"Revolution of shopkeepers": how Belarusian business decided to boycott Lukashenka


Do you have a red hat and a white sweater? No? Maybe a white baseball cap and a red jersey? Also no? Well, then you won't be seen in Europe. You have nothing to do on the Belarusian Maidan. The opposition is already jumping out of cowards, trying to somehow show that the people are in solidarity against the regime of the bloody dictator. It comes to insanity, they are already carrying out actions of disobedience in the yards and entrances to them. Soon, with the same success, they will escort them to their own apartments. At the same time, the audacity is enough to indicate to the daddy that incomes have fallen in the country. Have you guys tried to return people to their jobs? You look, and incomes will grow.


At first, upon the emergence of the White House, faced with massive protests, Batka registered all the protesters as unemployed and criminals. "There is no work, so, walk, uncle, along the streets and avenues." As part of this, Belarusian TV aired story after story about the participation of former inmates and other marginalized people in the protests. But it is obvious to any more or less sane person that tens of thousands of Protestants in Minsk cannot be only unemployed and convicts. According to official statistics, at the time of the Maidan about 10 thousand unemployed were registered in the Republic of Belarus, even if adjusted for unregistered there were 15 times more - about 150 thousand.However, in the first days of the White Maidan, more than 100 thousand protesters immediately took to the streets of Minsk alone. , which somewhat shaken Bat'kin's thesis about loafers and parasites.

As a result, Lukashenka had to correct his statements. In an interview with Russian journalists, he stated:

It looks like an element of a petty-bourgeois revolution, we have bourgeois people, we have rich people, we have IT specialists, whom I created with these hands, providing them with conditions that no one else can provide better. These new categories live well ... in mansions ... and they wanted power.

They don't go to the Maidan because of a bad life


And here dad cannot be denied justice. Belomaidan once again confirmed the many times proven statement that no one comes out to protest from a bad life. They come out from good, with requirements even better. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And the Belarusians rushed along it in a crowd. After all, most of them were born already under Lukashenka and have never seen anything else. They have nothing to compare with. They do not realize that they have everything they have only thanks to the dad, thanks to his resourcefulness and unprincipledness, when, playing on the contradictions between the West and the Russian Federation, he knocked out the financing of the Republic of Belarus from the Russian budget. And now China is also included in this row of external creditors. When they bawl in a crowd: “Father, go away! Tired for 26 years! ”, It would be nice to think about what will happen next?

It would be nice for our clear-eyed regime-rulers to look at the sad experience of Ukraine, which came out 6 years ago behind lace panties and is now swallowing dust in a dirty ditch on the side of a European supermarket. Now Ukrainians live much worse than under the Crime Panda regime, that's all they have achieved. Why don't they go out to the Maidan now? The answer is simple - today there is no time for Maidans, everyone survives as best he can, fleeing alone. But naive Belarusians follow other people's rakes, not noticing them, naively believing that they have their own unique path. Yeah of course! Its unique path into the abyss, where Ukrainians, Libyans, Iraqis, Syrians, Armenians, Kyrgyz, Yugoslavs, who, with the help of the United States, have ruined their countries, some even to the ground (SFRY, Libyan Jamahiriya, Iraq) are already sitting and not buzzing. And even those who have made it to the happy European supermarket are now trampling on in the waiting room, having lost and buried their industry and agriculture on the way to it, at the request of the new owners, looking sadly at the beautiful showcases that you can look at, but you cannot touch them with your hands ... I'm talking about Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, the Baltic States and even Greece. Do you dream about it, friends?

But friends are not accustomed to think, although each has reached great heights in his field. They think locally, each within its own corridor. After all, those brethren were still gathered there. The Russian Federation began to pay attention to Belarus in the sphere of high of technologies only after the astonishing discovery that not only condensed milk, potatoes and apples, but also MAPS.ME, Masquerade, World of Tanks, EPAM, Viber are the products of the “daddy-collective farmer”. The secret to success was simple - политическая the will of the dictator plus full exemption from taxes, which were replaced by a 1% tax on the proceeds. As a result, Silicon Valley, which gives $ 2,3 billion in export of computer services, appeared in Belarus, with which almost a third of the Fortune Global 200 companies work. The valley, which gives 6,4% of GDP, and all on its own. Another confirmation of the truth that our people are talented, and their creative powers, with the correct organization of the case, are inexhaustible!

