Lukashenka’s place will be taken by his first traitor


No one writes to the colonel ...



On Friday, August 14, after a 2-day silence, the dad appeared on Belarusian TV screens with the words: "To begin with, I'm still alive! .. And not abroad, as some" svyadomami "slander here ...". And although Lukashenko's entire appearance exuded confidence, his eyes betrayed the panic that overtook him after all the events that overtook him over the previous two days. It was evident from everything that, despite the apparent readiness for such a development of events, no one in his apparatus expected such a scale. Therefore, out of fear, they went too far with retaliatory measures, which only exacerbated the situation.

So far, no one, neither on the external circuit, nor on the internal one, knows how all this can end. I don't know, of course, and I. Therefore, this text will rather not be an analytical assessment of what is happening, but an emotional one. So far, I can only state that only Alexander Grigorievich himself is to blame for everything that happens. Starting from the fact that he did not prepare a replacement for himself following the example of Nazarbayev, who calmly transferred the reins of government into the reliable hands of a personally chosen successor and now from the height of the Leader of the Nation for life is watching events in his country, and ending with spoiled relations with the Russian Federation, the scandal with the Wagner PMC and attributed to themselves 80% of the votes. And the fact that they are attributed, now after thousands of protest demonstrations, no one doubts.

Dad was let down by the pre-election fuss. He was so afraid of losing that he did everything in order to lose. Starting with the landing of their competitors, and ending with the disconnection of the Internet and the violent dispersal of demonstrators. Having such an administrative resource, he could do nothing at all until the elections. Just sit and wait. Yes, he would not have won 80-85% of the votes, but he easily got 55-60% of his votes. And the more competitors he had, the more percent they would have taken from each other, thereby ensuring his victory in the first round. But fear has big eyes! And a real leader must exude confidence and thus suppress opponents. Dad exuded confidence only that he would have problems. And they arose!

Already now it is clear that this was not at all the intrigues of the foreign backstage (I generally keep quiet about the Kremlin's hand!). It was only an internal factor that worked. Metal fatigue is such a term. The people are just tired of Luke! The jerks who took to the streets with the slogans: "Father, go away!", Did not see anything else but him, they were born already under Lukashenka. And they don't care that they have everything they have only thanks to the cunning and resourcefulness of their president, who, balancing between the hammer of the Russian Federation and the anvil of the West, skillfully playing on the internal contradictions between them, for 26 years sought financing of the needs of the Republic of Belarus at the expense of the treasury of the Russian Federation.

If, for the sake of fun, they went to the regions of the Russian Federation adjacent to the Republic of Belarus and looked at how people live there, they would be unpleasantly amazed. And in the Pskov, Smolensk, and Bryansk regions of the Russian Federation, people live much simpler and less prosperous. What, one wonders, and why? Ask the old man how he achieved this and at whose expense? But who remembers this now: “Tyrant, go away! I'm tired of it! " And no one thinks at the same time, and what will happen next? Look at Libya. The Libyan Jamahiriya was the richest state on the African continent, the population of which did not have any economic, no social problems, they all lived as under communism, bathing in oil and dollars from its sale. The income from this was distributed equitably (Islamic, of course!) To the eaters, each born Libyan automatically received 10 thousand dollars into his account, which he could dispose of after he came of age, and all this time, interest was charged on this amount. The level of education of the population in 2009 was 86,8%. In 2011, these educated people stoned their benefactor, the leader of the Libyan revolution, Muammar Gaddafi, and along with his son Muttazim, exposing their bodies in a refrigerator for all to see. Since then, this country no longer exists, and the people who inhabited it are mired in wars and poverty. If this example does not teach you anything, look at Ukraine, which slipped 6 years after its Maidan to the bottom of the food chain of the Western world and turned into a beggar of Europe and the IMF.

The country of unafraid fools


According to the results of the Central Election Commission of the Republic of Belarus, published on Friday August 14, 4,661 million people voted for Lukashenko, 588 thousand people voted for his opponent Tikhanovskaya (along with other candidates, including the candidate “against all”, about 1,1 million people voted against the father. who came to the polls 5,8 million). At the same time, about 20 thousand of the 1 million who voted against the father took to the streets of the capital, and none of the 4,6 million who voted for him. Vague doubts begin to gnaw at me, but was there a boy? Why do not those who voted for Lukashenka take to the streets, at least to defend their choice? Or are they happy with everything?

Believe me, I myself personally do not feel absolutely any sympathy for the boorish arrogant bumpkin who has become bronzed at his post, who is just the right time to command a collective farm or a state farm, and not an entire country with a population of 9 million. But, firstly, there is no other alternative yet (and he personally worried about it), and secondly, we must pay tribute to him, he did a good job with the responsibilities assigned to him, preserving both Soviet production, inherited by him, and the markets sales in the Russian Federation, and social benefits that were presented to the inhabitants of the USSR and which citizens of other countries, which were once Soviet republics, have already begun to forget. Believe me, I have something to compare with. You start to notice the absence of air only when there is none. In the meantime, you breathe and breathe, what's so special about it? You can immediately forget about free medicine and the guaranteed free education, citizens of Belarus. This atavism of the Soviet era will sink immediately along with the tyrant you hate. As well as low tariffs for housing and communal services, departmental sanatoriums and dispensaries, pioneer camps and other attributes of Soviet life.

Under capitalism, the motto of which is only profit and excess profit, the owner gets rid of non-core assets and raises prices wherever possible. In Ukraine, they got rid of not only non-core, but even core assets, cutting into metal the largest in Europe and the second in the world Black Sea Shipping Company (this is still under Kravchuk-Kuchma), Nikolaev shipyards, hundreds of factories, one just wants to say, newspapers, steamers, but it is. Now they are finishing off the latter at an accelerated pace - the aviation industry (Antonov, KhAZ), the auto industry (ZAZ no longer produces anything, KRAZ is barely alive with defense orders), heavy engineering (Turboatom, KhTZ, Yuzhmash instead of missiles produces frying pans, they survived!) - here the list is so long, that I don't even want to continue it. The workers of BelAZ, MAZ, MTZ, BMZ, Belshiny, Grodno-Azot and other enterprises who went on strike do not even imagine how all this will turn out for them personally. Truly - a country of naive, unafraid fools, in the good sense of the word.

Once again I was convinced of this, right to tears, watching the picture of protests that covered the capital of the Republic of Belarus. Quite often people with bright, beautiful young faces who sacredly believe in all good and oppose all bad. An illustrative example of this was a picture of protesters who took off their shoes before climbing onto a bench. So there is a row of sneakers and shoes next to the shop, while their owners enthusiastically shoot everything that happens on their phones and smartphones. Believe me, in Ukraine, not everyone takes off their shoes even when they enter the house, I even keep quiet about the benches with legs. RB is truly an oasis of unclouded consciousness and childish naivety, which Western curators of such protests will not fail to take advantage of (they have already taken advantage of it, the process has begun, you cannot put the paste back in the tube!). And you yourself will learn the common truth that the romantics make the revolution, and the scoundrels and scoundrels use the fruits of it. And so it was in Ukraine, with the only difference that local scoundrels and scoundrels were wiped out from the trough of power by their foreign colleagues, taking advantage of the fruits of the coup and seizing control. And with you, dear Belarusians, it will be the same!

If you peer into the abyss for a long time, then the abyss begins to peer into you!


But this is not your fault, Luke himself brought this misfortune to himself. Over the 26 years of his permanent rule, he has so cleaned up the Belarusian electoral field that there is not something that политическая opposition, just at least some more or less significant weed could not grow, everything was immediately uprooted. As a result, all his political opponents at the time of the last elections were either in prison, or in the ground, or on the run abroad. He created, in fact, a police state with very powerful law enforcement agencies, staffed with reliable personnel, selected according to the principle of personal loyalty, into whose hands the best imported technique, which the dad did not skimp on.

