"There will be no forgiveness for the Russians." The Japanese reacted to the US Kuril initiative


Comments by Japanese users on news.yahoo.co.jp, who responded to a short note about the tough reaction of the Russian Foreign Ministry. The day before, Moscow responded to the American initiative to grant the right to participate in the Green Card lottery to residents of the South Kuril Islands only as applicants from Japan.


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One more vote on the scales of those who believe that this is the only correct interpretation of international law. As expected of our allied America. It's nice to think that the thief in the fire never got the right to claim territory

- ite expresses his opinion.

Japan insists that the Kuril Islands, which were ceded under the San Francisco Peace Treaty, do not include these areas. Chinese President Mao Zedong also told Khrushchev that the northern territories belong to Japan. Zhou Enlai too. This time, it became clear that the United States also takes this point of view.

- writes ito.

This is proof that one of the victorious countries recognized the four northern islands as Japanese territory. Given Russia's hasty response, this US statement weakens its position [...]

- suggests ブ ル.

The final conclusion of World War II was the San Francisco Peace Treaty between the Allies and Japan. Russia, which calls itself one of the allies, must respect the decision of the San Francisco Peace Treaty

- pointed out by user も ふ も ふ.

It is encouraging that our ally spoke. And Japan itself, which is a party to this issue, is delaying something. We must stop all joint projects [with the Russian Federation] and restrict the flow of goods and investments to it

- expressed a wish to pra.

"The results of World War II are being revised ..." I do not want to hear this from a country that unilaterally tore up the Soviet-Japanese non-aggression pact and declared war on us

- answered ror.

There will be no forgiveness for the Russians for invading Japanese territory, capturing the Japanese, forcing them to work in inhuman conditions

- int was checked.

The US position is encouraging, but the work of the Japanese government is not visible here at all. We have no complaints about the Russians currently living in the northern territories, but I would like it to be recognized that they invaded, violating the Soviet-Japanese non-aggression pact

- writes nek.

For the United States, which returned Okinawa to us, it is natural that Russia should do the same with the northern territories. And if someone [on the islands] applies for a Green Card, then he must follow the American policy.
However, the United States is also interested in the fact that negotiations on the return of the northern territories are never successful.

- noted the user ove.

[…] Some countries, much smaller than Japan, are defending themselves without relying on allies. I believe that we are able to stand up for ourselves. The rest is just emotion

- writes yot.
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  1. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
    Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 8 December 2020 12: 13
    +9
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is internal to Japan and Russia. There is an economic zone in Russia in which the Yapas, by agreement, can fish that migrates, but it is forbidden to catch "local" marine resources such as shrimp and crabs. It seems that crabs have a difficult ecological situation and they need to be rescued. Yapi violate fishing rules all the time. Therefore, they must be driven to the maximum from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk where our economic zone is. All permissions revoke for multiple violations.
    Let's save the crab and shrimp.
    1. Aleks Min Offline Aleks Min
      Aleks Min (Aleks Min) 17 December 2020 17: 01
      +1
      And with what fright is the Sea of ​​Okhotsk "internal" for Japan !? drive these yap ... to the Japanese islands .. let them catch il in the okiyan near the coast ... an ally to help them
  2. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 8 December 2020 12: 16
    +4
    The corporate identity of the Americans is sowing hostility, throwing a match into a barrel of gasoline, starting a fire. They love to organize wars with someone else's hands, they themselves are afraid. And if a confrontation happens, they will not meddle themselves, they will lead from afar. They gave a little something to the Japanese (only four islands), with their generosity, Sakhalin and Kamchatka were needed in addition. lol
  3. duchy Offline duchy
    duchy (Salih) 8 December 2020 12: 29
    +4
    Hello!! The enemy must be beaten with his own weapon. Offer residents
    Alaska Russian passports, only as from Russian citizens. Let them turn. laughing laughing
    1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
      ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 04: 09
      -10%
      The inhabitants of Königsberg - German ...
      1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 9 December 2020 11: 51
        +4
        Don't forget the Germans about Danzig with the former East Prussia, poor fellow, and write off Lviv to pshekam, then sanatoriums, haloperidol and bainki ... In general, your usual daily routine good
        1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
          ODRAP (Alexey) 10 December 2020 14: 21
          -4
          And Karelia - to the Karelians!
      2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 12 January 2021 18: 03
        +1
        Only in Kaliningrad do not say it loudly. Beat.
        PS And they will do the right thing!
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  4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 8 December 2020 13: 19
    +4
    For the Japanese: - You didn't need to sponsor the Russian revolution for the Bolsheviks to come to power. The king would not violate the non-aggression pact. It's your own fault! And the Americans urged the Communists to attack you. Ask them!
    For the Americans: - The USSR got involved in the war with Japan for you, provided that half of Sakhalin and these 4 islands go to the USSR. You agreed to this. And now you pretend you didn't ask and don't keep your word. In general, not gentlemen.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 December 2020 14: 33
      +3
      The king would not violate the non-aggression pact.

