Missing Russian tanks during demonstration shooting surprised Russians

August 26 2020 20

During the ARMY 2020 individual tank biathlon race, five Russian tanks demonstrated firing guided missiles at fixed targets at the range. At the same time, the mistakes during these demonstration firing, carried out in literally "greenhouse" conditions, surprised the Russians.

The T-90A fired first. He fired three TOURs on the target, of which two passed. The T-80U was the second to enter the firing line. He also had three TOURs and again two misses. The third took the position of the T-80UE-1. This time, out of three TOURs, only one passed by. The fourth was the T-80BVM. All three of his TOURS missed the mark. The fifth was the T-72B3. He fired four TOURs and they all hit the target.

Thus, out of 16 shots, only 8 ended in successful hits, i.e. 50% misses on stationary targets on the range. Moreover, in a real battle, everything will be much more complicated. Targets will move and shoot back.

Comments of Russians:

Show-off in everything is our motto, but in reality nothing remains of greatness and power

- considers AndyLW.

Now they will come up with an acceptable excuse and continue to kick the ox. Military technique - this is not like Roskosmos rockets, which are compared every day in terms of the number of launches with the United States, and it is pointless to pretend. When there is no verification of characteristics in practice, everything can be successfully replaced with PR

- confident military_cat.

Most likely, the crews lack skills - there will be one such missile at the cost of a Zhiguli. Apparently, there are few such ammunition in parts.

- Kasym thinks.

The probability of hitting such an adjustable projectile is 0.7-0.8, this is if the crew is well trained, and for training it is necessary both on the simulator, and in reality, shoot with such a projectile, which costs a couple of million rubles. I don't think the crews had good hands-on experience

- specified the figs.

This is a show, where there should be no jambs! And what are the results of the shooting at the ranges, or are they carried out in electronic form?

- Become surprised.

There, along the way, the judges are the same, that's why we always win in tank biathlon

- Ruslan Yuriev quipped.

Ours can not get from a standing position at a stationary target in the conditions of the training ground. And the announcer tried to present everything as defeat of goals

- said Sania Sanches.

Spanish shame. The gunner, I think, was "punished" by the entire district ... Of course, anything happens in war ... But these are demonstration performances, they are preparing for them ...

- Artem Smyslov was indignant.

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slesarg65

+4

26 August 2020 21: 44

It only says that there was no "show", but there were inexperienced, not trained crews. If it were necessary to show, a wolf no lower than a major would be put into the tank as a gunner for the operator, and he certainly would not have missed. But the point is not that there are highly qualified specialists, but that it is necessary to bring the general level of everyone at least to the average. And for this, as everyone already understands - "you can't hold out for money."
During the emergency, I was also "appointed" as an air defense missile system operator. But I didn't even hold it in my hands, only crammed instructions. And when they had to shoot at the range, it was natural, "into the white light." Although there the prices for missiles and target simulators are even higher!
Yuri 11okE

-3

26 August 2020 22: 37

Does the author get 30 rounds from AKM into 10? I doubt very much that he will put at least one in the 3-ku from the queue.
And how many shells were fired into the sky during the Second World War? To bring down at least one messer?
50x50 is even a "EXCELLENT" result !!! Even 1x100 is also "EXCELLENT" on the battlefield!
1. Cyril
  
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  27 August 2020 00: 46
  
  What you said is true for unguided weapons, which are bullets and ordinary tank shells. But the tanks fired guided anti-tank missiles, which are precision guided weapons.
2. Nikolaevich I
  
  +2
  
  27 August 2020 07: 34
  
  Quote: Yuri 11okE
  And how many shells were fired into the sky during the Second World War? To bring down at least one messer?
  
  You don't have to say nonsense to move your jaw! Better chew something ...
3. Ilya Pronyashin
  
  +1
  
  27 August 2020 08: 22
  
  You seem to have a wide soul. And your pocket, from which you need to take out bills for expensive TOUR, do you have the same wide?
4. kisham
  
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  27 August 2020 14: 19
  
  An assault rifle cartridge costs a penny and is designed for the fact that at least one of the 30 will hit the target. But in fact, in combat conditions, it turns out much less. And this is a managed, expensive complex, which in fact is worth a penny. And if the electronic warfare was still involved against him?
Sergey Latyshev

+1

26 August 2020 22: 40

XO! Drag and drop comments from VO! This business!
1. Cyril
  
  0
  
  27 August 2020 00: 46
  
  Yes, I also noticed familiar nicknames.
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

