The future of the Ukrainian Air Force: single-engine Super Tucano instead of heavy Su-27


Since 2014, Ukraine believes that it is in a state of war with Russia, which is officially recognized as an “aggressor”. Some there policy and at all call to go by force to beat off Crimea back, preparing to "go in the first row." However, the real enemy for Kiev is not so much Moscow as its own people, both living in Donbass and in other regions of the country. What gives reason to believe so?


In modern warfare, air supremacy is essential. The state of the Ukrainian Air Force is depressing: by 2025, most of the Su-27 and MiG-29 remaining from the USSR will have to be written off. In order not to be left without combat aviation at all, Kiev needs to start the process of updating its fleet and retraining its pilots right now. Experts point out that fundamental decisions should be made by the end of 2020. The most interesting thing is in what kind of aircraft the choice will be made, since this will show what kind of enemy the Powers are going to fight against.

A while ago we told about ambitious plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by 2035 to completely abandon the "Soviet legacy" and switch to "correct" aircraft of the NATO model. According to the renovation program, until 2035, Kiev intends to purchase 108 American F-16 Block 70/72 aircraft or Swedish Saab JAS-39 Gripen, forming four brigades of them. All this, of course, is very cool, but about 10 billion dollars must be spent on the purchase of foreign fighters, plus another 6,5 on updating air defense systems. The total is $ 16,5 billion, not a sickly amount for Independent, tearfully begging for the next tranche from the IMF to avoid default.

If by some miracle the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have a decent combat aviation and a modern air defense system, this can really be considered a certain problem for the RF Ministry of Defense, since this is a real step towards a possible local war. However, there is some reason to believe that Ukraine will once again prefer to limit itself to imitation. In autumn, Kiev will host the International Aviation and Space Salon "Aviasvit XXI", where, most likely, it will be determined what the Nezalezhnaya Air Force will fly and who will be hit from the air.

Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano


The first applicant for this role can fly to Ukraine not from NATO countries, but from distant Brazil. It is a lightweight turboprop attack aircraft originally designed to fight the Colombian guerrillas. Its maximum speed is 590 km / h, flight range - 1 km, combat load 330 tons. The light attack aircraft can carry two 1,6-mm FN Herstal M12,7 machine guns, 3-mm automatic cannons, air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, as well as cluster, incendiary and precision bombs.

Against the partisans, the very thing. Tucano has no chance against modern fighters. Its only real advantage is its low price, from 10 to 14 million dollars, depending on the configuration, as well as cheapness and ease of maintenance. In addition to Brazil itself, the budget strike aircraft was appreciated by 18 states, even the United States bought a couple for testing. Interest in the "stormtrooper for the poor" in Kiev was shown in 2019, and substantive agreements may be concluded in October at the air show.

UTL-450


However, the “Brazilian” also has a national competitor. Several years ago, Motor Sich began modernizing the Soviet Yak-52 by installing an AI-450S turboprop engine on it. Despite the fact that this is a training aircraft, the novelty, called the UTL-450, is positioned by the Cossacks as a potential light attack aircraft, on which weapons can be installed. Warheads UB-32 with unguided missiles can fit under the wings. It is clear that on a real battlefield such an ultralight attack aircraft has nothing special to do, they will be swept away in half a minute. But to shoot at the building of some regional administration seized by the protesters is just right.

It is quite possible that for several F-16s in Kiev they will still find money for "parades". But if the aircraft fleet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine begins to replenish with such assault products, it will already be possible to say unequivocally who is the real enemy for the Ukrainian regime, Russia or its own people.
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  1. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 10: 42
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    Tucano is not in place of Su. Instead of Su and MiGs, it is planned to purchase American F-15s. And the question of buying "Tucano" seems to have disappeared. They bought Turkish drones instead. Negotiations are underway for their production in Ukraine. And also the creation of its own UAV "Sokol-200" KB Luch. The mock-up of the device is planned to be shown this fall.
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    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 9 August 2020 11: 04
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      The troops are now an integrated business of a multitude of components, and having one or two components, one can not talk about combat-ready troops. The talks about the war with the Russian Federation in Ukraine are conducted only out of fear, nothing more, they will attack loudly only from the stands ...
    3. General Black Online
      General Black (Gennady) 9 August 2020 11: 11
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      Tucano is not in place of Su. Instead of Su and MiGs, it is planned to purchase American F-15s. And the question of buying "Tucano" seems to have disappeared.

