What has the country come to for 6 years: a Ukrainian told about what is happening in the "Square"


We thought it was the bottom, but we knocked from the bottom. There is no limit to degradation - under this motto Ukraine is moving towards its bright democratic future.


When we laugh at Americans, who do not know the capital of their own country, and their presidents confuse Austria with Australia, and Ukraine with Belarus, then we believe that this is humor, this should not be and cannot be. Maybe it should! The recent example of how the United States fought the covid by throwing corpses on it, did not teach you anything? There is also no medicine, there are only narrow specialists - if your ear hurts and you come to a doctor, he can easily send you to another, explaining that he is a specialist in the left ear, and your right one hurts. These are the fruits of the American educational system. They do not need smart people at all, there mind is equivalent to money, no money - no mind! A dull mass is much easier to manage.

They are guided by the same principles in the territories under their control, in all kinds of banana republics, such as Ukraine. Once she was proud of 100% literacy and high educational level of the population. Now it is completely useless. There is a general fooling of the younger generation. A country from a country of engineers and managers is turning into a country of illiterate swineherds who, apart from the National Anthem of Ukraine, know nothing. They are easier to manage. And why would future strawberry pickers and European sorting washers need higher mathematics? They don't need mathematics at all; arithmetic is enough! Pushkin and Tolstoy are also contraindicated. Read the ABC book and sing the Anthem of Ukraine from morning to evening, after which you go to the fields to pick strawberries, and to Italy to wipe the asses of local retirees. And who is lucky, he may even try himself in trading. Selling your own body, fortunately in the Rada, they are already discussing the possibility of legalizing prostitution and the gaming business, after which dreams of lace panties will become a reality. As they say, what they fought for, they ran into it! This is the fate of all bandustans, and Ukraine is no exception.

It is at home in the States and in England that they can apply the former advanced Soviet experience in building an educational system, quite rightly considering it the best in the world. In closed American and English colleges, selected children who can pay for it are taught in fact according to our teaching aids (just not according to our textbooks!). And the rest of negros and so will cost. You know how to put a signature - go ahead, to the pizza peddlers. And the Ukrainians are even worse, because they can't even afford pizza, well then, go to the front to fight Putin, because he is to blame for everything. At first I didn’t give a lace underwear, now I didn’t give education.

Do you think I'm kidding? And I would laugh if it wasn't true. On September 28, 2017, the law "On Education" adopted by the Rada entered into force in Ukraine, within the framework of which large-scale changes began in the country, affecting all areas of higher, secondary and primary schools. In particular, even in obtaining a secondary education guaranteed by the Constitution for all citizens of the country, radical changes have been outlined. Now even not everyone will get it.

The new Law of Ukraine from 2018 provides for the introduction of a three-level education. We started with the reform of the primary school, which should last 4 years and end in 2022 by transforming it into a “basic school”, where education will take place for five years. After that, from 2027, graduates of these schools will be able to continue their education already in "specialized schools", where they will receive specialized education for three years. At the end of each level, students will confirm their knowledge through state final certification (after the 4th grade through special monitoring, after the 9th through external independent testing).

As a result of this reform, for example, in the Kherson region until 2022 it is planned to reduce the number of secondary schools where children received complete secondary education, from 28 to 12. This is discussed in the "Strategic Plan for the Education Department of the Kherson City Council for 2020-2024". According to this plan, if on September 1, 2020, pupils from 10 Kherson schools went to 28th grade, then on September 1, 2021, the number of these schools should be reduced to 17, and on September 1, 2022 - to 12. schools. It does not say what to do with the teachers left without work, as well as about children who will have nowhere to go after the 9th grade. Although, there is nowhere, I think, by that time, prostitution has already been legalized. An old anecdote from the dashing 90s immediately comes to mind: “Well, tell us, as in your 16 years, and you are already a currency prostitute? How did you come to this life ?! - Well, what can I say, guys? Well, lucky, oh! ". Naturally, not everyone is so lucky.

Naturally, all this is carried out under the motto of cost optimization. It is correct, there is no need in a poor country to spend money on educating the population. A smart population is a headache for the government and a godsend for the Kremlin's spies. This is not why we made a revolution and stood on the Maidan so that Putin could brainwash and recruit our children with impunity. Yes, soon he will not get through to them, because they will not understand his "goat language". For this we are worried. Sad irony.

In my short life, this is the third time I wave my hand to Ukraine, when it once again sets off for Europe. And each time, this ferry, packed with an enthusiastic audience, bears back to the shore the next morning. Only yesterday these people, sailing away, showed me the middle finger and shouted "Glory to Ukraine!", And now they are yearning at the surf. Exhausted and wretched. They have to hide and find words of support ...

This is an allegory. The words belong to a certain Russian. The reality is even worse! And these are the words of a Ukrainian ... Volkonsky.
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  1. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 27 September 2020 10: 39
    10
    And this is just an "independent" degradation in the field of education, which has been turned into a "moronization factory" for the younger generations! request
    By no means all "our" Okrainsky "achievements" for the especially degenerative-destructive 6th post of "Euromaidans" and, in general, 29 quasi "nezalezhnye" years have been described by the Dear Author-Vladimir Volkonsky! And it’s impossible to list it in a short article.
    It is usually said that

    those who read books rule those who watch TV!

