Finnish media: Peace in Karabakh achieved with Russia's help is humiliating


Critical views on the Armenian-Azerbaijani ceasefire agreement are reflected in the new publication of the popular Finnish edition Verkkouutiset.fi.


According to a number of experts, peace in the region is hardly possible without "multilateral agreements".

Johanna Ketola of the Institute of Foreign Affairs is openly saying that “the terms of the agreement are humiliating for Armenians”. policy and Antti Pihlajamaa from the National Defense College.

According to the above-mentioned researchers, the agreement ignores many of Armenia's conditions, in particular, the recognition of Nagorno-Karabakh as a party to the negotiations. In the current edition, only Armenia and Azerbaijan are such.

The agreement also does not say anything about the further management of Nagorno-Karabakh and its status.

According to Finnish researchers, Russia is trying to convince international players such as the EU, US and UN to support the agreement. However, the credibility of the EU has suffered greatly in the eyes of the countries of the region, as the European Union has failed to prevent or stop the fighting.

The publication reminds that about 2000 Russian soldiers will take part in the peacekeeping operation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Soldiers from the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade were sent, who allegedly (according to some media reports) have experience of the war in Donbas

- the Finnish edition could not resist an injection.

Finnish experts also argue that "the reputation of the Russian forces as peacekeepers is questionable."

For example, it is indicated that "during the war in Georgia in 2008, the peacekeepers became a party to the conflict." At the same time, the article is slyly silent about how and under what circumstances this happened. Namely, it was about the attack by the Georgian armed forces.

It is noteworthy that an assessment of the results of the second Karabakh war, similar to the Finnish one, is quite rare. Basically, Russian and foreign experts agree that due to the current military defeat, Moscow helped Yerevan find the most acceptable way out of the conflict.

At the same time, Baku is often called the unequivocal winner, who not only returned by military means most of the lost lands, but also received a land corridor to Nakhichevan, and then to Turkey.

At the same time, the opinion is often expressed that Armenia can also receive a certain benefit, that all these years it suffered from closed borders with Turkey, trade through which was stopped just after the first Karabakh war. Now Ankara is also interested in normalization.
  • Photos used: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 08: 52
    -1
    The Azerbaijanis won a victory in this conflict and, using the right of the winners, will dispose of the conquered territories. It is symbolic that the Armenian population of Karabakh is returning en masse to their homes left behind during the hostilities. Apparently, the Armenians realized that nothing would shine for them in poverty-stricken Armenia, in other places too, and decided to return. Most of them will eventually become citizens of Azerbaijan of Armenian nationality and will live peacefully in Karabakh, they definitely do not plan pogroms and extermination of Christians in Baku.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 November 2020 09: 06
      +2
      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      pogroms and extermination of Christians in Baku are definitely not planned.