      Is there enough money for the F-15? Have you started to create drones? It's a good idea, just not for your performance. You will not undertake anything, you get such a "high-tech" product.

      https://2020-08/1596960492_286150656_n.jpg

      This "weapon" was produced at the Nikolaev shipyard.
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 18: 38
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        H'm. Didn't they tell you about Akinchi?
    4. akarfoxhound Offline
      akarfoxhound 9 August 2020 21: 18
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      Of course, enough for an F-15, yeah. laughing The Su-27 was created as a counterweight to the 15th, in 1996 we in Savastlake (PPL PLC air defense) "unscrewed" amers from Elmendorf in full. In 1992 in Ukraine there were 2 regiments with Su-27 - Mirgorod (series 3) and Belbek (series 32 - extreme ones, issued in the union). You, being the smartest in 1994, sell Belbek aircrafts to Africa (with a flight time of up to 300 hours each) and keep the most ancient, first series. And you, for all the time of independence, never had the money to keep what you really could afford, you turned drying quite briskly into a flying g, without serving properly. And now the plane, superior to the Amer, you are going to change for the same Amer, and in the most expensive version ?! And the coolest thing is that in terms of wealth you have set yourself on the bar with such countries with F-15s as the USA, Israel, Japan and Saudi Arabia, it's cool ...
      laughing laughing laughing
      To you in a ward with such corrosive mriyas. wassat
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 August 2020 11: 12
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    Here they are ugly, there are mermaids. Nothing unusual. Have you ever written about the southern presidents who sometimes carry out maneuvers on a bicycle with a pistol, or on camels?

    They don't pay for them, apparently.
  3. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 12: 35
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    Quote: General Black
    Is there enough money for the F-15?

    Enough.

    Quote: General Black
    Have you started to create drones?

    Repeatedly - yes.

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    It's a good idea, just not for your execution.

    And why not for ours?

    Quote: General Black
    here is such a "high-tech" product.

    https://2020-08/1596960492_286150656_n.jpg

    This "weapon" was produced at the Nikolaev shipyard.

    Link does not open.
    1. Martin Offline
      Martin (Martin) 9 August 2020 13: 13
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      Eagle wheels? Well, maybe that's enough. laughing "Repeat - yes" - Create. Do not "fly away" on them. laughing

      Link does not open.

      Well, that's why the link does not open, you have nothing but pictures and wood models. wink
    2. General Black Online
      General Black (Gennady) 9 August 2020 16: 54
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      https://topcor.ru/uploads/posts/2020-08/1596981173_286150656_n.jpg

      Look at it.
    3. 123 Online
      123 (123) 10 August 2020 00: 40
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      Link does not open.

      What weapon is such a link. yes
  4. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 12: 37
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    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    The troops are now a matter of an integrated set of components, and having one or two components, there is no need to talk about combat-ready troops. The talks about the war with the Russian Federation in Ukraine are conducted only out of fear, nothing more, they will attack loudly only from the stands ...

    The list of units of the Russian Federation units participating in the war against Ukraine, if desired, can be found in the internet.
    1. Martin Offline
      Martin (Martin) 9 August 2020 13: 08
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      Do they know these units that they are fighting in Ukraine? Or did Turchinov tell you this?
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 18: 39
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        Well, they brag on social networks, show medals ...
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
          Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 9 August 2020 20: 17
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          Quote: Alexey Semenenko
          Well, they brag on social networks, show medals ...