    But this does not apply to the "unreading" marginal rulers of "Ukraine", since "our" amerocolony (latent since 1991, from the Kholui "Belovezhsky report" to Bush Sr. EBN, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, and sincerely since the moment of " Maidan "in February 2014) and its" authorities "since 1991 have been completely controlled from the outside, the insidious mega-mercantile hucksters from Washington and its" European "branch in Brussels, alas!
    In Ukraine, since 1991, there has been a "paradoxical" situation when the educated majority of the working population deliberately robbed and deprived of means of subsistence, in every possible way spread rot and starvation, forced emigration, the uneducated kleptomarginal "elite" from the parasitic mafia clan of "privatizers" who seized power in the ex-Ukrainian SSR "(former Soviet careerists -" party management nomenklatura ", siloviks -" protectors "," noble "bandyugans and" risen "on big scams, shtetl swindlers) and their nationalist servants, consisting of very stupid and marginal sociopaths, any complex" menshovartist " (inferiority complex) "pot-bellied little things, who do not disdain robbery, looting and mass murder" nesvidomyh (do not support the destructive xenophobic aspirations of the bloodthirsty "w / Bandera" ghouls and the Ameroholuy colonization of their country carried out by them) "fellow citizens!
    The current deplorable state of "failed state Ukraine (a realistic summary of the Washington colonialists themselves!)" -a plundered and depressive "schenevmerla" without a future and with the Constitution that has been violated many times "Maidan", is caused precisely by 29 years of destructive anti-popular and anti-state "activities" all this "Ukrainian" oskotinivshis klepto "elite", dejectedly mooing and, in a race, fussily chomping at the "helm of power" (including 6 years of bloody klepto "power" of the current Maidan ameroholuyev-"educated", duped "victims of the TV" with, in fact, fictitious "higher education", which did not add one iota to them knowledge and intelligence)! wassat
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 27 September 2020 19: 47
      +6
      Comrade Pischak, your comment is longer than my article. "You should write novels, but you disinterestedly love the criminal investigation department ..." (film "Meeting place ..."). I put a plus!
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 27 September 2020 22: 03
        +2
        hi Comrade Volkonsky, Thank you for the Kind Words - Very Flattered! repeat
        In order to publish, selfishly earning a living from this, it is necessary to inform the publishers of the name and personal data, indirectly endangering the health and lives of my relatives, and they have already suffered enough because of me and have endured after the "Maidan override" ...
        Moreover, the "Maidan authorities" will not allow me to publish in the Ukrainian press and ukrnet now (even in the literary "movi" of the Poltava dialect, in which I was able to compose much more elegant, concise and "intelligible" than in Russian), and Such are the "publications on enemy resources" with the inevitable capture, "isbushka" will insert me "with the pen in the side" and "bast" in the line of the sentence. request
        I will write fiction novels after the Victory over Banderonazism and the Fashington occupiers, if I live. winked
        I always "dreamed" to write "such a book that I would like to read" - a kind of living, artistic-satirical, "recognizable portrait-cut of my era", like "12 chairs" (but without their "intermediate" boring lengths, so that it was good "aftertaste", "read in one breath" and at the same time "laughed until colic-cried until catharsis" -so myself "novelthe technical concept of success "came up with wink ).
        In Soviet (and early post-Soviet) times, he even made short plot sketches of funny incidents, spontaneous thoughts "on the subject" and observations "in life" for this, pondering the figures of the main characters, revealing their natures and "plot twists" ...
        I draw my current "inspiration" from the "vicissitudes" of our topical "Ukrainian life", the brutal "physics" of factory working days, reading literature and communicating with various "strata and camps" of the population of Ukraine and, in part, Belarus (including our emigrated compatriots) ... smile
        Creative inspiration to you, Vladimir! I always read with interest your Articles on the Reporter (and your page on chebarkul I always have it open in the browser, occasionally look there yes ), although I do not always fully share your Optimism!
        Health and well-being to you and your loved ones! And a peaceful sky for everyone !!!
        Sincerely!
        drinks
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 28 September 2020 14: 01
          +2
          we cannot be without optimism!
          1. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 28 September 2020 15: 03
            0
            Quote: Volkonsky
            we cannot be without optimism!

            hi Bravo, Vladimir! good Support! yes
  2. Debilization is good! There was still not enough for Bendera to make missiles and microcircuits!
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 27 September 2020 11: 13
    +2
    Two years ago a specialist with honors, instrumentation and automation came to our production site. And I accidentally asked how to determine where the temperature is and where the pressure is. He could not answer. He also does not know the unit of measurement. But he stubbornly applied for the post of master. Fortunately, he found another job and quit. I mean, our education can be no better than in Ukraine. Chubais has already stated that three classes of education are free. The rest should be paid. And Chubais is a prophet, whatever he says in the future comes true! So we will laugh at Ukraine when we put things in order with our education!
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 September 2020 11: 59
      13
      Chubais is not a prophet, he is a pest, a fascist Russophobe. Through the fault of the fascist reforms, the Chubais of the Russian Federation lost more people and money than during the Second World War. If 3 classes of education are enough for Russians, then 1,5 meters of hemp rope is enough for Chubais.
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 27 September 2020 19: 16
        +2
        And you, dear, do not scatter the state hemp ropes, otherwise you will still have to import it on all of them, it's easier to strangle it.
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 September 2020 21: 04
          +4
          If you take it upon yourself, you can at least drown it, I definitely won't object. Besides, such bullshit as a red rat still needs to be looked for. Fortunately for the Russian Federation there is not much of it in the Russian Federation, unfortunately it sits high.
    2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 27 September 2020 16: 25
      +5
      The mother-in-law (a chemist / biologist with a huge teaching experience) is now speaking from Gref on Sber's digital school self-study programs. Experienced teachers (of the same English) say "I could hardly disassemble these self-learning blocks for grade 5, the child will take it apart at home? Now, yeah!" Those. a working family, where mom and dad work, so that the family has enough to eat, they cannot physically sit with the child all the time, which means there will be goofs at the exit of such a self-school. And they from the "poor regions" do not need the Keldyshs and the Alferovs, the competition of the privileged class, which considers itself a single-tasking caste to manage and command the cattle. It's simple. And this is in Russia, just "non-brothers" came to strawberry / copied education a little earlier and that's all. The same thing awaits us with our Ministry of Defense.
  4. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 27 September 2020 11: 22
    +1
    Where has the country come to?

