Russia responded to Turkey's offer to resolve the Karabakh conflict "in a Syrian way"

October 1 2020 14

Turkey is persistently trying to expand its zone of geopolitical influence. After the guns started talking in Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan and Armenia once again began to sort things out, Ankara hastened to offer Moscow a solution to the Karabakh conflict "in a Syrian way."

It should be noted that Russia did not agree to such a “tempting” proposal for a “settlement”. This can be explained very simply - Ankara has not fulfilled its obligations on Syria. It is logical that Moscow is not delighted with this and does not want the same thing to happen in Transcaucasia.

We (Turkey - ed.) Spoke with Putin and Lavrov. We are working together in Syria, so we tried here too (in Nagorno-Karabakh - ed.), But failed. They say let the war stop first. Let be

- Turkish Foreign Minister Mavlut Cavusoglu told the Turkish Anadolu news agency.

At the same time, Ankara does not hide the fact that it is acting as a "lawyer" for Baku. According to the Turkish side, it is necessary to declare a truce in the confrontation zone, but it must necessarily be accompanied by the "de-occupation of the territory of Azerbaijan." The high-ranking diplomat said so bluntly that "a settlement is possible only after the withdrawal of Armenian troops from the occupied Azerbaijani lands." This is Turkey's negotiating position.

Cavusoglu lamented that the partners do not want to talk about it now. Therefore, he does not know how the long-standing problem in Transcaucasia should be solved. He explained that the ceasefire regime will not solve the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, and the status quo is beneficial for Yerevan. In addition, he drew attention to the fact that the OSCE is not doing anything at all to change the situation for the better. Therefore, a tense situation has remained in Nagorno-Karabakh for many years.

We remind you that before that, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, said that each interested country should make its own contribution to normalizing the situation. She did not comment on "Turkey's settlement methodology", specifying only that Moscow and Ankara have different approaches, methods and understanding of what is happening.

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Atilla10933

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1 October 2020 10: 02
Double standards from Lavrov and rushing.
1. In Syria, Russia and the local authorities are against self-determination and the right of the people to choose with whom to live. (I will not talk about Kurds and others, we are talking about Turkomans)
2. In Karabakh, Russia is not against self-determination and the rights of the people, otherwise there would be no Karabakh problem. But for some reason here the Russian authorities did not take into account that not only Armenians lived in Karabakh, but Azerbaijanis also lived there, and their decision and their vote do not count.
And then everyone is offended, why is it so ... …………………… ..
1. GRF
  
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  1 October 2020 16: 19
  
  Double standards, double standards ... look deeper. Turkey is in Syria illegally.
  Do you, at the suggestion of Turkey "like in Syria," want someone else in Azerbaijan who, without the demand of the Azerbaijani authorities, will, by agreement with someone, establish their own order, which Azerbaijan may not like?
  And here you are writing about the independence and independence of Azerbaijan, well, well ...
  You forget that the Russians gave statehood to many peoples who had never had it before - for free, but it’s just as bad, you have to repay it - it’s a pity with money, so it is generously watered, with spits.
  Do not appreciate our concern for your own, independence, independence and existence! We urge you not to kill each other, but you are listening to those who urge you, who do not need you, but your land and your submission ...
  Can't you do so that it would be beneficial for them to be with you, your fellow citizens? Of course, it's easier to kill. Who is the next "wrong" you will "drive" from "your" land?
  1. Atilla10933
    
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    1 October 2020 16: 46
    
    Quote: GRF
    Turkey is in Syria illegally.
    
    How illegal? She is there on the basis of protecting her people. Turkoman and as you say, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO SELF-DETERMINATION and they do not want to live in Syria. What's not clear here? Plus Syria does not control its borders ... ... ... terrorist attacks in Turkey. If you can't keep an eye on your doors, then I'm sorry. And as for the right to self-determination ... ... ... ... ... is it possible for the Armenians in Karabakh to self-determine, but the Turkomans who are not allowed there millions? That's exactly the double standards.
    