          And all - the daughters of the Sevastopol officers.
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 23
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            Well, if they are fakes, then they are very successfully molded. Yes, and dofiga them .... Well, seriously, I saw it myself. I've been there, okay? tongue
            1. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
              Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 10 August 2020 12: 06
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              Quote: Alexey Semenenko
              Well, seriously, I saw it myself

              Straight in full dress, with guards badges? belay
              I also saw pictures of "Russian snipers". DNR-ovsky uniform, "Colorado" in the buttonhole ... You can't refute! Only here is a checkpoint zhovtno-blakitny, and a piece of the Ukrainian flag over the "sniper". On a flagpole, not under your feet ... tongue
        2. 123 Online
          123 (123) 10 August 2020 00: 45
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          Well, they brag on social networks, show medals ...

          Aha yes even plastic wassat

          1. General Black Online
            General Black (Gennady) 10 August 2020 10: 40
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            And they can't have plastic medals. Because they are all their own polymers ... you get the idea. Only from poetic substance and sticks.
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 10 August 2020 11: 30
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              And they can't have plastic medals. Because they are all their own polymers ... you get the idea. Only from poetic substance and sticks.

              These, apparently, from imported, foreign aid ... Although the reverse side of the medal is not shown ...
          2. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 10: 51
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            Moved out again? wink
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    3. 123 Online
      123 (123) 10 August 2020 00: 43
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      The list of units of the Russian Federation units participating in the war against Ukraine, if desired, can be found in the internet.

      Is there a list of those convicted of the coup there?
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 10: 52
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        The coup took place only a month ago. Did not make it....
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          123 (123) 10 August 2020 11: 28
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          The coup took place only a month ago. Did not make it....

          6 years in suspended animation? belay After being wounded? How is Semenchenko? laughing
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 40
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            Is this a constitutional coup d'etat you have there, nonet? That's right, this is recognized by the world community ... and it knows a lot about that ...
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 10 August 2020 11: 41
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              Is this a constitutional coup d'etat you have there, nonet? That's right, this is recognized by the world community ...

              Typical behavior of Svidomo, to answer all questions - it's all of you, it's all with you, but the entire world community is with us. laughing What disgusting. negative
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  5. beeper Online
    beeper 9 August 2020 13: 00
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    "Hero" Trupchinov with Yaytsenyukh and other "Ukrainian" "w / Bandera" even on the day of the shooting by hired "unknown snipers of the" sacred "hundreds" of ordinary Maidan extremists and onlookers sympathizing with them, generally "disappeared from the horizon (and Parasha did not helped to drag the wounded Maydauns to the shelter ", like all the Fuhrer of the Euromaidan," miraculously "was not in the place of the bloody action, although later he" told ")" - they were afraid to fall under the "stray bullet"!
    And therefore, to their "heroic" statements "to go in the forefront" in order to "win back territory (they don't need the local population!) Crimea ", should be treated with 100% of skepticism -" for some reason "and in the Donbass they were not" in the first ranks ", but only in the rear, surrounded by numerous bodyguards, were" rummaging "! yes
    And the intention of purchasing and adopting light turboprop attack aircraft indicates that another round of escalation is planned in the destruction of the rebellious population of Donbass and, on occasion, other Ukrainian regions! It is clear that such attack aircraft will become disposable targets against any regular army saturated with air defense systems!
    1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 18: 42
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      Vinnytsia and Zhytomyr people, will they also bomb?
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        beeper 9 August 2020 22: 48
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        Quote: Alexey Semenenko
        Vinnytsia and Zhytomyr people, will they also bomb?

        Not yet, probably ?! This is a massive "lohtorat" of the most "widespread Ukrainians" - the parashenk Groisman ?! They actively supported "Euromaidan" and ATO in Donbass - "heroes", the support of the "regime" ?!
        But the contragang "Amber people's republic", in Volyn, may well, as it were, "for malicious non-payment of taxes to Kiev" and "armed resistance to the police" ??! winked
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  6. Oleg Shlyapin Offline
    Oleg Shlyapin (oleg shlyapin) 9 August 2020 13: 12
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    Quote: Martin
    Do they know these units that they are fighting in Ukraine? Or did Turchinov tell you this?

