlessly provide any information confirming your point of view. In any case, your comment stinks a mile away. negative
              By the way, I found this picture smile

              "Writing by a Foreign Agent" I didn't recognize him from the photograph.
              https://taxfree.livejournal.com/2632835.html

              It doesn't matter though. Look at the link, in the first illustration the share of Russia is 18%, in the second 49%. These are your sources sad

              I have never denied the inevitability of crises in the capitalist system.
              In Germany, with its developed industry, there is something to fall. In this, Russia is clearly lagging behind.
              Someone considers it a blessing.

              Oh yeah!!! Russia is lagging behind in this, moreover, it is not going to approach the edge of the pit. And many really consider it a blessing, apparently you are not one of them. winked

              As the Ukrainian experience shows, pumping someone else's gas through its pipelines can bring good profits.

              Are you slipping into outright stupidity? smile Pumping gas through Ukraine is a forced measure and is due to the countermeasures of the "Western partners". the fact that Gazprom's supplies allow it to operate even under these conditions speaks of a colossal margin of safety. Pumping gas through Azerbaijan has nothing to do with economics and common sense. This is politics in its purest form. European political bankrupts cannot admit their mistake and dependence on the United States and continue to stubbornly eat the cactus. To think that Russia is interested in this is an outright lie. negative
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 21: 25
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                1)
                And as an illustration, they brought this strange picture? belay Why strange? In open sane sources, there is a figure indicating the share of Gazprom at the current moment about 34%.

                Now I chew for you what is shown in the picture. First and last time:
                If you look closely at the curly brace on the right, you will see that Gazprom's 18% refers to their share of LNG relative to other LNG suppliers.

                2)
                Russia is lagging behind in this, moreover, it is not going to approach the edge of the pit.

                Still would! She is already at this "edge".

                3)
                Pumping gas through Ukraine is a forced measure

                Are you saying that "pumping" gas through Ukraine does not bring Gazprom any profit?
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 9 January 2021 21: 41
                  +1
                  Now I chew for you what is shown in the picture. First and last time:
                  If you look closely at the curly brace on the right, you will see that Gazprom's 18% refers to their share of LNG relative to other LNG suppliers.

                  You were trying in such a strange way to illustrate the decline in Gazprom's share in the European market? belay And what can we understand by stroking this art? Now I understand your dental problems, you have to chew often, probably erased to the gums laughing

                  Still would! She is already at this "edge".

                  Do not wait No.

                  Are you saying that "pumping" gas through Ukraine does not bring Gazprom any profit?

                  I want to say that you have a rather strange idea of ​​the economy. It is foolish to send goods on a more expensive route. Read at your leisure what it means to optimize costs and reduce transport costs. This means that it is time for Ukraine to harvest dung, 4 years left hi
                  1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 22: 23
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                    1)
                    And what can we understand by stroking this art?

                    I don’t understand, but what may be not clear there?

                    2)
                    Do not wait

                    I would be glad. But I don't use pink glasses and I don't know ostrich skills ...

                    3)
                    It is foolish to send goods on a more expensive route.

                    Absolutely correct remark! But given some circumstances, I can't get rid of doubts ...
                    Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Peskov: “We cannot operate with common sense concepts for government purposes.
                    Common sense, of course, should be present everywhere, always and constantly. But it cannot be a criterion. "Https://m.fontanka.ru/2019/02/07/105/
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 9 January 2021 22: 43
                      +1
                      I don’t understand, but what may be not clear there?

                      Is everything clear to you? So tell me, looking at this art, what is the share of Russia in the European gas market? That does not work request Then the question is, what exactly is clear to you?

                      I would be glad. But I don't use pink glasses and I don't know ostrich skills.

                      You probably know better through the brown ones laughing As I understand it, the arguments have been exhausted, has the altercation begun? In the next commentary, expect accusations from you that we do not understand anything, all experts are ignorant and the facts are not true? winked

                      Absolutely correct remark! But given some circumstances, I can't get rid of doubts ...

                      You cannot get rid of delusion. What you wrote next is sheer stupidity fool try to discuss this on Svidomo sites, in a close circle of like-minded people. Here your "brain twists" are of no interest to anyone. No.
                      In general, if there is anything on the case, you are welcome. If not, good night, I will not answer any stupidity hi
                      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 10 January 2021 16: 39
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                        1)
                        Then the question is, what exactly is clear to you?

                        a) Shares of LNG in %% of Russian and others in the European market in 1-3 quarters of 2019.
                        b) Volume of the European gas market for Q1-3 2019.

