Will Ukraine accept the Kremlin's “invitation” to the war over Donbass?


In the previous article I gave the example of Ukraine as an ideal springboard for the invasion of the Russian Federation by the forces of the anti-Putin (read anti-Russian) coalition. An ideal foothold, capable of leveling all the logistical and escalation difficulties that NATO currently has in conducting hostilities in a theater of operations remote for itself. And one cannot say that the Kremlin does not understand this.


It is not necessary to hope that non-brothers will not have enough spirit for such an act of self-destruction. Enough! With no head on their shoulders, this is the only thing they have in abundance. And if it’s not enough, the new owner of the Oval Office came across the ocean, very perfumed, he, if anything, would add motivation to the natives, ambition, despite his age, he has enough. We also do not forget about the mad grandmother Clinton dangling in his wagon train, the old woman simply pees with turpentine, seeing herself at the head of tank columns heading for Moscow.

How the Kremlin is going to get out of this stalemate, I don't know, it looks like they are going to knock out like a wedge. At least, there is no other way I can assess Putin's statement, which he gave to the special correspondent of Russia 24, the other day.

Putin directly invites Ukraine to invade Donbass and says - we will not intervene, there are no legal grounds, citing the example of the NKR. I quote verbatim:

Armenia did not recognize the independence and sovereignty of Nagorno-Karabakh. From the point of view of international law, this meant that Nagorno-Karabakh and all adjacent regions were and are an integral part of the Republic of Azerbaijan, which it had every legal reason to return ... After all, no one encroached on the territory of the Armenian Republic, and this gave us no right to accept direct participation in hostilities [on the side of Armenia].

What follows from this? Let's speculate. Has Russia recognized the independence of the LPNR over the past 7 years? No! Maybe someone else recognized, for example, the UN Security Council? Also no! What does this mean in terms of international law? That Ukraine has every legal basis to return these territories to itself in any way convenient for it. Looking at the recent example of Azerbaijan, only one conclusion can be drawn - the military way of solving problems is quite acceptable, and most importantly, effective. Maybe someone in the international community has come out with a condemnation of such methods? I did not hear. There was talk only about the inadmissibility of civilian casualties. But it did not die there, only the military died, and who will sort them there? Russia did not intervene because there was no reason. So Putin said.

And what grounds will Russia have to interfere if tomorrow Ukraine decides to return Donbass in exactly the same way? None! After all, the Russian Federation has not even recognized it for these 7 years. The fact that newly minted citizens of the Russian Federation live there is not yet a reason to send troops. You never know where the citizens of the Russian Federation live. Let's bring troops to the Baltics. There are also Russian citizens there. In Abkhazia and South Ossetia, at least, there were our peacekeepers, and what kind of peacekeepers in Donbass? That's right, no. Exclusively terrorists from the point of view of Ukraine.

So Ukraine - welcome, you are welcome, return Donbass by military means, all the same, negotiations with the Russian Federation do not end with anything. How long can the Minsk group be bullied? On the NKR, the Minsk Group also met, for 28 years. So what? Until Aliyev returned it to himself with fire and sword, nothing changed. The main thing is to choose the right moment for this and acquire a good ally. There is no shortage of allies. And the nearest convenient moment will arise already in 2024, closer to March 17. Russia will definitely not have time for Donbass then.

One problem is that in Ukraine there is absolutely no social request for the return of Donetsk and Lugansk; rather, they would like to return Crimea, but they really understand the doom of this venture. A paradoxical situation has developed when the Russian Federation is more interested in the return of Donbass (as a kind of Trojan horse) than Ukraine would like to return it. She now only lacks the problems of Donbass, she would have to deal with the existing problems. And she also doesn't know what to do with the population living there. Drive them to filtration camps, deprive them of the right to vote, and disqualify their rights for 10 years or more? So many problems arise at once. Why does she need them? She does not even need a deserted territory. She also requires money for maintenance, but they have no money for their own maintenance, they are tortured to beg for alms from the IMF. They have been standing on the porch for the seventh year. And do not forget the most important reason - so many people really profit from this war, so many problems can be attributed to it. Putin is to blame for everything! We have a war here! Russia is the aggressor! And then again - and Donbass returned. What are these bawlers to do? The last meaning of their existence will disappear from them. The war party is not geared towards solving peaceful problems. Do you want to leave all these people out of work?

