"To return to the rightful owner": in Russia they again coveted the lands of Kazakhstan


Kazakhstan must return the lands received from the RSFSR during the existence of the Soviet Union to the country that has a legal right to them - that is, the Russian Federation. This opinion was expressed by a member of the Central Political Council of the United Russia party and a State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fedorov on the air of the Internet channel Belrusinfro.


According to Fedorov, the lands of the USSR can be divided into three categories: those that were originally part of the republic, received from the Soviet Union, and those that were annexed from the territories of other republics on a lease basis for the duration of their stay in the Union. Fedorov believes that here we can just talk about the third option - Kazakhstan received land from the RSFSR, and now, in accordance with Soviet laws, it must return them to Russia. In this case, residents of these territories automatically receive Russian citizenship.

Kazakhstan goes exactly in the third category - this is a state that received land from the republics of the Soviet Union on a lease basis, that is, the return of this land in case of secession from the Soviet Union. So it is written in the law of the Soviet Union

- the politician believes.

Thus, the legislative body of Russia once again coveted the lands of Kazakhstan. Earlier, Vyacheslav Nikonov, chairman of the RF State Duma Committee on Education and Science, raised the issue that "the territory of Kazakhstan is a great gift from Russia." Before the Soviet Union, there was no Kazakhstan, and it received its lands only during the Soviet era. In response, the Charge d'Affaires of the Russian Federation in Kazakhstan, Alexander Komarov, received a note with the position of the Foreign Ministry of Kazakhstan, which indicates the inadmissibility of such provocative attacks that cause significant damage to bilateral relations.

Later Nikonov noted that he had in mind the observance of the country's interests only when determining the borders of the Kazakh SSR.
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  1. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 December 2020 09: 18
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    that is, the return of this land in the event of secession from the Soviet Union. So it is written in the law of the Soviet Union

    Fedorov amused with his stupidity. Kazakhstan must return the territories to the countries REMAINING in the Union ...
    Nikonov quickly realized that he had blurted out stupidity - not stupid - and disavowed his statements.
    1. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 21 December 2020 14: 08
      +8
      did not blur out, Russia is the successor of the USSR
  2. Just a cat Online Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 09: 32
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    And the population of these territories was leased by Kazakhstan mainly from Ukraine. This NODovets, with his bearish services, first let the LPR digest.
  3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 09: 56
    +13
    Well, it’s not the State Duma that coveted the lands of Kazakhstan, it’s the ruined republics of the former USSR who stole the lands from the Russian Federation, and the Russians who lived in them had their property, health, or even killed just because they were Russians.
    1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 09: 58
      -16%
      These "Russians" look quite organic in their Kruzaks with Kazakhstani license plates and they are in no hurry to obtain Russian citizenship ...
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 10: 00
        +14
        I have two families living here, Russian refugees from Alma-Ata, you risk telling them about Kruzaks. They remember your (hospitality) and are always ready to return it to you with interest
        1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 10: 19
          -12%
          I have a wife from "refugees" from Uzbekistan, and their friends and colleagues unfortunately now own an elevator in Azov. so leave your stories for kitchen use.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 10: 51
            +11
            And you are yours at all. What you have done with the Russians in your countries, you will understand only when the Russian Federation does the same with you.
            1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 11: 07
              -13%
              You should write to your friends, Armenians and Ukrainians, not to me, a native of Russia laughing
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 11: 31
                +9
                Here you are defending Kazakh fascism. There are many of you such natives here. My friends were also born in Alma-Ata, this did not prevent you from expelling them to the Russian Federation, having previously robbed them. So for such natives as you, it's time to go to their historical homeland, to the soviet non-state, sick of Russophobia. Sooner or later, you will have to pay FOR EVERYTHING negative
                1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 11: 49
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                  I was born and live in Russia. And I've seen enough of your refugees from Kazakhstan with Ukrainian surnames. And by the names of settlements in northern Kazakhstan, such as Dneprovka, Khersonovka and others, you can study the geography of Ukraine. Russia owes nothing to anyone. There were programs for migrants, only those who wanted to use it were not found. Don't want to go to the shed from three rubles in Alma-Ata? Sorry, than rich, there are enough of their problems. Do you want an apartment in Moscow and a good pension? Kukish and no butter for you. Some American manages to produce cheese in the Altai wilderness and not whine ... "Do not ask what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 12: 00
                    +7
                    And I have seen enough of people like you, they live in the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation with its indigenous population, they hate, tear their ass for foreign countries. You need to be deprived of the citizenship of the Russian Federation and deported to countries that are dearer to you, for which you vomit your ass. So you leave the Russian Federation from your three rubles, even to a shed, even to a hut ... than rich, the Russian Federation owes you nothing but a tailwind in the back. And until your countries apologize for the crimes you committed against the Russian people and pay compensation to the Russians who have suffered from your fascism, there is nothing to talk with you about and you have no rights in the Russian Federation! negative
                    1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
                      Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 12: 11
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                      Roll up your lips laughing Sit in your sunny Kazakhstan, where you happily went for a position and a good salary. And I have to move out of the house, which I built myself, into the chicken coop, because someone with yesterday's fraternal peoples did not share the fat and the position? The population of Russia, having gone through all the crises together with their country, must give way to any kind of collapse? And who is the Russophobe if not you? You can screech in impotent anger about your Russianness.
              2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                steelmaker 21 December 2020 13: 27
                +4
                Humpbacked with EBN are also natives of Russia and Vlasov too. There have always been enough traitors in Russia !!
                1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 14: 01
                  -1
                  Where are they to all the Khrushchevs and Brezhnevs who have turned Russia into a barnyard, where all sorts of "brothers" grubbed ... and then a bummer ... Russia is developing, and the "brothers" Slavs will soon eat insoles.
              3. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
                goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 December 2020 19: 31
                0
                you just . You were not kicked out of Kazakhstan. Russian - Ust-Kamenogorsk.
                1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 23 December 2020 07: 48
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                  After 30 years, who is left to expel? Are they expecting special conditions from Russia? Wait, wait ... only less fastidious Tajiks will come to Russia and take the place of these waiters. I will not go to Kazakhstan to be expelled later. I don't like the cut of their eyes.
        2. Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
          Toha from KZ (Anton) 22 December 2020 08: 51
          -1
          What do refugees from Alma-Ata mean? A refugee when they run like from Donbas, but here they left Atushechka, like me
      2. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
        molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 21 December 2020 14: 09
        0
        these are not "Russians", they are "new Russians".
  4. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 21 December 2020 10: 19
    -10%
    I wonder if there are characters in the American Senate who talk about the need to return the lands of Canada or Mexico to the United States?