But the history of the collapse of the USSR clearly showed that techies - people who are very smart in their fields - turn out to be extremely stupid in matters of social and political. Inhabitants of the campuses, the most consistent supporters of market relations, were the first to join the ranks of the market traders of socks when the real market in all its glory came to Russia. So the Belarusian IT young growth firmly believes that if you get rid of the “last dictator of Europe”, the whole country will heal no worse than Switzerland. However, this is also the fault of Lukashenko himself, who did not work with this public, focusing all his attention on workers, collective farmers, teachers and engineers.

NEP mana on the barricades


As a result, we saw all these friends at Belomaidan. But not alone. Seeing how the Belomaidan, which was not supported by state-owned enterprises (they were stupidly fired for this business, was fading away!), Some private shopkeepers and other petty-bourgeois elements also joined the actions for 1 day (September 16 - National Solidarity Day). All kinds of cafes, bars, shops, printing centers, travel agencies, photo studios and even some IT companies are already official.

In this way, we want to express our disagreement with the violence and support the striking workers of state enterprises who have shown their civil position

- the ZNWR clothing store comments on its decision.

Some companies did not announce about joining the Day of Solidarity, but closed on a sanitary day or stocktaking. The “Eternal Summer” cafe on Kiseleva Street announced a non-working day on Wednesday.

One day of lost profit is not a big deal. It's scary to live in a land of lawlessness and violence

- said in the announcement on the doors of the institution.

The Soul Kitchen cafe announced its joining the Day of Solidarity in its social networks. The TNT rock club closed. Hana, how are we without him ?! The pizzeria "Zero Zero Minsk" also announced a non-working day. In social networks, they wrote that they are not working in support of the Day of Solidarity.

Also on this day, the art space and bar “Lo-Fi Social Club”, bar “BackDoor”, food truck “Elephant Bagel”, vegan shop “ECOkit”, coffee shop “Kitchen Coffee Roasters” were closed. Clothing store LSTR on social media announced that it will close for redistribution on September 16. A clothing store “ADEPT”, showroom “The Young Clothes”, showroom “Nine 22” announced their joining to the Day of Solidarity in social networks.

At first, we thought that the system would not notice the closure of a small air business on the day, - says the announcement in the account of the boomballoon.by balloon store. - And then we decided that every step from every person is important. After all, this is the only way to run towards the goal: step by step. We are in solidarity with the strikers and decided not to work on September 16.

Also on Wednesday the tattoo studio "DOPEINK" did not work.

Stop work - stop the violence

- they wrote on their Instagram profile.

The PhotoSquat Center also joined the Solidarity Day on September 16. Also among the unemployed - the studio of architecture and design "Good Project". The day of solidarity on September 16 was announced by the cycle magazine "Urbanoid". On this day, his site was not working, a thematic stub was published on it. The dress rental studio "Love Dress Magic" has also joined the Day of Solidarity.

In addition, the action was attended by the handmade gift shop “Mushi Shop”, the home goods store “Misterdom Minsk” (it was noted in the social networks of the store that the store would not work due to the technical work of the cash register equipment), the nail salon “The Kitchen” (closed on a cleaning day), a printing cooperative "Leaflet", a printing house "Druk-S" (closed due to sanitary and preventive measures), a foodybox.by packaging store (closed for revaluation), a tour selection service "BigTrip". Also, in connection with the national strike, all employees of the IT-company Programming Components took a day off on account of vacation.

In this regard, I have only one question: "Guys, who are you all such in general?" A pimple in one place of world capitalism, and still there - to blame the dictators.
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 08: 48
    -10 qualifying.
    In this regard, I have only one question: "Guys, who are you all such in general?" A pimple in one place of world capitalism, and still there - to blame the dictators.

