Russia was able to collect combat vehicles superior to the enemy from old tanks


Epigraph: "We are not going to fight with anyone, we are trying to create conditions so that no one would try to fight with us!" (V.V. Putin)


Taking part not so long ago in the special TASS project “20 Questions for Putin,” the Russian President, answering the questions of journalist Andrei Vandenko in the block dedicated to the state of affairs in the army, opened the veil of secrecy about equipping the RF Armed Forces with modern weapons. It turned out that lagging behind its opponents in terms of expenditures for maintaining combat readiness (the Russian Federation is only in 8th place on this list with $ 48 billion, yielding not only to the United States, which is in 1st place with $ 750 billion / year, but also China, CA, India, Britain, Germany and Japan, just think, even Saudi Arabia and India are overtaking us!), We have contrived during the years of Putin's rule the percentage of equipping the RF Armed Forces with modern technique raise from 6% in 2000 to 68% in 2019.

Somewhere in these percentages our new main battle tank (MBT) T-14 "Armata", and a self-propelled 152-mm artillery unit (ACS) based on the T-90 2S35 "Coalition-SV" tank, and a self-propelled 57- mm anti-aircraft artillery system based on BMP-3 2S38 "Derivation-Air Defense", and heavy infantry fighting vehicle on the basis of T-14 BMP T-15 with combat module "Dagger", and medium BMP B-11 "Kurganets-25" with combat module "Epoch", and heavy combat vehicle support for tanks BMPT "Terminator-2", about the improved and modernized our main battle tanks (MBT) T-80BVM and T-90M "Breakthrough-3" is not even talking about.


Armor is strong and our tanks are fast


But it would seem that new combat vehicles and tanks are being developed, tested, and even run-in in real combat in Syria, but they are in no hurry to join the troops. The Ministry of Defense orders them so far only in small batches. Why? The fact that it is expensive is only one answer.

The main answer is different. The concept of war has changed. The war of motors gave way to the war of wings. Still, the 21st century is in the yard! Why seize territory when you need to paralyze decision-making centers? And this requires not tanks, but missiles and planes. The tanks will enter later, when there is already no one to fight with.

If someone takes the trouble to study the map of the location of our main defense plants, he will, to his surprise (or not surprise), discover that they are all located mainly beyond the Urals. Irkutsk, Novosibirsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Kazan, Kumertau (Bashkiria), Arsenyev (Primorye), Ulan-Ude - aviation industry; Nizhny Tagil (Uralvagonzavod), Kurgan (Kurganmashzavod), Yekaterinburg (Uraltransmash) - tank industry, production of armored combat vehicles (AFV). All this did not happen by accident. Since the time of the last war, our defense plants from the European part of the Union were evacuated to the Urals and beyond the Urals, and they remained there. During the Second World War, the Germans could not reach them even for the modern conquerors of Russia, to get to them, you need to fly half of Russia, crawl, plow. And this is an impossible task for any conqueror. But since we ourselves are not going to attack anyone, we have to be ready to repel an attack on our territory. That is, to paraphrase Putin, we are preparing for a potential war on our own territory. And for this, the existing AFV fleet is still enough for us.

Thousands of storage units for armored combat vehicles are located in units of varying degrees of combat readiness (from permanent combat readiness units to reduced and cropped units), not counting the storage bases for weapons and military equipment (BHRVT), and central reserve bases for equipment (CBRT). Do not throw away the good ?! Therefore, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation chose the path of modernization of the existing fleet of armored combat vehicles, which is not yet morally obsolete, with the parallel development of new models of military equipment, which our defense industry can launch into mass production at the first request (equipment and documentation for this are already available, new equipment in small batches manufactured and supplied to the troops, where it undergoes the last field tests).

Conventionally old tanks were turned into modern formidable combat vehicles, which in their characteristics are not only not inferior, but in many respects superior to Western models.

T-72B3M



Our main battle tanks T-72B3M and T-80BVM fell into the first group for modernization, as a result of which they were equipped with similar sighting systems, elements of reactive armor "Relikt" and communications equipment. Their 125-mm guns are capable of firing both conventional shells of various types and long-range guided missiles with tandem warheads. The main difference between these tanks is the type of engines used: the first has a diesel with a capacity of 1130 hp, and the second has a 1250-horsepower gas turbine, better adapted to work in low temperatures.