The Belarusian KGB was in no way inferior to the Russian FSB, and in some ways even surpassed it. More than once or twice the special forces of the KGB RB (group "A" of the KGB RB) won the competition among the special forces, where their Russian colleagues also took part (and the "A" department of the Central Security Service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, and the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Federation). Their colleagues from the SPBT "Almaz", who are in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, did not graze there either. In 2014, Belarusian snipers from the anti-terror group of the KGB of the Republic of Bashkortostan won the World Cup among police officers and military snipers, which was attended by 58 teams from 16 countries, including the Alpha unit of the Central Security Service of the FSB of the Russian Federation. It is also worth noting the Belarusian SOBR of the Internal Troops of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus, which took prizes at the international police all-round competition SWAT Challenge 2020, where specialists from the Vityaz Center of the National Guard of the Russian Armed Forces also took part.

It is clear that with such a cover, the dad could still rest on the emperor's laurels for a long time, thinking how to pass these regalia inherited to his son Kolya. There was not even an American embassy in the country, not to mention any enemy NGOs. It got to the point that all his worst enemies did not even think about how to overthrow the last dictator of Europe, doomedly awaiting his physical death. They could only sharpen their teeth at him and wait. And here such luck! Old Man himself gave them such a chance. Do not be surprised that pocket dogs from the pack of American Bull Terriers, trained to smell blood, immediately grabbed him with their teeth. All these Polish-Baltic limitrophes, feeding on carrion, like jackals attack only a wounded animal. Prior to that, they just groaned and whined in frustration, not doubting for a second that Lukashenka would win the next elections. What can I say, even if their American patron Sherkhan Donald did not take any steps to remove the Belarusian Akela, fearing that he would immediately go under the auspices of the Kremlin bear Baloo. All sorts of democratic Banderlog sorcerers still wove their lace around the Belarusian wolf pack, but they could not really do anything. And then Akela missed, after which he was immediately seized by all his enemies, from overseas Banderlog and ending with the nearest Polish-Lithuanian jackals. And these guys know their business, do not wash so by rolling, they will finish their victim. Not now, so in a year. They have a dead grip, they are trained on human flesh. As they say, if the claw is stuck, the bird is over!

And here the Kremlin bear Baloo has to say his word, but he is silent. While silent. We are waiting for the development of the situation. Vova-Balu, no less than Akela, is interested in the Belarusian wolf pack not to go to any jackals and hyenas from the nearest Polish-Baltic-Ukrainian encirclement, thereby blocking the RF corridor to the West, completely cutting off the Kaliningrad region from the metropolis and closing the ring of enemies around the RF , fulfilling the brightest dreams of Brzezinski and Pilsudski.

To betray in time means not to betray, but to foresee!


And now the moment has come when everything already depends not on the dad, but on his entourage. We look carefully! A situation of unstable equilibrium cannot last long. As the author of the previous quote (see subtitle above) Talleyrand said:

"Bayonets are good for everyone, except for one thing - you can't sit on them."

Whoever betrays Lukashenka from his inner circle first runs the risk of taking his place in the near future. It will be good if it is the Kremlin's henchman. What will happen if jackals and hyenas are ahead of the bear, I don't even want to think. Putin has all the cards in his hands. How he will dispose of them, we will see in the near future. This is the disposition on the board. We sit. We look ...
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 August 2020 14: 57
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    Somewhere I already heard it ...
    And someone on the radio quoted Ekhovskaya Latynina ... a few days ago.
    In general, the Maidan infa.

    With 80% of those voting for dad, it sounds strange. Although, the author probably knows everything better than the president himself, because: "here in Ukraine ...." whoever wrote ...
    1. Volkonsky Offline
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 15: 07
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      Soon, uncle, you will say - they have it in Belarus, with your little mind you cannot even imagine that not all people in Ukraine supported the Maidan. Now all Belarusians are enemies for you. I don’t listen to Latynina, unlike you, and you, I see, don’t get off Echo. Take a pencil and underline the words with which you disagree in the text, and if you can't, then sit back and don't blather!
      80% “for” is the official figure announced by the Central Election Commission of the Republic of Belarus.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 August 2020 15: 33
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        Oh, the author has already begun to be rude ...
        Expected.
      2. Michael1950 Offline
        Michael1950 (Michael) 18 August 2020 10: 25
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        And someone in Belarus believes in it ?? laughing lol
  2. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) 17 August 2020 15: 50
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    How much pathos, how much pathos ... Here you have both "jackals" and "wounded beast" and "Balu" and "the great legacy of the USSR". And, as always, "the machinations of the devilish West." Exacerbation characteristic of Monday, probably.

    Everything is much simpler and more mundane. There is a country and its population, which is tired of the outwardly more or less prosperous, but in fact, stagnating state structure. The population wants changes for the better. The government (and the ruler) could agree to these changes voluntarily, and then the situation would be resolved quietly and peacefully. But the ruler wanted to stay in power. But Belarus is not Asia, and outside the window is not the 17th century, for which the monarchy is a familiar thing. That's all.
    1. Volkonsky Offline
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 16: 05
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      I myself do not like this mustachioed tyrant, but I have already seen on my own skin how this movement ends! Therefore, I simply warn you: the best is the enemy of the good! The road to hell is paved with good wishes! And the West has nothing to do with it! I wrote about this, but he will not miss his!
      1. kot711 Offline
        kot711 (vov) 18 August 2020 13: 27
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        I wrote about this, but he will not miss his!
        Well, the West has nothing to do with it, you have already turned it down. How many NGOs are there, how are Poland, Lithuania, and other henpecked people screaming? The fact that he (Luka) could not prepare a replacement is a big minus, but what will happen if peaceful demonstrators come along? Repetition of Ukraine, this is not going to grandmother.
        1. Volkonsky Offline
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 August 2020 14: 21
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          West to West strife! Germany is not at all interested in strengthening Poland. Poland began to stand out from the slender column of countries entering the EU under the command of the FRG and France. She pulls the blanket over herself, marking her own path, and if Belarus, Lithuania and Ukraine are under this blanket, the weight of Poland will increase many times over. Even America is not homogeneous, one should not confuse Trump, who has headed for the isolation of the United States and a departure from the politics of globalization, and his democratic environment, which is now striving for power. It was they who retained their influence on this whole pack of limitrophes, which they have now released on RB.

          I wrote that the trigger of the White Maidan was not launched at all by the States in the person of their current outgoing President, and not even by the Poles with the Lithuanians; the trigger was launched by the dad himself with his clumsy policy on the eve of the elections and immediately after. Now all this Caudle has clung to him and she will not let her go. We are talking about whether the dad will not remain or not, but when he leaves and who will replace him. This is precisely what Putin and Trump are now negotiating under the carpet. There will be a compromise candidacy. Maybe Babariko.
    2. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 August 2020 17: 02
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      The population wants changes for the better.

      Does the population know for sure what will be better?

      https://strana.ua/articles/analysis/284419-chto-budet-s-belorusskoj-ekonomikoj-bez-lukashenko-i-kak-eto-otrazitsja-na-ukraine.html
      1. Cyril Offline
        Cyril (Kirill) 17 August 2020 18: 34
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        Does not know. But the population knows that the EXISTING situation will not lead to any good either.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 August 2020 18: 41
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          And what is the problem of the EXISTING situation?
          There they put a couple of minuses to me. It is not important. I just have a question for the minus players. Well, to you personally.
          - Have you read the economic program of the opposition?

          In 2014, I was not lazy and downloaded the project of European integration of Ukraine and the EU. Everything was said there. But which of the protesters read this? Now I was looking for an economic bloc of the opposition of Belarus. I will not hide - it is difficult to find something that is carefully hidden. But you can find it.
          It will not only be worse than the EXISTING situation. It will be MUCH worse.
          However, it's up to the Belarusians to decide.