    They are the ones who really work, and do not scribble pretentious articles exposing the "rotten opposition"))
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 09: 45
      +3
      how can they live without coffee, tattoos, a vegan shop and dresses for rent? and without a tour in quarantine, it's a nightmare))) if the author had not mentioned, no one would have noticed ...
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 09: 51
        -7
        They will live hard. And most importantly, it will be hard for the state, which is from these very "cafes, tattoo parlors, etc." receives real taxes.
        1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
          Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 09: 54
          +3
          dad gets real taxes on the smuggling of Ukrainian shit under the guise of Belarusian goods. but from the fact that someone does not pin on their own s ... "freedom pilipchuk" the state will not collapse.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 10: 00
            -7
            If we were talking about a few small businesses - yes, it will not fall apart. But if hundreds of enterprises across the country are closed or completely shut down, the damage is completely different.
            1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
              Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 10: 11
              +1
              such when Lenin shot all the farmers and industrialists? such when Khrushchev destroyed Stalin's artels or when Medvedev, with his changes, forced almost all small and medium-sized businesses to go into the shadows? on ukromaydan businessmen also rode, then bit their elbows. only the horses will be worse. some will disappear and others will come in their place, and the rest will crawl into their holes ..
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 10: 28
                -5
                such when Lenin shot all the farmers and industrialists? such when Khrushchev destroyed Stalin's artels or when Medvedev, with his changes, forced almost all small and medium-sized businesses to go into the shadows?

                Right. In all these examples (I just don’t know about Stalin’s artels, it’s difficult for me to judge) the economic situation became not very good. Not so much that the same Lenin, for example, after the courage of "war communism" then partially restored small and medium-sized businesses during the NEP period. Otherwise, the situation in the USSR would have become generally catastrophic.

                only the horses will be worse. some will disappear and others will take their place

                The fact of the matter is that others may not come. In a country with a semi-Soviet stagnating economy, there may simply not be "businessmen to replace".
                1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                  Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 10: 30
                  +1
                  Lenin himself covered the NEP. this is the first. and secondly Belarus is kept on handouts from Russia. If someone puts dad on his knees, it will be Siluanov and not Pilipchuk.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 10: 52
                    -4
                    Lenin himself covered NEP

                    Oh, another turbo patriot who doesn't know the history of his own country. The NEP was not covered by Lenin, but by your adored Stalin.

                    and secondly Belarus is kept on handouts from Russia.

                    Even if Belarus receives its main income from Russian handouts, the massive closure of small and medium-sized enterprises is an additional factor that significantly complicates the economic state of the state.

                    The economy (and, accordingly, domestic politics) depends much more on "small shopkeepers". than imagine you and the author of this opus, which is called "article".
                    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 10: 57
                      +2
                      If you don't know about Stalin's artels, then don't tell me about Lenin's NEP))) Don't compare Belarus with Luxembourg. whose economy is based on bakeries, tattoo parlors and souvenirs.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 11: 06
                        -3
                        If you don't know about Stalin's artels, then don't tell me about Lenin's NEP)))

                        Lenin died in 1924, the NEP began to be phased out from 1925-26, finally finishing off in 1928-29.

                        If Lenin could govern the country after his death - then ok, I have no more questions.

                        Do not compare Belarus with Luxembourg. whose economy is based on bakeries, tattoo parlors and souvenirs.

                        What's on your forehead, what's on your forehead, right? I did not say that the economy of Belarus is based exclusively on small enterprises.

                        It seems that all turbo patriots have trouble with reading and reading comprehension.
                      2. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 11: 08
                        -1
                        what patriots?))) to me your Belarusians are alive and dead, just not to stink.
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 11: 09
                        -3
                        what patriots?)))

                        All Russian turbo patriots.
                      4. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 11: 22
                        +1
                        Well, it's you already refer to ukram))) they consider themselves Russian more than the Russians themselves. Unlike you, I consider myself Russian, I am not sick with tolerance and the problems of Ukrainians, Belarusians and blacks do not interest me. nationality is not only knowledge of the language but also the mentality. The Belarusians with the Ukrainians felt good with the Poles, and I felt good with the Turks, Azerbaijanis, Tatars and Kazakhs. and I prefer not dumplings with potatoes, but beshbarmak with lamb.
                      5. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 11: 54
                        -3
                        Unlike you, I consider myself Russian

                        Only the history of your country sucks you know.

