Why did the Azerbaijani ambassador say more about the death of the Russian Mi-24 than he should


Towards the end of the Second Karabakh War, the Azerbaijani army killed two Russian soldiers and seriously wounded a third, who were in a helicopter over the territory of Armenia. This event caused a great public outcry in our country for two reasons: it remained without appropriate retaliation and was accompanied by a rather eloquent commentary by the Azerbaijani ambassador Bul-Bul oglu.


Mr. Polad Bul-Bul oglu stated the following:

In war as in war - anything can happen.

In response, the Russian Foreign Ministry said:

If Russia professed the principle "in war as in war", then the answer would be crushing.

The situation is extremely ambiguous. On the one hand, Moscow adhered to an emphasized neutrality in the conflict between Baku and Yerevan. Russia sells weapons to Azerbaijan for billions of dollars. Presidents Vladimir Putin and Ilham Aliyev are considered, if not friends, then good friends, between whom there is complete mutual understanding. After the tragic incident, Baku immediately brought changes, expressed its readiness to pay compensation and prosecute those responsible for the deaths of the Russians.

It would seem that the annoying "misunderstanding" has been settled. It is now customary to point out that Bul-Bul oglu is not a professional diplomat. He is a creative person, an honored worker of Soviet culture, a singer and composer, a representative of a respected creative dynasty. He was patronized by the Aliyev family, thanks to which he managed to build a career in the Ministry of Culture of independent Azerbaijan, and then become an ambassador to Moscow. Now everyone is blaming it on the fact that Polad Bul-Bul oglu is a man of age, he is already 75 years old, blurted out without thinking how he offended the feelings of Russians. He was demonstratively pulled out of Baku, having publicly pulled him out, and now there will be peace, tranquility and prosperity between our countries. But will it be?

On the other hand, let's be honest that it is rather difficult to call Azerbaijan a friendly country. Until the Second Karabakh and the downed military helicopter, the cat did not seem to run between us, but everything went to that. Baku and Moscow compete rather fiercely with each other on the oil and gas market, they are extremely dissatisfied with the Kremlin because of the decline in world quotations after a six-week trade war with Saudi Arabia. Of course, this is not a reason to consider another sovereign state an enemy, in any case. But in the last war Azerbaijan showed that it is a reliable ally of Turkey, and this objectively changes a lot.

Ankara and Moscow are already waging two "proxy" wars between themselves in Syria and Libya. Turkey's involvement in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which broke the precarious balance of power between Baku and Yerevan, was a direct consequence of these two wars. If you wish, you can even see the general "handwriting" in the destruction of the Russian Su-24 by the Turks and the Mi-24 by Azerbaijanis. In the first case, Ankara got off with "tomatoes" and the loss of some kind of fuel trucks with terrorists, in the second - only with a verbal threat regarding a "crushing blow".

In fact, Azerbaijan has become a reliable ally of the hostile Turkey. Trying to present him as her submissive "vassal" would be inappropriate, rather, a partner, a junior. And Turkey, by the way, is a member of NATO's western military bloc. As a result of the Second Karabakh conflict, Ankara received a land corridor to the Caspian Sea and after the commissioning of the already announced railway will be able to intercept from Russia freight flows that were supposed to go from India and Iran through the Caspian and our country to Europe. Now they will go through Azerbaijan and Turkey. Great interest in this project was shown by London, which immediately sent the head of British intelligence to negotiations with the Turkish authorities. This is another NATO member, not the least powerful.

Baku is objectively on the side of our traditional geopolitical opponents, realizing this, so it is rather strange to expect the Azerbaijani elites to be sincerely worried about the death of several Russian servicemen. "War is like war." What changes if Polad Bul-Bul oglu is a representative of the Soviet creative intelligentsia? No less famous and honored Soviet actor Vakhtang Kikabidze at one time also noted a number of resonant anti-Russian statements. After the collapse of the USSR, people scattered to their "independent" and now defend their vision of national interests, which does not coincide with ours. Well, Bul-Bul oglu said what he thought, and now what?

Perhaps he and others like him would keep their tongues shut if we responded to the death of every Russian serviceman from “friends and partners” with this “crushing blow” and not with lengthy statements. Then the attitude would have been different.
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  1. Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) 14 November 2020 14: 51
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    In fact, Azerbaijan has become a reliable ally of the hostile Turkey.