          In this state, a person stands under an icicle on a spring street, lifts his head, takes off his hat and whispers: "Well, fall! Well ?! Well, fall, fall! ..." And when the icicle finally sticks into his crown, he whispers: "So ! Very well!"
          1. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) 17 August 2020 19: 15
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            And what is the problem of the EXISTING situation?

            The Belarusian economy is strongly skewed towards the public sector, which reduces its efficiency. It is strongly tied to the raw material component and the re-export of Russian energy resources. The state suppresses the development of the private sector, in this country there are a small number of legal entities and individual entrepreneurs. Weak economic diversification, high dependence on Russia alone.

            It is no secret that the economic system of Belarus is mainly command-planned. Such a system, under certain conditions, ensures economic stability and even (sometimes) the prosperity of the state as a whole, but not the citizens themselves in particular. This has been proven both theoretically and by history - examples of socialist (all without exception) countries will help you.

            As a result, yes, the economy is not experiencing a sharp decline, but there is no growth either. The economic situation has frozen at one level, and this level is low (although it cannot be called low either). And if in the short term a stagnating economy can maintain the competitiveness of enterprises and the country as a whole, in the long term it cannot. In other words, the goods that Belarus exports now are still competitive and can find a buyer, but this will not always be the case. To keep products at a competitive level, you need to invest in production development, new technologies, etc. This requires money. They can be obtained due to the increasing profit from the sale of their products, but with stagnation, the profit does not increase, for that it is stagnation. You can attract money at the expense of investors - but investors will not burst into a country with a command-and-control model.
            1. Bakht Offline
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 August 2020 21: 15
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              Nice lecture, but not true.
              1. Cyril Offline
                Cyril (Kirill) 17 August 2020 22: 13
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                What is not true?
                1. Bakht Offline
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 August 2020 22: 41
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                  The example of the USSR shows that the command economy is not always defective. Rather the opposite. Belarusian goods are not competitive. The economy of Belarus can hardly be called a raw material.
                  The examples of the Baltic countries show that a free market alone is clearly not enough.
                  And now, putting aside the lecture, just tell me why, with the loss of the Russian market, the Baltic countries, Ukraine, Belarus, Turkey, Bulgaria are in stagnation?
                  The classical model of the economy has shown its unviability. We see it right now. And everywhere you can hear only talk of a dead end. Already the UN Secretary General calls for a fair (social) distribution. A little more, and from the rostrum of the UN they will sing hosanna to socialism. Although Guterisch himself is just a socialist.
                  It takes a lot of time to disassemble everything. But the old (economic) canon is dead. And the new (economic) canon has not yet taken root.
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                  So, a simple question: what does the loss of the Russian market mean for the Baltic States, Ukraine and Belarus? And why are they kept afloat only due to EU subsidies? And the most successful country of the former socialist camp, Poland also lives on EU subsidies

                  According to Polish Radio, Poland will receive 2021 billion euros in non-repayable grants and 2027 billion euros of loans from funds for economic recovery after the pandemic and the EU budget for the next seven years (125-34).

                  The EU prohibits subsidizing state-owned enterprises (you see, not market-based methods), but subsidizes entire states. Where is the logic?....
                  By the way, according to the IMF, in the period from 2005 to 2015, Russia subsidized the economy of Belarus for 106 billion dollars.
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                  And one more question, which was not answered. What is the economic program of the opposition in Belarus?
                  1. Cyril Offline
                    Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 13: 52
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                    The example of the USSR shows that the command economy is not always defective. Rather the opposite.

                    The example of the USSR just showed that a completely command economy is flawed. Actually, because of her (for the most part) the USSR ordered to live a long time. A very clear example, thank you.

                    Belarusian goods are not competitive.

                    Thank you for confirming my words once again.

                    The economy of Belarus can hardly be called a raw material.

                    And I did not call the economy of Belarus completely raw materials, I said that it is strongly tied to the raw material component. The supply of our own raw materials, as well as the re-export of Russian hydrocarbons to Europe, has a great weight in the structure of the economy of this country.

                    And now, putting aside the lecture, just tell me why, with the loss of the Russian market Baltic countries, Ukraine, Belarus, Turkey, Bulgaria are in stagnation?

                    Let's look at the Baltic states. Let's take Estonia. We read:

                    Among the post-communist countries, Estonia is one of the most developed. In terms of GDP per capita (nominal) - $ 23 (514nd place after Slovenia, 2). [2019] In terms of GDP per capita (PPP) - $ 1 (35rd place after Slovenia and the Czech Republic, 717). [3] As of December 2019, Estonia has the highest net average among all post-communist countries of the world (€ 1) and as of January 2019, 1257,13, the second after Slovenia (€ 1, in Estonia € 2020) net minimum wage

                    Forecast for the economy of this country:

                    The long-term prospects for the Estonian economy remain among the most promising in Europe. In 2011, real GDP growth in Estonia was 8,0%, and according to CEPII [en] forecasts, GDP per capita may grow by 2025 to the level of the northern economies of Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway. According to the same forecasts, by 2050 Estonia may become the most productive country in the EU after Luxembourg and thus become one of the five most productive countries in the world [107].

                    As for the same Ukraine, the economic downturn is a natural phenomenon that accompanies a strong turning point (in the sense of a change in direction) in the country's economy. In addition, it was the Ukrainian economy that was strongly tied to the Russian sales market, which is bad in itself. A strong economy must be diversified across markets. Ukraine is now just experiencing the consequences of the fact that its economy was tied to Russia.

                    The classical model of the economy has shown its unviability.

                    She just shows her objectivity and vitality. On the example of the same USA and some European countries, we perfectly see how an attempt to make a "welfare state" for absolutely everyone leads to the fact that too much money is allocated to the social sphere to the detriment of the interests of the production class. As a result, it ends with negative consequences for the economy.

                    Already the UN Secretary General calls for a fair (social) distribution.

                    The UN Secretary General is a political figure, he is not an expert in the field of economics.
                    And the idea of ​​"fair distribution" is flawed in its essence. Its inferiority has been confirmed by all, absolutely all socialist regimes in history.

                    And why are they kept afloat only due to EU subsidies? And the most successful country of the former socialist camp, Poland also lives on EU subsidies

                    Who said that only through subsidies? Since when did Polish Radio become an expert in the field of economics?

                    In addition, the fact that the Polish economy is supported by subsidies from the European Union during the crisis does not mean that Poland exists only at their expense. Let's start with the fact that, in fact, the EU anti-crisis budget is formed, among other things, at the expense of revenues from Poland itself.

                    And one more question, which was not answered. What is the economic program of the opposition in Belarus?

                    I don't know, I do not belong either to the Belarusian opposition or to the Belarusian pro-Lukashevists.
                    1. Bakht Offline
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 August 2020 17: 09
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                      The USSR developed so dynamically that it had to be stopped by military force.
                      You wrote that the products of Belarus are still competitive. I wrote that it is not competitive. Where were you right? Except for Russia, they don't take it anywhere. And Russia takes it to support the Belarusian industry.
                      Regarding the advantages of capitalism, you, without even noticing it, made a cannibalistic conclusion. If you like this path, then I will not interfere. But the rest of the world's population may disagree with you.
                      Have you started calculating GDP per capita again? This indicator does not give anything in an objective picture. They took Estonia and everything is all right? The Baltic states are eager to become a bridge between East and West. Without this, they will remain the limitrophes of Europe and there is no need to talk about any growth.
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                      We are talking about Belarus. The program is as follows - the privatization of industry and the reduction of workers, the abolition of the social sphere, housing and communal services to the private sector, the size of the state pension at a minimum subsistence level, the retirement age of 60 (hello to beautiful women with flowers), the abolition of trade unions, the optimization of health care and education (that is, only private medicine and education), the prohibition of the Russian language and the media, customs barriers on the border of Belarus and Russia, the rejection of economic ties with Russia and the EAEU, and withdrawal from the CSTO.
                      So, it is not an evil Putin who will impose sanctions on Belarus. It is the opposition that wants to close the Russian market for itself.
                      Flag in hand and wind in a humped back.
                      1. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) 24 August 2020 16: 59
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                        The USSR developed so dynamically that it had to be stopped by military force.