                        I'm not sick with tolerance

                        Yes, you have bigger problems.
                      6. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 12: 01
                        0
                        Only the history of your country sucks you know.

                        In general, one lesson was devoted to NEP. Under the USSR. My country is large and it is more than one thousand years old. a couple of decades, the Sabbath of Jews and Balts at the head of Russia could have missed.
                      7. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 12: 03
                        -3
                        In general, one lesson was devoted to NEP.

                        And religion does not allow you to read more, does it?) It seems that all your knowledge about the history of Russia is only limited to the school course.

                      8. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 12: 09
                        0
                        Why should I read about the NEP? Maybe I was more interested in Peter the Great or Catherine the Great. Lenin was never interesting to me. And I do not share the joy of deporting Russian scientists with one suitcase with all sorts of individuals. And don't tell me about the experience.
                      9. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 12: 13
                        -3
                        Why should I read about the NEP?

                        Then why are you trying to talk about what you do not understand? You cited Lenin (and also Khrushchev and Medvedev) as an example, not me.

                        By the way, thanks for the good examples to support my point.

                        And I do not share the joy of deporting Russian scientists with one suitcase with all sorts of individuals.

                        So I do not share. But such deportations will now begin in Belarus.

                        And don't tell me about the experience.

                        So you're talking about yours, not me :)

                        Why are you in general this conversation about "tolerant" brought - I do not understand. I didn't say anything about them at all.
                      10. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 12: 20
                        0
                        So I do not share. But such deportations will now begin in Belarus.

                        I don't give a damn about them))) their MTZ, Belaz, Maz, etc. are by no means a masterpiece of modern engineering, but only small modernizations of what was developed during the Soviet era. from this "deportation" no one will get rich like the Americans in Sikorsky. the neighbors will only get skilled workers, not talented developers.
                      11. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 12: 24
                        -2
                        My initial comment was not about this at all. Why are you doing this?
                      12. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 12: 29
                        0
                        maybe it just gets bad? even if the bow of these violent shopkeepers hangs in the center of Minsk, Belarus will not go anywhere and the problems will not be fatal and temporary. all normal states went through similar cleansing operations, except those artificially created by the Bolsheviks. and if they disappear then so be it. no place for them under the sun.
                      13. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 13: 29
                        -4
                        all normal states went through similar cleansing

                        When they went through this, they had an economic downturn. They will survive, of course, but this might not have happened, had the leadership of Belarus been more adequate.
                      14. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 13: 45
                        +2
                        I remind you once again ... I don't have a headache for Belarus. this is not Russia and Belarusians are not Russian. as fat to eat in one mug, so Belarusians (Ukrainians) and as a muzzle in the shit so Russian. forward into a bright future following the Poles and Balts. our paths diverged 30 years ago.
                      15. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 14: 25
                        0
                        In the article and in my commentary, there was not a word about the relationship between Russia and Belarus.
                      16. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 14: 30
                        0
                        chat hunting? I don’t know any Belarus. there is Belarus. and my relationship with Belarusians ended when I replaced the Belarusian starter with a Russian one in my car. I take Bashkir potatoes, Vologda oil, Turkish tangerines, and the car is currently Japanese. so I remind you again. me your Belarusians are neither alive nor carcass. at least let him remove the onion from them.
                      17. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 14: 47
                        -2
                        I don’t know any Belarus

                        This is the official name of the country - the Republic of Belarus. If you do not even know this, then what can I say.

                      18. Sergey Tokarev Offline Sergey Tokarev
                        Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 30 September 2020 14: 51
                        0
                        Are you interested in the economy of Bellrussia? do it. I, like most, are indifferent to it. kamaz has already begun to replace mazu for the army and we will deal with the rest of the consumer goods. and you don't need to prove anything to me. to me they are not brothers, not relatives and in general no one. if the Ukrainians want to be called Rus in spite of Moscow, should I call them Rus?
                      19. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 14: 54
                        0
                        do it. I, like most, are indifferent to it.