And then suddenly Putin appears, all in white, and says - Azerbaijan had all legal grounds to solve its territorial problems by military means, he fought on its territory, and the Russian Federation had no legal grounds to intervene in this conflict, because Armenia itself did not recognize problem region for their own. If in Kiev they know how to read lips, then the parallels suggest themselves. Donbass is the territory of Ukraine, it has every legal basis to return it to itself by military means, Russia will not interfere, because there is no legal basis. Now, if / when the Russian Federation recognizes it and introduces its troops there officially (at least as peacekeepers), then this window of opportunity for Ukraine will close. Now the ball is on the side of Ukraine. Will she fall for the Kremlin's bait, will she accept the invitation to war?

Why is the plan bad for solving all the latest problems of the Russian Federation? Solve all issues at once with one blow. And with the re-election of the GDP for a new term - after all, horses do not change at the crossing. And with the disposal of country 404 and the elimination of this abscess by surgery, the demolition of the anti-Russian fascist regime established there through the efforts of our overseas "friends and partners" and the complete nullification of the project. What will appear there as a result will be dictated by the Russian Federation as a winner. After all, Putin promised the loss of statehood in the event of an invasion of Donbass? Putin does not throw words to the wind. But Ukraine is still fighting only in the information space.

PS Meanwhile, on Wednesday, November 25, Chinese leader Xi Jinping met with the military leaders. On it, for the second time already (the first was in October), he urged his troops not to be afraid of death and hardship and focus on preparing for victory in the war. With whom he was going to fight, we know. If / when such a mess begins, then our servant of the three masters may have a desire to solve her territorial problems under the guise of a war of geopolitical monsters. I think the States will not strongly object to tying the hands of the Russian Federation in this way in order to diffuse its resources if it takes the side of China.
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  1. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 1 December 2020 07: 53
    +9
    What a pity that all people who know how to run the state already work as hairdressers or taxi drivers.

    Francois Mitterand
    1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
      Gennady1959 (Gennady) 1 December 2020 12: 05
      -9
      And those who work as presidents brought Russia to isolation, lost all allies, brought the people to impoverishment, together with a gang of close oligarchs plundered the country. Nice guys. With such "friends" you don't need enemies ..
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 1 December 2020 14: 47
        +4
        And those who work as presidents brought Russia to isolation, lost all allies, brought the people to impoverishment, together with a gang of close oligarchs plundered the country. Nice guys. With such "friends" you don't need enemies ..