                        First, when was he "stopped by military force"?

                        Secondly, the rapid development of the USSR was in the short term and was due to the country's strong industrial lag behind the advanced powers of Europe and the United States. Then this growth slowed down significantly, and then began to stagnate altogether, which ultimately ended with the collapse of the USSR as a state.

                        You wrote that the products of Belarus are still competitive. I wrote that it is not competitive. Where were you right? Except for Russia, they don't take it anywhere. And Russia takes it to support the Belarusian industry.

                        Belarusian products are still supplied, and not only to Russia, but also to Europe. But its competitive potential is strongly exhausted, because due to ineffective management, there is no possibility of introducing innovative production technologies at state-owned enterprises of Belarus.

                        Regarding the advantages of capitalism, you, without even noticing it, made a cannibalistic conclusion. If you like this path, then I will not interfere. But the rest of the world's population may disagree with you.

                        My conclusion is not cannibalistic, but fair. Either you develop your skills and work hard to get a high salary, or you are waiting for handouts from the state, but you live like a beggar. This is true. And most of the developed countries agree with me.

                        And for some reason, under "cannibalistic capitalism", the standard of living is higher than in "non-human socialist" countries. The irony of fate, by the way, is that it was in the socialist countries in the 20th century that there were most cases of cannibalism from hunger.

                        They took Estonia and everything is all right?

                        I took it as an example. Quite objective.

                        We are talking about Belarus. The program is as follows - the privatization of industry and the reduction of workers, the abolition of the social sphere, housing and communal services to the private sector, the size of the state pension at a minimum subsistence level, the retirement age of 60 (hello to beautiful women with flowers), the abolition of trade unions, the optimization of health care and education (that is, only private medicine and education), the prohibition of the Russian language and the media, customs barriers on the border of Belarus and Russia, the rejection of economic ties with Russia and the EAEU, and withdrawal from the CSTO.

                        First, no one is going to completely abolish the social sphere. It is only about reducing the cost of it. It's the same with trade unions - no one will abolish them, they will simply reduce their influence. Find out sometime in the history of Detroit's auto industry about how unions' influence can lead. The retirement age of 60 is, in fact, the norm.

                        rejection of economic ties with Russia and the EAEU

                        Here is a complete and absolute refusal? Where is it written about? Link please?
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 August 2020 18: 03
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                        we see perfectly how an attempt to make a "welfare state" for absolutely everyone leads to the fact that too much money is allocated to the social sphere to the detriment of the interests of the production class.

                        Are these your words? For information. Many copies have been broken about what counts as the beginning of Civilization? It is believed that when people began to take care of their neighbors, this is the beginning of Civilization. In the 90s, the cannibalistic principle was implemented in the USSR - let us cut workers and increase the wages of those who remained at the expense of the cut. You propose about the same thing. And another example. Hitler reasoned about the same. Therefore, in order not to waste resources on the sick, he ordered the destruction of all the mentally ill. They are of no use, only resources are wasted on their maintenance. When you stop distributing blessings to ALL, then Civilization will end and wolf laws will triumph.
                        The USSR developed so dynamically that it was necessary to start a war against it. The Russian Empire also developed approximately. I had to stop her. The growth rates in the USSR were high not because the initial conditions were low. It's just that the efficiency was much higher. The backwardness of the USSR was caused precisely by the deviation from socialist principles. And when in the 90s Gorbachev canceled them completely, the collapse came very quickly.
                        The opposition's program has been discussed for five days. You still haven't read it? True, they are now denying it. But what is written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax.
                        First time I hear that

                        due to ineffective management, there is no possibility of introducing innovative production technologies.

                        This is something new in the economy. The whole point of "ineffective governance" in Belarus is precisely that there are surplus staff so that people do not become unemployed. See what is written above. You can "optimize" production and reduce the percentage by 25-30 percent. These are thousands of jobs and tens of thousands of people without a livelihood. And then the state will have to support them at least at the subsistence level.
                        By God, I was convinced that you have exactly cannibalistic methods of treatment.
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                        Cyril (Kirill) 24 August 2020 18: 30
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                        Are these your words?

                        Mine, of course, you read them from me.

                        Hitler reasoned about the same. Therefore, in order not to waste resources on the sick, he ordered the destruction of all the mentally ill.

                        First, the main motive of the T-4 program was to "cleanse the race" of "defective" representatives.
                        Secondly, it was Hitler who pursued a very large-scale social policy - some socialists would be envious.

                        It is believed that when people began to care about their neighbors, this is the beginning of Civilization.

                        That's right - about the neighbors.

                        In the 90s, the cannibalistic principle was implemented in the USSR - we will cut workers and those who remain at the expense of the cut will increase their wages. You propose about the same thing.

                        Because in Soviet enterprises there were a lot of people who did not do anything useful, but received a salary. It is much more cannibalistic to deprive really useful and effective workers of some of their earnings in order to feed the useless. If only there was no unemployment. This approach discourages the most important thing - the incentive to work. Indeed, why work hard if you can get paid just like that, because "to each according to his needs"?

                        When you stop distributing blessings to ALL, then Civilization will end and wolf laws will prevail.

                        And I am not saying to deprive the unprotected strata of the population (old people, children, disabled people, etc.) of all the benefits and "throw them out into the cold." But their distribution must be fair. The one who brings (or previously brought) more benefits to society - should and receive more of these benefits. Those who were less useful - less good. Those who for some reason cannot work (due to disability, age, decree, etc.) should receive support, but adequate and not to the detriment of the interests of those who work. In addition, no one canceled charity, and religious organizations are doing quite well (if they want to) with the support of such segments of the population.

                        You will stop distributing benefits to ALL, then Civilization will end and the wolf laws will prevail.

                        99,9% of human history, no social justice existed - civilization has not ended.

                        The USSR developed so dynamically that it was necessary to start a war against it. The Russian Empire also developed approximately. I had to stop her.

                        Who stopped something? Freemasons? Reptilians from Nibiru? But let's not talk about the "rotten West" - in both world wars this very West (except for the USA) suffered no less than RI and the Soviet Union.

                        The growth rates in the USSR were high not because the initial conditions were low. It's just that the efficiency was much higher

                        Yeah, the efficiency was so high that the country with the most arable land was hit by a famine with millions of victims. And the housing problem could not be solved until the very time when the USSR "began to deviate from socialist principles."

                        The opposition's program has been discussed for five days. You still haven't read it? True, they are now denying it. But what is written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax.

                        Do you have a reference to the program itself (and not to its interpretation), as I understand it?

                        For the first time I hear that "due to ineffective management there is no possibility of introducing innovative production technologies." This is something new in the economy.

                        This means you need to brush up on your knowledge of economics.

                        The whole point of "ineffective management" in Belarus lies precisely in the fact that there are surplus staff so that people do not become unemployed.

                        That's it. Contains ineffective employees, if only there is no unemployment. Union on this (including) in due time and burned out.
                        Unemployment is a normal and natural thing. The only task is to ensure that it is not too high and that the unemployed have the opportunity to find a job, making certain efforts.

                        You can "optimize" production and reduce the percentage by 25-30 percent. These are thousands of jobs and tens of thousands of people without a livelihood. And then the state will have to support them at least at the subsistence level.

                        Everything is correct. Since the cost of living is, by definition, less than wages, the government spends less. And people have an incentive to make efforts to ensure a dignified existence for themselves, and not sit on the priest exactly, knowing that the salary will be paid anyway, even if they do not strain too much.

                        By God, I was convinced that you have exactly cannibalistic methods of treatment.