    The country came to the Polish fields to farm for a pittance. If not for Lukashenka, such a fate would have awaited the Belarusians.
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 27 September 2020 14: 48
      -14 qualifying.
      Far from for a pittance, and far from all are farm laborers in the fields. An EU visa is a great strength. There are qualifications and vacancies for it in the EU, then you will receive normal money. Ordinary Russians do not have such an opportunity. Their choice is easier: a guard, a courier (in large cities), a loader for 10 - 000 in the provinces. Yes, we pay a lot less on our fields than on Polish ones.
      Such a fate "... did not wait for the Belarusians ...", but still awaits. There, the regime is already bursting at all the seams. Talk to ordinary Belarusians, how many of them are ready to work in Europe, perhaps that's all. So, no need to go to them with your care, dear comrade, without you they will figure it out, somehow.
      1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 27 September 2020 23: 05
        +2
        here you are constantly confirming the idea that you have chosen the nickname correctly
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      2. Serg Kir Offline Serg Kir
        Serg Kir (Serg Kir) 6 October 2020 14: 48
        0
        And, no matter how unpleasant it was, but the comrade is right. Not noticing the log in our own eye, we are looking for a speck from a neighbor.
  5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 27 September 2020 11: 54
    +8
    Unfortunately, education in the Russian Federation is also sad. The unfortunate reformers ruined him in order. The level of graduates is degrading before our eyes, in the schools of the Russian Federation they no longer teach how to count in a column, and as a result, some graduates of secondary schools do not have enough mind to calculate in their mind the cost of travel in a minibus for several people.In addition, it seems that according to modern teachers in Russia children should be taught by parents. If I myself have to teach my child, then why the hell do we need teachers in schools to receive a salary ?!
  6. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
    Cudgel (Dubina) 27 September 2020 14: 42
    -15 qualifying.
    There are very strong doubts that the article was written with the words "Ukrainian". It looks more like a cheap propaganda campaign, the idea of ​​which, no matter how bad it is with us, is even worse in Ukraine. When I read this opus and saw who the author was, my doubts disappeared. Why was it necessary to write this opus in order to pull the trash heap of federal channels to this forum, so those who wish can watch Solovyov until they vomit.
    Author, next time write about a "simple Somali", how his pro-American government has ruined education in the country, it will be even more sentimental, and against their background we will be even more majestic!
    Where in the world ranking of universities of Moscow State University and PhysTech? Do children of American or European bureaucrats study at the Faculty of Mechanics and Mathematics at Moscow State University or do they study primates at PhysTech? But these are our best universities.
    You need to look in the mirror more often. And not to look for a speck in the eye of others.
    Look how many schools in the Russian Federation have closed over the past 20 years.
    1. Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
      Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 27 September 2020 14: 55
      +6
      In terms of PPP in GDP, Russia has overtaken Germany.
      This is THEIR data.
      No foreign agency will ever publish anything decent about Russia. And the fact that our schoolchildren have been taking gold at almost all world Olympics for the past few years, of course, speaks of the decline in education.
      And for sure - Russia is a dull village with minimal mortality from covid and the first vaccine.
      1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
        Cudgel (Dubina) 27 September 2020 17: 11
        -10 qualifying.
        Another Putin goof. More Germany and better quality cars and machine tools? Are salaries and benefits like in Germany? Whence PPP and GDP, and I will say, from Oreshkin, was this, the words were noted: "The economy showed negative growth." Listen more, the noodles are still on the wrong side of you. This is not "THEIR" data, this is Oreshkin's data.
        Yeah, everyone lies about us tight-lipped, the ratings of universities are underestimating, so that Russia - to offend mother. How many people want to study in Western universities and how many we have and who, all sorts of Zanzibar with Afnghans and that's it. And without ratings it is clear that higher and secondary education in the Russian Federation is degrading.
        Besides computer science, we show different results in all other disciplines. We are bypassed by China and the Americans, yes, Ukraine is in 4-5 place. Selecting five schoolchildren from physics, mathematics and other schools with a bias, and then train them somewhere in the Phystech, is not an indicator of mass education. KAMAZ is also Paris - Dakar wins, only now they buy, for some reason, Volvo and Man.
        We took the second place (team-wide) in 2010 and 2018 and the third in 2009. That's all the success in IMO (in mathematics). Smart children take gold, there are also geniuses, but we are not very good at team-wide places.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 27 September 2020 19: 57
      +6
      Comrade Dubina fully corresponds to her surname. In Ukraine, if you don't know, Soloviev is not shown, I quoted the Ukrainian edition, the figures from there. I can also attach the complaints of teachers who were left without jobs as a result of these reforms. Go wash the brains of others!
      1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 27 September 2020 20: 55
        +2
        Quote: Cudgel
        Far from for pennies and far from all are farm laborers in the fields. An EU visa is a great strength. There are qualifications and vacancies for it in the EU, then you will receive normal money ..

        Here's a visa in your pocket and all of Europe underfoot? Can you hear yourself? Have you tried it yourself? Or highly likely? And what is normal money for? Take off your pink glasses: an excursion is one thing; immigration is completely different

        Quote: Volkonsky
        Go wash the brains of others!
        Quote: Volkonsky
        Comrade The club is fully consistent with its ...!
        1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
          Cudgel (Dubina) 27 September 2020 22: 16
          -8
          They (Ukrainians) have a chance at least to get into the EU. And for our Vanya or Andryusha, in the case of a Moscow construction site for 40 or in the north for a little more money, that's the whole choice for the Russian province.
          Germany lacks 17 engineers every year in various fields. I am not talking about workers and service specialties. Yes, taxes are high if there are no dependents. But even after taxes, the salary is several times higher. Ukraine will become a member of the EU and then anyone will be able to study and work in Europe. And we have the Zero Scammer only guarantees the minimum wage.
          1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 28 September 2020 00: 50
            +4
            I see that you are worried, so I will repeat the question: have you tried it yourself or is it highly likely? Who told you that Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians are expected there in Europe? You have unique competencies?

            Quote: Cudgel
            They (Ukrainians) have a chance at least to get into the EU ..

            Especially among the fair sex, this is not a banter, unfortunately. Ready to scrub toilets? Do I need to go somewhere for this? Sit down and talk to the Airwalkers under a glass of snacks - the picture may clear up a little
            Excursion is one thing, immigration is another
            1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 28 September 2020 12: 04
              -5
              I have not tried it myself, Europe is not very attractive. But there are friends and acquaintances who live and or work there. Two examples.
              1. Family of three, 140 km from Munich, she does not work, he is a car mechanic, a child of 5 years old. Salary 4 Euro, an apartment from the municipality, a child in a kindergarten (all free). Taxes at the lowest rate. Now let's imagine this family in the province, somewhere 000 km from Nizhny Novgorod. I think I would live on the brink of poverty.
              2. The guy from Moscow, the hard one pulled him into Germanic. In Moscow in C #, he received 90 in his hands. His family stayed here and there he was "listed" as a familyless one, which immediately raised the tax rate for him. They slapped him, I don't remember exactly, but something about 000%. I got it in my hands, with our money 50. A year suffered and returned. From Moscow, with a high salary, it makes no sense to go to work in such an expensive country as Germany, if alone, without a wife and family.
              That you are addicted to toilets. No one there scrubbing toilets, they work as plumbers, like here. A Belarusian and a Ukrainian made a sewage system for me twice. Only here they receive less than in Europe. The salary for electricians and plumbers in Europe is large. And besides, every profession is honorable.
              Well, our ladies also prefer to trade in Europe. And probably there are no less of them there than Ukrainian and Belarusian women. Our Russian Internet will soon swell from the number of escort agencies.
              1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 28 September 2020 12: 34
                +3
                I still wildly apologize - and in points 1/2 do you advertise how to have a social security system of the country that has sheltered? I am sure that you will achieve "respect" from the natives: those who live on help will see competitors, and those who do not receive help will sincerely be glad to freeloaders. And you are absolutely right - any work is important and deserves respect, especially if taxes are paid, if social activities are not raped, if ..., if a lot.

                Quote: Cudgel
                with a high salary, there is no point in going to work in such an expensive country as Germany, if alone, without a wife and family.