The first batch of thirty modernized T-72B3Ms this year has already entered the tank division of the Central Military District stationed in the Chelyabinsk region. In addition to the more powerful 1130 hp engine. the tank received an improved set of weapons, aiming and control. In particular, the automatic gearshift, digital display and TV rear view camera. The modernization also touched the protection of the hull: the combined multilayer armor is reinforced with side screens with modules of reactive armor "Relik", hinged lattice screens, as well as additional modules of reactive armor in a "soft" hull. This explosive reactive armor was tested in Syria, where it successfully withstood the hit of an anti-tank missile, after which all our MBTs began to be equipped with it.

T-80BWM



T-80BVM has been modernized and upgraded specifically for use in the Far North, for which it received the name "Arctic". The tank began to enter the northern divisions of USC Sever, Center and Vostok last year. In addition to the 125-mm cannon, combined with the Reflex rocket launcher, which replaced the Cobra complex, which was equipped with the previous version of the T-80BM (Reflex, unlike the Cobra, has an increased launch range and is adapted for modern missile weapons) , the tank is complemented by two machine guns - NSVT and PKT, and all weapons are controlled by the Sosna-U complex with a thermal imager, a modern laser rangefinder and a target tracking system. The power plant allows the tank to reach speeds of about 70 km / h even in off-road conditions. According to a number of military experts, the T-80BVM is on par with the T-72B3 and T-90M tanks in terms of combat qualities.

T-90M



T-90M "Breakthrough 3", which have recently begun to enter the troops, are already a new generation of military equipment. According to their characteristics, they are in no way inferior, and in some parameters they even surpass the best foreign samples. Including those recently adopted for service. Compared to the export version on the T-90M, the structure of the rear of the tower has been significantly strengthened, the fenders have been changed, and an anti-slip coating has been applied, which was previously used only in the T-14 "Armata". The T-90M is currently one of the most advanced mass-produced tanks in the world.

Its main multilayer armor, reinforced by the Relikt universal modular explosive reactive armor, is capable of effectively countering foreign high-speed armor-piercing subcaliber projectiles, as well as guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades. The 125-mm cannon is capable of using a wide range of various ammunition, including laser-guided projectiles. To combat manpower, there is a coaxial 7,62-mm machine gun. The remotely controlled 12,7-mm installation can work both for air and ground targets. The existing fire control system makes it possible to use weapons by the gunner-operator and the vehicle commander at any time of the day. A multi-fuel diesel engine with a capacity of 1130 hp. provides high mobility characteristics. The fuel range reaches 550 km.

T-14



The technical characteristics of our newest tank T-14 "Armata" are still classified. We only know its weight (55 tons), caliber and brand of gun (smoothbore 125-mm 2A82 or 152-mm 2A83 on demand), ammunition (45 rounds), the presence of machine guns (1 × 12,7-mm Kord and 1 × 7,62 , 12-mm PKTM), engine type and power (360N1350 - 1500/1800/90 hp, varies depending on the boost), speed (up to 60 km / h on the highway, 500 km / h on crossroads), stock course (3 km on the highway), crew (14 people). "Armata" is the first tank in the world that implements in its design concept the concept of "network-centric warfare", where the T-90 is used primarily as a reconnaissance vehicle, target designation and fire adjustment of self-propelled guns, air defense systems and T-14 tanks from the accompaniment of its tactical link ... To do this, the T-360 has a circular Doppler radar with a mid-range AFAR, ultraviolet HD surveillance cameras with 72 ° circular coverage, capable of detecting the operation of engines of equipment by exhausting ionized gas. The tank is also capable of launching the Pterodactyl unmanned reconnaissance and targeting vehicle with its own surveillance radar and infrared sight. From here it becomes clear that many such fire control tanks are not yet needed in the RF Armed Forces, it acts as a head control tank in a group of conventional tanks (T-80, T-90, T-20). While 100 aircraft have been delivered to the Armed Forces, the contract provides for the supply of another XNUMX units. This is the only tank in the world with an uninhabited turret so far.