    Or, say, in the British Parliament, are there any calls for a return to the Crown of India and other former colonies?
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 21 December 2020 10: 32
      +8
      Return the US lands to Canada or Mexico?
      - The US itself seized the land of Mexico by military means, if you do not know.
    2. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 21 December 2020 14: 11
      -1
      The lands of Canada and Mexico were not part of the United States, then there was also no United States. And even now the United States is out of 49? states, if I'm not mistaken
      1. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 21 December 2020 19: 36
        0
        Fifty.

        The lands of Canada and Mexico were not part of the United States, then there was also no United States.

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Техас
        According to history - two (2).
  5. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 21 December 2020 10: 53
    +7
    Enough has been said about the deputy's closeness, apparently there is no point in adding something.
    I would like to hear the opinion of our distinguished representative of the steel industry on this issue. He often criticizes the post-Soviet leadership for squandering land (Damansky) and waters (Norway). I would like to hear how these lands ended up in Kazakhstan and, by the way, not only of it. Well, to get an assessment of the figures who carried out these "land transformations".
  6. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 11: 31
    -8
    It is striking, the constant desire of some, to grab someone else's land. At least a scrap.
    Despite the fact that yours - eat booty.
    True, they did not master their half, and the second, they dirtied.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 12: 05
      +10
      All your land is within the boundaries in which your countries were part of the Russian Empire, in all other lands you are invaders! So for example ALL your Ukraine on the map of 1654, within the borders of which you pinned to Russia and nothing more! And there is neither Crimea, nor Donbass, nor Kharkov, nor Odessa!
      1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 12: 41
        -7
        But what about Kievan Rus? Russian principality Galicia, Transcarpathian Rus? laughing Dividing the ruins along the Dnieper between Russia and Poland into Novorossiya and Little Russia? And they didn’t stick, but they were bought from the Poles for inexpensive laughing Or rather bought in addition to their relatives along the ruin on the other bank of the Dnieper.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 13: 09
          +7
          There is no Kievan Rus since the 13th century. Kiev from the 13th century is a Polish Catholic village with 200 yards. The Metropolitan of Kiev, because of the persecution of Orthodoxy in Catholic Poland in the 13th century, left Kiev for Vladimir, and from there he never returned to Moscow and Kiev. You are the descendants of invaders of all stripes, whom you met with flowers, taking off your pants, and Russia fought with them and defeated them and your Bandera, Mazepov and other sixes.
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        2. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 13: 10
          -19%
          Kievan Rus is a Ukrainian state. In those days, Russia even smelled ...
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          2. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
            molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 21 December 2020 14: 14
            +5
            Ukraine, what smelled like?
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            2. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 14: 54
              -10%
              1) "Ukraine" in Russian is written with a capital letter.
              2) And what exactly "Russian" did you see on the territory of Kievan Rus?
              1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 21 December 2020 16: 58
                +8
                Aha, in the name of the historical period Kievan RUS - nothing Russian, for sure! wink One Ukraine on all papyri laughing laughing laughing
                1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                  Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 17: 09
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                  And these are all your "arguments"? Do you know the words "Etruscan" and "Prussian"? And what do they have to do with Russians?
                  Unlike your visions, Kievan Rus is located in the same place as present-day Ukraine. Has the same capital. And even by the appearance of the rulers of Kievan Rus, one can easily determine their nationality. I repeat my question: what exactly "Russian" did you see in Kievan Rus?
                  1. boriz Offline boriz
                    boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 18: 10
                    +6
                    The lower course of the Neman (Memel) until 1919. on German maps it was called Russ. And the settlement, in the delta of the Russ river, was called Russ. It exists to this day, on the territory of Lithuania, called Rusne. That is, the Prussians are Porussians. There are older maps, where the entire current of Naman - Russ. Lomonosov wrote about this. The History of Russia written by him was destroyed after his death.
                    The Etruscan language, which, as the official science is stupidly considered, cannot be deciphered, back in the 19th century they gave quite obvious decryptions based on Slavic languages:
                    in Poland - Volansky,
                    in Italy - Chianti,
                    in Russia Chertkov and Klassen.
                    In history, there are references to the language that the Romans had before Latin. The peace treaty after the first Punic War was not written in Latin. Subsequently, this language was widely used by the people, and Latin remained the language of official documents for a long time.
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 19: 03
                      -5
                      What does this have to do with the fact that Kievan Rus was a Ukrainian state and nothing Russian was found there in those days?
                  2. boriz Offline boriz
                    boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 18: 26
                    +9
                    Calm down, there is no and there was no Kievan Rus.
                    On the maps there is White Russia, Red, Black and sometimes Blue.
                    There is no Kievan Rus. This is a late invention. Probably a consequence of the fact that the USSR until 1976 - 1982. the rules of the Ukrainian group.
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 19: 05
                      -5
                      Are you willing to bet that:
                      1) The state "Kievan Rus" did not exist in History?
                      2) Were Stalin and Lenin Ukrainians?
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                    2. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 22 December 2020 11: 09
                      +1
                      There is no Kievan Rus. This is a late invention. Probably a consequence of the fact that the USSR until 1976 - 1982. the rules of the Ukrainian group.

                      It's just a scientific term that historians have used to refer to a time period. In the sense that the pot carriers understand it, it sounds rather silly, like Alma-Ata Kazakhstan and Astana Kazakhstan. But for them it is a "skrepa" attributing the origin of the genus of seamen from the "Protoneaderthals" themselves. It's pointless to argue with enthusiasts.
                  3. Dear sofa expert. 21 December 2020 18: 56
                    +4
                    Do you know the words "Etruscan" and "Prussian"?

                    Then name your ancient country: Kiev Etrus, or Prus. Prus! Sounds cool!))
                    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 19: 09
                      -8
                      It was not me and you who gave it the name. And it's not for us to rename it.
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 21 December 2020 20: 11
                        +4
                        It was not me and you who gave it the name. And it's not for us to rename it.