        Please read the list of lost allies smile Well, for comparison, what allies you acquired winked
        1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
          Gennady1959 (Gennady) 1 December 2020 20: 20
          -3
          The answer is for those especially "gifted with intellect" Almost all the former republics of the USSR are either hostile to Russia or along the way. Few?
          Friend Erdogan, he received a nuclear power plant, Turkish Stream for free and shits Russia wherever there is a possibility ..
          My allies, considering that I am not a president, Volodya K., Sergey N, Sergey I., Oleg R. are worthy people. At the weekend we will fry a kebab with them, drink a bottle of brandy (or maybe two), heat the bathhouse,.
          As you get older, it's harder and harder to find friends. Therefore, they must be protected and they must not be betrayed.
    2. neri73-r Offline neri73-r
      neri73-r 1 December 2020 12: 36
      +10
      Author, remind me what percentage of residents of N. Karabakh have Russian citizenship? And for one look at this percentage in the LDNR! As our "partners" say, this is different! Agree, protecting the citizens of Armenia and stateless persons on the territory of Azerbaijan and protecting the citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine is not the same thing!
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Wolf) 1 December 2020 14: 09
        -3
        remind me, please, when did Russia last protect its citizens?
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 20: 57
          +5
          laughing hmm ... And not so long ago - Crimea!
          1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Wolf) 1 December 2020 23: 22
            -5
            for Crimea there will be the following text, more precisely, for Crimea too
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 3 December 2020 18: 38
              +3
              But this does not change the result! Crimea is protected!
              1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
                ODRAP (Alexey) 5 December 2020 02: 25
                -5
                Joe, he's Elusive too.
        2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 21: 56
          +5
          And one more thing, dear Wolf! You covered the whole situation a little one-sidedly. Let's start with the past carnage. NK was captured by the sword by Armenia at the time of the collapse of the USSR. And it doesn't matter that in the FURTHER history - this territory belonged to Armenia. If we proceed from this, then Armenia itself in the recent past was the territory of the Russian Empire. And what - we need to take ALL with the SWORD? Anyone who was part of the Empire or the Soviet Union ???
          Isn't it too much? And why do we need THESE TERRITORIES? All residents inhabiting them DO NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS CITIZENS OF RUSSIA !!! If this were not so, then they would not have separated ... After all, the elite of these territories, only, realized the cries and wishes of the majority of the population, which WAS INGOT - ENOUGH TO FEED MOSCOW! Here is the MOST of those wishing to get what they fought for!
          Now about the Donbass. I have this view ON THE WHOLE situation: Russia is surrounded by countries-former republics, in which the situation inside is slowly but surely destabilized. For what? And in order for ALL THIS POPULATION to pour into the Russian Federation and already there the orgy of chaos and unrest has begun! That is why the Russian Federation is in no hurry to annex the same Ossetia-Yu, Abkhazia, Donbass ... we will not talk about the TMR (we'll talk about that later). One has only to start attaching - in the nearby territories (to whom all these Nepriz. Rep. Belonged earlier), unrest and unrest will begin ("Why are we worse? We also want to be like in Russia (and it doesn't matter that we have enough of our own problems .. . our problems, in comparison with theirs - a trifle!) and to Russia! "). And these peoples (considering that the situation there will continue to deteriorate), embittered, will rush to us ...
          In general, even so, even so, the Great Migration will begin! But it is important for us - THE LATER IS THE BETTER !!! Therefore, our leadership "pulls the rubber"! (although as for me it is POSSIBLE TO HIT! and on "ukram" and on the Turks ... and Moldovans can be hit ... And say to this west - "YOU WANTED AGGRESSION - GET !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! But at the same time, our rear must be reliable and cleaned to white bones from any dishonesty ... And here ... negative )
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  3. Tamara Smirnova Offline Tamara Smirnova
    Tamara Smirnova (Tamara Smirnova) 1 December 2020 09: 13
    +4
    re-election of the GDP for a new term