      Did they tell you "for sure" from Baku?
      1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 27 November 2020 09: 22
        0
        Yes, especially against the background of rumors (rumors, yes) that as payment for help in the war, Erdogan demands that Turkomans from Syria, who participated in this war, be settled there, so to speak, in payment for the "shed blood" If this is not a fake, then it will be fun there - Turkomans and Azerbaijanis will not get along together - first they will cut out the Armenians remaining there, and then they will happily cling to each other's throats. Well, about the "Finnof" ... Well, these as typical European balabolki instead of actions always advocate a typically "European-democratic" way of solving any issue - "multilateral balabolki". And since there were no such "balaboloks", it means that the Russians did everything wrong. I just want to ask the Finnish "hot guys", what did you personally do so "right" to prevent a conflict there and stop the killing of people? Come on, come on, show your "correct actions".
        1. Lyuba1965_01 Offline Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 (Love) 30 November 2020 07: 12
          +3
          Many peoples of different faiths, including Christians, live very peacefully in Azerbaijan. For your information: in the 90s in Baku, the Azerbaijani philanthropist helped to restore the former Russian Orthodox Church to help buy all the utensils for it and donated all this to the Baku Diocese of the Russian Orthodox Church. In Azerbaijan there is a village of Russoe Ivanovka, where Molokans live, and a small number of Azerbaijanis also live there (Molokans do not particularly welcome strangers in their midst). Well, the Koran says that "Christians are closest to those who believe in faith. So what special then there are no problems between Christians and Muslims in Azerbaijan.
      2. maiman61 Offline maiman61
        maiman61 (Yuri) 27 November 2020 14: 17
        +2
        Believe the Armenian lies less! I closely followed the conflict, but I heard nothing from the Armenians except lies! They screamed, oh, wai! Azerbaijanis are ironing peaceful cities with hail and tornadoes! Azerbaijani troops come in and perfectly preserved towns and villages on roller skates! The only ruins where the Armenians have destroyed for 30 years of occupation!
      3. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 20
        -2
        This is clear even without reports.
    2. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 27 November 2020 09: 13
      -2
      such "Christians" are not needed for nothing.
    3. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 27 November 2020 17: 09
      0
      There are two friends, an Armenian and an Azerbaijani. The first middle manager at a construction company, all day at the facilities, the second co-owner of the pavilion near my house, unloads and counts from morning to evening. Both are 40 years old. One has a Toyota Camry, the other has a Volkswagen. The first one says that her daughter entered Moscow State University, she finishes school with the second, thinks about where to go ... Ordinary normal hard workers. Somehow it’s like that in a snickering non-rubber ...
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 28 November 2020 11: 02
        0
        Peter, you have not told - what do they say, what they think about this massacre? Would you post?
        1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 28 November 2020 14: 00
          0
          Sorry, but I can't. I will only meet the first one in the next flying season, and the second pavilion was demolished ...
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex 1 December 2020 22: 25
            +1
            Of course it is sad...
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 November 2020 09: 18
    0
    Anything can be.
    The Finns have a clear beleberd.