                Here's a reasonable thought, only I would use the definition sufficient salary: all people are different, situations are different, requests are different and concept sufficient also different.
                I'm sorry I don't believe in fairy tales about a happy life on the aid, you know experience.
                1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                  Cudgel (Dubina) 28 September 2020 15: 31
                  -4
                  How is it "to fuck", his family is officially supposed to receive such payments and he receives them. He does not deceive local bureaucrats. He is an immigrant, perhaps part of the benefits because of this. If you were entitled to Putin's 10 per child - a month, you did not refuse them, and so is he.
                  Do the locals like it, I think at least not against it. These are the backbones from the east, and the ethnic German. Moreover, he works, does not sit on benefits. You are not annoyed that retirees receive a pension and maternity maternity.
                  We are not talking about "sufficient salary" now, perhaps he does not like his current salary and he wants to get 20 times more. And we are talking about comparing the same situation here in Russia at a distance of 140 km from large cities. You will not argue that in the Russian Federation his family would be on the verge of poverty.
                  What kind of allowance, a person works, receives a salary, and from the "native" state, something falls. Only in our country it would be shish and kumysh, and in Germany, albeit small, but still help.
                  It annoys me more that professional (mostly) loafers, all sorts of security officials and warriors, receive a bunch of benefits for themselves and their families, plus a relatively large salary and a pension of 40-50. Benefits, suppose there should be, well, who is there in the holes and in the north serves. But the benefits for them and their families in Moscow or Moscow region or in central Russia, why are you afraid? I have examples of retirement at 38. A bribe to a personnel officer and to Malaya Zemlya or for the Arctic Circle, for length of service.
                  1. Pete mitchell Offline Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell (Pete Mitchell) 28 September 2020 21: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Cudgel
                    How is it "to fuck", his family is officially supposed to receive such payments and he receives them. He does not deceive local bureaucrats.

                    I will wildly apologize, but you yourself lived there? It's a little difficult for me to talk about this - in recent years I have lived and worked in four European countries, in three old ones, on a permanent basis: I never received anything from the State, it did not work out, I didn’t come out on a level. They are not happy there for those who at least somehow arrived and immediately have a system, they are not happy. Therefore, the legislation is changing. Migrants to Vaterland is a slightly different story. But believe me - all Europeans are tired of freeloaders for a long time, only tolerance hammered into the brain keeps them from expressing emotions, well, and congenital infaltility, although after a decent drink ...
                    Have you served? Don't touch the servicemen, they are treated like that everywhere, especially since they are a very meager part of the population. Nobody, after all, nobody is outraged that amerovskie soldiers actually live tax free.
              2. Dear sofa expert. 28 September 2020 13: 38
                +5
                Family of three, 140 km from Munich, she does not work, he is a car mechanic, a child of 5 years old. Salary 4 Euro, an apartment from the municipality, a child in a kindergarten (all free). Taxes at the lowest rate.

                Auto mechanic 4000 €? You may not even dream. Maximum 2800-3000 € gross.
                After deductions (with a minimum 3rd tax class) somewhere between 2100-2250 € net (on hand). For three people. this is not enough for life in Germany - this is the bottom.
                Apartment from the municipality - Social housing? Well, it is also not free (not even cheap, I would say) for someone who earns 2250 € / month. What's the catch?

                In short, there are a lot of emotions in your posts, but they are of little use.
                1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                  Cudgel (Dubina) 28 September 2020 14: 48
                  -4
                  I myself am surprised that 4000 should be 2400 - 2600. But that is, that is, yes, a guy without VO. He graduated from some college here as an auto mechanic, that is, he works in his profile. Himself from near Samara, ethnic German. I won't say exactly about taxes, but minimal. I was surprised that they are being taxed. True, then they return more than they took. This is not ours, where the allowance is 10 and the pension is 000, but they only take direct taxes of about 12%.
                  Housing is not social, the municipality pays, if you rent it, then 450 euros would cost housing. Perhaps due to the fact that he is a migrant. In Berlin for this money - a bug, in Munich I think too. But where he lives very decently. Such a nice three-story house with two entrances. Like our cottages near Moscow for the average cost. There are two apartments on the floor.
                  What a way of conjecturing all the garbage, about the bottom. The wife does not work because the husband earns relatively well.
                  1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                    Cudgel (Dubina) 28 September 2020 14: 52
                    -4
                    4000 may be due to the fact that Bavaria, an expensive province and, accordingly, the salary is higher. Yes, it works not in Munich itself, but near Munich, 100 km from the house.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 28 September 2020 19: 53
                      +3
                      https://www.gehaltsvergleich.com/gehalt/KFZ-Mechatroniker-in/Bayern

                      Oh, don't you do the brain here. Look, read it yourself, if you don't trust me:

                      https://www.gehaltsvergleich.com/gehalt/KFZ-Mechatroniker-in/Bayern

                      Housing is not social, the municipality pays, if you rent it, then 450 Euros would cost housing. Perhaps due to the fact that he is a migrant.

                      Yeah, he laughed heartily)) And if I were a migrant from Ukraine, I would probably also have paid a couple of hundred in addition to the apartment, right?)))

                      What a way of conjecturing all the garbage, about the bottom. The wife does not work because the husband earns relatively well.

                      You speculate garbage, because you do not know. And I know what I'm talking about.
                      A salary of about 2000 € net is a normal (not bad) salary for a German worker. But to live on this salary three of us, and even in Bavaria - this is the bottom, where no one will knock you from below. Therefore, do not listen to all sorts of tales about "heaven beyond the hill", and even more so do not take this heresy further to the public. And do not look here on the site for someone even worse than yourself. Here the audience basically understands what, where and how.
                      1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 28 September 2020 20: 38
                        -3
                        Looked at your link. Interesting right. Now I know the average salary of a car mechanic in Germany.
                        You misinterpreted the salary table, they give them in quartiles (this is from statistics), to be honest, this is the first time I come across such a salary. The average salary in the table is like ours and everything is clear. But the quartile q1 and q3 (table heading) is not the minimum and maximum salary, but somewhat different. q1 tells us that a quarter of all salaries in this profession are not more than 2246 euros (in Munich) and maybe 1000, 1200, 2200, but not more than 2246.q3 - a quarter of all salaries are not lower than 3348, that is, it can also be 4000 and 4500 and 3350.
                        There is the same plate or a similar one already translated into Russian, where the quartiles are replaced by the minimum and maximum salary, which is an error.
                        That is, "my car mechanic" can receive 4000 euros in Bavaria.

                        Here is the link:

                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e05b8c75d6c4b00b2db3e4b/zarplaty-avtomehanikov-v-germanii-5e7ae8322661215f27fcf77f?utm_source=serp

                        This link, of course not the ultimate truth, but nevertheless looks like your link. There the title of the salary plate for the car mechanic is not translated correctly min., Average and max. RFP, not quartiles. But there is a line like this in the text:

                        ... The lowest-paid specialists are located in the eastern part of the country and this will be shown in the table below, and in Germany as a whole, the average salaries of auto craftsmen are approximately as follows:
                        Among the low payments, the amount is fixed at about 1 € per month;
                        On average in Germany 2 329 € per month;
                        Highly paid masters receive 3 318 € per month or more ...

                        That is, there is a recipient of more than 3318

                        The family had a child and his wife did not work at that time, she studied German and attended some courses. Maybe it was "their" maternity or something like that, so the municipality paid them 450 per apartment.
                        What a stupid way to drag Ukraine everywhere! Learn already to conduct normal discussions without Ukraine, Ukrainians and Washington fascists.
                        About the salary of a 2000 German worker I will not say whether this is normal or not. But for a car mechanic, even the average salary on your plate is slightly higher than this amount, in Munich it is 2737.
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 28 September 2020 23: 23
                        +2
                        Highly paid masters receive 3 318 € per month or more ...