    Yes. They season the people with soup poisoning. And so, several people a day.
    1. Valentine Offline
      Valentine (Valentin) 9 August 2020 13: 38
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      Oleg, this is your question, and he is just about all these topics that affect the war in Ukraine - Who was the first to unleash this massacre in Ukraine, you or Russia?
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 18: 45
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        It depends from what moment you count.
        If from a cross-border shelling in Zelenopolye or the introduction of four BTGs and the subsequent execution near Ilovaisk, then Russia ...
        1. Valentine Offline
          Valentine (Valentin) 9 August 2020 19: 45
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          And you, Aleksey, remember how your Galician "brothers" on February 20, 2014 near Korsun Shevchenkovsk, stopped eight buses with Crimeans, in which more than 300 people were traveling home, showered them with Molotov cocktails, dragged the crazed and frightened people out of there, crumbled their heads and ribs with bats, chains and reinforcement, and those who tried to escape into the snowy steppe were shot from pump guns and machine guns. Then more than 70 Crimeans were killed and maimed, and more than 30 people were missing, and those of them who managed to escape from your thugs made it to Crimea, and the immediately assembled Supreme Council of Crimea publicly decided that Crimea, in this regard massacre, leaves Ukraine, and holds a referendum on joining Russia ... And you, Alexey, notice that before that incident, a peaceful, familiar life flowed in Crimea, no one thought about any separation, but .. ..what happened near Korsun, it became a mechanism of resistance to your government, which carried out an armed coup on the same day, February 20, 2014, but then there was a referendum, as a result of which Crimea joined Russia, and then, on May 2, 2014 year, your thugs burned more than 200 people in Odessa, and not 48, as your government claims, and then there was also Mariupol, where on May 9, 2014, you killed 43 police officers who were guarding a peaceful demonstration in the city dedicated to Victory Day .. ... And one asks I, what could Donbass do, how not to take up arms, and defend their land from the Galician invaders ..... So it was you yourself who made this bloody mess, where, according to the NSA of Germany, in the report of A. Merkel, your losses with May 2014 to July 2018 amounted to more than 70 thousand people in the irrecoverable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not 2,5 thousand, as your Poroshenko wove to you about this ..... So decide now who is responsible for the lice devastation and civil war ...
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 18
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            Firstly, I am a Kharkiv citizen. Secondly, what you paint with such delight belongs to the series "boy in panties".
            It has been chewed for a long time, documented, and through clenched teeth it was recognized by your side that a gallows fake. But you have moved far into a ditch.
            I mean that the Russian armed forces fired on Ukrainian soldiers across the border. Then, with forces of up to four battalions, they invaded the territory of the neighboring state, with full weapons and armored vehicles, but without identification marks, and killed many Ukrainian citizens.
            Will you deny it?
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 10 August 2020 00: 55
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              13 July 2014.