                        Well then, don't be fancy. Russia has always been there. There was no Ukraine there. The outskirts of Russia were, yes.
                      2. Uneven Offline Uneven
                        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 21: 49
                        -10%
                        Kievan Rus is a Ukrainian (not Russian) state. What and where exactly "Russian" could you find in the 9th century?
                      3. Miffer Offline Miffer
                        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 22 December 2020 07: 29
                        0
                        And where and how did you see the ethnonym "Ukrainians", "Ukrainian" in the 9th century?
              2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 26 December 2020 13: 25
                0
                Wow! How I love your opuses, gentlemen "historians 404"! laughing You here and the Etruscans dragged in, who lived 1000 years BC. in the south of the Apennine Peninsula (for their cultural heritage in the Romans they were very grateful), and a tribe of the Prussians who lived in the Baltic lands (the modern territory of the Baltic states, Poles, etc.) with a mention of the "Prussian" in any documents only in period IX -XVIII centuries. But this broad Ukrainian shouldn't bother, right? The owl on the globe should be stretched, period! Kievskaya Prus? Ali Kievskaya Etrus? Hide away? laughing And Carthage was also taken by the Rus (Prussians, Etrusses), right? And the three Punic Wars are also organized by them? And what kind of Rus? Protoukry !!!! Aryans of the Carpathians, rushed to Italy to warm up! laughing
                I remember about 5 years ago here the same "historimen" was driving a blizzard for the composition of 4 Ukrainian fronts entirely of Ukrainians lol I added to his "scientific work" that the Southern Front, for example, was from the southerners, the North Caucasian from the Caucasians (and all very northern)), the Stalingrad from the Stalingrad, the Stepnoy from the steppe, the Karelian from the Karelians, the UPA liberated the territory from the Nazis before the arrival of the Army and other effects of the smoking mixture of the Carpathian mushrooms, rushing along a straight scratch on the polished surface of the brain of the ukypenny jumper. wassat
                Py.Sy. The bottom line? In the evenings, walking along the embankment of my native Russian city - Sevastopol, it is pleasant to realize that I will never see a pot of banderzians here again. And it's nice to remember how they were trolled, raising a toast in cafes to the mention of the Black Sea in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries among the Arabs, Spaniards, French (IV Crusade), Tale of Bygone Years, etc. And only after swallowing the "Intelekhty" asked, but how? Russian sea, Russian! What are the faces of the farmers who were red at the same time; Not one spat back out!
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 17: 46
        +5
        The term "Kievan Rus" is not found in the annals. It is not on old maps either.
        The term "Ukraine" in the then spelling is found, as the name of the area, across the names "Volynia", "Podolia". Often there is an inscription "Okraina" on the territory of the Ryazan and Vorotynsky principalities. Moreover, in the annals the term "Ryazan outskirts appeared earlier than the Ukraine of Podolia and Volynia.
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 19: 16
          -8
          The name "Kievan Rus" is used by science, along with others. But the point is not even the name, but the undoubted fact that at that time, in the same place, there was already a state of Ukrainians. And the term "Russian" (which was the dispute) appeared much later.
          1. Dear sofa expert. 21 December 2020 22: 48
            0
            But the point is not even the name, but the undoubted fact that at that time, in the same place, there was already a state of Ukrainians.

            Yes, yes .. you still tell everyone here how you dug the Black Sea.)
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 07
              -3
              Judging by your attempt to get away from the topic, you have nothing to oppose my theses?
          2. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 22 December 2020 11: 20
            +1
            The name "Kievan Rus" is used by science, along with others. But the point is not even the name, but the undoubted fact that at that time, in the same place, there was already a state of Ukrainians. And the term "Russian" (which was the dispute) appeared much later.

            Here are your like-minded people, though of a slightly different degree of stubbornness, insist that the present Ukraine was called Rus, and the current Russia was Muscovy. winked

            https://life.pravda.com.ua/society/2014/07/10/174784/

            laughing
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 03
              -5
              It's not about the name. Science uses different terms. The question is that already in the 9th century on the territory of present-day Ukraine there was a state that was the forerunner of present-day Ukraine. And the nationality "Russian" OFFICIALLY appeared only in the 20th century and in the same 20th it was abolished.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 22 December 2020 14: 11
                +2
                It's not about the name.

                Then stop lying and admit that there was Russia, and not "Kievan Rus". You can be proud that the capital of our state was on your territory for some time. That's all.

                The question is that already in the 9th century on the territory of present-day Ukraine there was a state that was the forerunner of present-day Ukraine.

                What kind of fright is this? Your "forerunner" as a state in its present form, Polish slaves, for you start from the Polish citizen Stepan and erect monuments to him.

                And the nationality "Russian" OFFICIALLY appeared only in the 20th century and in the same 20th it was abolished.

                A Ukrainian nationality means until the 20th century was? belay We lived in the same country laughing So everything was determined by religion, and for you passports were made with the "nationality" column? Who abolished the Russian nationality? Where did you get this nonsense?
                1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                  Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 14: 49
                  -3
                  1) You haven't heard anything about "Kievan Rus"?
                  2) What kind of "your state" are you talking about?
                  3) "What kind of fright is this?" - Exclusively for historical facts. "With a fright" is your style.
                  4) I repeat, legally Russian and Ukrainian nationalities were consolidated only in 1932. Yeltsin canceled them.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 22 December 2020 14: 58
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                    1) You haven't heard anything about "Kievan Rus"?

                    You will probably be surprised no, I have not heard request There was no such state. The term "Kievan Rus" is an invention of historians like "Vladimir Rus" and so on. Do you all like names like Berlin Germany so much?

                    2) What kind of "your state" are you talking about?

                    About the very place where you and your ancestors lived for centuries until 1991. Is this news to you?

                    3) "What kind of fright is this?" - Exclusively for historical facts. "With a fright" is your style.

                    What other facts?

                    4) I repeat, legally Russian and Ukrainian nationalities were consolidated only in 1932. Yeltsin canceled them.

                    Firstly, if nationalities appeared in 1932, and at the same time, what tumor in the brain allows you to talk about “centuries-old Ukrainians” and there were no Russians and no longer exist.
                    Thirdly, surnames, even such people are usually written with a capital letter.