                        Did I ask you about her at all? No. It was you, allegedly not interested in this country, who decided to insert your "very valuable opinion" under my comment.
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  2. Tatyana Offline Tatyana
    Tatyana 30 September 2020 20: 01
    +1
    Quote: Cyril
    The economy (and, accordingly, domestic politics) depends much more on "small shopkeepers". than imagine you and the author of this opus, which is called "article".

    Let me remind you that it was the LITTLE SHOPPERS who were originally the unifying support for the creation of Hitler's Nazi party in Germany, until Hitler was noticed by the US special services and brought him to power.
    How it all ended for the LITTLE SHOPPERS and for Hitler himself, as well as for all of Germany in 1945, everyone has long known!
    In the American camps alone - after the end of WWII - up to 1 million German prisoners of war (German men) died from starvation in the open air and on bare ground. It's not even in animal conditions, because the owners always at least fed and watered the animals!

    Stalin for you - small shopkeepers and Nepmen - is not enough, and not that Lukashenko!
  • King3214 Offline King3214
    King3214 (Sergius) 30 September 2020 12: 30
    +2
    1% like from IT-schnick? Cool tax!
    The capitalists of the West are glad that Belarus is reducing THEIR costs (namely, the entire IT-sphere of Belarus works to the West). And due to what is the compensation for the lost taxes in Belarus itself? At the expense of Russia, as usual.
    Russia must return Belarus to the same economic conditions as all CIS countries.
  • Olegek Offline Olegek
    Olegek (Oleg) 30 September 2020 08: 59
    -3
    The life of a simple lukashist is hard and unsightly
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2020 09: 07
    0
    Yes. About the 33 heroes, about their slaughtered and buried, and how the urya-patriots were in a race in a hurry to dislodge and milk the dad, no one remembers bashfully ...
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 30 September 2020 09: 50
    +2
    This entire public is exactly the ones who should be the first to close in the event of a coronavirus quarantine. I wonder if Lukashenka had introduced quarantine in the spring, would they have held the same zealous rally?
  • gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 September 2020 09: 52
    -2
    I still did not understand ... -what did the author want to say ...
    - Some small firms in Belarus:

    tattoo studio "DOPEINK", "handmade gift shop" Mushi Shop ""; home goods store "Misterdom Minsk"; BackDoor Bar, Elephant Bagel Food Truck, ECOkit Vegan Shop, Kitchen Coffee Roasters. LSTR clothing store; dress rental studio "Love Dress Magic"; nail salon "The Kitchen"; architecture and design studio "Good Project"; pizzeria "Zero Zero Minsk"

    and so on and so on ... -And this is definitely all in Belarus ??? - Judging by the "names" ... -that ... not give - do not take the "Broadway theme" ... -or the center of New York ... - Or these "firms" are already preparing there ... - " to Europe "," to America "...
    - Well, what did these "formidable firms" do ??? -Decided to "frostbite his ears for evil" ... - already for the whole day to arrange an "extraordinary day off" ??? - Well ???
    - Eh, I don’t want to repeat myself ... -but all these "strikers" are the "small assistants" of Batka Lo (Lukashenko) himself ... the overwhelming majority of all residents of Belarus ... - And this majority already associates itself with the West and America ... - just sees itself as part of the West ... - strives there ... - And this majority does not even want to realize the whole danger of its fate; what will happen next ... -But this is a completely "different topic" ...
    - Still I repeat:
    -And it is precisely on the active support of "this majority" that Lo (Lukashenko) is counting ... -When, after the election of the "new president" of the United States ... - he (Lukashenko) will easily go over to the side of the West ... - and go under the wing USA; under the wing of NATO and so on ... - It's just that Russia will lose catastrophically here if it does not eliminate Law in the very near future ...
  • King3214 Offline King3214
    King3214 (Sergius) 30 September 2020 12: 11
    +3
    So, even the local Belarusian business believes that taxes in the country are not high, but there is a lot of profit (if they are ready to give up profit so easily, then their actions simply cannot be interpreted otherwise).
    The question - why do they also have Russia granting them benefits and preferences when accessing the Russian market? I don't understand at all? Belarus should be in exactly the same conditions as other CIS countries and no more.
    And nothing more than that, without concrete actions on the part of Belarus in favor of Russia.
    Russia has built a full-fledged military base in Belarus, reduced excise taxes to the current level, and not vice versa. First, the real affairs of Belarus in favor of Russia and only after the end of the process - a preference. Lukashenko proved that paying for his promise is just throwing money away.
  • Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 14: 28
    -3
    Belomaidan once again confirmed the many times proven statement that no one comes out to protest from a bad life. They come out from good, with requirements even better.