    It definitely doesn't work. Putin can be re-elected for a new term, all laws have been passed. So there is no need to start a war for this. In a tiny article, Putin is mentioned 8 times. The afftor has a pronounced dislike for Putin.
    1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
      Gennady1959 (Gennady) 1 December 2020 12: 08
      -8
      Why love him? A traitor as an officer of the KGB of the USSR (before the fight he deserted to the enemies of the USSR), a traitor as a communist (he was not a communist, so as long as a party member is given stars, apartments, special rations, special sanatoriums, dusty work in the GDR), a patron and a roof of thieves oligarchs - defender of the results of privatization, a liar (pensions, constitution, re-election).
      1. Tamara Smirnova Offline Tamara Smirnova
        Tamara Smirnova (Tamara Smirnova) 1 December 2020 14: 03
        +5
        an analyst or an expert should not show likes or dislikes, this greatly affects objectivity.
      2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 1 December 2020 19: 52
        -4
        harshly but justly, I want to add that being a communist I was also a believer in God, so when he was lying, then, during the Soviet era, or now, when he prays and lights candles.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Wolf) 1 December 2020 14: 20
      -1
      Madame has not only obvious problems with logic (where did she find dislike for GDP, I don’t know?), but also with arithmetic (Putin was mentioned not 8, but 7 times in the text!), tighten the mathematics
      1. Tamara Smirnova Offline Tamara Smirnova
        Tamara Smirnova (Tamara Smirnova) 1 December 2020 14: 26
        +1
        "armed to the teeth" author, boldly rushed to be rude
    3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 1 December 2020 19: 46
      -3
      you can love your relatives, and you can respect the president, but he gradually loses respect with his lack of will and companionship, covered with excuses in the form of various HSPs and the fact that there would be no war
    4. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 21: 57
      +1
      .... he was just disappointed in him ..........
  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 December 2020 09: 24
    +6
    And, some obviously want blood.
    There was no such thing in the Republic of Bashkortostan - that's how they dream in the LPR. It's not a pity for someone else.
    And they won't go to prison for inciting hatred. Since the "correct" kindling
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 22: 03
      +1
      Eh Sergey, Sergey ... it's time to know that the Wolf is a resident of this very ... "alien" ...
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 December 2020 22: 23
        -1
        Grunting already? Is not it too early?
        He does not care about the article ... and those, and tech. And common sense.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 22: 25
          +1
          You think so, and although he is wrong, he lives there.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 December 2020 09: 53
            +2
            I think so.
            You never know who lives.
            LDNR performs its intended role.

            Want more blood? ahead into the siloviki without dumping everything on the Kremlin, Putin, Russia, Belarus, Turkey, etc.

            On the contrary, real war pros do not have a column of blood.
            Real bloggers don't run to the front lines with guns.
            Not a single child of patriotic officials has appeared in volunteers ...

            Even Cadmy provokes from the TV screen, for good fees, and not from a trench of hot spots ...
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 3 December 2020 18: 43
              +1
              KEDMI ............... You are not talking about Ukrainians again, but about Russians. And he is Ukrainian.
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 December 2020 20: 22
                0
                So you need
  5. Alexander Zima Offline Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima (Alexander Zima) 1 December 2020 09: 35
    +4
    The author wants to know Putin's opinion ... but will he send troops to the Donbass ... he has forgotten a statement on this topic ... Ukraine will lose its statehood ... or this mantra needs to be chewed every day ... they recruit shkolota as experts. . now teach them the mind to the mind.
  6. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 1 December 2020 09: 47
    -16%
    Well, if Putin is ready to lay down the lives of one hundred thousand of his own (women are still giving birth) for the sake of losing the statehood of a neighbor, and there will definitely not be a blitzkrieg, as our computer-couch cheers-patriots do not want, then hardly anyone will have to envy the consequences for him and the country. .. Kiev is not Shusha
    1. Ivan Semenov Offline Ivan Semenov
      Ivan Semenov (Ivan Semenov) 1 December 2020 11: 03
      +8
      And I think it will be almost like in the Crimea. These ponadusers, they are rag patriots and always for money. Or hide or change clothes. There will remain ideological ideas, but there are not so many of them. There shouldn't be any big problems, since they are de biles.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 1 December 2020 11: 30
        +3
        Quote: Ivan Semenov
        And I think it will be almost like in the Crimea. These ponadusers, they are rag patriots and always for money. Or hide or change clothes. There will remain ideological ideas, but there are not so many of them. There shouldn't be any big problems, since they are de biles.

        hi Write everything right! yes
        Just do not forget then to clean out of the power of these ..., overnight, "changed their shoes", vile crap on the sly! wink
        1. Glenni Offline Glenni
          Glenni (Andrei) 1 December 2020 11: 35
          0
          Sir, start with your country, show an example, then obviously more!
        2. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 1 December 2020 14: 51
          +7
          Just do not forget then to clean out of the power of these ..., overnight, "changed their shoes", vile crap on the sly!