                    What other nationalities did Yeltsin abolish? What the hell are you talking about?
                  2. Uneven Offline Uneven
                    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 15: 37
                    -2
                    You will probably be surprised no, I have not heard.

                    I am surprised that you, not knowing about the subject, undertake to discuss it and draw some conclusions.

                    About the same place where you and your ancestors lived for centuries until 1991

                    Can you tell the difference between "start" and "end"?

                    What other facts?

                    You have convinced me a long time ago that facts are an empty phrase for you.

                    "centuries-old ukrainstvo" and there were no Russians and no longer exist

                    Where and when did you find such a phrase?

                    Under Yeltsin, the column "nationality" was abolished in the passport, citizen RUSSIAN!
                  3. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 22 December 2020 17: 13
                    +1
                    I am surprised that you, not knowing about the subject, undertake to discuss it and draw some conclusions.

                    Do you want to enlighten? Give the facts, they say, in that year, Prince Vladimir or whoever else, in that document called his state Kievan Rus. What is not? I'll tell you a secret ..... the Byzantines did not call themselves as such, and having learned that they were not Romans, they would be very surprised. In general, we are waiting for "proofs" chronicle in the studio laughing

                    Can you tell the difference between "start" and "end"?

                    I catch the difference between adequate people and svidomites. Let's go without lyrics, just get to the facts.

                    You have convinced me a long time ago that facts are an empty phrase for you.

                    All your pseudoscientific nonsense is an empty phrase. To evaluate a fact, you must first familiarize yourself with it. And so ... fanfare fellow facts to the studio.

                    Where and when did you find such a phrase?

                    This is not your phrase literally. I misunderstood you? What do your outpourings mean, like .. this one:

                    The question is that already in the 9th century on the territory of present-day Ukraine there was a state that was the forerunner of present-day Ukraine. And the nationality "Russian" OFFICIALLY appeared only in the 20th century and in the same 20th it was abolished.

                    Be so kind as to decipher your thought spread along the tree hi

                    Under Yeltsin, the column "nationality" was abolished in the passport, citizen RUSSIAN!

                    Do you prefer to remain illiterate? Not more than an hour ago, I explained to you that in Russian and not only, it is customary to write surnames with a capital letter. Is education in Ukraine so degraded? Well, then I am not very surprised that you call the "abolition of the column in the passport" "the abolition of nationality." Forgive me if it is too rude, given the "proletarian origin", Ukrainian education, you have to forgive a lot. hi
                  4. Uneven Offline Uneven
                    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 23 December 2020 20: 40
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                    1) Regarding the term "Kievan Rus", I chewed everything in detail above. There is no desire to repeat myself. If it didn't come the first time, then these are only your problems.
                    2) "All your pseudoscientific nonsense is an empty phrase. To evaluate a fact, you must first familiarize yourself with it"
                    Alas! I am not able to force you to "familiarize" with the proposed facts.
                    But I am quite excused that you prefer cheap epithets to facts.
                    Here you are also wasting your time.
                    3) Selectivity of vision is an indispensable attribute of Russian conformists: Even the highlighted key words (if they contradict the clamps) do not faint ... >
                  5. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 23 December 2020 22: 23
                    0
                    Regarding the term "Kievan Rus", I chewed everything up in detail above. There is no desire to repeat myself. If it didn't come right the first time, then these are only your problems.

                    That is, you cannot explain when it appeared.

                    Alas! I am not able to force you to "familiarize" with the proposed facts.
                    But I am quite excused that you prefer cheap epithets to facts.

                    It would be suggested ... but you cannot. No. I never got a single fact. request
                    An apology is a basis for justification. As a rule, cultured people apologize to others. Hams "excuse" themselves.

                    Selectivity of vision is an indispensable attribute of Russian conformists: Even the highlighted keywords (if they contradict the clamps) do not faint.

                    Svidomo's typical babble laughing A set of meaningless words looks like a sentence at first glance. What does it mean is not clear request what did you want to say?

                    And the nationality "Russian" OFFICIALLY appeared only in the 20th century and in the same 20th it was abolished.

                    Are you jammed or what? you are so proud of the antiquity of the Ukrainian nationality, but find it difficult to say when it appeared winked But we lived in the same country .... If you think that the Russians appeared in the 20th century, it is rather strange to believe that the Ukrainians are the ancestors of the Neaderthals. Only Ternopil Selyuk can consider that the nationality was canceled sad You amaze with your brain twists. If you think that Yeltsin did this by canceling the nationality column in your passport, then brace yourself, he brought you bad news. Since 2014, nationality does not fit into the Ukrainian birth certificate. By the way, there is also a problem with the passport. winked There are, of course, individuals ...
                    https://life.pravda.com.ua/columns/2017/02/3/222408/

                    So you are an endangered species and soon "the last of the Mohicans" will go after the Neaderthals smile Such is natural selection winked


                  6. Uneven Offline Uneven
                    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 26 December 2020 18: 10
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                    1) On your

                    That is, you cannot explain when it appeared.

                    What for? What will change from this if it ALREADY was at the specified time? Quite exhaustively, I answered this question above: "... already in the 9th century on the territory of present-day Ukraine there was a state that was the forerunner of today's Ukraine ..."
                    Are you interested in the exact date of birth of this state? Or maybe an hour or a minute?
                    I am ready to tell you this in confidence immediately after you share the information that you undoubtedly have at what moment, out of the past 10 years, the first RUSSIAN state was born.

                    2)

                    I never got a single fact

                    Apparently they waited badly. Test your vision and technique. Conscience is not worth mentioning, since you do not use it.

                    3) I have the impression that you are constantly confusing Saturday with Monday. Who are you talking to? And on what topic?

                    4) Many thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich personally should be said for the awakening of Ukrainian nationalism! What he has done in this direction has never been possible for anyone in the entire history of Ukraine!
                  7. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 26 December 2020 19: 44
                    +2
                    To begin with, as far as I understand, the issue of "abolishing nationalities" has disappeared? It pleases, already progress good

                    What for? What will change from this if it ALREADY was at the specified time? Quite exhaustively, I answered this question above: "... already in the 9th century on the territory of present-day Ukraine there was a state that was the forerunner of today's Ukraine ..."