The T-14 is equipped with a new generation of the Afghanit active protection complex, capable of intercepting even anti-tank shells, and it is safe for the infantry and equipment surrounding the tank, to blind anti-tank guided missiles by using "smoke-metal" curtains, by spraying opaque metal particles in the range from microwave to far infrared spectrum. The tank is equipped with the fourth-generation dynamic armor Malachite, capable of repelling with a probability of more than 95% shots from hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, as well as destroying modern sub-caliber anti-tank shells, even fired at the side of the tank ... Some sources claim that Malachite is the first in the world of electrodynamic armor with the possibility of throwing an armor plate at an incoming ammunition even before contact with the armor according to the Afghanita radar data, or according to the projectile's own magnetic field sensor, or ATGM. Multilayer metal-ceramic frontal armor of the tank, equivalent to 1 meter of homogeneous metal armor, which, according to the manufacturer, cannot be penetrated by existing shells and anti-tank missiles. The T-14 is essentially a "stealth tank" with a dramatic decrease in visibility in the infrared, radio and magnetic ranges, which reduces the target capture distance of the seeker ATGM "Javelin", "Spike" or "Brimstone", and similar to them in 2,7 times, even without the use of aerosols by the tank.

As you can see, this is just some kind of monster, not a tank. There are no equal to him in the world yet. We can do as much as we want. At the moment, there is no need for large quantities of it. Opponents so far cannot oppose anything that we already have in service.
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  1. Binder Online Binder
    Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 08: 36
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    Quite recently, during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, we saw how easily and naturally tanks are destroyed with the help of UAVs and loitering ammunition. Tank "Armata" is hopelessly outdated even before it went into production - it's not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday. Russian generals think in terms of World War II, not realizing that the times of large-scale tank battles are long gone, there will be no more tank wedges, battles on the Kursk Bulge and armored fists. The future, which came yesterday, presupposes the widespread use on the battlefields of light mobile unmanned systems operating on land, on water and in the air, in coordination and autonomously for the most complete fulfillment of assigned tasks. In such a war, clumsy multi-ton monsters will be extremely ineffective, because they simply will not be able to resist an enemy equipped with new types of military equipment. A 55-ton "Armata" with a crew of three and all the expensive bells and whistles will be destroyed by a string of cheap plastic IAI Mini Harpy with a starting weight of 45 kg, even before it reaches the contact line. The enemy will then say a big thank you for tens of tons of scrap metal for the metallurgical industry. hi
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 27 November 2020 09: 57
      +9
      Fantasy does not allow to remember about air defense laughing ?
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 16: 56
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        Is it not enough to understand that Russian air defense systems are powerless against modern UAVs? request
        1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 28 November 2020 01: 14
          +4
          Just so powerless that in one day nine of them were dropped.
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 29
            -7
            I would not rely on the figures quoted in the media in this topic ...
            1. Don36 Offline Don36
              Don36 (Don36) 29 November 2020 15: 26
              +5
              Well, look at YouTube how the Russian Air Force brought down Israeli-made Georgian drones in 2008 and don't write nonsense
              1. Binder Online Binder
                Binder (Miron) 29 November 2020 15: 27
                -6
                They poured bricks into their own pants. lol
                1. Don36 Offline Don36
                  Don36 (Don36) 29 November 2020 15: 36
                  +2
                  What dreams you have. wassat
                  1. Binder Online Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 29 November 2020 16: 54
                    -6
                    I do not use drugs in any form and do not advise you.
                    1. Don36 Offline Don36
                      Don36 (Don36) 29 November 2020 16: 58
                      +3
                      Then why did you get so covered ?! Have you had it for a long time ?! They also say that Jews are supposedly smart. Your example shows that you are clearly flattering yourself. It is foolish to deny what was filmed and posted on YouTube ...
                    2. bubasa Offline bubasa
                      bubasa (Konstantin) 5 December 2020 01: 10
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                      it doesn't look like there's no use ... vodka is also a drug fool
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    2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 27 November 2020 11: 02
      +3
      If the tank is one, like a dinosaur, then yes. But if he has cover from air defense and his drones, then that's another matter. Don't confuse local conflict with war. In the event of a large-scale war, the next 100 km can be cleared out by missile strikes so that the enemy will have to think about his own skin not about drones.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 16: 58
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        You, apparently, did not understand anything ...
    3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 November 2020 11: 06
      +5
      And in what categories do you think if you draw conclusions about the combat effectiveness of tanks on the basis of air strikes against them ?! The fact that tanks with aircraft could not fight was proven back in 1941! I don't think that without the support of the Air Force and Air Defense your Merkavas will perform better than the T-72 in Karabakh. Something in 2008, Georgia did not manage to use drones against the Russian Federation, they were quickly landed by the Russian Air Force!
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 03
        -7
        You are wrong - tanks can fight planes, and very successfully. For example, if a company of tanks breaks into the territory of the airfield. This was proven back in 1941. Germans ...
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 27 November 2020 17: 48
          -1
          by the way, the Germans covered our airfields from the air, in the first hours of the war, companies of tanks did not participate in this, they were preparing for the Battle of Kursk
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 31
            -3
            Prepared for the Battle of Kursk starting from 22.06.41. laughing
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 27 November 2020 22: 17
          +4
          Bindyuzhnik, you are not only a bullshit, but also a masochist. You twist history in favor of the Nazi Hitler. Probably for all the good that he did to your people.
          In history, there is the only case of a successful and effective raid of tanks on an operating and warring airfield. This is the raid of the 24th Panzer Corps of Badanov, which destroyed about 100 German aircraft on the runway and in echelons in st. Tatsinskaya 24.12.1942
          But this is just an exception that proves the rule: tanks in battle must be covered from the air. At Stalingrad, there was no such possibility, and Badanov's corps constantly suffered losses from German aviation in the breakthrough.
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 39
            -4
            I, unlike you, prefer the civilized definition of "demagogue" to the approximate term "bullshit". You are now engaged in primitive demagoguery. It is well known that during the rapid advance into the depths of the territory of the USSR in the summer of 1941. the Nazis seized the airfields of the Red Army, located in the West. military district. There is a lot of evidence about this.
        3. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 28 November 2020 01: 15
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          Yeah, for the Urals. Break in. Let at least the Barmaleevs be dispersed in Syria.
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 41
            -3
            Barmaleev in Syria dispersed Sergei Shoigu long ago, who liberated, according to his own statement, three times the territory of the entire SAR. lol
        4. Don36 Offline Don36
          Don36 (Don36) 29 November 2020 15: 27
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          Tanks of some state can break into the territory of an enemy airfield only if the aviation of the same country dominates the air and nothing else.
    4. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 27 November 2020 12: 32
      +4
      and all such fools, continue to make and develop new tanks, why, when there are planes? Okay, our fools have made a tank that was ahead of its time into fools, but why do the Americans climb there, developing a completely deserted 6th generation tank?
      for you I have only one magic word - REB (REP), there is such a thing that makes all your UAVs blind and deaf, fall like apples from a tree, just go and collect it later in your wallet (the text about electronic warfare will be released the other day, open a lot of new things for myself)
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 06
        -2
        Quote: Volkonsky
        developing a completely unmanned 6th generation tank?