          Here you are 100% right hi

          During a search in the house of the deputy head of the Yevpatoria administration, Kirill Vavrenyuk, security officials found Ukrainian passports. One of them allegedly belongs to Vavrenyuk's wife, an employee of the prosecutor's office.
      2. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter (Gleb) 1 December 2020 12: 00
        -6
        These ponadusers, they are rag patriots and always for money. Or hide or change their clothes ...

        These "rag patriots" or whatever "ponad ..." are often the same Russian people and character traits from having a passport of another country are not lost. So, not everyone will hide and change their clothes. You should not consider yourself smarter than others, otherwise the same thing can happen as in Ukraine. Then you will be surprised, but what are we for?

        There shouldn't be any big problems, since they are de biles.

        It was smooth on paper ... recourse
        Much time has passed and the initiative has been lost, and the size of the problem is a relative value. In Karabakh, for example, there are no big problems either. Yes, there in general, the Russians have no problems.
    2. begemot20091 Offline begemot20091
      begemot20091 (begemot20091) 1 December 2020 11: 34
      +1
      https://ok.ru/video/20835340752?fromTime=6
    3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 22: 12
      +1
      Ndaaa ... Igor ....... You have a mess in your head! Shushu GDP DID NOT TAKE !!!
      You don't know so much that it's straight ... strange ... but are you in yourself at all ??? And in general - WHY DO WE NEED Kiev ???
  7. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 1 December 2020 11: 33
    -10%
    Quote: Ivan Semenov
    And I think it will be almost like in the Crimea. These ponadusers, they are rag patriots and always for money. Or hide or change clothes. There will remain ideological ideas, but there are not so many of them. There shouldn't be any big problems, since they are de biles.

    in the Crimea there was a base, a narrow isthmus, a small area near Kerch, confusion in Kiev. Now everything is different, and the length of the border with Ukraine is almost 2000 km. There will be no blitzkrieg, and do not dream. It will be a collapse for us in everything.
    1. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
      Indifferent 1 December 2020 12: 00
      +6
      Igor, do you have any idea about the army? If not, why are you writing? The war with ukrami will be very short. Landing in Kuev and capture of administrations of all levels with surrender the next day. That's all!
      1. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
        ODRAP (Alexey) 6 December 2020 02: 22
        -3
        Here you are, you definitely have no idea about the army.
    2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 December 2020 13: 08
      +5
      Everything will depend on how the President of the Russian Federation and the company behave. If they fight, as in the Second Chechen War, or if it is tougher, Ukraine will end, if they launder money and drain their own army, then the Russian Federation will lose the war even to Lithuania
    3. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 1 December 2020 13: 56
      +5
      You know a lot about Crimea. You would have looked at the ecstasy of Ukrainian patriots together with representatives of the "indigenous" population on February 24.02.2014, XNUMX, when they fought with the pro-Russian ones and expelled them from the square in front of the Supreme Council of Crimea. It was for them a "peremog peremog", like - "the whole world is at their feet", Chubarov demanded in three days to demolish a monument to Lenin on the square of the same name in Simferopol, and a bunch of other hobbyists whistled, and then ... very quickly and very quietly everything changed. Lenin just stands there. Chubarov ??? "And don't dream." Oh well...
    4. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 1 December 2020 14: 26
      +5
      Collapse for us? It's right. Who said that the Slavs can be defeated when they cease to consider themselves one people (I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the phrase). It's true. Ukraine (not the people, but the "top") is ready to serve anyone and in any way, if only in spite of Russia. The old tactic is divide and conquer.
    5. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 1 December 2020 14: 57
      0
      It will be a collapse for us in everything.