    Not an ally but a Turkish puppet.

    If you wish, you can even see the general "handwriting" in the destruction of the Russian Su-24 by the Turks and the Mi-24 by Azerbaijanis.

    Who would have doubted that Turkey shot down our helicopter with the hands of their "proxies". And she shot down again from an ambush, so to speak, and Aliyev was put forward to make excuses and cover Turkey. After all, Azerbaijan is an "ally".
    And I agree with this:

    Perhaps he and others like him would keep their tongues shut if we responded to the death of every Russian serviceman from “friends and partners” with this “crushing blow” and not with lengthy statements. Then the attitude would have been different.

    But there are probably reasons why this should NOT be done SOMETIMES!
    This is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone!
  2. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
    SONATA 2.0 LPG 14 November 2020 14: 56
    -7
    What did you want the Russians? And eat a fish and something else? Well, no brothers. You have to pay for everything. Did you not want to support your ally, did you see Soros everywhere? Well, do not support, only for this ostrich policy you paid back with connivance, due to which Turkey is already entering the Caspian Sea. We, the Armenians, were the only obstacle on their way, but if you are so stupid that you didn't understand this, you will reap the benefits. Far from sweet fruits.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 17: 39
      +7
      Yes, you yourself leaked this war. Some idiot jumped out, Karabakh was not recognized, 2 million were hiding in Russia, Russia was insulted for 2 years, and after that do you want the Russians to become more Armenians than the Armenians themselves? Right now!

      We Armenians were the only obstacle ...

      And WE are you personally, or what? Why didn't you personally lay down your life for your Motherland? Only yapping from the gateway capable of? And yapping from Russia is more convenient?
      1. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
        SONATA 2.0 LPG 14 November 2020 21: 35
        -4
        I'm not in Russia.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 21: 42
          +1
          Where, in Artsakh?
          1. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
            SONATA 2.0 LPG 14 November 2020 21: 49
            -3
            And not only in Artsakh.
    2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 14 November 2020 18: 19
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      Quote: SONATA 2.0 LPG
      We, the Armenians, were the only obstacle on their way, but if you are so stupid that you did not understand this, you will reap the benefits. Far from sweet fruits.

      Time has shown that the barrier was shitty.
      1. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
        SONATA 2.0 LPG 14 November 2020 21: 36
        -4
        Are you friends with numbers? 3 million Armenians against 10 million Azeris and 80 million Turks + barmaley of Syria.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 21: 45
          +2
          The whole trouble is that you are not friends with numbers. It was necessary to sign a contract when offered. Conditions were better than they are now.
          Or have you not yet learned how to count?
          1. SONATA 2.0 LPG Offline SONATA 2.0 LPG
            SONATA 2.0 LPG 14 November 2020 21: 47
            -4
            You at least figured it out first, and then intervened. What contract should have been signed? Aliyev did not make any concessions. Serve him all at once. Should we have signed this?
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 22: 05
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              For us, a scenario is unthinkable in which we transfer to Azerbaijanis not only six regions, but even three square meters on the contact line, "Alexander Iskanderian assures. According to him, the defense line that has been built over the years costs billions of dollars and the Armenian side has no reason to change its configuration, exposing itself to potential danger in the future.

              Here is your position on the Kazan summit. Azerbaijanis are no better. They rested like two rams, but the Russians are to blame.
              You yourself did not recognize Artsakh, but should the Russians fight for it?
        2. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
          Peter rybak (Patrol) 15 November 2020 08: 22
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          Quote: SONATA 2.0 LPG
          Are you friends with numbers? 3 million Armenians against 10 million Azeris and 80 million Turks + barmaley of Syria.