                        I have normal "methods of treatment" that correspond to reality, and not to utopian fantasies about developed communism.
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 25 August 2020 09: 17
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                        Everything is clear to me. The program is similar to Hitler's. It provides for the physical destruction of those who are unable to work productively. Hitler did not mean only the mentally ill.
                        As for optimization, as a result of the reforms of the 90s, hundreds of thousands (if not millions) died.
                        You can now observe social distribution in the States. Or Sweden. The idea of ​​a "guaranteed subsistence mini mind" does not cause anything but disgust to me.
                        You just have a bad idea of ​​the economy of socialism. Utopian communism has absolutely nothing to do with it.
                        The fact that the West has suffered as a result of wars does not make it white and fluffy. Both world wars are on his conscience. Like the vast majority of wars throughout history.
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        Fekla Ivanova (Fekla Ivanova) 24 August 2020 16: 40
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        The economic situation is frozen at the same level

        Against the backdrop of the emptying and devastated, truly stagnant Baltic republics, stability is an achievement!

        the goods that Belarus exports now are still competitive and can find a buyer

        Nice pie like this:
        30% of the global market for heavy-duty dump trucks,
        10% of the global wheeled tractor market.
        Wow, huh? So maybe that's the point? Competitors are being removed by Western "Democratic friends"!
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          Cyril (Kirill) 24 August 2020 17: 05
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          The demand for Belarusian dump trucks has been falling lately, and this began long before the protests. These are good dump trucks, but they are gradually becoming obsolete.
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          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 24 August 2020 18: 14
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          30% of the global heavy haul truck market

          Deputy General Director of OJSC BELAZ Stanislav Yakubovich (2018)
          BELAZ is an export-oriented enterprise: the main share of supplies falls on Russia.

          Today, our company holds about 30% of the world market, occupies a worthy one among the leading manufacturers of heavy-duty mining dump trucks, has enough experience, skills and resources to set itself and successfully solve new, higher tasks in 2018 and subsequent years.

          - In which countries are BELAZ products most in demand? How favorable are the conditions for export to the markets of the EAEU and far abroad and what obstacles arise in the way of promoting products?

          - Historically, Russia is the main sales market, however, constant work is underway to increase supplies to Asia (Indonesia, Vietnam, India, Mongolia), Europe (Bulgaria, Estonia, Serbia, Poland, Bosnia and Herzegovina), Africa (Angola , Zimbabwe, Morocco, South Africa).

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          10% of the global wheeled tractor market

          Minsk Tractor Plant maintains a leading position among tractor manufacturers in the CIS. According to the Deputy General Director for Production Viktor Astapenko, in 2002. the share of tractors among wheeled models manufactured by CIS factories amounted to 75,7%, over 8 months - 78,3%. According to V. Astapenko, today there are about 100 tractor manufacturers in the world, but only 8 of them provide 96% of the total volume of the world market for this equipment. MTZ is one of the eight world leaders in tractor manufacturing along with the world famous companies John Deere, Case, Massey Ferggusson, Volmet, Ford, Deutz, New Holland. MTZ retains an 8-10% share of the world wheeled tractor market. Belarusian products are known in 140 countries on all continents of the world. This year, deliveries are made to 54 countries. Most of the tractors produced by MTZ are sold in Russia.

          Of course, that's also the point. Maybe even the main goal. Production is mostly focused on Russia. Russia may well replace Belarusian products. Will Belarus be able to find a similarly capacious market in Europe?

          PS Do not judge strictly. The quotes are probably old. There is simply no time to search for more modern data.
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    Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 August 2020 18: 04
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    There is a country and its population, which is tired of even outwardly more or less prosperous

    The prosperous can only be replaced by the unsuccessful. Overweight hamsters are unhappy with one thing - they are forced to work. They do not want to work, but want to travel to resorts and abroad. The inability to see beyond one's own nose is precisely the property of a hamster. Lukashenka will be dumped, not dumped - the majority of protesters and strikers are exposed to tourism in Estonian strawberry meadows.
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      Cyril (Kirill) 17 August 2020 18: 36
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      The prosperous can only be replaced by the unsuccessful.

      Even a good life can turn into a better one if you don't know. Moreover, prosperity in Belarus is only visible.

      Overweight hamsters are unhappy with one thing - they are forced to work. They do not want to work, but want to travel to resorts and abroad.

      laughing laughing Have you personally spoken to each of the protesters to assert this?)
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        akarfoxhound 18 August 2020 10: 52
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        Cyril, personally interviewed each to deny it ??? laughing laughing laughing
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          Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 13: 04
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          Among tens of thousands of protesters, at least in accordance with the laws of mathematical statistics and the theory of probability, there will be a large percentage of people who work quite normally for themselves, and do not make a mess.
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        Satellite (Satellite) 18 August 2020 10: 53
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        Even a good life can change for a better one

        Give a specific example, please.

        Have you personally spoken to each of the protesters to assert this?)

        Ask yourself the same question.
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          Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 13: 03
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          Give a specific example, please.

          Yes Easy.
          South Korea, which already at the end of the 80s was both an industrialized and quite prosperous country, but with an authoritarian political regime that hindered its further development. In the late 80s and early 90s, public unrest in this country led to a change of the regime to a liberal one, democratic elections were held, and the country received real political competition. And from just an industrialized country, South Korea has turned into a global industrial giant.

          Ask yourself the same question.

          And it's easy to answer. Among the tens of thousands of protesters, at least simply by the laws of mathematical statistics, there will be people who are quite capable of working for themselves.

          And, by the way, to be able to travel to resorts and abroad is a normal natural right of any normal person. In a healthy society.
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            Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 18 August 2020 13: 31
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            Quote: Cyril
            to be able to travel to resorts and abroad is a normal natural right of any normal person.

            For a normal WORKING person. And trying with all your might to get rid of work is suicidal.
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              Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 13: 56
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              And who said that the protesters in Belarus are not working people?
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            Satellite (Satellite) 18 August 2020 13: 47
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            public unrest in this country led to a regime change to a liberal one, democratic elections were held, and the country received real political competition. And from just an industrialized country, South Korea has turned into a global industrial giant.

            An example would be nice, but there is one problem.)

            Why on earth are you linking the transformation of Korea from an industrialized country into a world industrial giant, with a change in the political system?)

            Korea has achieved these successes not at all because of the change of political regime.
            Its development began immediately after the Korean War, and is due to the appearance in the country of "Chaebols" (these are something like oligarchic clans).
            And it was the chaebols that largely determined the country's economic situation, and they also became the reason for the rapid development of South Korea after a long stagnation.
            And since these chaebols all this time did not disappear anywhere, the country's economy has been dynamically developing all this time, and is developing further.
            What the change in the political system has to do with this, apparently, only you know.)

            So do not try to shine here with your "half-knowledge / half-guessing".
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              Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 16: 00
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              Why on earth are you linking the transformation of Korea from an industrialized country into a world industrial giant, with a change in the political system?)

              Everything is very simple. Before South Korea switched to a free political regime, the chabols mainly worked for the domestic market (under government orders), for the US military (under an alliance agreement) and for contracts for its closest neighbors, primarily Japan and, to some extent, China. That is, the market for their products was very limited.

              Chobols entered the world market in the late 80s and early 90s. It was at this time that they began to fully cooperate with the states and private enterprises of Western Europe, Latin America, the post-Soviet space. Their civilian products began to enter the domestic markets of the United States and China. It was precisely the access to the wide world market that made the chobols not only industrially developed, but still the "domestic" enterprises that they were before, but one of the largest transnational corporations in the world.

              In addition, the liberalization of the political system gave more freedom to the chabols themselves, who until that moment were quite strictly controlled by the state and worked according to plans (five-year plans). Now conglomerates could decide for themselves what and in what quantities they need to produce. This means greater flexibility in responding to market conditions and therefore greater operational efficiency.
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                Satellite (Satellite) 18 August 2020 16: 24
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                Chobols entered the world market in the late 80s and early 90s. It was at this time that they began to fully cooperate with states and private enterprises in Western Europe.