                        2)
                        What you wrote next is sheer stupidity

                        All questions to Peskov. I just voiced.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 13: 34
          +2
          In 2011, Europe consumed 257.7 billion cubic meters. gas. Of these, Gazprom's 218.83 billion cubic meters.

          We have already found out that geography is not yours.
          But also with math (at the middle high school level, you have serious problems.
          Look at the diagram that you have given and which contradicts your own statement about 257,7 billion cubic meters. gas.
          Take 18% of the 343 billion cubic meters declared there. and get 61 billion cubic meters.
          You at least compare your links with your own statements. They strongly contradict each other.
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 18: 28
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            You are not very attentive. I'm starting to get bored pointing you at your bloopers. 257,7 for ALL 2011, and 18% for the 1-3 quarters of 2019.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 19: 03
              +1
              https://www.gazprom.ru/f/posts/86/062008/presentation-press-conf-2018-06-07-ru.pdf
              Read the primary sources. I don't see a radical fall.
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 21: 31
                -1
                I see no radical fall

                Apparently these are your features of vision.
                First, there are no data for the last 3 years.
                Secondly, over the years, gas consumption by the European Union has grown significantly, and the amount of gas supplied to Europe by Russia is stagnating. Hence the significant drop in Gazprom's share in percent.
                1. boriz Offline boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 22: 38
                  +2
                  Well, show your data for the last 3 years. Link to the original source.
                  And who cares about interest? Gazprom produces as much as it produces.
                  The Netherlands just stopped mining. And in percentage and in cubes. Norway also has production constantly changing. Now there is a short recovery, the last large field has been launched. Three years later there will be a final decline.
                  Our supplies to the EU are kept at about the same level. Deposits are getting farther north. So why bother? We need to get off the raw material needle.
                  1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 10 January 2021 16: 49
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                    1)
                    Gazprom produces as much as it produces.

                    It was about the loss of Gazprom's monopoly on the European market.

                    2)
                    We need to get off the raw material needle.

                    a) <Putin loves to get off the oil needle>



                    b) For Russia, the only way to "get off the oil needle" is to drastically reduce the budget filling by reducing hydrocarbon exports, at the same time seriously raising taxes and at the same time trying not to collapse the rest of the budget donors too much.
        3. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 13: 37
          +2
          TAP will not be empty even without Russian gas, and Russia is primarily interested in pumping excess volumes

          Russia does not care which pipe to pump its gas through. But it will be nice to frame Azerbaijan (if it misbehaves). They will disrupt contractual deliveries and lower the payback of the gas pipeline.
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 18: 30
            -2
            Kindergarten.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 18: 36
              +1
              If possible, publish something meaningful.
              If, of course, they can.
        4. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 14: 00
          +2
          TAP will not be empty even without Russian gas,

          Where such confidence? Because you want to?
        5. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 14: 02
          +1
          That is why the Europeans are cutting down gas consumption from the country posing as an "energy superpower". They responded adequately to some hints from the Russian administration.

          Can you have a link to the statistics of cuts in Russian gas supplies to the EU?
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 18: 31
            -1
            See graph from 2019 and compare with 2011 figures above. In 2011, Gazprom had 84,9% of the total consumption of the European Union, in 2019 it left 18%.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 9 January 2021 18: 50
              -2


              https://riarating.ru/countries_rankings/20120227/575988972.html
              Let's sum up without Turkey and Armenia.
            2. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 19: 04
              +2
              Firstly, I didn't give a reason to poke me.
              Secondly, do you understand the word "link"?
        6. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 22: 59
          +1
          In 2011, Europe consumed 257.7 billion cubic meters. gas. Of these, Gazprom's 218.83 billion cubic meters.

          Somehow it doesn't seem to be true.
          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2106293
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 8 January 2021 19: 32
    +7
    We are talking about the Azerbaijani pipeline PKG - the Southern Gas Corridor, which consists of three gas pipelines running through Georgia, Turkey and the Caspian and Adriatic Seas.