    And, that is, the revolution of 1905, the revolution of 1917 - these are the protests of fat, snickering peasants and workers, bathing in luxury, but demanding more?)

    I would like to wish the author to be in the Russian Empire at the beginning of the 20th century as a peasant.
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 30 September 2020 19: 05
      +1
      Quote: Cyril
      And, that is, the revolution of 1905, the revolution of 1917 is

      If it were not for the betrayal of the elites, who wanted power for themselves (though they did not manage to get it), Lenin would have died somewhere in Switzerland and now no one would remember where his grave is.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 30 September 2020 20: 04
        -3
        If only ... the question was simple - the revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were protests of peasants and workers from a good life, as the author claims? Well no?
        1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
          Dart2027 30 September 2020 22: 58
          0
          Quote: Cyril
          revolutions of 1905 and 1917

          Quote: Dart2027
          If not for the betrayal of the elites who wanted power for themselves

          In plain text, all this was organized not by the workers or even the Bolsheviks, but by the generals and ministers. This is a simple answer.
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 1 October 2020 00: 07
            -1
            That is, you say that the peasants, the workers. the soldiers in these revolutions acted just like that, and not because of their oppressed position, senseless war for them, etc.?

            Ok, this is something new in historiography.
            1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
              Dart2027 1 October 2020 19: 14
              0
              Quote: Cyril
              and not because of their oppressed position

              They had money for weapons, but not for life?

              Quote: Cyril
              Ok, this is something new in historiography.

              Already 20 years as not new. It is enough to read the rhetoric of all kinds of fighters for all good.
              1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                Cyril (Kirill) 1 October 2020 19: 37
                0
                They had money for weapons, but not for life?

                The 1905 revolution was relatively peaceful.

                And in 1917, not only workers and peasants, but also soldiers took part in the revolution. To whom the weapon was issued free of charge.

                Well, buying a gun and cartridges once is inexpensive. It's not like living a half-slave position all your life.

                It is enough to read the rhetoric of all kinds of fighters for all good.

                How does this rhetoric relate to the revolutions of 1905 and 1917?
                1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                  Dart2027 2 October 2020 18: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Cyril
                  The 1905 revolution was relatively peaceful.

                  True? But I remember about the battles that lasted quite a long time, and from the Soviet history course.

                  Quote: Cyril
                  And in 1917, not only workers and peasants took part in the revolution

                  but also ministers, deputies, generals, etc. True, then they greatly regretted this, which, by the way, I already wrote about.

                  Quote: Cyril
                  How does this rhetoric relate to the revolutions of 1905 and 1917?

                  The fact that it is the same.
                  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                    Cyril (Kirill) 11 October 2020 14: 30
                    0
                    True? But I remember about the battles that lasted quite a long time, and from the Soviet history course.

                    I wrote "relatively peaceful". In 1905-07, there was no civil war in RI.

                    but also ministers, deputies, generals, etc. True, then they greatly regretted this, which, by the way, I already wrote about.

                    That's right, they did. But how does this cancel out the protests of the peasants and workers themselves?

                    The fact that it is the same.

                    What is the same? And if it is the same, then for the simple reason that it is caused by the same or similar reasons.
                    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                      Dart2027 11 October 2020 16: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Cyril
                      I wrote "relatively peaceful".