                        That is, there is a recipient of more than 3318

                        Your arguments just smiled at me, because I see that you absolutely do not understand what you are talking about now.
                        You don't even understand the huge difference between the KFZ-Mechatroniker and the KFZ-Meister.
                        These are two different qualifications.
                        KFZ-Meister can earn 5500 € / month (and more). This is no longer a worker, but a hired head of a car workshop, or in general the boss of his own company.
                        You, with competent confidence, have named the qualifications of your acquaintance: KFZ-Mechatroniker (Auto mechanic)

                        He graduated from some college here as an auto mechanic, that is, he works in his profile.

                        The table that I sent you is naturally generalized, with averaged statistical results, based on 6668 real-life examples. It includes both the salaries of the KFZ-Mechazroniker and (in part) the KFZ-Meister / Techniker.
                        All this is quite enough for objective clarity. By the way, your table is quite comparable to mine, too, quite objective. There are still some subtleties to be taken into account, such as "Berücksichtigung von Gratifikationen und Sonderzahlungen", but this is a separate topic.

                        I don’t understand, just how the graphical function of Gauss confused you. This is a common practice in statistical presentations. Borderline q1 and q3 should not embarrass you, for their conventionality, since in the first and last 25%, no significant deviations from the extreme values ​​of q2 already occur, otherwise the salary of a car mechanic would actually fluctuate from absolute zero to universal infinity.)))

                        so the municipality paid them 450 for an apartment.

                        With a salary of 2700-3000 € gross (2100-2250 € Net), no one will pay any social assistance to pay for an apartment (Wohngeld). This is, as it were, not enough for life (bottom), but already above the minimum subsistence level. And even with 4000 € declared here - and even more so.

                        What a stupid way to drag Ukraine everywhere! Learn already to conduct normal discussions without Ukraine, Ukrainians and Washington fascists.

                        By the fact that you grind here (sorry if that), you, more than on the troll "average hand" do not pull.
                        Sorry, again.)
                      3. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 01: 03
                        -3
                        You, with competent confidence, have named the qualifications of your acquaintance: KFZ-Mechatroniker (Auto mechanic)

                        - I did not say that. You came up with this. I said that I graduated from college here in the Russian Federation, I did not see his diploma. Whether he studied in Germany later or not, I don't know.
                        I myself was surprised by his salary in 4000. But I have an example of such differences in salary in car services. In Moscow, the salary of an average auto electrician, the year, in my opinion 2011 - 2012 now I don’t remember exactly, was 45. A Belarusian auto electrician rented a one-room apartment from a friend near the River Station, a semi-business class house for 000, which was a little expensive. But this Belarusian salary in the service without the "left" was 35, but a paradox. I don't know what he was doing there. A friend of the foreman of car mechanics had 000, his subordinates had up to 140. The employee's husband worked in Porsche Rublevsky ZP 000 (which is not much for me, given the glamor of the salon), I personally did not know him, but the employee said that her husband was intelligent and even plays with all sorts of Porsche details at home.
                        On your plate, the salary is for a mechanic, not for the KFZ-Meister (Master) and q3 says that 25% of salary is not lower than 3348. The salary (in the q3 quartile) cannot fly to infinity, of course there are many, as you say, 6668 vacancies. That is, 1667 salary vacancies are more than 3348. I don’t know how they are distributed internally, perhaps there are 10, but it is clear that there are not many of them. But a salary of 000 is quite possible. I hope you will not argue that salary of 4000 is, in principle, possible for Bavaria for an auto mechanic, or do you have everything strictly 4000 and not euros on top?
                        About the bottom, if there are 2300 for a family of three, I agree with you. But his wife did not take a part-time job, where knowledge of German was not required at that time, she just went to courses. That is, if they lived at the bottom, she would definitely go to work, which means that her husband's salary was enough. I knew her personally, she is the best friend of my girlfriend (woman) at that time.
                        When they moved to Germany, my woman began to visit them, about a year or a year and a half after the move. I traveled quite often 3 - 4 times a year, for 5 - 7 days. Usually people, if they live on the most social day, are not invited to visit.
                        As for the troll, no offense to this resource, but given its attendance and the number of comments, as well as + and - in posts. Then even the smallest Ukrainian troll will not be interested in them. 10 comments (on average) per article and a maximum of 10 pluses or minuses, and some articles have no comments at all, you know, not a lot. And so: "... what you don't pull on a" middle hand "trolling ..." all the more.
                        Let's imagine (dream) that the Russian Federation and Germany announced that the auto mechanics of both countries can choose a country. How many Germans do you think will rush here and how many of ours will go there? Once on TV there was a report, with great fanfare, how some bugger came here with his family, to farm, it was screaming that all of Germany was moving to Putin's paradise. That's just the farmer dumped on a quiet one year later.
                        Yes, you wrote above that you worked in 4 European countries. You were not satisfied and, as I understand it, returned to Russia. I also have such an example, I wrote about a C # programmer who also came back and was unhappy. But then the course was still sane until 2014 and it was from Moscow. Will it not bother you to indicate the countries and your profession?
                        Py Sy. I even have a few friends from the states returned, they are also programmers and are also not happy. One of them was Ukrainian (a very close friend to me and a rare Russophobe), but it was also until 2014.
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 08: 42
                        +2
                        But I have an example of such differences in salary in car services. In Moscow.....

                        Do not chatter. We are, here and now, discussing the salary of a car mechanic in Bavaria. Stay tuned if you have something to say. If not, admit your incompetence in this matter and stop demagoguery!)

                        As for the troll, no offense to this resource, but given its attendance and the number of comments, as well as + and - in posts.

                        109 tightly "minified" posts in 22 days of a new account's life, taking into account the length (by the way, the "middle hand" for them) and the content of your opuses - an unambiguous troll.)
                        A normal user for a long time, internally would not agree with such a rejection of himself by society, and would change his image.
                        Well, in short, I realized that you understood that you understood all this long ago.))

                        Yes, you wrote above that you worked in 4 European countries.

                        Where did I write this?)

                        Will it bother you to indicate the countries and your profession?