          In the sense of? There were 3 million on the battlefield versus 90 million? What kind of heresy are you talking about? The army fought against the army. Yes, in one there were Turkish instructors, they were seriously trained, strengthened both technically and tactically. Look at your army.
          If there are fewer of you, and there are more of them, why bother to cuddle up and pretend to be a superhero? Why seize foreign lands if you do not know how to hold them? You got the hell out of it and what you deserve. Sorry for peaceful people and youth who died in the war. And people like you sat on the Internet with foam on their lips talking about heroism.
    3. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 15 November 2020 11: 37
      +2
      And what kind of "smart" were you when you organized the pro-American Maidan with the transporters "Russia-out of Armenia" and "Russia-Occupant" ... So you paid for your "multi-vector" with your blood, and not a little, otherwise you sit on this site, and as a "broad Ukrainian" -and us for sho?
  3. Hey, bul-bul-ogly, were you singing there that you would like to kiss the sand on which Aliyev's legs walked?
  4. Dark Offline Dark
    Dark (Design Ovragoff) 14 November 2020 16: 12
    -1
    What do you want from cowardly Russia?
    1. the Saint Offline the Saint
      the Saint (Santa Claus) 14 November 2020 20: 16
      +1
      Money !!! And cheap and free weapons, even disposable.
  5. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 14 November 2020 16: 14
    -2
    well, since the guarantor endured another kick from the sultan, it means that he believes that this is not a shame and the war is still far away
    1. the Saint Offline the Saint
      the Saint (Santa Claus) 14 November 2020 20: 17
      0
      Russotouristo will answer for everything and pay. Together with tomatoes.
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  6. molybdenum Offline molybdenum
    molybdenum (Stanislav) 14 November 2020 17: 21
    -4
    Only those who do not understand reality can equate the Su-24 and the Mi-24. Su-24, shot down in the Turkish sky, was shot down only after Ankara was finally convinced that its repeated warnings about the inadmissibility of violating Turkish airspace by Russian military aircraft had led nowhere.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2020 08: 52
      +3
      I understand the reality perfectly. The conditions are different, the essence is the same: this Mi-24 is a direct consequence of impunity for the Su-24. The Turks and Azerbaijanis knew for sure that there would be no response. she was not there.
      1. cdmax Odessa Offline cdmax Odessa
        cdmax Odessa (cdmax Odessa) 15 November 2020 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        I understand the reality perfectly. The conditions are different, the essence is the same: this Mi-24 is a direct consequence of impunity for the Su-24. The Turks and Azerbaijanis knew for sure that there would be no response. she was not there.

        There was no answer for the helicopter, because there were already contracts. Well, the elite of the Russian Federation was sold for Aliyev's oil, or it’s unseen. But in the coming years we will read about the successes of the Oil Industry in the Caspian direction.
      2. molybdenum Offline molybdenum
        molybdenum (Stanislav) 15 November 2020 15: 54
        -1
        Sergei, if so, what kind of response did you expect to see for the Su-24? Russian combat aircraft without warning invaded the airspace of Turkey, which, I recall, is a NATO member, in other words, a potential adversary country. The Turks talked, talked, but seeing that it did not reach us, they took and shot down one, for clarity. Look at the situation in a mirror image. If NATO combat aircraft began to fly over the Kaliningrad region with impunity and one of them, in the end, was shot down, Russia would have a national holiday. Alas, only the death of the Su-24 forced the Russian pilots to take up their own education and finally explore the area of ​​flights.
  7. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 17: 45
    +1
    In order not to repeat myself about Bulbul-oglu,

    https://cont.ws/@boriz56/1834175

    I wrote here what I think about this.
    The ambassador said what he was instructed to do. But whether Aliyev will now retain power is an open question.
  8. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
    Peter rybak (Patrol) 14 November 2020 17: 55
    -3
    Oh, how long can you embroider the same thread? The author, who clearly supports one side in the comments, now undertook to analyze the situation. With the ambassador already without you, it has been written two hundred and fifty times and there is no need to force it. An attempt here to bump the heads of the Russians and Azerbaijanis, at least, looks pathetic.
    Dear author, one of the basic components of journalism is that the author presents this or that situation without expressing his own opinion in such a vehement way. If this is just analytical material, explain what the analysis is based on, because you obviously do not have enough knowledge on the topic.
    Nothing personal, but just speculating on the same topics every day is regrettable.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2020 08: 28
      +1
      Yes, I clearly support one side, Russia. It is not I who confront the Russians and Azerbaijanis, but the Turks with the consent of Baku, I only write about this directly.
      P.S. don't teach me journalism, ok? I don't care who wrote what 250 times, I have my own opinion on this matter. And less pathos.
      1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
        Peter rybak (Patrol) 15 November 2020 08: 43
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Yes, I clearly support one side, Russia. It is not I who confront the Russians and Azerbaijanis, but the Turks with the consent of Baku, I only write about this directly.
        P.S. don't teach me journalism, ok?