+1

26 August 2020 22: 53

Mazily! Russia is dishonored!
gorenina91

+1

27 August 2020 03: 57

I simply did not expect this ... - After all, the most trained crews are selected; operators, gunners, etc ... - Did they ... shoot for the first time, or something ... it makes such an impression ...; that they were taken to biathlon and "given a shot" ...
- In general, I personally always thought it strange that smooth-bore guns are used ... - supposedly you can shoot any kind of ammunition from them ... - And when they try to make a cannon out of a gun "for all occasions", then they get it .. - these are the "results".
- Personally, I believe that a gun should be rifled and very accurately shoot certain types of ammunition (fragmentation, armor-piercing, etc.) ... - And when they try to adapt the weapon for firing such missiles, then ...- such are the results ...
- How many times have I watched tanks shoot shells at a distance of 1000 meters and wondered what a "bad hit" is ... - So what a "good hit" by a shell from a smooth-bore gun can be ??? - What accuracy can be ???
- WWII already took into account the wear of the barrel (when the grooves began to "wear off" and the accuracy of fire was very noticeably lost) and replaced such weapons ... - And to shoot shells (not missiles) from a smooth-bore gun ... is generally nonsense ... - But by the way ... - personally, I'm not an expert ... - This is IMHO ...
- Maybe there is some hidden betrayal in the fact that our tanks were equipped ... - completely smooth-bore guns ...
Well at least AK assault rifles and other small arms were not transferred to "smooth barrels" ...
1. Magog
  
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  27 August 2020 22: 00
  
  Almost the entire "tank-producing world" has long since switched to smooth-bore artillery. We are not original here. Now, briefly why. A smooth barrel has a higher power than a rifled one, because the resistance to acceleration of a projectile when fired is greater in the case of "cutting" and, accordingly, this affects the "armor penetration" indicator. The smooth barrel is lighter in weight and easier to manufacture, less wear when firing. The firing of a guided missile from the barrel practically does not depend on the rifling - there are examples of such firing in both cases. The projectile untwisted in the rifled barrel forms a hot cumulative jet worse when burning through the target's armor due to its rapid rotation along the longitudinal axis. The lack of accuracy of "smooth" shooting is compensated for by the introduction of automated computer aiming systems, which maximally take into account the factors influencing the result of the shot, including barrel wear.
beeper

+2

27 August 2020 06: 43

I specifically found and looked at this reportage in LiveJournal, for some reason it is not available on VO and Reporter.
Shooting is like shooting, no ostentatiousness - gunners get caught and smeared as in ordinary army training.
Of course, for a public demonstration of armored vehicles and the capabilities of cannon weapons, the organizers still had to better organize, without annoying blunders in everything - take a more responsible and soulful attitude to planning this large-scale mega-costly event (a natural question arises - But did the organizers of the show achieve the set Goal, which one and did they set it at all, or "for show" and "development" of considerable budgetary funds, will there be any return from this and what was expected, no ??!), to work on the meanings, to write down a clear scenario of actions, verified and agreed upon in minutes and seconds, and it is tougher to demand from the involved military personnel, to give them the opportunity to practice better before the show!
And so, there is the disorder and incompetence of the organizers of the demonstration!
About the inconsistent work of video filming operators and, too exalted, inexperienced announcer-commentator, to be sure - for all (landfill workers, video cameramen, announcer and viewers) it would be better, it would be clear and understandable what that random useless "broadcast" (trashy who reads the text written to him, but as if he sees it for the first time ??!), purely civilian, an announcer "in the booth", if the numbers of the "tracks" of the tank director were indicated by large, clearly visible from afar, numbers, and not dangling in the wind colored rags on low cuttings!
In general, the announcer-"commentator" and those who wrote the texts for him are a separate topic!
To say "pliser" instead of "pillers" could only be a ram, who had never read a single book in his life and before "turning on" in the work does not prepare at all and does not preliminarily read what he is given to sound - this is some kind of "one-time" invited Was or is he on the staff of the landfill "working", but, at least in general terms, is not interested in materiel, according to the principle "anyhow day until evening" ??!
And when the tanks fired back, ALREADY having finished the execution of the firing mission, they leave the headmistress - after them, they do not hesitate to "comment" that they are supposedly going "to complete the next firing mission" - what is it ??
I did not watch the whole reportage of this day - everything, like in everyday army study, in working order - the "ceremonial window dressing" should not be so burdensome and dull, because you can see the incoherence, slowness and lack of a clear organization - no, absolutely not to see, the dynamics of harmonious actions and army daring, everything somehow goes out of place (from the helicopter, obviously, someone had to be shoved into the bottom from the lingering third pair of combat swimmers, and on the shore, in full view of everyone, they shoot from AK-74, and the announcer, contrary to the obvious, reads that they are shooting from ADF ?!).
What prevented the civil spectators from impressing the high marching speed of "eighties" on the approach and withdrawal, when they were moving in a column - after all, as easy as shelling pears, even a reasonable increase in the distance between the cars, to hedge traffic safety, would not reduce the overall visual effect!
Yes, put experienced mechanized drivers in the tanks, let them show army daring and coherence!
In the old Soviet film "Velvet Season", there was a spectacular scene on the bridge, the synchronized movement of our Volga cars, which was immediately engraved in memory!
So these demonstrations of armored vehicles should be dynamic, dashing - there should be such a performance so that the audience does not close their mouths with delight and surprise, so that they will only talk about it for another month, they studied the tanks they saw on the Web and posted their videos from Alabino, and After what they saw, young people dreamed of becoming the same dashing tankers and lined up at the recruiting centers of the RF Armed Forces!
1. Magog
  