                        For what purpose are you interested in?)
                        You know, you have a counter offer:
                        Give me your real name, address, phone number, or at least an eMail. I will contact you and discuss everything.
                      5. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 12: 09
                        -3
                        1. My long writing about the salary of an auto mechanic in Moscow was for one purpose, to show that the salary for a particular auto electrician differed three times. But, of course, you can call it Khokhlo propaganda. The difference between the average salary in Bavaria is 2700 and 4000 euros (by your link), only 50%. q3 shows that a decent amount of salary is above 3348, but you ignore it. What will you insist on the salary in Bavaria auto mechanic 2300 and no more?
                        All the same, admit your defeat. I'm not saying that all auto mechanics get 4000 and I was surprised myself, but this salary is quite possible.
                        2. The site is urya-patriotic with the corresponding contingent, which the admins keep, but those who disagree are banned forever. And since there are many more disagreeing people than urya - patriots or marginal - patriots, if not to ban those who disagree, then the site would become a branch of Rain or Echo. I am in no way putinoid and approved oligarchic - I do not shout at thieves' authorities, hence the disadvantages. And the fact that there are a lot of them is good, so I step on the favorite calluses of the putinoids.
                        3. About 4 countries. I apologize, I confused you with another friend. Sergey, 53 years old, was born and live in Moscow.
                        4. The conversation went about the fact that it is better to work in the EU and as an example I brought up a familiar car mechanic with a salary of 4000. You are at once hostile that they say it is not better and salary for this category is less. Still, you insist that working as auto mechanics in Germany and here is equally good or equally bad ???
                        I repeat that you can't even compare! We have it on the verge of poverty, and in Germany, if the poor (according to their concepts), they will throw some money and not miserable Putin's pennies.
                        Answer all honestly, if visa-free travel with Germany is introduced for auto mechanics, how many people will go there and how many will rush from there?
                      6. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 13: 12
                        +2
                        The conversation went about the fact that it is better to work in the EU and as an example I brought up a familiar car mechanic with a salary of 4000.

                        And I noticed that the example is unreal. I gave you more realistic numbers that are not so impressive.
                        According to the teaching staff, the salaries of a Moscow and a German auto mechanic are quite comparable, so your enthusiastic chatter about "western paradise" is more drawn to low-grade trolling.

                        Answer all honestly, if visa-free travel with Germany is introduced for auto mechanics, how many people will go there and how many will rush from there?

                        It's funny. Visa-free.)
                        Well then answer me and you: How many auto mechanics from Ukraine already work in their specialty in Germany? Judging by your conclusions, this is probably all.
                        Everything is clear with you!)))
                      7. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                        Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 13: 47
                        -3
                        An example of 4000 is real, but the salary is high, but q3 confirms that this is possible and it is 50% higher than the average. For us, at that time, the difference (which I know) was three times.
                        The salary of an auto mechanic in Moscow at that time was 40 - 000, in the provinces, I think, it was two times less. Let in Germany, according to you, it was 50 - 000. I specifically said that compared to Moscow, the difference is not very impressive, therefore, we compare it with the province. So 2200 rubles against 2300 euros. Renting an apartment in the province of 25 - 000 rubles., Germany - 2200 -8000 euros.
                        Food prices are roughly comparable. And where there is PPP equality. There are pictures of the price of products from Germany, the USA and the Russian Federation, I cannot insert.
                        How much "free" money will our two auto mechanics have left? What you deny the obvious, the standard of living in Germany is higher, several times higher and even higher in Poland.
                        You again translate into Ukrainians how many of them work as auto mechanics. I asked the question, how many auto mechanics would go here and there if they were allowed, but again you did not answer, but transferred to the Ukrainians. Well, you must agree that one and a half people may come here, but no more.
                        They will accept Ukraine into the EU, they will accept it, and then a bunch of auto mechanics from the Square will be in Poland, Germany and France. And our locksmith, Seryozha, will continue to struggle with a key for 25 rubles.
                      8. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 15: 37
                        +2
                        You really match your nickname))
                        Such stupid people are rare.
                    2. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                      Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 13: 48
                      -3
                      Here I will try to insert a picture that roughly shows the price level.

                    3. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 15: 10
                      +2
                      Especially neighing over "boneless beef" (Fillet). Do you want 3,9 € for 100 grams? Do not show this table to anyone else)
                      Here are the prices for meat in Germany for 2017:

                      https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/817312/umfrage/durchschnittspreise-fuer-fleisch-in-deutschland/

                      A kilogram of bread on average 5 € if anything.
                    4. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                      Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 15: 47
                      -3
                      Again you are trying to cheat, and the table does not indicate bread for 1 kg, but for a simple white loaf, most likely 400 grams. Expensive bread, with all sorts of additives, can cost 5 euros per kg, but it's still exotic. We're talking about a regular shopping cart.
                      Here in the photo, not just bread, but also


                      it costs 1.6 Euro, and a simple white one costs 1 Euro, and for 3 Euro it is already slightly higher.
                      Bananas and granulated sugar and chicken, also for 100 grams?
                      Yes, in the tables "deshman prices" for beef, such as our "Red Price", in reality, 5.5 - 6.0 euros per kg, but even this is cheaper than the comparable quality "Miratorg".
                      25 euros, but not 39 euros (in your opinion) is already premium beef!
                    5. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 29 September 2020 16: 24
                      +2
                      Cudgel, the confidence that you did not eat today is growing in me. smile
                    6. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                      Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 17: 27
                      -3
                      Is Putin's Internet a Guardsman? Or an internet musketeer chef? Barked out of the gate, did you feel better?
                    7. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 29 September 2020 17: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Cudgel
                      Is Putin's Internet a Guardsman?

                      No Dubin! It's just that you are all about food, yes, about food. So I thought ... Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
                      It is said that smoking helps in such cases. yes
                    8. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
                      Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 17: 47
                      -3
                      I propose to stop picking in this thread. Writing began to strain a little. Let's continue with other topics. Do you agree?
                    9. isofat Offline isofat
                      isofat (isofat) 29 September 2020 17: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Cudgel
                      Let's continue with other topics. Do you agree?

                      No! Bon Appetit! smile
            2. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 16: 43
              +2
              this is premium beef!

              For God's sake! Enjoy your bullshit if it makes life easier for you)

              Read the link with prices that I sent you. It was not written by me. Believe it more than your silly table "with loaves")

              Let me remind you again. Do not try to find (and even more so to convince) someone here stupid than yourself.
              And your "talking topics" is also a trick for beginners. Who taught you this?)))
            3. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 17: 25
              -3
              Let's go, we switched to insults. Your link does not open, by the way, do you specifically give such? What do you dislike about pictures from supermarkets in Berlin, your link is one correct pictures, wrong did the Ukrainians take them in Photoshop? Yes, according to your previous link, the average salary of a car mechanic in Bavaria is 2700, q3 is above 3348, do you want to comment on this or will you stand at 2200?
              Beef cannot cost 39 euros per 1 kg. Prosciutto and jamon cost so much!
              I asked you, bananas, chicken and sugar in "my" table are also for 100 grams? But, as usual, admirers of a rumbling Russia pretended not to hear, it happens.
              Food prices are comparable! Ok, gvadina is not 4 euros, but 11, but do not agree with the rest, too, did "my" price table inflate 10 times?
              The quality even in Auchan is not comparable to German stores, not to mention the Five and Crossroads, Miratorg may be close somewhere, but the price tag there is completely different, there will be more German.
              According to the PPP, we are close to Germany, the whole office was laughing! Write that according to PPP we have overtaken Germany, it will be more fun! Zanzibar and Angola, there, according to the PPP, we are somewhere next to them. But this will not last long, the exchange rate is growing, the population of Russia is becoming impoverished. Soon VVP will announce nat. ideas to catch up with Ethiopia on PPP! Yes, tell me that the salary of 17 rubles. this is the salary of the middle class, as your zeroed one declared, and this for the eyes for a comfortable life.
            4. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 21: 05
              +2
              Your link does not open, by the way, do you specifically give such?