        I wrote about this in my comment. And I look forward to the text about EW, thanks in advance. good
    5. bubasa Offline bubasa
      bubasa (Konstantin) 27 November 2020 14: 29
      +6
      are you nicholas the second? what did you see? stupid tactics of Armenians? will not be embarrassed that in Syria, or in the same Karabakh, UAVs cannot fly up to the positions of Russian troops? And if they fly in, they just lose control and fall? What you are talking about here is pure and uncomplicated stupidity. But there is no bridge, so sleep well. The main thing with you is not funny for a long time, because stupidity is funny at the beginning later, it becomes boring, then it evokes sympathy ...
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 10
        -7
        Quote: bubasa
        will not be embarrassed that in Syria, or in Karabakh, UAVs cannot fly up to the positions of Russian troops?

        Are Russian troops fighting in Syria or Karabakh with someone technically equipped, even with the Turks?

        Quote: bubasa
        therefore sleep well.

        So sleep yourself. fool
        1. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 28 November 2020 01: 16
          0
          And where did the Barmaleev get the drones from?
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 06: 00
            -3
            Those plywood crafts that flew into the Khmeimim base? Perhaps they were made by young Arab model aircraft from the Skillful Hands circle at the mosque. lol
            1. bubasa Offline bubasa
              bubasa (Konstantin) 5 December 2020 01: 09
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              and what flew? fool
        2. bubasa Offline bubasa
          bubasa (Konstantin) 5 December 2020 01: 09
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          I see sleepy delirium and are not even aware of the situation. So sleep great fool
      2. Susul Offline Susul
        Susul (Yuri) 29 November 2020 03: 58
        +1
        You probably wanted to write "the tactics of Armenians" as a kind of belittling of their tactics, but you ended up in a completely different direction
        The army of Armenia did not fight in Karabakh! All the battles that took place were battles between the professional army of Azerbaijan and the army of the militia of Karabakh. In fact, we saw what will happen to any "people's" army today - it will simply be rolled out. Finally. In less than 3 months, the Russian Armed Forces rolled out most of ISIS in Syria, and if it were not for the help to terrorists from the United States and Turkey, then Syria would have been liberated from terrorists long ago
        1. Binder Online Binder
          Binder (Miron) 29 November 2020 05: 59
          -2
          Does it mean that hundreds of armored vehicles, S-300 complexes and other expensive military equipment destroyed and seized by Azerbaijanis were all the property of a beggar, small, unrecognized Armenian enclave with a population of about a hundred thousand people? Do you yourself believe in such a fable?
    6. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 27 November 2020 15: 19
      +2
      Tank "Armata" is hopelessly outdated even before it went into production - it's not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday.