      Who is it for us? Whose will you be?
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 22: 16
        +1
        He is, in principle, right. Here are the Russians who have ceased to be Russians and have become "ukrami" ...
  8. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 1 December 2020 11: 57
    -3
    The order is designed for suckers, not an article! I could not read it!
  9. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 December 2020 13: 00
    0
    In fact, those who advise Ukraine to drain Donbass are a Trojan horse in the Russian Federation itself! Draining Donbass will add respect among the people to the Ukrainian authorities, the people love the winners and drown the remnants of Putin's positive rating in a swamp, the people hate and despise the losers ... to this, he turned a blind eye to fascism in the Odessa House of Trade Unions, and the Russian Federation will very soon receive another Bandera region of Ukraine in the Donbass .... Next, armed provocations will begin on the borders of the Russian Federation itself and, first of all, in Crimea, which is not part of the West of the Russian Federation thinks ... And here it is no longer a fact that the people in the Russian Federation will scatter to fight for the Crimea after the Donbass is drained ... Many are ready to fight for the Russian idea, for Putin's muddy many-passages with the drain of the interests of the Russian people, according to the recipes of Alkanaft Yeltsin, they will not go ... It is enough to recall the First Chechen Army, which is not popular among the people, due to Moscow's drain of its own army, to understand how it will be ... or maybe even worse ... To Ukraine If the situation is reversed, the capture of Donbass will inspire the capture of Crimea, and then other things that Ukraine considers its own (Rostov, Voronezh, Belgorod, Lipetsk, Kuban). Sensing an easy prey, Ukraine will begin to actively help NATO, because it is not for nothing that they say that the Lions Pride led by a ram is a herd of rams ... Cowardice in the Kremlin will nullify the entire combat capability of the Russian Federation!
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 22: 20
      0
      Eh ... not that Peregrine Falcon ... not at all the same ...
  10. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 1 December 2020 13: 08
    -6
    Will Ukraine accept the Kremlin's “invitation” to the war over Donbass?

    - Or not only for Donbass ??? - To our great regret, today Russia itself has more and more such "invitations" ...
    - And what about Transnistria ??? - And what about Belarus ??? - And what about Syria ??? - And why did they suddenly send our soldiers to Karabakh ???
    - Many local jingoistic patriots simply dream of blitzkrieg in relation to Ukraine ... - Where does this frenzied euphoria come from ??? - Once ... - and our troops are in ... in Kiev ... - Well, you must ...
    - And if this does not work out ... - After all, today the Ukrainian army is approximately comparable to the Russian army ... - Well, what can the Russian army use against the Ukrainian army ??? - Tanks and motorized infantry ??? - Well, Ukraine today has enough prepared effective anti-tank weapons ... - Aviation ??? - Yes, and Russian aviation is rather weak, few in number and has problems in quantitative and qualitative aspects in the training of flight personnel ... - MLRS means ??? - Yes ... there is no overwhelming advantage either ... - And besides ... - our rocket launchers and MLRS and our aviation will not strike at Ukrainian cities and towns where Ukrainian garrisons are deployed ... - After all, the entire world community will stand on its hind legs; yes, and our guarantor will not agree to this ... - So we will fight in the old fashioned way ... - with motorized infantry and artillery ... - - And the Ukrainian army is sufficiently prepared in this regard ...
    - And if we take into account the fact that all Ukrainian youth will come out to defend Ukraine ...
    - And if we take into account the fact that Russian youth do not need this war at all ...
    - And if we take into account the fact that all kinds of volunteers and mercenaries of all stripes (Poles, Balts, and Belarusians) will come to fight for Ukraine ...
    - And if we take into account the fact that China will be very active (with weapons and all kinds of support means) on the side of Ukraine ...
    - And the fact that Americans, Germans, French, Swedes, Finns, Norwegians, etc. ... - all will play for Ukraine ...
    - And the fact that Turkey ... - can even send its military contingent to this war (for Ukraine ... of course) ...
    - And ... what then ... - Well, our troops did not take Kiev with a swoop and got bogged down in battles somewhere near Poltava ...
    - And then what ??? - How can all this end for Russia ??? - It's better not to "predict" ...
    1. amart Offline amart
      amart (A M) 1 December 2020 20: 02
      -6
      One of the few adequate posts written here, it is double that it was written by a woman. Bravo, everything is written correctly. In an attempt to deprive Ukraine of its statehood, Russia will sign its own death warrant, and then in The Hague they will not judge Girkin and Co., but the one who was zeroed out.
  11. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 1 December 2020 13: 58
    +2
    I repeat.
    A week ago, I made a comment to the author's article that the situation with the LDNR and NK is diametrically opposite.