                    And where did you get the idea that the "forerunner" is only Ukrainian? The state was common. Look at the map anyway. Do Russians and Belarusians have no less reason to consider him as such, or do you deny them this right?

                    Are you interested in the exact date of birth of this state? Or maybe an hour or a minute?

                    What are you, of course not. I am interested in the approximate time of the appearance of the term "Kievan Rus", at least a century is enough. Since this is not a self-name and people who lived in that era did not use this term, but it was simply called "Rus".

                    I am ready to tell you this in confidence immediately after you share the information that you undoubtedly have at what moment, out of the past 10 years, the first RUSSIAN state was born.

                    The question is not correct, as far as I imagine, the clock at that time could be sunny or sandy, it is unlikely that at that time someone was operating with minutes. Or do you have other information? smile As for the formation of the Russian state, based on the surviving written sources, this is about 862. As far as I understand, you are interested in literally "RUSSIAN", I have to disappoint. You will not be able to prove your alleged antiquity and primogeniture in this way, for the state "UKRAINIAN" appeared undoubtedly later.

                    Apparently they waited badly. Test your vision and technique. Conscience is not worth mentioning, since you do not use it.

                    Do not press on pity crying let's get the facts. Well, at least one for a start.

                    Many thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich personally should be said for the awakening of Ukrainian nationalism! What he has done in this direction has never been possible for anyone in the entire history of Ukraine!

                    Firstly, you are at least not a literate person because the surname and first name are written with a capital letter.
                    Secondly, you are a boor and not a grateful person. Thank a person and treat him so disrespectfully However, ingratitude is characteristic of these very "nationalists" winked Nobody did more for the establishment of this state and increase the available territory than Lenin and Stalin. Everyone knows how it is customary to honor your benefactors.

                    What he has done in this direction has never been possible for anyone in the entire history of Ukraine!

                    It's only the beginning yes For all 30 years we have not managed a lot of things request What's the story .. from 1991, then.
                  8. Uneven Offline Uneven
                    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 26 December 2020 20: 11
                    -1
                    1) "The question of" abolishing nationalities "has disappeared?
                    What's the point in repeating yourself if you can't argue with it?
                    2) "Look at the map anyway"
                    I looked - Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. What then, what now. If your "maps" are different, then they are clearly not geographical. But maybe shuffling the deck will help you ...
                    3) Minute precision is no longer required - progress!
                    Who, where and what exactly "Russian" was able to discover in 982? By what criteria and criteria was the identification of "Russianness" carried out?
                    4) Judging by the abundance of epithets, you are clearly not indifferent to my personality. To your regret, you cannot wait for reciprocity.
                    As for the practice of using capital letters, I take an example from your like-minded people. And I am still clearly modest in comparison with their outstanding shocking ...
                  9. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 26 December 2020 20: 56
                    +1
                    1) "The question of" abolishing nationalities "has disappeared?
                    What's the point in repeating yourself if you can't argue with it?

                    Challenge what? You still think that the Russian nationality does not exist because it is not indicated in the passport and at the same time the Ukrainian nationality exists and it does not matter that it is not indicated in the passport. Did I understand your position correctly? smile

                    I looked - Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. What then what now... If your "maps" are different, then they are clearly not geographical. But maybe shuffling the deck will help you ...

                    "Then"Was Ukraine also written? Will you show your map or is it a globe?" lol

                    Minute precision is no longer required - progress!

                    Did I require minute precision? belay Quote please, how would it be delicate ... Do not fantasize. sad

                    Who, where and what exactly "Russian" was able to discover in 982? By what criteria and criteria was the identification of "Russianness" carried out?

                    At least the language.

                    As for the practice of using capital letters, I take an example from your like-minded people.

                    Really? belay And who is it? However, this is not an excuse.

                    And I am still clearly modest in comparison with their outstanding shocking ...

                    Are they not showing gratitude either? And to whom, if not a secret? Who is this respected invaluable person? What did he do beautifully?
  • Miffer Offline Miffer
    Miffer (Sam Miffers) 21 December 2020 19: 45
    +3
    There was no such state.
    This was the period of time when Kiev was the capital of the confederation of Russian principalities.
    But Vladimir and Suzdal were also temporary capitals.
    1. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 20: 00
      -9
      Science does not agree with you: there was a state of Ukrainians with the capital Kiev. But there were no "Russian" principalities then. And the term "Russians" itself appeared much later.
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 20: 04
        -7
        History shows that the word form "Russian nationality" in relation to a specific ethnic group did not become common in Russia even by the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

        https://news.rambler.ru/world/37138570/
        1. Miffer Offline Miffer
          Miffer (Sam Miffers) 22 December 2020 07: 31
          -3
          And the nationality "Ukrainian" appeared by the middle of the 20th century.
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 11
            -5
            Legally, both Russians and Ukrainians "appeared" in the first half of the 20th century. But the state of the ancestors of the Ukrainians - Kievan Rus appeared in the 9th century, and the "Russian" state in the 16th.
            1. Miffer Offline Miffer
              Miffer (Sam Miffers) 22 December 2020 15: 29
              -1
              The ancestors of the Ukrainians are Polish slaves. The Polish nobles of the 15th-16th centuries have always called you "bydlom". In peacetime. And in the military - they needed infantry, the lords armed the "Ukrainians" with pitchforks, scythes, clubs, and the gentlemen called your ancestors "Ukrainians".
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 20: 34
        +4
        For me, the science of history has a presumption of guilt.
        The official story lies at every turn. I was told at school that Stalin had poorly prepared the country for war, one rifle for three. At the same time, the journal Tekhnika-Molodyozhi had a heading "Historical Series of TM" which described different types of technology, including military. It was clearly seen there that it was possible to arm the Red Army with Mosin rifles three times, plus 1,5 million SVT automatic rifles were produced, which the Germans loved very much, captured, and a number of technical solutions were applied in the post-war FIN FAL. Everything is a lie, about the fact that there are few tanks and a lot of things. It was just necessary to blame someone's betrayal and stupidity, blamed on Stalin. And then I saw too many lies in the official history.
        Therefore, what the story says about Kievan Rus is nonsense. There was no it, and there is no desire to repeat the nonsense behind the corrupt "historians".
        It is not in the annals, it is not on the maps. So it is not.
        The term "Russians" was. These are people living on the territory of states whose population spoke Russian (old) language. Including, different states with the name ... Rus.
        This language was spoken both in Romania and Moldova, and in many other places.
        Sorry, I can't insert an image. I would show a cartouche from the atlas of Abraham Ortelius, which depicts John Vasilyevich, the Great Emperor of Russia, Duke of Moscow. 1570

        Science does not agree with you: there was a state of Ukrainians with the capital Kiev.