    And so, many Armenian "grandfathers of the khasans" have ruled in Russia for a long time.
    So the honest population could well stay in the localities. It will be seen there.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 27 November 2020 17: 14
      -2
      If it is interesting to divide people by nationality, then "grandfather Hasan" was an Assyrian.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 28 November 2020 00: 31
        +2
        Genetics are not that important. Mentality is important.
        Stalin was genetically Ossetian.
  3. amateur Offline amateur
    amateur (Victor) 27 November 2020 09: 25
    0
    Have you dug up the Finnish version of the censornet somewhere and now we will chew it and discuss it?
    "Oh, apple, where are you kitting ..."
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 27 November 2020 09: 36
      0
      like to like ...
  4. Stalnov I.P. Offline Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. (Stalnov Ivan Petrovich) 27 November 2020 10: 08
    +2
    Finam is humiliating, so let their tongue be pushed into their ass, they themselves do not do anything, they sit like cowardly mice in their holes. Suffice them to supply OUR Russian timber, WE saw them in the coffin, them and their statements.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 27 November 2020 10: 26
      -2
      The ban should be introduced on January 1, 2022.
      The President also instructed to launch from 2021 soft loans for small and medium-sized businesses for the re-equipment of production facilities and the creation of facilities for deep wood processing.
      1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 27 November 2020 17: 45
        0
        I did not understand who and why was unhappy with this info. Corrected a little. There is the term "sawlog", this is a log, there is the term "sawn timber", a board, a beam, a gun carriage, a sleeper. Previously, the sawmill was in any timber industry. In fact, it's just a circular. On the docks, of course, there are machines, but this is also her, only with bells and whistles. We need export GOST, 12% humidity to Europe, and Iran itself takes "natural humidity 18%" no question, a container with heating elements will be. Sawdust for fuel briquettes or agricultural holding farmers for keeping livestock. The choice.
  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 November 2020 10: 34
    +2
    Isn't it humiliating to water the Russian Federation with slop, and then go to live in the Russian Federation, ask her for help for your country ?! US six is ​​not humiliating ?!
  6. Heroes Heroes Offline Heroes Heroes
    Heroes Heroes (Sergei) 27 November 2020 11: 13
    +1
    Why would I remember the last time I blew my nose? This is me about the Finns and their so-called publications.
  7. Aleksey Glotov Offline Aleksey Glotov
    Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 27 November 2020 13: 44
    0
    The Finns should keep quiet ... remembering their reputation as Martti Akhtisaari in negotiations with Milosevic.
  8. maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 27 November 2020 14: 11
    +1
    The atrophied possibilities of geyropa and mattress makers to achieve peace in Karabakh can be humiliating! They even disdain to talk with these nonentities!
  9. white gentleman Offline white gentleman
    white gentleman (Ivan) 27 November 2020 14: 46
    -2
    The Armenian authorities demonstratively refused to buy Russian electronic countermeasures to combat unmanned aerial vehicles, having concluded an agreement for the supply of complexes with Germany.
    The reason for this was the fact that absolutely all Russian electronic warfare systems in service with Armenia, including the "Repellant" system, were useless against enemy drones, and some of the complexes were completely destroyed by the same drones.
    Such a demonstrative reluctance to acquire Russian weapons may indicate that Yerevan intends to completely switch from the use of backward Soviet and Russian weapons to the advanced weapons of Western countries.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 27 November 2020 17: 57
      -2
      I love specialists! If it's not a secret, from which country are we posting? My name is on nickname, Moscow ...
      KRGS)))
  10. bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 27 November 2020 18: 05
    0
    Probably, this is how the Finns thank Putin for the economic privileges that were recently canceled. The Chukhonts were offended that round timber would no longer be bought in Russia.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 28 November 2020 15: 07
      0
      The union worked with Finland on the so-called. Finnish clearing. This is by and large the same barter, only a little more complicated. Our VO and their companies loaded the goods, the State Banks paid them, and at the end of the year they tweaked the balance sheet and settled among themselves. The same clearing was with India and Yugoslavia.
      The main items of commodity turnover: nuclear power plants, TVELS and salary for them, military equipment, oil, gas, electricity, sawlogs, pellets. Zhiguli, yes, don't laugh when I was in Helsinki for the first time at 91, so almost a third of the cars on the streets were our Nines! And the classic podmarafechenny stood in the parking lot of used cars, Estonians drove to Tallinn by ferry, our St. Petersburg drove through Torfyanovka.
      From them - ships, including icebreakers, equipment for the pulp and paper mill, household appliances such as Rosenlev refrigerators (I am sure everyone watched the film Prisoner of the Caucasus, I had one, it was, I think, and now there is, an agreement on mutual extradition of border violators. Well, for fun. Firms, employees of representative offices in Moscow, managed to make saunas right in the offices. And I also remember. Almost all employees of the representative offices spoke fluent Russian, and without an accent or mistakes !!! Believe it or not, I don’t need to invent, and I don’t know how.
      Have a nice Saturday evening everyone ...
  11. Sergey Pedenko Offline Sergey Pedenko
    Sergey Pedenko (Sergey Pedenko) 27 November 2020 20: 23
    0
    the world is humiliating for Armenians

    - not thanks to Putin, but the brainless defense and arrogance of the Armenian leadership //
  12. Yuri Kharitonov Offline Yuri Kharitonov
    Yuri Kharitonov (Yuri Kharitonov) 27 November 2020 21: 00
    -1
    These creatures will bite us even dead and be afraid.
  13. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 28 November 2020 00: 33
    +2
    Too much territory of the USSR in 1945. left. For the future, it must be considered.
  14. nikola bb Offline nikola bb
    nikola bb (nikolaj wasiljew) 28 November 2020 10: 17
    +2
    Finnish edition laments over non-recognition of NKR by a negotiating party? And did anyone recognize the NKR? Armenia recognized? And why, in this case, the Finnish edition does not lament over Kiev's non-recognition of the LDNR as a party to the negotiations on Donbass? Double standarts!