                Well, that's right. In the late 80's and early 90's. That is, the recovery began before Korea became a democracy.
                And in 1989 Korea simply entered the "Major non-NATO ally" list, and received a special status of relations with the United States, which made them diplomatic, military and strategic partners outside NATO.
                (The Americans have deployed a large military contingent in Korea.)
                This provided a powerful boost to the Korean economy.
                In addition, in 1992, Korea restored diplomatic relations with China. This led to the dynamic development of trade and economic relations between the countries. Korea received a significant sales market in China, which gave an additional impetus to the development of Korea.
                And where in all this did you see the role of changing the political order?
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                  Cyril (Kirill) 19 August 2020 00: 13
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                  Well, that's right. In the late 80's and early 90's. That is, the recovery began before Korea became a democracy.

                  The first free elections were held in Korea in 1987 :)

                  And in 1989 Korea simply entered the "Major non-NATO ally" list, and received a special status of relations with the United States, which made them diplomatic, military and strategic partners outside NATO.

                  That is precisely why in many respects it received a special status, because it switched to a liberal political regime :)

                  (The Americans have deployed a large military contingent in Korea.)

                  It was posted there earlier, until the end of the 80s.

                  In addition, in 1992, Korea restored diplomatic relations with China. This led to the dynamic development of trade and economic relations between the countries. Korea received a significant sales market in China, which gave an additional impetus to the development of Korea.

                  Therefore, it restored that the tough military regime, generally opposed to China (as a direct ally of the DPRK), was replaced by a liberal one, which softened the rhetoric in relation to China, and in relation to the DPRK, and in relation to Japan (with which South Korea is there was a contradiction).

                  And where in all this did you see the role of changing the political order?

                  All of the above. And this is only a small part of the positive impact of the change of course on the economic power of Kazakhstan. smile
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                Satellite (Satellite) 18 August 2020 16: 36
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                In addition, the liberalization of the political system gave more freedom to the chaebols themselves, who until that moment were quite strictly controlled by the state and worked according to plans (five-year plans).

                Gave more freedom to chaebols? Is it okay that chaebols from the very beginning controlled 46% of all production in the country?) Well, what do you think, who could dictate freedom to whom? These chaebols, or as it is fashionable to call today - lobbies, and today completely control the entire economic and political system in the country. The same is true, by the way, in all other "democratic" states. And all this so-called "democracy" is nothing more than "blurring the eyes" for those who believe in these tales.
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                  Cyril (Kirill) 19 August 2020 00: 33
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                  Gave more freedom to chaebols? Is it okay that chaebols from the very beginning controlled 46% of all production in the country?)

                  They controlled the economy, but they themselves were controlled by an authoritarian military government :) As, for example, in the Third Reich German concerns also controlled the economy itself, but what to do in this very economy, the Nazi government told them.

                  These chaebols, or as it is fashionable to call today - lobbies, and today completely control the entire economic and political system in the country.

                  First, lobbies and chaebols are two completely different concepts. The lobby is the activity, and the chaebols are the financial and industrial conglomerate.

                  Secondly, this is precisely why South Korean corporations have to lobby for their interests, because they cannot simply take and impose them in a direct directive way. The situation is exactly the same in Japan, in the United States, and in other developed capitalist countries.

                  And all this so-called "democracy" is nothing more than "blurring the eyes" for those who believe in these tales.

                  Democracy, for all its imperfection, is built on the principle of competition between different political forces. Competition is often unfair, with undercover dirty games and intrigues - but competition. This very competition does not allow the political and, as a result, the economic system to ossify. This is the main driving force of a democratic regime.

                  It was the transition from monarchist-absolutist (or other authoritarian) to constitutional-democratic rails that made Britain, France, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, and Germany the largest empires that controlled most of the globe. It was the constitutional democratic regime that turned the United States from a peripheral colony into a world leader. It was Stolypin's democratic reforms that began at the beginning of the 20th century that gave impetus to the development of the Russian Empire - however, Nicholas II got scared of them and turned them down, which is why he received first the February and then the October revolution.

                  And the solution is simple. A democratic regime allows all segments of the population through their political representatives to achieve their economic interests. This opportunity gives these very layers an incentive to work and develop. The competition of these very interests also, on the one hand, stimulates all strata of the population to work to achieve their interests, and on the other hand, to try to find a compromise of these very interests with each other. This provides the democratic system with relative stability.

                  These common truths are taught in history and social studies lessons in schools. It is a pity that you skipped her.
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                    Satellite (Satellite) 19 August 2020 00: 49
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                    only they themselves were controlled by an authoritarian military government

                    Yes, yes .. I understand .. controlled ..
                    Yes, General Park Jong Hee, so you know, was the creator / godfather of these chaebols)) Only after him, no one controlled the chaebols. Since then, they themselves have been making the entire policy of the South Caucasus.
                    Okay, tired))
                    Here, read if interested:

                    http://www.fa.ru/science/studevents/mnsk/IV/

                    Scientific% 20 direction% 20 international% 20 economic% 20 relations / Microeconomics / Savelieva% 20 A.S.pdf
      3. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
        Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 18 August 2020 13: 29
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        Quote: Cyril
        Have you personally spoken to each of the protesters to assert this?)

        I, personally, was a hamster myself in 1986. TV, tape recorder, apartment, for lunch I ate only barbecue (6 sticks 35 kopecks each) - and was unhappy with everything. Then Gorbachev brought the country to the handle, but the kebabs and the tape recorder remained. And in 92 it was over. He quit his job, spun like a mongoose around a cobra, for every tenge - and learned to appreciate what is, and not dreams of justice. I got out, bought a house with land, became almost independent from the state (it doesn't bother with my affairs), and now I understand how a monthly salary calms me down.
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          Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 16: 19
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          He quit his job, spun like a mongoose around a cobra, for every tenge - and learned to appreciate what is, and not dreams of justice.

          That's it. We learned to value what we have (what we have earned ourselves), and not dreams of a universal communist paradise, where "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" (it is difficult to think of a more stupid principle).

          I got out, bought a house with land, withTal is almost independent of the state (it doesn’t go into my affairs)

          Bingo. That's it.

          and now I understand how a monthly salary is soothing.

          Certainly.

          You need to understand one simple but important thing. You can't pull it out without difficulty. The illusion of general social welfare, where the state of everyone, regardless of how it works, will provide everything you need (even more - everything you want) - this is an impossible utopia in reality. A system built on such a principle cannot maintain its existence for a long time. The USSR held out for a relatively long time only because it had large resources (natural and human) that it could spend on maintaining this utopia. The Chinese leadership looked at the example of the USSR and reformed at least the economic component of their country, partially transferring it to a market track. Vietnam, Cuba and other countries of pure socialism did the same. Even the DPRK is slowly beginning to introduce market instruments in its country.
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            Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 18 August 2020 16: 32
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            not dreams of a universal communist paradise

            What are the dreams of the protesters in Belarus today? Only about justice. But the difference between the concept of justice among workers and the ruling elite is not understood. For an employee - work less, get more. For the elite - for the rich to praise. Russia of the 90s, Ukraine of the 10s is a vivid example of this. It is unlikely that European integration on the Maidan was seen in the form of layoffs in Ukraine and permission to work in the EU garden beds for 14 hours. But Poroshenko is a model for the EU! Papuan ...
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              Cyril (Kirill) 19 August 2020 00: 52
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              What are the dreams of the protesters in Belarus today? Only about justice.

              Even if the protesting Belarusians do not have a clear economic program (I fully admit that it does), this does not mean that the Lukashenka government's economy was in order.

              But the difference between the concept of justice among workers and the ruling elite is not understood. For an employee - work less, get more. For the elite - for the rich to praise.

              These are your ideas about their dreams, not the dreams themselves.

              To work a little, and to receive a lot - this is not justice, but a parasite. Equity is getting paid worthy of the work invested.