        There was a Kiev principality. So many others.
        I would like a link.
        1. Uneven Offline Uneven
          Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 21: 44
          -7
          I do not agree that "The official history is lying at every turn." and "Everything is a lie".
          Unfortunately, there are a lot of false, opportunistic "documents" that distort the true picture. This is precisely the work of historians - the search for truth based on the maximum number of historical documents from a variety of independent sources, taking into account subjective factors.
          Not a single serious historian disputes the existence of an early Slavic state with its capital in Kiev. And for a number of signs, we can say that the ancestors of the Ukrainians lived in this state. I am not aware of any signs indicating that the ancestors of the Russians lived there.

          Until 1932, the legal status of Russians as a nation (by the way, representatives of other nationalities too) was uncertain - in Russia, even with birth records, nationality did not matter, only the infant's religion was written in church books

          https://news.rambler.ru/world/37138570
          1. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 21: 54
            +4
            Nobody argues with this. The Grand Duke sat in Kiev, and appanage princes in the neighboring principalities. The same as in Tver, Vladimir, Ryazan. There were also the Grand Dukes. And in Moldavia, Wallachia. In Wallachia until the 16th century there is not a single written monument in the Romanesque language, only in Old Russian.
            But talking about the Ukrainian state is not serious. There were no Ukrainians as a people.
            1. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 22: 10
              -6
              The ancestors of the Ukrainians lived in this state. Signs of the presence of the ANCESTORS of Russians at that time, in that place, are not known to me.
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 22: 23
                +1
                Genetic research suggests otherwise. The genetic connections of people in the territories of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are mixed in all time frames. For example, there is no such thing between Russia and Poland.
                In general, it is simply not serious to talk about the isolation of the territory of Ukraine. It was a courtyard. The movement of peoples to the west took place, just through this territory, and the local peoples from there periodically fled to the north, then returned back. As a result, they mixed with both transit peoples and those who lived in the north.
              2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 December 2020 23: 07
                -5
                Quote: boriz
                For example, there is no such thing between Russia and Poland.

                And I read that it is impossible to genetically distinguish the Russians living in the central and southern regions from the Poles (and even more so from the Ukrainians and Belarusians). It is possible to distinguish northern Russians from Russians from other regions.
              3. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) 22 December 2020 00: 21
                +2
                This is if you take only the haplogroup. But the people also have different haplogroups.
                After the haplogroup, there are subclades and deeper changes in the genetic code. And you can determine when these changes happened. And so, some of the people with such changes left for the south. Others are superimposed on these changes, but old mutations can always be traced, they remain. And then they compare the mutations of 2 people living 3 km from each other and find that 000 years ago their ancestors were very close relatives. You can trace the movement of peoples. This data is already parsed by the program, there is a huge, constantly growing database. These studies are becoming more and more effective.
                But it's better to read Klyosov. In general, he is a very interesting person. And the founder of DNA genealogy. It's an awesome tool for understanding history, but damn it, mainstream science hasn't used this tool for decades. After all, hundreds of dissertations will fly into the urn. Respected academics will see that they have been talking nonsense for years. You cannot step over this, only with the change of generations of scientists.
                It became clear that the Scythians are our ancestors, with the haplogroup R1a, but the Uzbeks and Tajiks also have this haplogroup almost like ours, and the Kirghiz have more than the Russians on average in Russia (and, moreover, in Ukraine). They are also descendants of the Scythians, just a large army came to the place and settled. And the women around are only local. As a result, people acquired a partially Mongoloid appearance. In general, a lot of interesting things.
              4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 December 2020 15: 49
                -4
                Quote: boriz
                And you can determine when these changes happened.

                As far as I understand, we are talking about thousands of years, when there were no Russians, not Ukrainians, not Poles.

                Quote: boriz
                They are also descendants of the Scythians, just a large army came to the place and settled.

                How much is a large army? A couple thousand people? In the same place I read that traces of the Tatar invasion are not observed in the genes of Russians.
            2. Uneven Offline Uneven
              Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 16
              -4
              Look more broadly - there are no genetically absolutely "pure" nations in the world.
          2. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 14
            -4
            Absolutely! All the more strange is the attempt to separate the Ukrainians from the Russians in our time.
          3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 December 2020 15: 52
            -3
            Yes, as well as the strange statement that Ukrainians lived in Kievan Rus. There lived the Rus or Rusyns, the common ancestors of the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.
      3. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 22 December 2020 07: 34
        -2
        You can write anyone you want to be the ANCESTORS of the Ukrainians, which you do, however.
        The Khazars were also the ancestors of the Ukrainians.
      4. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 17
        -4
        The more genetic diversity, the healthier the nation.
      5. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 22 December 2020 15: 35
        -1
        The "mental health" of your nation was expressed in the slogan "He who does not jump is a Muscovite" with accompanying massive jumps, as well as in the tendency to put colanders, pots and other kitchen utensils on their heads.
      6. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 22: 31
        -4
        The Russians were the first to "jump". And a bad example is contagious:



        https://youtu.be/ZXph0rbVmcg

        https://youtu.be/9_9LVtIqPIw

        Why and why did the Ukrainians put pots on their heads:

        https://mirovich.media/477162.html?rfrom=maxim_nm
      7. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 23 December 2020 22: 41
        +1
        The Russians were the first to "jump". And a bad example is contagious:

        In your opinion, it somehow makes skakuasov adequate people?
        Here is the entry for 2010.



        In search of the source, you can go very far smile
    2. Uneven Offline Uneven
      Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 22: 33
      -4
      The answer is below:
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 23 December 2020 22: 30
    -1
    Science does not agree with you: there was a state of Ukrainians with the capital Kiev.

    Really? belay And what was it called?

    But there were no "Russian" principalities then.

    So there were princes and there were no principalities? Did I understand you correctly?

    And the term "Russians" itself appeared much later.