        Not OK. Absolutely not ok, because as a journalist you only face the basics. It is you who are pushing, and, to be more specific, it is the readers of this resource. What the Turks or non-Turks are doing there, you cannot know in principle, because it is completely out of topic. Neither you nor I can know the true agreements between Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan. These are far from enemies, as you are trying to imagine.
        Sorry, but you have no knowledge of the topic, do you understand? They just don't exist. You from there, from here, grabbed pieces, in fits and starts, and build castles. Plus - an illiterate text. Yes, from this point of view, you are a modern journalist.
        But only an extremely illiterate person, unfamiliar with the depth of the topic, with the true state of relationships, from among the bogey-incomprehensible-patriots who flooded this resource, can write these lines:

        Baku is objectively on the side of our traditional geopolitical opponents ...

        Where did you get this? Where does this objectivity come from? Was it expressed by the leaders of our state? Was this officially announced in state resources?
        Then on what basis did you decide this? Based on your conclusions? What if these conclusions contradict the position of the state? So you are trying to drive a wedge. Thank God that you have few readers. I have looked through many of your materials and tried to analyze them. Everything is somehow one-sided, one-sided. The topic has not been studied. The initial data was taken from various resources, which sometimes contradict each other. Analytics at the "I said" level.
        And I'm not going to teach you, because the stage of training for a mature person has already passed. But for your information, my experience in journalism, back in the Soviet period, is more than 10 years. These are not the current home-grown scribblers who have learned to link a few words into a text and rushed to master the small-scale Internet, the zone of permissiveness and disrespect for the opponent.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2020 08: 53
          0
          Self-respect has yet to be earned. Your comment is a pronounced demagogy, not journalism. The discussion is over.
          P.S. And I have enough readers, thank God smile
          1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
            Peter rybak (Patrol) 15 November 2020 08: 56
            -2
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            Self-respect has yet to be earned. The discussion is over.

            Why is it interesting to know? What kind of respect are we talking about?
            Yes, and I am glad of this, because our skirmish cannot be called a discussion. But I am extremely indignant at the position of the "Reporter" resource. Colleagues, there are some principles of portal formation. Or do you want to slide into the "icteric" row? But in this case, the "Reporter" will be of interest to a limited circle of people, while others will just condescendingly bypass you.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2020 09: 01
              -1
              Quote: Peter Rybak
              Self-respect has yet to be earned. The discussion is over.

              Why is it interesting to know? What kind of respect are we talking about?

              This is for these attacks:

              These are not the current home-grown scribblers who have learned to link a few words into a text and rushed to master the small-scale Internet, the zone of permissiveness and disrespect for the opponent ...
              Sorry, but you have no knowledge of the topic, do you understand? They just don't exist. From there, from here, you grabbed pieces, in fits and starts, and build castles. Plus - an illiterate text. ...

              Did you write anything else about respect for your opponent? Who are you anyway?
              P.S. if you personally go around condescendingly, I don't see a big loss.
              1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
                Peter rybak (Patrol) 15 November 2020 09: 07
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                Quote: Marzhetsky
                P.S. don't teach me journalism, ok?

                And my disrespect for my opponent comes from the quote I am citing. As the author of the material, you should not rush at everyone with a broken spear. Listen and not answer at all. Forgive me for the extremely unfortunate example, but if someone writes in the commentary "The author is ... urak", you will immediately answer him "Himself ... urak"? (censorship did not miss the first letter, "d"). You do not answer those who agree with your opinion, it is understandable. But on those who reasonably put your text on the shelves, you immediately bring down all the accumulated bile.
                A true journalist who respects his readers, for without them he is nobody, would write:

                PS Please do not teach me journalism. Did you agree?
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        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 November 2020 09: 08
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          Quote: Peter Rybak
          But only an extremely illiterate person, unfamiliar with the depth of the topic, with the true state of relationships, from among the bogey-incomprehensible-patriots who flooded this resource, can write these lines:

          Baku is objectively on the side of our traditional geopolitical opponents ...

          Where did you get this? Where does this objectivity come from? Was it expressed by the leaders of our state? Was this officially announced in state resources?
          Then on what basis did you decide this? Based on your conclusions? What if these conclusions contradict the position of the state? So you are trying to drive a wedge. Thank God that you have few readers.