              Maybe someone just lacks the mind to check the settings in the browser?

              ... an auto mechanic in bavaria 2700, q3 higher than 3348, would you like to comment on this or will you stand at 2200?

              Insanity grew stronger)

              You have not read carefully what I am writing. Your problems.
              And I wrote to you:

              The table that I sent you is naturally generalized, with averaged statistical results, based on 6668 real-life examples. It includes both the salaries of the KFZ-Mechazroniker and (in part) the KFZ-Meister / Techniker.

              That is, if you finally turn on your brain, you will guess that the statistics in the upper boundary of q2 is "tainted" by more qualified participants of the statistical table than the auto mechanic (see the Master).

              would you like to comment or will you stand at 2200?

              - where I mentioned the numbers 2100-2250 € it was about NETTO (this is ON HANDS!)
              and where I said 2700-3000 € - this is BRUTTO !!! (BEFORE TAXES AND SOCIAL PAYMENTS!)
              Will it come to you someday, or again: we look at the book, we see a fig ???

              According to the PPP, we are close to Germany, the whole office was laughing!

              At least you can do it there in your (Ukrainian?) Office.
              The PPP includes not only "loaves" and "bananas", but also other important parameters: housing and communal services, the system of compulsory insurance, the percentage of tenants to homeowners, energy prices, and much, much more.
              This all ultimately determines the PPP - purchasing power parity.
              And PPP - in turn - is your real chance to survive, if that.
              So, what would you and your office understand:
              For 1000 € - the equivalent of 92t / rub.
              in Germany, even one person cannot survive.
              And in Russia by 92 t / rub. a family of 3 people can actually live. And given that in Russia 85% of the population still lives in their own homes, it’s even a good idea to live.

              And in Germany, after paying at least half of this amount for housing, the remaining € 500 is enough for you only to “devour”.

              And for you to develop your brain: a square meter of rental housing in Munich costs from 12 to 17 €
              Your chatter about 450 € rent per month will allow you to live in mansions from 37 to 26 square meters of living space. What is common - there, in these meters, there will already be a toilet, a kitchen and a corridor,
              Good luck with your visa-free travel.
            5. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 22: 22
              -3
              Actually, there are even the words "Meister" on your page, you have thought of this on purpose so as not to back down. And yet you insist that there is in principle no salary of 4000 for a mechanic in Vavaria? Ok, you have a gross of 3000 and me, too, a gross of 4000, and that, my gross is not 4000. I don’t know the taxation class of "my" mechanic, but I think that it’s not prohibitive, given the child, unemployed wife and migrant status. It was enough for them, so the wives did not work, did not live in poverty, like a similar family somewhere in Vologda or Tambov.
              Again you are at "in your (Ukrainian?) Office", you are given special pills or injections, so that Ukraine is more often remembered. It is clear that the teaching staff is not only food, but housing and communal services, travel, insurance and so on.
              Why did you bring in 1000 euros and a family of three. If a German family of three receives 4000, after all the obligatory payments he will not have 1000 euros left, it will be noticeably more. But in the provinces for a car mechanic, the equivalent of 1000 euros, this is a pipe dream, even after the implementation of all Putin's national projects! I agree that living in Germany for 1000 euros is the bottom, but this is impossible in Germany, they will reach the German minimum, this is not Russia with a minimum wage of 12.
              I did not take into account the rent of housing. If we take into account the rent, then maybe we will also start taking into account loans for cars, education, and so on. Take it without rent, otherwise you can conjecture a 6-room apartment in Berlin, which the auto mechanic obviously won't pull.
              Where does the firewood come from for 450 euros renting an apartment up to 37 meters? Are these rates Berlin? Now I'm writing from home, tomorrow I'll ask the boss where and what area his son rented in Germany, the guy studied there for PhD, dad allocated exactly this amount for housing. I say the family lived in some provincial town, even by the standards of Germany. And the municipality paid 450 for their apartment, remembered exactly this amount.
              Good luck to our Russian workers in the entry of the Russian Federation into the EU.
            6. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 22: 57
              +1
              Actually, on your page, there are even the words "Meister", you specially thought of this, so as not to back down.

              Can you only read the first page?)

              I do not know the taxation class of "my" mechanic, but I think that it is not outrageous, given the child, unemployed wife and the status of a migrant.

              Especially amused: "..and the status of a migrant"))))
              You don't even know the taxation system in Germany, but you are trying to be clever here.
              You for an educational program: tax classes in Germany 6. Your "friend"), he is probably 3rd.
              The migrant status does not play any role (in any case, it is positive)).

              I agree that living in Germany for 1000 euros is the bottom, but this is impossible in Germany, it will reach the German minimum

              Yeah, they will hold out, then they will catch up, and they will give in)) Is that such nonsense on Ukrainian TV, along with lace panties, they tell you?))

              Where does the firewood come from for 450 euros renting an apartment up to 37 meters? Are these rates Berlin?

              Munich, my stupid companion .. Munich .. from 12 to 17 € / sq. meter.
              Calculator in hand, and go! ))

              Where does the firewood come from for 450 euros renting an apartment up to 37 meters? Are these rates Berlin?

              The municipality (Sozialamt) pays for housing for the poor who receive social assistance.
              Working with wages above the social minimum, based on the size of the family sots. no help is received. Social minimum for a family of 3 people approximately € 1100-1200 depending on the age of the child.
              In the case of your friend, sots. help would be assigned to him only if his net (on hand!) salary, including the cost of housing, does not exceed the specified amount.
              Even if your friend's net salary was 2100 €, then for social benefits. his apartment should have cost more than 1000 € per month.
              With 4000 € gross (= 3000 € net), there could be no question of any social assistance.)
              Stop writing all this nonsense already.
              You don't know anything about life in Germany, but I do. Therefore, you are already tired of your glaring stupidity.
              By the way, not me alone. )
            7. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 23: 31
              -3
              I guess that he has the 3rd class, the status of a migrant per class, of course, does not affect, it affects the benefits. His wife's courses and payment for kavrtira were most likely due to status, I don't remember whether she paid for the kindergarten or whether the municipality also paid.
              "My clever companion", he does not live in Munich, what a joy! You took not the central district of Munich for an hour at prices, you love to take everything according to the upper bar, you have beef at the price of a decent jamon!

              You only know how to read the first page?

              - well, after all, I can read. And on which page about the master is written, the second or the tenth? The table is labeled "automotive technician ...", the link to the right of the RFP is a technician. As if the master of their completely different opera, can you also speculate an engineer or the owner of a car service? The difference in salary between a master and a technician is too great and the professions are somewhat different to combine them.
              I say again, the apartment was exactly paid by the municipality, on what basis I don't know, it was not interesting.