    And how did the people of this nationality name themselves before that? By the way, tell me in what language did Taras Shevchenko write? smile
  • goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 December 2020 19: 37
    +1
    present the seal with the Ukrainian inscription!
  • bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 23 December 2020 19: 36
    +2
    That there is not a single coin mentioning Ukraine in those years ... So your fantasies are from the category of a fairy tale about the Ukrainian pharaohs Tutonkhomenko.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 December 2020 12: 01
    -1
    There are good friendly relations between KZ and RF - so why spoil them all the time? The border issue has been settled, the CU removes many of the problems related to the movement of labor and goods. In both countries, the issue of the lack of territories is not raised ...
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 21 December 2020 12: 07
      -8
      I will add to the list: Kazakhstan is switching to the Latin alphabet ... repeat
      1. Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
        Toha from KZ (Anton) 22 December 2020 09: 00
        0
        Tokayev slowed down this transition. This NAS was all striving for the Turks
    2. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 21 December 2020 14: 16
      +6
      the point is not a lack of territories, but the fact that there are already American biological laboratories in the adjacent territories, and in the near future something else will be placed. NATO is already in charge in the Baltic States.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 December 2020 12: 19
    -5
    Kazakhstan, after Belarus, is the most loyal republic to Russia. And nationalism in KZ is the mildest. Yes, he is there, but the country creates / recreates national education, which is impossible without nationalism.
    If the republics begin to look for a reason to make claims, there will be a cloud of those. What for? Is it possible to live peacefully? Does it work together to produce and trade? Communicate in Russian?
    Why spoil it all?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 18: 32
      +4
      Everything was supported by one person. I mean Nazarbayev.
      All elites of states are divided into:
      imperial
      national
      just elite
      comprador elites.
      Nazarbayev was a politician with an imperial mindset. Even national elites will not be left after him. Only at the level of inter-clan relations. Like a tribal system. Stone Age.
      Everything will fall apart very soon.
      Therefore, such stuffing is done so that the ardor is tempered and then no one is surprised.
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 December 2020 12: 52
    +6
    We have a lot of refugees from Kazakhstan working at our factory. In the 90s, they dropped everything and ran away. And Kazakhstan did not answer for the policy of Russian genocide. The Russophobic policy continues today. Therefore, this question should have been raised a long time ago.
    1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 13: 02
      -13%
      And at our plant the director is Ukrainian, the head of production is Ukrainian, the master is Ukrainian, and the Russians are on the shovel. where you need to press a button and put a tick mark with a marker too Ukrainians. let's save the "Russians" and soon they won't even trust you to clean up the shit in your own country.
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 21 December 2020 13: 10
        +6
        And I know that. Am I here on the site against Putin just yelling at the first opportunity? Did you feel scared right away? The time will come and all of you will answer for the 90s and the genocide of the Russians! It was Putin who forgot and forgave everything, but we and I did not! And Putin, supporting Russophobes, is leading the country to civil war.
        1. Just a cat Online Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 13: 51
          -4
          Bad Putin organized programs for the return of Russians from all Kazakhs and (O HORROR) the maternity capital approved ... I am absolutely not afraid))) The addresses are written down, I will get gasoline, I know how to use matches.
          1. Miffer Offline Miffer
            Miffer (Sam Miffers) 21 December 2020 19: 51
            0
            Not only Russians, but everyone (of different nationalities).
      2. Little Muck_2 Offline Little Muck_2
        Little Muck_2 (Little Muck) 21 December 2020 21: 34
        +1
        Or you can name the plant, I'm sure you are a man and your words are true.
  • Uneven Offline Uneven
    Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 13: 17
    -7
    Without the subversive activities of the Russian authorities, Kazakhstan (like other republics) would have remained in a single state.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 13: 38
      +4
      Your Kuchmas and Kravchuks were destroying a single state, and then blamed the Russians for the collapse of the country.
      1. Uneven Offline Uneven
        Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 14: 57
        -5
        Without Yeltsin, no collapse of the USSR would have taken place. The Kravchuks and Shushkevichs did not play any role then ...
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 18: 15
          +3
          And without your patients with Russophobia Natsik and even more so. By the way, the war in Karabakh began in the late 80s of the last century, is Yeltsin also your fault ?! And then how in Lviv and the Baltic States saleswomen Russian (forgot), too, Yeltsin is your fault ?! It is Brezhnev's fault that he did not hang all the Bandera and similar beasts on lamp posts !!!
          1. Uneven Offline Uneven
            Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 19: 21
            -7
            Except for the words of Shurik from "Ivan Vasilyevich ..." I have nothing to say to you: "..you are delusional!"
            Try to focus on one topic. Otherwise, I won't catch up with you!
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 21: 39
              +1
              You are wandering, believing that Donbass, or Crimea with something similar is not part of Russia. ALL your Ukraine on the map of 1654, within the borders of which Ukraine became part of Russia, everything else you have is stolen. Even the territory of Kharkov was part of Russia even when Kiev was Polish.
              1. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 21 December 2020 22: 19
                -6
                1) Most of the countries of the world consider Crimea to be Ukrainian. This is very easy to prove. Any non-biased person understands this. The current authorities of the Russian Federation agree with the belonging of Donbass to Ukraine.
                2) How can you justify this starting point - 1654?
                Why not take, for example, 1612 or 1942?
              2. Uneven Offline Uneven
                Uneven (VADIM STOLBOV) 22 December 2020 12: 21
                -5
                Moscow was once "Polish" (and French too). And practically all of Russia is Mongolian. We surrender to Poland, France and Mongolia?
  • updidi Offline updidi
    updidi (Alexander Kazakov) 21 December 2020 14: 11
    -5
    There was also an agreement during the collapse of the USSR that no one has mutual territorial claims to each other
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 14: 27
      +2
      So this agreement was concluded while there were hopes for the CIS, and after you began to organize pogroms of the Russian population and six Yankees, destroying the raison d'être of the CIS, you no longer have any guarantees. Now we will beat the dishes in full, especially since these processes are not started by the Russian Federation
      1. updidi Offline updidi
        updidi (Alexander Kazakov) 21 December 2020 14: 38
        -2
        Who is this "you"? Do you think I'm Kazakh chtol? laughing
        I'm from Kaliningrad, mom, dad are Russians)
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 21 December 2020 14: 33
    -3
    The comments under this news can be read at least in order to see how the Sapsan manages
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 21 December 2020 14: 47
      +2
      So you are just as bad. We have nothing to lose. Therefore, you are scared! Fear correctly! The time will come when all the traitors will answer. Betrayal has no statute of limitations.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 21 December 2020 15: 07
        -9
        I'm just laughing here :)
    2. Just a cat Online Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2020 14: 59
      -8
      Interesting position laughing One cookie was not given away from the other the gingerbread was taken away. But Putin is still to blame. Don't quarrel girls laughing "Enemy" then you have a common laughing
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 21 December 2020 15: 06
        -6
        I don't know what you mean, but I have no "enemy" :)
    3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 December 2020 16: 53
      -5
      Yes, funny guy. Do you think he looks like a fascist?
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 22 December 2020 00: 14
        -3
        The NOD members do not pull on the fascists, although they are trying to grab this political niche for themselves. Fascists are more serious guys, with all their shortcomings.
  • Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 21 December 2020 14: 55
    -4
    Quote: molotkov60mkpu
    did not blur out, Russia is the successor of the USSR