    Quote: GRF
    Forget that the Russians gave statehood to many peoples who never had it before - for free
    
    What nonsense are you writing. What do you want to say before Peter we lived as gypsies? We lived at home ... but your authorities thought the land was not enough and decided to start wars on the southern indentations. So write it right. 50 million nation of Azerbaijanis did not come down from the mountains and they did not need to give the state to them. It's just that your emperors had to stay at home and not start wars with different nations. Write the truth and not tell fables here. They also gave me the state. When we had a state you had nothing but Muscovy. This is how history is being rewritten.
    
    Quote: GRF
    Do not appreciate our concern for your own independence, independence
    
    In the coffin, I saw in white sneakers what you wrote about. I am sure all 15 former republics will agree with me. You can't see anything except your nose and don't even want to hear.
    
    Quote: GRF
    We urge you not to kill each other, but you are listening to those who urge you, who need not you, but your land and your submission ..
    
    You lie so brazenly that you don't even blush. What do you think. if Armenia now says we are ready for peace and friendship and we will return Karabakh to you, or vice versa Azerbaijan says so, do you think this peace will come? Yes damn two. There was one President of Armenia, Damirchyan, he wanted peace with us .... so then their entire parliament was shot. Do you think the Kremlin needs peace here? Who will be selling weapons to? This conflict was created within the walls of the KGB and the Kremlin so that it smoldered and not burned. I will even say more ... in the manuals of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the 80s there is the whole scenario of Karabakh ...
    
    I have written more than once. I will repeat myself. I have a feeling that the Kremlin is working on one road and the citizens of Russia hear another.
    
    You still don’t understand anything? What do you think Azerbaijan could have started a war in Karabakh without the green light from the Kremlin? If you don’t understand, the Kremlin is conducting a HU IS HY lesson for the Armenians with our hands, so that they don’t MOVE. And about your Russian channels, a well-known journalist said .... ARMENIA WANTS TO DOWN ... ... ... ... ..Remember? What do you think Russia will allow Armenia to join NATO? Or Azerbaijan? If one of them goes to NATO, the Armenians will punish us with our hands, the Abkhaz scenario ... recognizes independence ... ... ... ... .... Burn with the Kremlin in Hell!
    
    I'm not against the Russian people .... I studied at a Russian school, the institute is in Russian, I have Russian friends, and Ivanovka is a favorite place in Azerbaijan for buying quality products. But the fact that the Kremlin is a separate issue.
    1. GRF
      
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      1 October 2020 17: 39
      
      By fate's will, what happened?
      Or is this our nature?
      Why do the three, have mercy
      So many enemies?
      But fate is not worth sulking,
      There are others in the distance, God knows,
      And here we have enemies,
      It would be an honor, it would be an honor.
      
      Do not hang the nose, midshipmen,
      Is life bad, or good.
      One sail and one soul
      One sail and one soul
      Fate and Motherland are one.
      
      go have your Russian friends further ...
Bulanov

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1 October 2020 10: 08

I have been proposing for a long time: Create a Union of unrecognized republics of the former USSR with the flag of the USSR and Russia, conclude an agreement with it on economic activity with the prospect of their entry into the Union State of Russia. including Nagorno-Karabakh.
1. Atilla10933
  
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  1 October 2020 10: 40
  
  Quote: Bulanov
  Create a Union of unrecognized republics of the former USSR with the flag of the USSR
  
  Late. Alas. Too much water has flowed under the bridge. The Baltics are wrong. Ukraine too. Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and even more so Turkmenistan do not need it. Azerbaijan voted 93% against the collapse of the USSR at the referendum, and now we don't need that either.
  
  Quote: Bulanov
  Nagorno-Karabakh.
  
  Do you think Karabakh is a separate republic, I don’t understand?
  1. Bulanov
    
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    1 October 2020 10: 49
    
    An unrecognized republic in fact. As well as LDNR, and Transnistria. This is a continuation of the Civil War as a result of the collapse of the USSR. For a long time the "creativity" of the nat will be hiccuping in many former republics the politics of the communists. By the way, like in Ukraine, when Kaganovich, with an iron fist and repressions, drove the Russian people into the Ukraine, and then calmly left for Moscow.
    1. Atilla10933
      
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      1 October 2020 16: 27
      
      Quote: Bulanov
      An unrecognized republic in fact.
      