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  2 September 2020 21: 09
  
  Shooting is like shooting, no show - the gunners hit and smear, as in the usual army training.
  
  Of course, to improve the results, you need to train. And to shoot ATGM-s is not cheap pleasure. Simulators with all possible reality effects will save the day. And drive tankers there to a sweat.
  1. beeper
    
    +1
    
    2 September 2020 23: 08
    
    Quote: Magog
    Shooting is like shooting, no show - the gunners hit and smear, as in the usual army training.
    
    Of course, to improve the results, you need to train. And to shoot ATGM-s is not cheap pleasure. Simulators with all possible reality effects will save the day. And drive tankers there to a sweat.
    
    In Soviet times, I never even dreamed of firing a guided missile from a cannon of our "sixty-four B", although I was one of the best gunners on the T-55 and T-62!
    1. Magog
      
      +2
      
      2 September 2020 23: 37
      
      Not quite the topic, but closer. In the early years of the 90s, I heard the story of military pilots that many honored and combat officers of the Air Force actually owned the capabilities of the aircraft's SUV by 5-10%. With the advent of the first flight simulators, the situation began to change rapidly, and the real significant reduction in flights no longer affected the crews' ability to use the aircraft system to the full.
      1. beeper
        
        +2
        
        3 September 2020 00: 16
        
        Quote: Magog
        Not quite the topic, but closer. In the early years of the 90s, I heard the story of military pilots that many honored and combat officers of the Air Force actually owned the capabilities of the aircraft's SUV by 5-10%. With the advent of the first flight simulators, the situation began to change rapidly, and the real significant reduction in flights no longer affected the crews' ability to use the aircraft system to the full.
        
        I agree that training even on primitive simulators gives a lot, but Gorbachev's "catastrophe" burst out ... then it was regret that I did not finish retraining on the "T-64B" (I really liked it in everything, although it was not as simple as T-55 and T-62), but in 2014 I realized that it was a sign of Destiny! ...
        So I think in recent years that everything in our life does not happen by accident, you try to rock the boat in order to change Fate, but in no way - "a step to the left - a step to the right is considered an attempt to escape ..." and sometimes, in an instant of imminent mortal danger, I feel on their shoulders someone's invisible unshakable hands, forcibly twisting me in millimeters from a rapidly flying death (something intended for me has not yet been fulfilled or is not such an easy death awaiting me ?! ), as recently again.
        
        Magog
        
        +1
        
        3 September 2020 15: 19
        
        You scare with these words! You have to be friends with the Almighty (I'm serious!) And not try to take on His tasks - then it will be easier for Him to administer Justice.
Strag

+1

27 August 2020 10: 02

It's a shame, of course (((well, maybe after that everyone will be grossed out, including Shoigu!) That you need more practice live, and not only theory in class. And then in paper tanks to walk on the parade ground and carry shells to the target.
Dmitry S.

0

28 August 2020 14: 24

On the simulator I shot from a cornet - while I got used to it, I did only three out of ten, and then I made it to eight. Training, however, is needed!
Shadow041

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29 August 2020 14: 03

It's good that happened during the exercises, and not in battle. Now, I hope there will be debriefing and elimination of the causes. I will assume that this is some kind of failure, or a lack of fire control systems, which worked perfectly on the T-72BM3.