    He blurted out exactly! Do you understand the concept of successor? In our case, this is the fulfillment of obligations to third countries. Kazakhstan left the USSR four days later than Russia, in fact, it did not even leave, technically it was the only one left there. Without leaving the USSR, he must not fulfill a certain list of debt obligations for countries seceding from the USSR. The borders were established at the time of the termination of the existence of the USSR, the countries left within the existing borders, the controversial issues were settled long ago, the parties recognized the existing borders. Everything else is REVANCHISM, imperialism, chauvinism, etc.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 21 December 2020 18: 17
      +3
      There were no countries in the USSR, there were republics. And the countries were part of the Russian Empire. That's what they came with then, then yours, so they had the right to leave, and everything else you have separated from Russia is stolen.
      1. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 21 December 2020 19: 57
        -4
        And the countries were part of the Russian Empire.

        And which countries were there?
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 21 December 2020 20: 37
          +5
          And find in the net the Great title of the Russian tsars, starting with Ivan the Terrible and read. Everything is written there.
          1. Miffer Offline Miffer
            Miffer (Sam Miffers) 22 December 2020 08: 19
            -5
            These are the geographical names of different territories that were part of Muscovy.
  • Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 22 December 2020 01: 25
    0
    But how did such a stupid and insignificant mediocrity, in principle, manage to become a deputy? Do we have half of the deputies made up of people who have shit instead of brains? Amazing animals crawl into the state feeder.
  • Glenni Offline Glenni
    Glenni (Andrei) 22 December 2020 08: 20
    0
    How will you return it, honestly, brotherly or fairly?
  • Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
    Toha from KZ (Anton) 22 December 2020 08: 46
    +1
    The only republic that is more or less loyal to Russia, but here it adds fuel to the fire. And then Yaroslavna starts crying about nonbratushek
    1. bear040 Offline bear040
      bear040 23 December 2020 19: 49
      +1
      Watch the film, “We'll Live Until Monday.” There, the student is given a two, it is for “more or less”. You cannot be a little pregnant and a little Russophobe and a fascist. Shit on the Russian Federation and the Russians, so have an answer for that. And not only was Russia stolen its lands, but also the Russians who were robbed of factories in Kazakhstan and expelled in the Russian Federation, and now they are surprised that they are not loved. ..You are like in an anecdote about UKROPs, with them - `` And me that for sho ''
      1. Toha from KZ Offline Toha from KZ
        Toha from KZ (Anton) 30 December 2020 08: 40
        0
        More details about shitting can you? Even though I left there
        1. bear040 Offline bear040
          bear040 13 February 2021 10: 17
          +4
          You better talk to the Russian refugees from the countries of the former Council of Deputies, they will tell you how they were pressed on ethnic grounds in detail. I have such friends
  • Azer Hasanli Offline Azer Hasanli
    Azer Hasanli (Azer Hasanli) 22 December 2020 11: 36
    -5
    There was no Russian territory between Kazakhstan and Bashkortostan. In order to alienate these Turkic republics, lands were torn away from Kazakhstan in an impudent way. This Kazakhstan has the right to demand the return of these lands. It is the Golden Horde, represented by Kazakhstan, that Muscovy can demand the fulfillment of its vassal duties.
    And then the Russians will be surprised that there are already Russophobic sentiments in Kazakhstan. How tired of primitive Russian great-power chauvinism. I'm sick of the stupidity of idiots in the Russian parliament.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 December 2020 19: 46
      +2
      Well, come and demand.
  • vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 22 December 2020 22: 51
    -1
    Any ruler cannot, of his own free will, destroy the state, give up, take away part of the territory of the state, without the consent of the citizens of the whole state, i.e. without a referendum of all citizens of the USSR, even if there are laws on it. In any case, the destruction of the USSR, the seizure of part of the state's territory without a referendum, without the consent of all citizens, will always be considered a criminal offense, illegitimate, without a statute of limitations and will be canceled. 17.03.1991/8/1991 an All-Union referendum was held, at which the question of preserving the Soviet Union was raised. The people voted "FOR" the preservation of the USSR, but as a result of the signed on December 8, 3. Belovezhsky agreements, the USSR was liquidated. Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha (Viskuli), because they are criminals, they were afraid of arrest, from Viskuli to the Polish border 1990 km away, you can quickly escape to Poland. Kazakhstan did not fulfill the obligations prescribed in the "Law of the USSR dated April 1410, XNUMX No. XNUMX-I" On the procedure for resolving issues related to the secession of the union republic from the USSR "(read to the end). The territory of Kazakhstan is seized by separatists, with the open support of NATO. , officially, the legal heir of the USSR. Russia (USSR) did not transfer, sell or donate its territories, as well as its foreign assets, to any of the Union republics of the USSR. The Russian Federation can use the Army to legally return the territory of Kazakhstan. Only the will of the Kremlin is needed.
  • aliev58 Offline aliev58
    aliev58 (Airat Aliev) 23 December 2020 14: 29
    +2
    Kazakhstan is just like Ukraine, an invented country, and all the lands naturally belong to Russia as the legal successor of the USSR! There should not be any reservations! And let the Kazakhs prove that before 1917 they had a state and borders? And they just do not have them! So either back to the future, or to Russia, like the Astana region!