      And who violated it?

      Article 3

      This pact comes into force on the day of its ratification by both contracting parties and remains in force for five years. If none of the contracting parties does not denounce the pact one year before the deadline, it will be considered automatically renewed for the next five years

      On April 5, 1945, the USSR People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Vyacheslav Molotov, received the Japanese Ambassador to the USSR, Naotake Sato, and made him a statement about the denunciation of the pact of neutrality between the USSR and Japan.

      Denunciation, denunciation (from the French denoncer "terminate") - a duly formalized refusal of the state from the international treaty concluded by it.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Денонсация

      This is where the legal casuistry begins. From the point of view of the USSR, the Pact was denounced on April 26, 1945. Japan believes that the treaty was in effect until April 26, 1946. Strictly speaking, this Pact lost its legal force on April 26, 1945.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 8 December 2020 15: 01
        +2
        Moreover, the bribes are smooth, and the Americans are to blame - they insisted on the entry of the USSR into the war against Japan, promising to recognize the Kuril Islands as Soviet!
    2. Motorhead Offline Motorhead
      Motorhead (Alex) 8 December 2020 22: 07
      +1
      Which gooks are gentlemen.
    3. fork posix Offline fork posix
      fork posix (fork posix) 9 December 2020 09: 22
      +2
      To take the Saxons at their word is not to respect yourself. Snake breed.
  5. framework Offline framework
    framework 8 December 2020 14: 30
    +8
    strange understanding of the word "ally" among the Japs. The USSR should have also dropped a couple of nuclear bombs on them, now they would be friends ..
  6. paramonpafnutjev (Paramon Pafnutyev) 8 December 2020 16: 22
    +3
    Chinese President Mao Zedong also told Khrushchev that the northern territories belong to Japan. Zhou Enlai too. This time, it became clear that the United States also takes this point of view.

    - Yes, in general, do not care. and China, and the United States, and Japan.
    let them say thanks that Hokkaido was not taken. ... but still replayable;)

    Given Russia's hasty reaction, this statement from the US weakens its position.

    - how? like smart people, not Poles, but they are fencing nonsense ...

    We must stop all joint projects [with the Russian Federation] and restrict the flow of goods and investments to it

    * yawns *
    God help you! go for it.

    The results of the Second World War are being revised ...

    I do not want to hear this from a country that unilaterally tore up the Soviet-Japanese non-aggression pact and declared war on us

    - in 1905 you also attacked without declaring war. or thought we forgot? we have all the moves recorded.

    There will be no forgiveness for the Russians for invading Japanese territory, capturing the Japanese, forcing them to work in inhuman conditions

    - you worked on a par with the Russians, ate like the Russians, the Russians shared the latter with you (even the guards). But what did you do with the Chinese .... remind me how you tested the sharpness of your katanas on the necks of prisoners? or how, laughing with bayonets, they opened the bellies of living pregnant women? The next war between us will be your last.

    The US position is encouraging, but the work of the Japanese government is not visible here at all. We have no complaints about the Russians currently living in the northern territories, but I would like it to be recognized that they invaded, violating the Soviet-Japanese non-aggression pact

    - hmm ... it was the United States that made Stalin promise to attack Japan, after the victory over Germany, at the Yalta Conference (or in Tehran? forgotten ...) in exchange for opening a second front.
    hence two conclusions:
    1) you were friends with the wrong (Germany).
    2) not with that you are friends now (USA).

    And if someone [on the islands] applies for a Green Card, then he must follow American policy.

    - only these have never been.

    However, the United States is also interested in the fact that negotiations on the return of the northern territories are never successful.