      Vladimir, Karabakh is not a republic. Nobody recognized his independence. Even Armenia. And by and large it is recognized as an integral part of Azerbaijan, which is confirmed by the resolutions of the UN, the European Parliament, the OIC and even the OSCE, which includes Russia. Sometimes I have the feeling that the authorities in Russia say and do one thing and the people hear something else. Karabakh even by its name and semantic translation speaks of its identity to Azerbaijan. No other is given. They don't really live at home, but give them land, then in Georgia, then in Azerbaijan, then in Turkey. Azerbaijan is currently fighting on its own land (internationally recognized land), but the fact that some soldiers are dying there, the question is ... ... ... ... ... what have they lost there? And by and large, we are fighting against the separatists and in return they kill civilians. Already more than 20 civilians have died and more than 100 of those killed are wounded, the third are children. For a moment, put yourself in our place and you will understand everything.
      
      Quote: Bulanov
      when Kaganovich, with an iron fist and repression, drove the Russian people into the Ukrainian people, and then calmly left for Moscow.
      
      I don’t know how anyone, the Russian community of Azerbaijan sent a letter to the government of the country about the desire to participate in the battles against Armenian separatism. Here Russians live like at home, and in general they are ours and no one is going to drive them anywhere. Azerbaijan is not a mono country but a multicultural one, by the way, like Russia.
  2. dimi
    
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    1 October 2020 15: 15
    
    Atila you will be in the eternal minus !! As my company commander said. your voice only on the day of protection of insects !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
steelmaker

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1 October 2020 11: 44

I believe that for not solving the problem of NKR, Transnistria, Donbass, the Lavrovsky Foreign Ministry should be dispersed with a filthy broom !! Lavrov did not even try to solve these problems, hoping that it would resolve itself. For 30 years that the NKR has existed, I have not heard a single proposal for the settlement of the conflict between peoples. What needs to be done so that two peoples live together? The USSR must return !! But this is impossible!! I think it is necessary to bring Russian peacekeeping troops into the NKR, create a police force, then withdraw weapons and only then allow the Azerbaijanis to return to their land to their homes. Only Russian troops can provide security guarantees for these two nations. Without a third force, these two nations will cut each other, like Georgians and Ossetians, Ukrainians and Russians in Donbas, Transnistria, Kosovo, etc.
1. isofat
  
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  1 October 2020 16: 12
  
  steelmaker, your hat is on fire!
2. Atilla10933
  
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  1 October 2020 16: 30
  
  Quote: steel maker
  Lavrov did not even try to solve these problems
  
  Not Lavrov but Kalantaryan. On this and does not decide.
  
  Quote: steel maker
  What needs to be done so that two peoples live together?
  
  When you quarrel, you have to quarrel so that there is room for trying on. The Armenians did not leave such a place.
  
  Quote: steel maker
  Only Russian troops can provide security guarantees for these two nations.
  
  Even NATO and the UN and Russia taken together will not be able to give such a guarantee. Believe me.
Toha from KZ

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1 October 2020 17: 10

Lie once, lie twice. I am amazed at the patience of the Foreign Ministry, they hold us for a loshar, they laugh openly, and we all try to communicate with our foreign "partners" in partnership.
steelmaker

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2 October 2020 12: 41

steelmaker, your hat is on fire!

I suggested one of the ways for a peaceful settlement. And you, as I understand it, only suit you to kill?

Even NATO and the UN and Russia taken together will not be able to give such a guarantee. Believe me.

There are 150 nationalities in Russia. And we Russians know how to try on nations. Moreover, for many decades you lived together peacefully (until 1989). And you don’t want to come to an agreement, because you don’t know how to forgive. When you get tired of killing each other, then maybe you will appreciate Russia more.

A thin world is better than a good war.