      How old is it compared to? Please, give examples of more advanced production MBTs and the parameters in which they surpass the Armata.
      We are waiting, sir. Otherwise, we will have to come to the conclusion that you are a bullshit.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 12
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        It is outdated in comparison with modern methods of warfare. And here you drive bullshit.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 27 November 2020 22: 27
          +4
          Rabinovich, don't twist your back.
          This is not a propeller, and you are not a helicopter ...

          Where is the super-duper new and effective tank of the West, better adapted to modern warfare than the T-14? And by what parameters?
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 53
            -2
            I will refrain from mentioning parts of the body, I will only note that the organ that is designed for thinking in your body does not function very well. You would also ask where the effective cavalry of the West, adapted to modern warfare ...
    7. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 28 November 2020 04: 21
      +2
      The 55-ton "Armata" with a crew of three and all the expensive bells and whistles will be destroyed by a string of cheap plastic IAI Mini Harpy with a 45 kg starting weight, even before it reaches the contact line. The enemy will later say a big thank you for tens of tons of scrap metal for the metallurgical industry.

      Will the enemy be less grateful for 70 tons of scrap metal? Or a "graceful" Merkava with 4 crew members (3+ bio-automatic loaders and this is in the XXI century ..), such a prospect does not threaten? As for me, the burning Merkava looks prettier yes Tanks have been buried for a long time, but they are in no hurry to abandon them, well, except that the small British islanders have announced such plans ... but this is rather an exception. By the way, you are not going to write off either. How lucky to saw these monsters on ferrous metal, share the link, it will be interesting to see. smile Until then, tanks remain a reliable and effective weapon. It's just that everything has its own purpose, it is desirable to have bright heads and straight arms.
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 57
        -2
        "Merkava" is also the technique of yesterday, but the last of these tanks was manufactured back in 2010. Since 2012 in Israel began to develop fundamentally new models of armored vehicles.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 28 November 2020 06: 26
          +1
          "Merkava" is also the technique of yesterday, but the last of these tanks was manufactured back in 2010. Since 2012

          That your competence is also lost? How can you only repair the USA?

          Israel began to develop fundamentally new models of armored vehicles.

          Why so? After all, yesterday ... flocks of elusive omnipresent drones fluttering like a butterfly and stinging like a wasp ...

          Israeli generals think in terms of World War II, not realizing that the times of large-scale tank battles are long gone, there will be no more tank wedges, battles on the Kursk Bulge and armored fists? laughing

          Once again I was convinced that they say that the tanks are outdated and the Armata is not needed, those who cannot create anything of the kind. repeat
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 06: 34
            -2
            Quote: 123
            They say that tanks are outdated and Armata is not needed, those who cannot create anything like this.

            Funny. laughing laughing laughing What kind of breakthrough technologies are incorporated in this "unparalleled" tank, which, by the way, does not yet exist in reality, unlike the same "Merkava"?
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 28 November 2020 09: 50
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              It's funny. What kind of breakthrough technologies are incorporated in this "unparalleled" tank, which, by the way, does not yet exist in reality, unlike the same "Merkava"?

              Master the automatic loader, then we'll talk.
              1. Binder Online Binder
                Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 17: 48
                -2
                Again, funny. laughing laughing laughing In today's Russia, even a decent electric kettle cannot be made on their own. lol
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 28 November 2020 18: 02
                  +1
                  Again, funny. In today's Russia, even a decent electric kettle cannot be made on their own

                  Do yes Here .. unparalleled winked There will be no links, all of a sudden the military-industrial complex releases and they come at night .. bully

                  1. Binder Online Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 18: 06
                    -2
                    Not proof. The heating element there is definitely Chinese. bully
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 29 November 2020 04: 49
                      +2
                      Not proof. The heating element there is definitely Chinese.