              You don't know anything about life in Germany, but I do.

              You are just great! And about Germany and about ukrotrollya and about "along with lace panties talk about" lace panties you know, you are our universal! Just a storehouse of knowledge! Yes, can you give a link to the video, where on Ukro-TV they say about lace trunks? How are you blinkered at the stamps that were born on all sorts of Kiselevsko-Skabeyevsky programs. Can you tell us anything about the crucified boys and the dispatcher Carlos?
              Who else have I tired of, I wonder, no one besides you writes, like.
              It’s bad to live in Germany, of course, the poor people flee from there to the rich scattering, they settle along the Lower Volga, where their ancestors lived under Catherine. Those who get a job receive the Russian minimum wage, those who do not have time - benefits, why not live! The first immigrants from Germany tell how rich and free it is in Russia. Soon, whole German villages and towns will be moving! Goodness and blooper ...
            8. Dear sofa expert. 29 September 2020 23: 37
              +2
              immigrant status does not, of course, affect the class; it does affect benefits.

              Please list the benefits)

            9. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
              Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 23: 45
              -3
              Why are you so nervous!
              Of course it is very commendable that you were not too lazy to find housing prices in Munich. But they live 140 km from it.
              I will not be able to list the benefits for you, "with that lady" that I went to them and I hope she still goes, they fled.
              But as compensation, tomorrow I will ask our secretary, she has a friend and, surprisingly, she also lives in Germany, and even more surprisingly, she is paid for something there.
              Already progress, probably your first comment without words about Ukraine.
              And tomorrow I will find out in which city the young offspring of our beloved chef rented an apartment and it was quick in size.
            10. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 30 September 2020 00: 03
              +1
              Cudgel, I understand that you can talk about your dream for days, but do not forget about the readers of our comments. Anyway, shut up, please. yes
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 28 September 2020 11: 33
    +3
    Germany lacks 17 engineers every year in various fields.

    - Why? German universities cannot cope with the supply of engineers? And why? Are there not enough universities in Germany and the EU?
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 27 September 2020 21: 02
    +2
    a cheap Soros propagandist, squeaks but tries to publish his slops here, they have become adept at scribbling their mantra about the West and the values ​​of the West ...
    he is not aware that the GDP and the current regime is not ideal, like any other, but this regime has its advantages that outweigh what the West is preparing for the Slavs and the Russian world
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 27 September 2020 22: 09
      -7
      Well, where am I to a dear pro-Putin propagandist!
      The value of the West is in Western civilization, to which we also belong. Do you want to go to the Asiatic bast shoes, with a lifelong king and oligarchic and clan estates? Well, go ahead, not long left, a couple of times the Constitution will be changed and the trick is in the bag.
      So far, Russkiy Mir looks rather unsightly, as I understand it, is it implemented in the LPNR? Or do you have other examples of the ideal "Russkgoo World"?
  • Cudgel Offline Cudgel
    Cudgel (Dubina) 27 September 2020 22: 01
    -7
    In the Ukrainian editions they write this:

    ... and to Italy to wipe the asses of local retirees. And who is lucky, he may even try himself in trading. Trading your own body ...

    or

    ... A smart population is a headache for the government and a godsend for the Kremlin's spies. It was not for this that we did the revolution and stood on the Maidan so that Putin could brainwash with impunity and recruit our children ...

    This is a gag, a rather low grade.
    You are a little mistaken, for a smart person, whether in Ukraine or here, will not allow Putin and his propaganda. brainwash yourself. Here are jingoistic patriots with a pumpkin instead of a head, this is Putin's electorate and his admirers.
    The number of schools in the Russian Federation is 68.2 thousand in 2000, 42 thousand in 2018. Every day 4 schools are closed in the Russian Federation! But Volkonsky is more important than in the Kherson region. Yeah, a reduction from 28 to 12, in four years, with us, this is in 4 days, though throughout Russia!
    In all the media, pro-Putin henchmen have infiltrated and hanged us on our ears.
  • Sergey Mo Offline Sergey Mo
    Sergey Mo (Sergey Moshegov) 27 September 2020 14: 51
    +2
    Pelevin in 2011 predicted everything SNUFF.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 September 2020 20: 39
    +1
    Do you want to quickly master the Russian experience in reducing schools?
    In our village, they tried 2 times to reduce 2 schools to 1. Failed yet. only optimized both.

    All that ended in Ukraine. Now education will end
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 September 2020 12: 15
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    Look how many schools in the Russian Federation have closed in the last 20 years. "
    "From Oreshkin, I was like that, the words were noted:" The economy showed growth - negative. "Listen more, you will have the wrong noodles.

    Think and reason in the right direction. Do not do petty toadying like the author. But the conclusions are not correct. For instance.

    Talk to ordinary Belarusians, how many of them are ready to work in Europe, perhaps that's all. So, no need to go to them with your care, dear comrade, without you they will figure it out, somehow.

    That is, according to yours, Europe and the United States are climbing, "squealing, but climbing"! And Russia has no right? If Europe had not climbed Belarusians would have sorted it out faster! And second, there is no need to speak for all Belarusians. Because I have opposite data, from the same Belarusians.
    Conclusion: You don't deserve so many disadvantages. For your correct thoughts, I support you, but for your conclusions - no.
    1. Cudgel Offline Cudgel
      Cudgel (Dubina) 29 September 2020 12: 40
      -3
      The United States certainly doesn’t climb into Belarus, they don’t need it, Belarus will go west anyway, a matter of time. Europe to a minimum. Or do you believe the cries of the AG that "now NATO tanks will trample into Belarus." I myself did not expect such a rapid fall of the AG regime, formally the AG was not thrown off, but its days are numbered. The fact that while 50% to 50%, the opposition and the AG, is not for long, the opposition will win. What the AG can offer to the people, the sticks of the siloviki, the economy will fall even more, the AG is in power, the authorities are to blame for the fall in the standard of living and so not high.
      My prediction is that by September 2021 the AG regime will fall. Our interventions will no longer correct the situation; earlier it was necessary to correct it. And I don’t think that Putin will dare to invade, then they will finally slam us with sanctions.
  • Sergey Saprykin Offline Sergey Saprykin
    Sergey Saprykin (Sergey Saprykin) 1 October 2020 10: 00
    +1
    This is not the bottom yet, look how Africans live in Bangladesh, Pakistan. Even US residents cannot afford to have their own home, eat natural food, and have the cheapest Internet access in the world. Africans cannot afford to have water in every apartment; even the Japanese cannot afford to use heating (except for the island of Hokaido). It's still a long way to the bottom.
  • Semyon Semyonov_2 (Semyon Semyonov) 4 October 2020 19: 58
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    good article, true.)
  • Semyon Semyonov_2 (Semyon Semyonov) 4 October 2020 20: 01
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    This is a gag, a rather low grade.
    Cudgel, does it really inject?)) Don't be sad.))