                      All in all I had to shoot with the participation of the guards.

                      Quote: Cyril
                      But how does this cancel out the protests of the peasants and workers themselves?

                      Which were provoked by the creation of a shortage of bread in the capital. In any case, if it were not for the traitors at the top, all actions could be suppressed in the bud.

                      Quote: Cyril
                      What is the same? And if it is the same, then for the simple reason that

                      All revolutionaries work according to the same methodology.
                      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 11 October 2020 17: 12
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                        All in all I had to shoot with the participation of the guards.

                        However, compared to a full-fledged civil war like in 1917, it is not comparable.

                        Which were provoked by the creation of a shortage of bread in the capital. In any case, if it were not for the traitors at the top, all actions could be suppressed in the bud.

                        Bread shortage in the country was the "last straw", not the reason

                        All revolutionaries work according to the same methodology.

                        No. It's just that all revolutions are based on the same historical processes.
                      2. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                        Dart2027 12 October 2020 10: 54
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                        Quote: Cyril
                        compared to a full-fledged civil war like in 1917
                        Which began after the revolutionaries overthrew the tsar and destroyed the state apparatus.

                        Quote: Cyril
                        Bread shortage in the country

                        Not in the country, but in the capital.

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                        not a reason

                        The reason was that some individuals were eager for power.

                        Quote: Cyril
                        It's just that all revolutions are based on

                        Desire to sit on the throne ourselves.
                      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
                        Cyril (Kirill) 12 October 2020 11: 06
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                        Desire to sit on the throne ourselves.

                        That's just to sit on the throne (steadily) without the support of the broad masses of the population is impossible. Consequently, there was support from the broad masses of the population. Consequently, there were also fundamental social problems that led to this support.

                        Revolutions are not made by someone from scratch. Any revolution is based on social contradictions. If there are no such contradictions in the country, even if you break your head, you will not be able to organize a revolution.

                        But this

                        The reason was that some individuals were eager for power.

                        - not a cause, but an effect.
                      4. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                        Dart2027 12 October 2020 14: 36
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                        Quote: Cyril
                        Just take the throne (steadily) without the support of the broad masses of the population

                        can be easily and naturally. The main thing is to control the capital and negotiate with the local elites.

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                        If the country does not have these contradictions

                        then this is the country that Machiavelli wrote about

                        Knowing that many have written about this, I fear that I might be considered presumptuous because, having chosen the same subject, in its interpretation I most of all disagree with others. But, having the intention to write something useful for people who understand, I chose to follow the truth, not imaginary, but real - unlike those many who depicted republics and states, which in reality no one knew or saw.

                        Or as Mikhalkov wrote

                        You can't please all friends

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                        not cause but effect

                        The fact that some individuals dream of power at any cost is the reality of life.
  • Petr Vladimirovich (Peter) 30 September 2020 16: 20
    0
    Everything will be OK. About five years ago, a bus station was built in the area near the exit from the Moscow Ring Road. Now you walk along this street (I walk, there is a farmer's shop) entirely international luxury buses. Banners on the front - all fraternal Ukraine ...
  • Sidor sidorini Offline Sidor sidorini
    Sidor sidorini (Sidor) 30 September 2020 18: 04
    +7
    To be honest, it is difficult for a normal person to understand people who are ready for anything because Lukashenka is tired of
    Any other arguments, such as a drop in living standards, authoritarianism, are simply not serious.
    People do not even understand what they are really doing, the level of their erudition ends with a mantra about democracy and justice.
    Outwardly, they resemble a crowd drugged with a psychotropic drug.
  • Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 30 September 2020 18: 16
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    The mustache himself is to blame for everything with his brainlessness and impudence. The collective farmer turned out to be a man of a small mind, of a treacherous nature with the habits of a blackmailer.
  • RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 30 September 2020 20: 59
    +3
    The hucksters are the same everywhere - for the sake of profit, they will sell their mother too, and the country will fall apart, there is nothing sacred for them, there is only one conclusion - to kill traitors, but a holy place is never empty ...