    I see that Europeans are rapidly catching up with Americans in terms of their knowledge of geography. I tried to build a route: Azerbaijan - Georgia - Turkey - Caspian Sea - Adriatic Sea. It is strange that they are silent about the area that runs along the bottom of the Belarusian Sea. winked

    Tellingly, Russia is not a monopoly on the EU gas market, Gazprom's share is now about 34%, including LNG, if I am not mistaken, not much more than 40%. The share of Azerbaijan in the future is about 6%. In general, the usual propaganda - let's stop the aggressive and totalitarian Russian gas. Will go to zatyukanny burghers.
  • Obama Barack Offline Obama Barack
    Obama Barack (Obama Barack) 8 January 2021 21: 56
    +2
    15 billion cubic meters of gas versus almost 200 billion cubic meters supplied by Gazprom. Is this a joke? And if we consider that 5 billion of these 15 are supplied by Gazprom?) This is even a blessing for Gazprom! No one else can say that Gazprom is a monopoly on the EU (pipeline gas) market. )))
  • EXPrompt Offline EXPrompt
    EXPrompt (EXPrompt) 8 January 2021 22: 25
    +5
    Well, firstly, TAP-tanap of the Russian Federation does not represent any real thunderstorm. 10 million cubic meters per year is nothing. 179 billion is what Gazprom sold in 2020.
    Secondly, the original Shah Deniz field has not been fulfilling gas plans for several years already, moreover, there has been a tendency to inject this very gas back into the reservoirs for several years to increase the oil recovery from Sh-D. And the trend is accelerating, there will be less and less gas. In general, Sh-D does not, in fact, confirm the parameters that they were given at the beginning of the project at the stage of exploration. This is in fact.

    What are the threats if Azerbaijan does not have excess gas right now, and in the future the situation will only get worse.
  • oracul Offline oracul
    oracul (leonid) 9 January 2021 08: 06
    +2
    The West quickly taught us to love the Motherland, otherwise they rolled our lips: the market, capitalism, the WTO, we will sell our own, we will buy what we need. The Lilliputians of Gulliver were entangled with ropes, but they did not manage to tie Russia economically. We do not need a monopoly; Gazprom's turn to the East continues. Everything has its time.
  • Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) 9 January 2021 10: 31
    +4
    It is unambiguous that the text was written in order to calm the sickly Khokhlyak and Polish patriots. As far as I know (if someone has not already described it) they have been cheering this public with such news for many years, but this news hardly brings any particular joy if you look at the technical information.
    If somehow they do not come to an agreement with the Turkmen, the hot Azeri guys have nothing to fill this gas pipeline with and they are forced to bribe the Russian one so that at least somehow it will work. AI, based on the fact that the Azerbaijanis themselves do not hide, with gas they are not as rosy as the Poles would like. And who knows, maybe soon this gas pipeline will again pump gas from Gazprom, with a touch of Azeri, calming the unhealthy public with diversified supplies and weakening the monopoly.
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 9 January 2021 13: 15
    -2
    Quote: 123
    Russia is marked in yellow here. And who should ask her?

    I look, maps and geography are not yours No. Point your finger at the section of the Turkish-Azerbaijani border (not to be confused with the Nakhichevan enclave).

    Clause 9 of the Peace Agreement of 10.11.20. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. Armenia guarantees the safety of transport links between the western regions of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic. Transport control is exercised by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia. By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided. So build a railway, a pipeline, a road, and everything you need ... don't worry like that, take care of your health ..
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 9 January 2021 13: 40
      0
      Transport control is exercised by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia. On agreement of the parties construction of new transport communications will be provided

      Keywords are highlighted.
      And you don’t get sick.
    2. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 January 2021 21: 15
      +1
      Clause 9 of the Peace Agreement of 10.11.20. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. Armenia guarantees the safety of transport links between the western regions of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic. Transport control is exercised by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia. By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided.

      Unblocking economic and transport links means that conditions will be like with other countries. This does not mean an automatic consent to the construction of anything non-Armenian territory. Do you think that now Azerbaijan can do whatever it wants there and not ask Armenia? laughing

      So I'll build a railway, a pipeline, a road, and everything you need ... don't worry like that, take care of your health ..

      Touched by your concern hi Don't worry about me, I wouldn't catch a cold at the funeral ... winked
  • Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 9 January 2021 14: 08
    -1
    Quote: boriz
    Transport control is exercised by the bodies of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia. On agreement of the parties construction of new transport communications will be provided

    Keywords are highlighted.
    And you don’t get sick.

    Construction will be ensured - it also does not interfere with allocating ... And control is control, so that Armenia does not interfere with transport links ... everything is clear and understandable, and you can not turn it upside down
  • SASS Offline SASS
    SASS (Sass) 9 January 2021 19: 00
    +1
    Quote: Restless Sagittarius
    Azerbaijan is still on the brink of a war with Armenia, and Turkey can also drag Baku into a war with the Russian Federation, so supplies from this country are not unambiguous and of questionable reliability.

    War, you say ... With Russia? Azerbaijan? Hehe ... Well, very wise it is ...))