    In the case of NK, the UN Security Council Resolution No. 884 of November 12, 1993 takes place. She proclaimed the belonging of NK (in total, entirely) to Azerbaijan. No comments, conditions, etc.
    In the event of an offensive by Azerbaijan, the persuading parties can only promise him trouble, purely unofficially. This was the complexity of the problem. And Russia had to settle it. Since the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh was escalated by Turkey, troubles have now begun for her.
    As for Donbass, there is a UN Security Council resolution of February 17, 2015 No. S / RES / 2202 (2015).
    She legitimized the Minsk Agreements letter by letter.
    Therefore, Putin, with peace of mind, even, in my opinion, last year promised Ukraine problems with statehood in the event of a broad offensive in the Donbass. And they believe him there.
    1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
      Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 1 December 2020 15: 14
      -6
      also, in my opinion, last year I promised Ukraine problems with statehood

      to promise does not mean to marry ... who is ready to put all the welfare of his country for the sake of such a desired (well, maybe not for everyone), but bloody victory over a neighboring state ... and what will the young people and uncles from the reserve say when they are taken by train to the slaughter?
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 1 December 2020 15: 32
        +3
        You do not understand, we are talking about documenting each situation.
        The author believes that it is the same. In fact, Ukraine, by attacking the LPNR, violates the UN resolution. This is not the case in case of Azerbaijan's attack on NK.
        And the fortress of the Faberge of the leadership of the countries and humanitarian considerations are a separate issue.
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 1 December 2020 22: 23
        +2
        Igor, go ... pray.
  12. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 1 December 2020 21: 26
    -1
    Some kind of game.
    Volkonsky pulled an owl onto a globe.
  13. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 2 December 2020 01: 42
    0
    The difference between NKR and Donbass is huge, the author is disingenuous. In the LDNR, there are many citizens with Russian passports, in fact, Russians. And if these people begin to die en masse as a result of a hypothetical large-scale attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, then Russia will definitely have no other choice - only to inflict a crushing blow on the Ukrainian army. The outcome is obvious. Complete defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the likely loss of Ukraine's statehood. Kiev is well aware of this and of course there will be no full-scale attack on the rebellious republics. And no possible recommendations from the United States will change the situation. Only the continuation of the current semi-frozen conflict and provocation of Ukraine. Unless, of course, Putin is honored to resolve the issue radically. By the way, the author quite rightly noted that Ukraine does not need Donbass as part of this country.
  14. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 2 December 2020 03: 30
    +2
    Banderization of Ukraine instantly made it an enemy of Russia and it doesn't matter Crimea, Donbass, it's all a consequence. Hatred of Russians would be all the same. For a Ukrainian, not the European Union is important, but it is important that there is no Russia. Putin will die, happiness, Russia will fall apart, happiness. Hatred is poured across Ukraine like butter under a tram at Bulgakov's. Tell the Ukrainian that his Russian brother will turn him inside out. Read their comments, listen to what they say. It is useless for them to prove something, some kind of correctness. Several generations will be like that. By the way, Russians in Ukraine and Ukrainians are one and the same. All this you need to know before calling them to us. They will come and will hide hatred in their souls for all the good.
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 2 December 2020 07: 29
      -3
      Hatred is poured across Ukraine like butter under a tram at Bulgakov's.