              You already had to be disposed of.
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            2. Valentine Offline
              Valentine (Valentin) 10 August 2020 06: 07
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              There was no need for you, Galicians, to come with weapons in your hands to a foreign land, to Donbass, and kill peaceful people, women, old people and children there, and what I described above is not a fake, but a pure truth, and this was announced Our President Vladimir Putin, when asked at a briefing by foreign journalists about how Crimea's withdrawal from Ukraine began, and he answered bluntly that because of the murder of Crimeans near Korsun ... How did your government blink you all, that you you even make fun of those whom you yourself killed, and where did you come from in Kharkov, because it has always been considered the most Russian city in Ukraine ...
              1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 10: 58
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                Again. I am a Kharkiv citizen. The graves of my ancestors, in the south, in the Izyum district, Golden ...
                This is MY land. You weren't standing there until you were brought in in a heating cabin, half a century ago.
                The GDP, you can believe, is the same as with the pension reform, it never lies. True, the medals "for the liberation of Crimea" were stamped in the fall.
                Whoever my hometown was considered to be Russian, I don't care. This has nothing to do with his story. And his story was not reported to you.
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                  Valentine (Valentin) 10 August 2020 13: 35
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                  How did your government get your brains on ... The referendum in Crimea was held on March 16, 2014, and a medal for the return of Crimea was released on March 21 of the same year - Wikipedia is in your hands, and your land is now Galicia. And we "stood" in the Donbass, and since the time of Empress Catherine, but in 1918, Lenin, by his decree, transferred the industrial Donbass to agrarian Ukraine to balance the industry .... after all, the time will come for awareness and repentance for what you have done.
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            3. Valentine Offline
              Valentine (Valentin) 10 August 2020 09: 06
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              And how do you react to the video that 123 has posted to you, or is it again a fake?
              1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 10: 58
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                Didn't even look. "Russian Donetsk", we do not read further.
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                  Valentine (Valentin) 10 August 2020 11: 53
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                  Here you are, what an expert on geography .... And the "Russian Donetsk" that you fired on on July 13, 2014 is a small town in the Rostov region, which is located on the border with the Luhansk region. You live according to the principle as it is more profitable and convenient for you - the black one turns white.
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          123 (123) 10 August 2020 00: 47
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          It depends from what moment you count. If from a cross-border shelling in Zelenopolye or the introduction of four BTGs and the subsequent execution near Ilovaisk, then Russia ...

          And with the Germans from Stalingrad?
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 10: 59
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            And with the Crimean War?
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              123 (123) 10 August 2020 11: 26
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              And with the Crimean War?

              Do you think that you fought the Crimean War? belay
    2. Martin Offline
      Martin (Martin) 16 August 2020 20: 29
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      Who have them - the APU? Yes, they have it there all the time.
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  8. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) 9 August 2020 13: 39
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    However, the real enemy for Kiev is not so much Moscow as its own people, both living in Donbass and in other regions of the country.

    Something I don’t understand. First, the "people of Donbass" are "an integral part of the Russian ethnos", which must be "returned to their native harbor" after the Crimea. Now they are "Kiev's own people."
    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline
      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 9 August 2020 14: 52
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      Would an integral part of the Russian ethnos begin to run through Ukrainian checkpoints to Ukraine? This is done by the Ukrainian ethnos. And no bombs, mines, shells, SBU prisons will retrain them from this. They are not interested in the development of production facilities in Donbass, jobs, and trade in competitive products with Russia. They need handouts from Ukraine, even if there is spit on their back from the APU.
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        Cyril (Kirill) 9 August 2020 17: 39
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        would an integral part of the Russian ethnic group run through Ukrainian checkpoints to Ukraine? This is done by the Ukrainian ethnos.

        laughing Have you personally checked the passport of each runner?)

        they are not interested in the development of Donbass production facilities, jobs, trade in competitive products with Russia. They need handouts from Ukraine, even if there is spit on their backs from the APU.

        Maybe they just need to survive, and not think about high matters?)
        1. Sergey Tokarev Offline
          Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 August 2020 07: 26
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          Nationality is not written in the passport. Just survive? Well, this is already a mentality. And then they have a war, a fight for freedom and the Russian language ... just to survive the Sumer and the mother will sell. Leningraders did not run to the Germans for bread. Do you feel the difference between Russians and Ukrainians?
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 00
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            It turns out that there are completely non-Russians? And who was "asvabazhdali" there?
            1. Sergey Tokarev Offline
              Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 10 August 2020 11: 57
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              Blind from what is, breaking through the knee and knocking out hochlism from the head. Poles and Hungarians do the same.
          2. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) 11 August 2020 06: 28
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            Nationality is not written in the passport.

            But the surname is written there

            Leningraders did not run to the Germans for bread.

            Because they did not offer them. However, read something about the Lokot Republic.