              Russia of the 90s, Ukraine of the 10s is a vivid example of this.

              Any country with a sharp change of course, even a more progressive one, will initially experience difficulties. That is why we need not an abrupt change of course, but a smooth one - to mitigate the costs of the transition to a new political and economic system.

              The trouble with Russia (USSR) in the late 80s, as well as today's Belarus, is precisely that their governments tried to preserve an ineffective political and economic system by hook or by crook, instead of smoothly changing it into a more progressive one under their own control. As a result, instead of evolution, we got a revolution - which, naturally, is always accompanied by a period of decline.

              Let's take the opposite example - the same South Korea. In it, the authoritarian political regime itself contributed to the fact that it was replaced by a progressive democratic one. As a result, there was no revolution and decline, but a new, stronger impetus to development. Another example is Japan in the Meiji era. The ruling elite (Emperor, shogunate, aristocracy) as a whole also voluntarily renounced authoritarianism in favor of a constitutional monarchy. As a consequence - the absence of an all-embracing revolution (there was a very short civil war that affected a small part of the population) and a period of decline, despite a radical change in the socio-political system.
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                Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 19 August 2020 13: 02
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                the authoritarian political regime itself contributed to the fact that it was replaced by a progressive democratic one.

                Oh, just don't talk about progressive. The first three presidents were quite progressively under investigation for corruption. One seems to have been imprisoned. And doing business after 1980 in Korea became much more difficult.
                The elite is the elite, became the boss - distribute the positions to relatives. What a dictator, what a democratic president, what Lukashenka, what Putin.
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                  Cyril (Kirill) 19 August 2020 17: 20
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                  The first three presidents were quite progressively under corruption investigation

                  Precisely, that were under investigation. It is impossible under an authoritarian regime :) And corruption exists under it too.
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                    Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 19 August 2020 20: 02
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                    Under an authoritarian regime, this is impossible :)

                    With a democratic American, it is also impossible. They singled out intermediaries for bribes, called them lobbyists, and the lobbyist brings in the money only after the client resigns. He pays tax on bribes for all the years - and is clean as a lamb!
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            Satellite (Satellite) 18 August 2020 20: 45
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            The USSR held out for a relatively long time only because it had large resources (natural and human) that it could spend on maintaining this utopia.

            Wow, how cleverly you changed your shoes in the air!))
            Until recently, you considered the resource base "fantasies")

            Cyril Today, 04:32 -5
            Russia has a resource base of 3 world wars that will easily survive.

            What rampant fantasies)

            Do you still believe your own words? Chatterbox!)
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              Cyril (Kirill) 19 August 2020 00: 55
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              Wow, how cleverly you changed your shoes in the air!))
              Until recently, you considered the resource base "fantasies")

              - no new shoes. I did not call the resource base of the USSR fantasies, but the fact that it would help him "easily withstand 3 world wars." The USSR barely survived the Second World War, but did not endure the Cold War, which requires much less resources than the "hot" war.

              So in my words there is no lie, no change of shoes. And you are the chatterbox.
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    nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 18 August 2020 12: 43
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    Old fairy tales, all this has already passed, Kirill. No need to tell, quietly, peacefully in Czechoslovakian ended with repressions against the peacefully losers. There was such a state - Czechoslovakia, it is almost impossible to find materials about what happened in the public domain.
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      Cyril (Kirill) 19 August 2020 00: 56
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      There was such a state - Czechoslovakia, it is almost impossible to find materials about what happened in the public domain.

      laughing But you, despite this, from somewhere know the True Truth (tm), right?)
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    Bulanov (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 15: 58
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    Curfew, checking documents to identify terrorists, the introduction of CSTO troops on the western border of Belarus. Enough for a start. When the strikers see their low wages at the end of the month, let them turn to the protesters with questions. It's only the beginning! And if the Trade Union thinks that it will remain in chocolate after the coup, let it not flatter itself - it will be dispersed and multiplied by zero.
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    cmonman (Garik Mokin) 17 August 2020 16: 35
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    Question to the author:
    If there are fair elections, why should the economy of the Republic of Belarus collapse?
    Because Vladimir Volkonsky already knows in advance that “this democracy” will be in Putin's throat and he, Putin, will do everything possible to economically strangle Belarus. And this can be done easily by refusing to buy mechanical engineering and agricultural products. After the economy of the Republic of Belarus is destroyed, Putin (and the Russians) will say "and we warned ...!"
    This happened in Ukraine, the economy of which was tied to Russia, and so it will be with the economy of the Republic of Belarus. There is nothing to bring the future collapse to the West - Putin's system “who is not with us is against us” will work and the author knows about it.
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      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 August 2020 17: 04
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      The closure of the Russian market is an axiom. This is not a whim of Putin or the machinations of the Kremlin. This is the law of economics. The principle "who is not with us is against us" is ABSOLUTELY correct. And it works always and everywhere.
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      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 August 2020 17: 39
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      The author, unlike you, a clever guy, knows what "fair" elections in Ukraine are, when in 2004 Janek won them honestly, the same clever people like you forced him to hold the third round, which was not provided for by the Constitution, in which he won honestly Yushchenko. You know how it ended for Ukraine. But the Beekeeper then could not finish her off, which the Confectioner did for him. And it was not Putin who refused to buy Ukrainian products in 3, but Ukraine itself, on the insistent recommendation of Fashington, refused to supply it to the aggressor - both Nikolaev gas turbine engines for Russian frigates, and Zaporozhye engines for Russian Helicopters, and Kharkov turbines, and An aircraft under a joint project ... Now these enterprises do not exist - Antonov is selling out the territory in the center of Kiev, KhAZ is bankrupt, Turboatom is barely making ends meet, Nikolaev's Zorya-Mashproekt dismisses new unnecessary employees, the Chinese wanted to buy Zaporozh-Sich, and Fashington banned it. Is Putin to blame, or did the Ukrainians spite their mother again frostbitten their soup themselves?
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      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 17 August 2020 18: 15
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      Quote: cmonman
      There is nothing to bring the future collapse to the West - Putin's system "who is not with us is against us" will work and the author knows about it.

      Licking a sirloin place for the West, and eating in Russia - of course, Russians are not to their liking. Why not the other way around? Why the West drove Ukraine under monstrous quotas - the Ukrainian farmer produces 10 thousand tons of chicken meat, and his quota in the EU is 200 tons. Why not 7 thousand? Honey - 50 tons, butter - 1000 tons ... Sell to Russia, bark at Russia, but buy from us and give the money to us!
      No, I chose the owner - let the owner feed.
      The same Milosevic, when Yeltsin proposed an alliance to Yugoslavia in 97, he only grimaced - we are free, we are with the West. And Old Man's mind caught up with Milosevic. Neither Yugoslavia nor Ukraine is an example for him.
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      123 (123) 17 August 2020 23: 04
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      Because Vladimir Volkonsky already knows in advance that “this democracy” will be in Putin's throat and he, Putin, will do everything possible to economically strangle Belarus. And this can be done easily by refusing to buy mechanical engineering and agricultural products. After the economy of the Republic of Belarus is destroyed, Putin (and the Russians) will say "and we warned ...!"

      To economically strangle Belarus, it is enough to stop subsidies. Nobody closes the market from them, but it does not help, the balance in trade between the countries is negative. There is less and less demand for Belarusian goods in Russia. We send the same chicken to China and Ukraine, and Belarus comes to us. How can they increase sales in such conditions? And everything goes to Europe according to quotas.
      Why doesn't Mr. Trump help a young democracy and open up his own market? Or give instructions to the Polish-Lithuanian lackeys to open their market?

      After the economy of the Republic of Belarus is destroyed, Putin (and the Russians) will say "and we warned ...!" This happened in Ukraine, the economy of which was tied to Russia, and so it will be with the economy of the Republic of Belarus. There is nothing to bring the future collapse to the West - Putin's system “who is not with us is against us” will work and the author knows about it.