    - and here you are right.
    1. kerinofficial Offline kerinofficial
      kerinofficial (Artem Kerin) 9 December 2020 04: 17
      +4
      The very case when comments are more interesting than the article itself.))
  7. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 04: 12
    -9
    With the current demography of the Russian Federation, soon there will simply be no one there. Will die out like the villages near Moscow.
    1. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
      DeGreen 9 December 2020 07: 48
      0
      You worry about your Ukraine
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 23: 09
        -3
        Why worry about her? She has no Kuriles, they will not become depopulated ... :)))
    2. Alexey Kurilov_2 (alexey kurilov) 9 December 2020 12: 06
      +1
      we will populate
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 14 December 2020 14: 13
        -2
        Are you picking up the hat?
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    3. andrew42 Offline andrew42
      andrew42 (Andrei) 9 December 2020 16: 05
      +2
      A very correct observation. On average, minus 350 thousand per year. Obviously, Russia, as a country, has been waging a difficult war and suffering losses for 30 years. Moreover, the main enemy is actually the Russian oligarchic Caudle with a supervisor and a guarantor.
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 9 December 2020 23: 11
        -2
        Another would be wrong, they immediately threw minuses!
        Looks like it hooks, really ...
        1. andrew42 Offline andrew42
          andrew42 (Andrei) 19 December 2020 15: 08
          +1
          It's hard to see from the windows of the offices But the truth is she is so annoying, the caviar is unevenly placed on the sandwich.
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    4. Nicholas Edelweiss (Alexander Sergeevich Fitz) 11 December 2020 06: 25
      +3
      Now is not the 90s and the population is gradually returning to their villages and opening new industries. And the population of the Kuril Islands began to increase. This is due to specialists, fishermen. + Do not forget that the military are also starting to go there to live =) But do not forget about Ukraine that there are no Kurils, but what about the Kurils, that without it, it is already dying out in the steppes and plains in percentage and quantitative terms. And given the small population in comparison with Russia, who should be ringing the bells about extinction, then certainly not Russia, which at least slightly increases the indigenous population, and Ukraine where the indigenous population either dies or falls. =)
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 14 December 2020 14: 14
        -2
        This is at the expense of those wishing to apply for a Green Card ....
      2. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 17 December 2020 22: 45
        -1
        It's not about Ukraine.
        Remind me, pzhlst, by how many people did the population of the Kuril Islands increase? Five years, so that no errors.
        It is possible, with the military, civilians, fishermen and robinsons washed ashore.
        The population density is not necessary, I myself think.
        But, about the industries opened in the villages, it is very interesting!
  8. gore Offline gore
    gore (Alexander) 9 December 2020 04: 24
    0
    On the border of the cloud go grim,
    The Kuril land is enveloped in silence.
    And with Hokkaido (also very gloomy),
    The yellow ones look at Kunashir ...
  9. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 9 December 2020 05: 23
    0
    The Yakuza say: Never demand what you cannot take yourself.
  10. DeGreen Offline DeGreen
    DeGreen 9 December 2020 07: 47
    -1
    Narrow film so stupid
    1. sludge Offline sludge
      sludge (Rianna Kem) 9 December 2020 07: 51
      -1
      Yes, it's better to keep watching cartoons and make cars
  11. Alexey Kurilov_2 (alexey kurilov) 9 December 2020 12: 04
    +3
    Americans became best friends to the Japanese after a nuclear strike on their cities And then the samurai immediately fell in love with the Yankees
  12. Denis Malygin Offline Denis Malygin
    Denis Malygin (Denis Malygin) 9 December 2020 13: 33
    +2
    I don't understand, is it easier for the Japanese to get a Green Card? So what's the problem then? The United States has opened a loophole and now many in Russia will want to live on the Kuril Islands. Although a self-respecting state would not even be "steamed" with some kind of Google maps.
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  15. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 11 December 2020 22: 39
    +5
    It's time for Russia to impose sanctions on Japan and you can start with its auto industry. The Far East will have enough Korean and Chinese cars, since delivery from Togliatti is not very profitable.
  16. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 17 December 2020 12: 11
    +5
    1) It is time for the Russian Federation to introduce tough sanctions against Japan and the United States, with a ban on the activities of their companies in the Russian Federation, such as their auto industry, aviation industry, McDonald's, HolidayIn.

    2) As for forgiveness, Russia has not forgiven you neither for the attack on Port Arthur, the Chinese Eastern Railway and Kamchatka, nor for Khasan, nor for KhalKhinGol, nor for the Soviet transport ships sunk in the period from 1941-45 by the Japanese beast, nor for the regular armed provocations at the border, with the death of Soviet border guards.

    3) Want a new war, a little Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?! Get a new one, since Fukushima is not enough for you!
  17. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 18 December 2020 16: 02
    0
    1905.
    Wondering what the Japanese would say: "Can we repeat it"?
  18. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
    Rashid116 (Rashid) 3 January 2021 10: 59
    0
    War crosses out all treaties. You have been defeated, and let's proceed from the current situation.

    (c) Yutaro Komura - head of the Japanese delegation to the Russian-Japanese negotiations on the conclusion of the 1905 Portsmouth Peace Treaty.

    And what about us?))) Ukrainians bit them too?)))
  19. oh, how scary!