            So there is no difference :)
            1. Sergey Tokarev Offline
              Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 11 August 2020 06: 38
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              Do Ukrainians offer sausage and pensions? They change their registration and run. The Ukrainian does not know what betrayal is. The main thing for him is to survive. Fighting to the last is not about them. And your republic is only a few people who actively helped the Germans to commit terror. Read how Odessa residents kept shops, theaters, restaurants under the Germans (Romanians) ... no worse than Paris. And they wrote denunciations against each other. In Russia, such people were killed, and not justified, like the Ukrainians for Volyn ... well, we fought with the Poles ... killing women and children.
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                Cyril (Kirill) 11 August 2020 07: 04
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                do Ukrainians offer sausage and pensions?

                Work :)

                fighting to the last is not about them.

                Fight for what? :) For the "Russian world"?)

                and your republic is only a few people who actively helped the Germans to commit terror

                laughing 581 thousand people - is it "a few"?)

                and wrote denunciations against each other.

                Oh, not the Russians to blame others for this :)
                1. Sergey Tokarev Offline
                  Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 11 August 2020 07: 12
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                  581 thousand?)) Did you write it yourself? At the beginning of 1943, the armed formations on the territory of the Lokotsky District consisted of 15 battalions of 12-15 thousand, and by mid-1943 - 20 thousand, including a tank battalion, an artillery division, 5 infantry regiments, a sapper battalion and a guard battalion. Kaminsky mobilized men 18-20 years old, for which they often resorted to threats of reprisals and to taking hostages of families of draft evaders. The wave of terror poured out, according to archival data, in a large number of victims. More than 10 thousand people were shot, hanged and tortured, including 203 people were burned alive. 24 villages and 7300 collective farm yards were completely burned down, 767 public and cultural institutions were destroyed. From the Brasovsky district of the Bryansk region alone, 7 thousand people were hijacked to work in Germany. And NOBODY in Russia excuses them, saying that they wanted to survive. They searched for and destroyed.
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                    Cyril (Kirill) 12 August 2020 13: 56
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                    581 thousand is the population of Lokot self-government, I never said that this is the number of armed formations. Of these 581 thousand people, a minority openly opposed the German government - the rest either resigned themselves to it or actively supported it. This is "trying to survive". And what else to do when the Soviet power, which was called upon to protect and watch the well-being of its citizens, abandoned everything and evacuated during the German offensive?)

                    So tie it up with your rassosolivaniya on the topic "Ukrainians are traitors, but Russians are heroes." Among all peoples, there are plenty of those, and others, and those who simply wanted to survive in conditions beyond their control.
                    1. Sergey Tokarev Offline
                      Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 12 August 2020 19: 36
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                      And all the Germans supported? Don't judge Russians by Ukrainians.
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                        Cyril (Kirill) 13 August 2020 00: 45
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                        And all the Germans supported?

                        Actively supported - the minority, did not resist (passively supported) - the majority, actively resisted - the minority.

                        Don't judge Russians by Ukrainians.