                      The evidence is near. Yandex's guiding star to help. I will not give links, they will also take it for advertising ...
                      In addition, there is a stand-alone version with protection against electromagnetic impulses, the heating element - import substitution 100 500%.



                      And they also say there is an option from Rosatom (FGUP RADON) with a plasma torch, but don't tell anyone.
                      1. Binder Online Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 29 November 2020 05: 52
                        -2
                        Appreciated your sense of humor. good
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    9. Susul Offline Susul
      Susul (Yuri) 29 November 2020 03: 51
      +1
      In the same conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, we could see how Azerbaijan lost about 10 drones that flew up to the Russian base ... So they took it and fell ...
      So the drones are outdated ...
      The crew launching a penny IAI Mini Harpy can be destroyed by an even penny 152mm shell
      War is a team sport of professionals; there is no place for delitants.
      And the army of Armenia in Karabakh never appeared
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 29 November 2020 05: 50
        -2
        Quote: SUSUL
        Azerbazhan lost about 10 drones that flew up to the Russian base ... So they took it and fell ...

        So they took paid magazines and wrote it ..
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 November 2020 09: 14
    +2
    All true.
    And that from old tanks (the legacy of the USSR) they made good cars, changing the equipment by a third of its price.
    And that the role of tanks is slowly decreasing.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 27 November 2020 15: 03
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      For each new weapon, a counter-weapon defense is quickly created. Today, the problems of air strikes by new means are the first tasks. They will be solvable, therefore it is not necessary to put all eggs in one basket - decoding, to act in all directions of the development of weapons, including tank unmanned, the Armata MBT is suitable for such re-equipment in everything ... Second, the explosiveness of ammunition, also translated into safe, - possibly injection propellant mixtures, and other powder-free ...
      1. Binder Online Binder
        Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 15
        -4
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        tank unmanned, Armata MBT is suitable throughout for such re-equipment ...

        Why such an expensive armored platform if there is no one to defend? request
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 27 November 2020 22: 37
          0
          You are right, further will be more functional, but you need to build on from something. The first British tanks were also like barrels on tracks ...
        2. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
          pvlshvz (Paul) 28 November 2020 01: 16
          0
          Protect Russia. From the Americans.
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 28 November 2020 05: 46
            -2
            Do the Americans threaten Russia?
        3. Susul Offline Susul
          Susul (Yuri) 29 November 2020 03: 52
          0
          Does the platform itself need protection?
          Engine, electronics, weapon ... It costs a lot too
          1. Binder Online Binder
            Binder (Miron) 29 November 2020 05: 49
            -2
            Unmanned aerial vehicles are a consumable material; in case of mass production, their price is relatively low.
  3. argo44 Offline argo44
    argo44 (mac) 27 November 2020 11: 04
    0
    From what I remember, one Russian general said -

    Russia will never again fight on its territory

    - it was like a preemptive attack.
    1. Binder Online Binder
      Binder (Miron) 27 November 2020 17: 13
      -4
      The general was dreaming ...
      1. Bitter Online Bitter
        Bitter (Gleb) 7 December 2020 15: 51
        +1
        That's all right. Between parties inside and in the post-Soviet space do not count. laughing
        The new Russian capitalists received, mastered and even improved the nuclear and non-nuclear weapons obtained by trophies, which they inherited from the vanished Soviets. The achievements of science and industry of the damned commies today reliably stand on the protection of someone's pocketed, from someone insatiable, but a stranger. And teapots can be bought in China.
  4. bubasa Offline bubasa
    bubasa (Konstantin) 27 November 2020 14: 24
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    true, and Putin's words at the beginning to the point
  5. Alexander K_2 Offline Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 (Alexander K) 8 January 2021 20: 04
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    Compared to the export version on the T-90M, the structure of the rear of the tower has been significantly strengthened, the fenders have been changed, and an anti-slip coating has been applied.
    Oh, how, this is probably a new doctrine: before it was accepted to meet the enemy face, now stern? At the beginning of 1941 there were more than 20000 tanks, how many remained by December 1941. ?
    I think it's time for Russia to stop watching "cartoons" (the armor is strong, with a mighty blow, on enemy soil - it was already in history and the Empire paid too much for such nonsense), and to start developing a normal military doctrine, without mythical, "lacking" analogues obrazches 30-50 years ago!