      Believe it or not, Ukraine was told so. yes Even before the Maidan. They honestly warned that this is the border between the EU and the Eurasian Economic Community, there is no free flow of goods. If they sign an association with the EU, all benefits for them are terminated, because goods will rush through them to us. And what do you think they did? They didn't believe it. request

      So, will you open the market for Belarus? Or maybe you can help with subsidies?
      You can only bomb and destroy countries. Your West stinks for a long time. We are waiting in a month - "TRUMP LEAVE". Down with the dictator and Putin's agent negative
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    Georgievic (Georgievic) 17 August 2020 19: 20
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    Quote: Cyril
    Even a good life can turn into a better one if you don't know. Moreover, prosperity in Belarus is only visible.

    You're really bad. Name where life has changed for the better over the past 30 years. Yugoslavia, Armenia, Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela, Syria, Ukraine. The Balts do not count, this is where the visible prosperity will end as soon as the donors realize that they are being milked.
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      Cyril (Kirill) 18 August 2020 13: 11
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      where life has changed for the better over the past 30 years. Yugoslavia, Armenia, Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela, Syria, Ukraine.

      In some countries of the former Yugoslavia, life is now much better than in the days of this very Yugoslavia. Montenegro, Croatia do not have enough stars from the sky, but they live better than under the socialist regime.

      Georgia, by the way, now also lives quite well.

      The Balts do not count, this is where the visible prosperity will end as soon as the donors realize that they are being milked.

      laughing Well, yes, well, yes)) Everything that does not fit into your picture of the world does not count, yeah :) What about supposedly "donors" - otherwise, right in Germany and France, such idyots are sitting that "milking" is not seen, yeah. Don't judge yourself by other people.
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    Georgievic (Georgievic) 17 August 2020 19: 32
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    Quote: cmonman
    For Putin, "this democracy" will be in the throat and he, Putin, will do everything possible to economically strangle the Republic of Belarus. ...
    ... So it happened in Ukraine, whose economy was tied to Russia, so it will be with the economy of the Republic of Belarus.

    Dear, the answer to one question "Who benefits from it?" shows. that you are an information abscess! As a result of "Putin's pressure" Russia has lost its gas turbine engines for ships and helicopters, transport planes and much more?
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      Rum rum (Rum rum) 17 August 2020 22: 15
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      + Especially about the "abscess" liked it.
      hi
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      cmonman (Garik Mokin) 18 August 2020 02: 51
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      As a result of "Putin's pressure" Russia lost ...

      Tell me, what has Ukraine lost? Or after which Russia “lost” ...?
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        Rum rum (Rum rum) 21 August 2020 01: 55
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        Answer: After the coup in Ukraine.
        And now, who is interested in this, what has the "tse gairopa" lost? You now have an association with the EU (this time). Who introduced bans on trade with Russia (the same turbines), isn't it "tse gairopa"? (that's two).

        Eat. Don't slap on it. A bright future for you, non-brothers.
  • Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 17 August 2020 20: 12
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    The outcome of the game into democracy is quite expected ...
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    John Silver_2 (John Silver) 17 August 2020 21: 15
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    A year later, Belarus will slide into the 90s and will again swell with hunger.
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    Netyn (Netyn) 17 August 2020 21: 39
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    ending with disconnecting the internet

    Lies number of times.
    Maybe share, a source of information that it was Lukashenka who hacked the Internet.

    and none of the 4,6 million who voted for him

    Lies number two, and then did not read. Continuing the Goebbels work.
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 18 August 2020 00: 20
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    - Yes, personally I'm in the subject:

    Only Russia can save Belarus from large-scale de-industrialization

    - has already spoken in detail on this matter ... - there is no point in repeating ...
    - In short ... - Belarus has only two ways ... and both only in the downward direction:
    1. Going to the West ... is a quick way into the fetid "Ukrainian pit" ...
    2. Close cooperation with Russia and subsequent unification with it ... is a relatively slower way of attenuation of all life processes in Belarus and the extinction of all its economic, social and civil processes ...
    - What do you want??? - This is capitalism ... - his wolfish and merciless grin ... - There is no other way ...
    - Russian oligarchs will not stand on ceremony with Belarus ... - They will simply tear Belarus apart, trample it and devour it ... - They will not stand on ceremony with Belarus ...
    - And it is not worth telling tales about supposedly some kind of "economic cooperation" and about "united industrial prosperity" and general "social welfare", etc. etc...
    - In order for all this to be ... - you need a completely different socio-political system and a completely different basis for economic development ... Simply put ... you need a socialist path of development ... - Socialism is needed ... - that's all ...
    - And so the whole of Belarus will simply go around the world ... - with its friendly columns of the unemployed ...
    - Russia does not need Belarusian industrial enterprises with their products; nor her agriculture; nor the health and education system; state structures of law and order (Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB, army); who are now in Belarus ... - All this will simply be cut off oxygen and all this will wither away and fall apart ... - After all, in order for the Belarusian economy to somehow survive ... - it is necessary in Russia to close hundreds of factories, factories, industrial complexes, t .e. dozens (or even hundreds) of Russian industrial cities leave without work and without means of subsistence ... - What is there incomprehensible ... -Such things ...
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      kot711 (vov) 18 August 2020 13: 35
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      Irina, the rams shouldn't prove that they are rams. There are also, for example, specimens who piously believe in the free market and the prosperity of capitalism.
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        gorenina91 (Irina) 18 August 2020 15: 33
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        it is not worth the rams to prove that they are rams.

        - Alas .., but you're right ... - personally, no matter how much I tried to find at least some progressive principles ... - what's in the free market; that in the very thriving prosperity ... - I never found anything ... - "It's hard to find a black cat in a dark room ... - especially since it's not there" ... - that's the whole answer .. ...
        - That's not even a jump-start ... - the periods of the last century: from 1960 to 1980 ... - only 20 years; and what is the progress of the living standards of people who lived in Russia ... - After all, the cities where people live today and the houses where they live ... - all this was built and distributed to people who did not work in factories and factories .., then under the USSR ...
        - And take the period from 1990 to 2020 ... - that's 30 years ... - And over these 30 years ... - no new cities; no new houses that people would get from factories ... - Yes and the factories and factories themselves ... - the cat cried ...
        - Well at least the USSR managed to build hospitals and hospitals (which are now completely dilapidated); and a system of health care and education was created (which today are in a deplorable state) ... otherwise the people in Russia would have completely died out ...
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    Dmitry Anokhin (Dmitry Anokhin) 18 August 2020 08: 21
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    Excellent article.
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    Sergey A_2 (Siberian Yuzhanin) 19 August 2020 07: 09
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    Grigorich well done! Dad, hold on, they will jump a little more and calm down.
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      Olegek (Oleg) 20 August 2020 09: 24
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      Grigorich well done! Dad, hold on, they will jump a little more and calm down.

      In general, he is a criminal.
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    Georgievic (Georgievic) 20 August 2020 19: 08
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    Grigorich well done! Dad, hold on, they will jump a little more and calm down.

    In general, he is a criminal.

    Descendants will be judged, not "useful idiots" who do not sit "bad" as on heroine!
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    Jack clubs (Eugene) 23 August 2020 16: 25
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    The people are just tired of Luke!

    And why did they cry about Stalin and came in thousands to say goodbye? Out of fear?
    Why repeat a hackneyed, common explanation? And even imported? Helping the enemy? Not for money, but out of stupidity.
    Both Lukashenka and 100% (I cannot name even one exception) of his and Putin's supporters are capable exclusively of arguments of sausage and stability. And so they wonder why they are not popular. With all their intelligence, they are not able to understand that from the outside they are quilted jackets, pensioners and autocrats. Impersonation of regression and what's not cool.
    And no matter how much you say on different sites the simple truth that "without ideology, we are dead", they only laugh and grin. And without a good political officer, the war cannot be won.