                        People are the same everywhere. Among the Ukrainians were full of Heroes of the Second World War, as well as among the Russians. And just as among the Ukrainians there were a lot of traitors, as well as among the Russians.
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              Sergey Tokarev (Sergey Tokarev) 11 August 2020 06: 52
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              The KGB would have taken Tonka long ago (they began to look for Tonka the machine gunner immediately after the release of Lokot. However, it turned out that the girl, who was distinguished by unprecedented cruelty, was also an extremely licentious person. On the eve of the arrival of the Red Army, she had to be sent to the rear to treat syphilis, from where she and As a corporal she moved to Ukraine, then to Poland, then to Konigsberg, where she ended up in a concentration camp. After the liberation of the camp, she pretended to be a Soviet nurse), if not for the confusion with her maiden name. Born Parfenova, in pre-war documents she became Makarova for unknown reasons. Only in 1976, one of her brothers, filling out a questionnaire, wrote that all his brothers and sisters bore the surname Parfyonov, and one - in marriage Antonina Ginzburg - the surname Makarov. According to the official biography, Antonina was by that time a respected veteran, she told schoolchildren about the war, her photo was placed in the museum, so the investigators “guided” her for two years, bringing witnesses from Lokot to Lepel, who secretly watched her.
              Only after there was no doubt left, Makarova-Parfenova-Ginzburg was arrested right at work at a garment factory, where, by the way, she also proved herself from the best side, every now and then getting on the honor roll. Neither family nor colleagues knew about her dark past. The veteran spouse was outraged by the arrest, wrote to all authorities, including Brezhnev. As a result, I had to tell him the truth, after which, they say, he turned gray overnight, took the children and left in an unknown direction.
              The executioner of the Lokotsky district, Antonina Makarova (better known as "Tonka the machine gunner"), executed about 1500 people, including partisans, their families, women and teenagers (shot on August 11, 1979 by a Soviet court verdict), carried out the death sentences.
              Lokot does not want to remember the dark time.
              Russians are not Ukrainians.
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                Cyril (Kirill) 11 August 2020 07: 05
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                And why is this sheet about Tonka the machine gunner?)
    2. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 18: 48
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      We play here, we don't play here, we wrap the fish here.
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        boriz (boriz) 9 August 2020 20: 21
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        We are learning from you. You are considering those who travel through your checkpoints for the sake of pensions and work. And the spit of an AP, who is no longer capable of anything ..
        And about the millions, not from Donbass, who stubbornly apply for the citizenship of the Russian Federation, you, for some reason, do not like to remember. In large cities you still have a glimpse of life, but in the districts even half of the population is gone. Because there is no work. The factories were closed.
        And now they, who have long since waved their hand at the place of birth, you carefully enter into the statistics of the population. Number 42 million proudly. But in fact, it's good if 25 million. This figure was determined by the consumption of bread. I already heard it from Rabinovich in an interview a couple of years ago.
        So, now you yourself will not master the AN-2, but there is nothing to buy in the West. For the sake of a billion from the IMF, you sold the last thing you have left, land.
        1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 25
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          Yes, yes, of course.
          You know better from Magadan, for Ukraine ... laughing
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            boriz (boriz) 10 August 2020 00: 04
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            In Kaluga, I communicate with real people from Ukraine. And I believe them. I can talk to them. You are not. They will not return to you, they do not want to go to the ATO. This is about the population. And the rest is quite obvious, it is generally known from numerous sources.
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            123 (123) 10 August 2020 01: 03
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            Yes, yes, of course.
            You know better from Magadan, for Ukraine ...

            When you move, you will see better. yes
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                        Valentine (Valentin) 10 August 2020 13: 47
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                        Do not argue with him, he is not worth it, they are all "nezalezhnye" so - there are no arguments, they go to rudeness ... , a thief and a swindler, and they have no others in power.
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                        123 (123) 10 August 2020 13: 49
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                        You are absolutely right. Thanks for the advice. Something I really got into the wrong place ... hi
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    123 (123) 10 August 2020 01: 01
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    Something I don’t understand. First, the "people of Donbass" are "an integral part of the Russian ethnos", which must be "returned to their native harbor" after the Crimea. Now they are "Kiev's own people."

    Apparently, this is too complicated a conclusion for a collaborator.
    Where is it written about "Kiev's own people"? As usual, they came up with it themselves, exposed it themselves. Moreover, they got confused. My condolences, for sure the share of hivi is hard. hi
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      Cyril (Kirill) 10 August 2020 02: 44
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      Once again, poke a pug into the harsh reality?))

      I like to do it:

      However, the real enemy for Kiev is not so much Moscow, how many are his own people, as living in the Donbassand in other regions of the country. What gives reason to believe so?
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        123 (123) 10 August 2020 11: 22
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        Once again, poke a pug into the harsh reality?))
        I like to do it:

        Are you a masochist or what? sad
        I repeat specifically - Where is it written about "Kiev's own people"?smile

        However, the real enemy for Kiev is not so much Moscow as its own people, both living in the Donbass and in other regions of the country. What gives reason to believe so?