          The objective position is manifested in actions, not statements. Azerbaijan took the side of Turkey not in words, but in deeds. This is the criterion for checking objectivity, words (official statements) do not mean anything at all.
          1. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
            Peter rybak (Patrol) 15 November 2020 09: 12
            -1
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            The objective position is manifested in actions, not statements. Azerbaijan took the side of Turkey not in words, but in deeds. This is the criterion for checking objectivity, words (official statements) do not mean anything at all.

            But why should Azerbaijan oppose Turkey ??? On what basis can you think of? Why do states that have positioned themselves as friendly for decades need to be enemies?
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  9. Many_ways_point Offline Many_ways_point
    Many_ways_point 14 November 2020 19: 03
    -2
    Why did the Azerbaijani ambassador say more about the death of the Russian Mi-24 than he should

    Because the Turkish comrades asked him about it.

    If Russia professed the principle "in war as in war", then the answer would be crushing.

    - Putin has once again shown his cowardly nature. This has never happened, and now again. (C).
  10. the Saint Offline the Saint
    the Saint (Santa Claus) 14 November 2020 20: 14
    -1
    Russia immediately lost both Armenia and Azerbaijan and its face. The grandfather's multi-move failed again.
    1. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
      Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 06: 52
      -1
      The European and American media write exactly the opposite. About the failure of both NATO and Turkey in the region and about the victory of Moscow.
  11. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 14 November 2020 22: 31
    +3
    He was defiantly pulled out of Baku, publicly dragging him out ...

    Where did you see the beating? Was he punished? Hajiyev is no one to call the ambassador.
    They labeled the reaction as walking in place. The chiefs of the ambassador, the minister and Aliyev, both remained silent in a rag.
    Gadzhiev was framed, whose words cannot have any consequences in principle.
  12. kot711 Offline kot711
    kot711 (vov) 15 November 2020 11: 05
    +1
    Again ,, deep concern ,,. And some are doing their own thing. Zero, it is zero.
  13. cdmax Odessa Offline cdmax Odessa
    cdmax Odessa (cdmax Odessa) 15 November 2020 12: 55
    0
    The author, so Turkey has long had access to the Caspian Sea through Azerbaijan. Why is this strategic "sensation"?
  14. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 16 November 2020 00: 57
    +2
    Dear (me) earlier V.V. Putin as the head of state more and more disappointed with his toothless foreign policy. And now - once again to wipe off after the cynically shot down by Azerbaijan / Turkey of a combat helicopter of the RF Armed Forces with the death of the crew and practically let the Turks insolent from impunity to the Caspian Sea with all that it implies .. However.
    1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
      Rashid116 (Rashid) 19 November 2020 17: 53
      -1
      Finally, people began to look around them, and not into the mouth of this insignificant. But it seems too late, now he generally neglected the opinion of people. Grandpa is old already, he does not care. And now on the horizon another "dear Leonid Ilyich" drew. One to one, he loves flattery and sycophancy. He does not see the problem at point-blank range, everything is bad for him. The man has lost touch with reality.
  15. Elena Ushkova Offline Elena Ushkova
    Elena Ushkova (Elena Ushkova) 16 November 2020 06: 56
    -2
    Something there are a lot of Putin slickers on the channel. Who do not see the forest behind the trees. Of course I'm not talking about bots. This is their job. Of course, someone really needs Russia to bombard Azerbaijan and Turkey, quarrel with everyone, and get involved in a deep conflict. And here are the figurines for you.
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  16. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 19 November 2020 01: 15
    -1
    After the collapse of the USSR, people scattered to their "independent" and now defend their vision of national interests, which does not coincide with ours.

    Accurate and can not be said
  17. pvlshvz Offline pvlshvz
    pvlshvz (Paul) 21 November 2020 11: 32
    +1
    Nonsense. Historically and culturally, Azerbaijan is closer to a pro-European and secular Russia than to a rigidly Muslim Turkey. In Russia, there is a multi-million diaspora of Azerbaijanis, which has its own highly profitable business and is closely linked by family traditions with Azerbaijan. Aliyev is an educated and intelligent leader and politician. He made good use of Turkey and cleverly freed himself from her care in time with the help of Russian peacekeepers. In recent years, under Pashinyan, Armenia has become much more alien to Russia than Azerbaijan.