      - Yes, you are absolutely right ...
      - Ukraine itself; the "simple Ukrainian people" themselves, as it is customary to say ... - at the lowest level of everyday life, they have always "ill-wished" towards the same "ordinary Russian people" ... - and without the help of any "Bandera", "Petliurists", "Makhnovists" and so on ... - So today's Bandera easily won the popularity and support of this simple Ukrainian people ... - The soil has already been prepared by previous generations ... - from the time of Mazepa to today's events ... - Never special there was no love in Ukraine between Russians and Ukrainians ... - But on the territory of Russia this hostility "Russian-Ukrainian" has long since sunk into oblivion ... - it has simply disappeared ... - there is no difference ... - between Russians and Ukrainians ... - Even "Russian Ukrainians" themselves do not very much welcome "Ukrainian Ukrainians" ... - These are the things ...
      - And in Ukraine all this hostility flourished ... - so today and in general ... - "blossomed in all its glory" ... - How dashingly and without any problems all, literally all of Ukraine "jumped" exclusively into the Ukrainian language, overnight "abandoning" the Russian language ... - Yes, yes ... -Many still continue in Ukraine at home, in the family ...- speak in Russian ... - But it does not change anything ... - already the next generation in Ukraine, in 10-15 years will speak only Ukrainian ... You can, of course ... - overlook this, dissemble and try to portray everything in a different light ... - nothing will change from this ....
      - Take the same Armenia ... - Today in Armenia the majority of residents (95%) are already in Russian and cannot connect two words; and once more than half of these residents (all the townspeople) spoke fluently in Russian ... - This also applies to Georgia ... -Young people there today speak English fairly well ... - and in Russian ... - no boo-boom ... - Such is the case ...
  15. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 3 December 2020 17: 37
    -3
    Quote: gorenina91
    Hatred is poured across Ukraine like butter under a tram at Bulgakov's.

    - Yes, you are absolutely right ...
    - Ukraine itself; the "simple Ukrainian people" themselves, as it is customary to say ... - at the lowest level of everyday life, they have always "ill-wished" towards the same "ordinary Russian people" ... - and without the help of any "Bandera", "Petliurists", "Makhnovists" and so on ... - So today's Bandera easily won the popularity and support of this simple Ukrainian people ... - The soil has already been prepared by previous generations ... - from the time of Mazepa to today's events ... - Never special there was no love in Ukraine between Russians and Ukrainians ... - But on the territory of Russia this hostility "Russian-Ukrainian" has long since sunk into oblivion ... - it has simply disappeared ... - there is no difference ... - between Russians and Ukrainians ... - Even "Russian Ukrainians" themselves do not very much welcome "Ukrainian Ukrainians" ... - These are the things ...
    - And in Ukraine all this hostility flourished ... - so today and in general ... - "blossomed in all its glory" ... - How dashingly and without any problems all, literally all of Ukraine "jumped" exclusively into the Ukrainian language, overnight "abandoning" the Russian language ... - Yes, yes ... -Many still continue in Ukraine at home, in the family ...- speak in Russian ... - But it does not change anything ... - already the next generation in Ukraine, in 10-15 years will speak only Ukrainian ... You can, of course ... - overlook this, dissemble and try to portray everything in a different light ... - nothing will change from this ....
    - Take the same Armenia ... - Today in Armenia the majority of residents (95%) are already in Russian and cannot connect two words; and once more than half of these residents (all the townspeople) spoke fluently in Russian ... - This also applies to Georgia ... -Young people there today speak English fairly well ... - and in Russian ... - no boo-boom ... - Such is the case ...

    well, good, one more reason not to climb into another's monastery with your garden, and even more so to fight
  16. ODRAP Offline ODRAP
    ODRAP (Alexey) 5 December 2020 02: 25
    -4
    Ukraine will not come to the war.