        How such a conclusion can be drawn from this phrase is a mystery. request
    2. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 05
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      Yes, you have it.
      Like, Kiev red-haired bombing his people? Decide whether yours or already yours?
  • Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 18: 37
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    According to the tone of the article, it seemed that Kharaluzhny was writing, a characteristic turn of speech .... but no.
    The author's understanding of the situation is not. He still lives by bomber-sized fighters and carpet bombing by FABs ...
    And, like a cherry, the conclusion: Kiev will be bombed by its own people!
    After all, apart from the Tukans, the Kiev regime will have no aviation ...
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      boriz (boriz) 9 August 2020 20: 25
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      The meaning of the comment?
      1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 9 August 2020 23: 26
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        Noted the low qualifications of the author in this topic. Article on Unhook.
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          boriz (boriz) 10 August 2020 00: 14
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          What? Fighters - yes, big, not WWII, thank God. FABs are not necessarily carpet bombing, ours have adapted to lay them down in a patch. There is special equipment, SVP-24 Gefest. The regular Su 24 puts the usual FABs as corrected. We can afford it.
          And Tukanami - of course, only against low-resource partisans. It won't work in Donbass, they will quickly throw it off the sky. I don't even know where the APU is going to use them.
          1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 07
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            Young man, are you writing this nonsense to a person who served in Long-Range Aviation and is related to this technique at the present time? Tell the Turks that they are suckers, and it was necessary to use strategic bombers to push them into Syria.
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              boriz (boriz) 10 August 2020 11: 19
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              In fact, the young man is 64 years old.
              If you have nothing to say in fact, leave your emotional splashes for your loved ones. They may have got used to it. And then a lot here, recently, divorced reigning snobs. At both sides.
              And write more clearly so that you can understand.
              1. Alexey Semenenko (Alexey Semenenko) 10 August 2020 11: 28
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                My dear, do not shyly avoid the topic, tell us where did you get the aviation wisdom, that you are so confident in broadcasting on the topics of tactics and strategies for using aircraft in modern warfare?
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              Valentine (Valentin) 11 August 2020 07: 36
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              And serving in Ukraine in Long-Range Aviation is like watering farmland with pesticides with An-2? You, on the orders of the Yankees, sawed all of your "strategists" 30 years ago, and everything is there.
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    Netyn (Netyn) 10 August 2020 10: 10
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    I don't even know where the APU is going to use them.

    They will transfer the nat. to the body - to drive red balls across the steppes.
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    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 10 August 2020 10: 34
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    If Ukraine considers itself in a state of war with the Russian Federation, let, as it should be, break off diplomatic relations and declare war on the Russian Federation ... Today, Ukraine is in the state of a balabolka who is afraid to fight with the Russian Federation, but grinds his tongue like the last drunk!
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    Michael1950 (Michael) 11 August 2020 00: 02
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    Quote: akarfoxhound
    Of course, enough for an F-15, yeah. laughing The Su-27 was created as a counterweight to the 15th, in 1996 we in Savastlake (PPL PLC air defense) "unscrewed" amers from Elmendorf in full.
    And now the plane, superior to the Amer, you are going to change for the same Amer, and in the most expensive version ?!

    - Enough of this nonsense?
    1. For a long time, BVB, and even more so dogfight on guns, is not the basis of air combat.
    2. The F-15EX differs from the 15-year-old F-40A "like heaven and earth." And any Su-27 in any modernization, any Su-30SM and Su-35S, it will "tear like Tuzik a heating pad."
    3. In fact, the F-15 (of all modifications) for 40 years has become the absolute champion in real air combat (104:0). "Opening your mouth at him" and comparing it with the Su-27, which at the same time has established itself from the word NIKAK and claiming that "the Su-27 is better" is somehow unsportsmanlike ... wink
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    Michael1950 (Michael) 11 August 2020 00: 05
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    - And "Super Tucano" is a wonderful aircraft in its class. Even the Americans have perked up his license to do it. Although it would seem, where is Brazil - and where is the United States? .. laughing
  • Let them change to the Messerschmitts - the machine is good, tested!