Expert: Putin and Lukashenko will no longer be able to play hockey as if nothing had happened


Having made the decision to detain Russian citizens who were declared to be mercenaries of PMC "Wagner", the Belarusian leader made a strategic mistake, crossing a certain line in relations between the two countries. So, what is next? Thinks about it political columnist Sergei Strokan - his opinion is reported by the newspaper Kommersant.


Lukashenka actually took the Russians as political hostages, which no one in the world would dare to do. Therefore, it is very difficult to imagine a turn towards a "bad world" in relations between Minsk and Moscow. In fact, "Father" started an undeclared war with Putin. The friendship between the two leaders also came to naught because of the fatigue of the Russian authorities from the whims of Lukashenka - for this reason, the Kremlin could try to carry out a "color" revolution with the "Western ally".

In Strokan's opinion, Lukashenka in this case wants to achieve two goals at once. First, raise rates in future economic and political bargaining with Moscow - they say, after the elections, it will not go anywhere. Secondly, the head of Belarus is hinting to Western leaders that he is not at all a loyal satellite to Russia and is capable of playing his own games. And if the Russian Federation plans to remove him, he is surrounded by the halo of the victim, so you can do business with him.

The President of Belarus has crossed the line, and it will not be easy to turn back now. Now it is difficult to imagine how, after all this, Putin and Lukashenko will again play hockey as if nothing had happened. No, we don't need this kind of hockey!

- the expert believes.
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  1. beeper Online
    beeper 3 August 2020 18: 59
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    A columnist with a zapadenskoy surname, of course, can do whatever he wants to "talk." request
    But in vain, like the Kiev maydauns, he ascribes to Russia the "implementation of" color revolutions "!

    "Color revolutions" are the exclusive prerogative of the United States and its vassal NATO "Common Europe"!

    PS If the Russian authorities had at least a little bit of thought and REALLY WORK (at least with the beginning of the presidency of Vladimir Putin!) In the direction of forming an adequate friendly environment and allies of their Russian Federation, then malicious Washington would hardly have got its anti-Russian The "loop of anaconda" and the current seizure of Russian citizens by amero by groveling Belarusian "hockey players" would not have happened!
    Uncontrollably, only under crafty "promises", subsidizing allegedly "pro-Russian" politicians is a strategic mistake - "eternal RAKE" of the Russian authorities, on which they tirelessly dance!
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 3 August 2020 20: 16
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      Quote: pishchak
      on which they dance tirelessly

      Well, any whim at the expense of taxpayers. Here recently a blogger expressed one idea about how to create a civil society in the Russian Federation in six months - you just need to adopt a law according to which not the employer, but the employee, will have to deduct taxes. And then the workers will have a MASS of questions. smile That is why, and not because of the "administrative difficulties" such a law will never be adopted, and the dancing will continue ...
      1. beeper Online
        beeper 3 August 2020 20: 31
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        hi A very interesting idea about creating an active civil society of conscientious taxpayers! good
        After all, continuous feedback between the authorities and the people has long been necessary, because will reduce the blatant irresponsibility of those in power! yes
        IMHO
        1. King3214 Offline
          King3214 (Sergius) 3 August 2020 23: 21
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          So what's the deal?
          It is necessary to introduce an additional and voluntary tax for "members of civil society". Let them expel him and demand a report on him.
          1. Digital error Offline
            Digital error (Eugene) 4 August 2020 07: 46
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            Quote: King3214
            tax for "members of civil society"

            If you mean 22% of those who voted against the amendments to the Constitution, then soon it will be at least technically possible - an experiment on electronic voting was carried out not for the sake of an experiment, but with an eye to further implementation. Voters are authorized on the portal of public services, so if there is a desire to identify "members of civil society" it will not be difficult.
            1. King3214 Offline
              King3214 (Sergius) 4 August 2020 08: 09
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              Did you want a "secret order"?
              There are no secrets in the modern world. Any privacy is an illusion. If you want to do something, do it openly and publicly.
              1. Digital error Offline
                Digital error (Eugene) 4 August 2020 08: 25
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                Quote: King3214
                do it openly and publicly

                History shows that dictatorships do not tolerate dissent, whether African or "last European." That is why (to preserve statehood by preventing "internal repressions"), different states are introducing norms similar to our article 7 67-FZ "On the basic guarantees of electoral rights and the right to participate in a referendum of citizens of the Russian Federation."
                1. King3214 Offline
                  King3214 (Sergius) 4 August 2020 19: 13
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                  I'll tell you more - in all the laws of all countries something like the right of citizens to privacy of correspondence, negotiations, etc. is written down.
                  That did not prevent the United States from operating the Echelon system since the middle of the last century, which intercepted all telephone conversations on the planet.
                  You have illusions about anonymity wherever you are.
                  1. Digital error Offline
                    Digital error (Eugene) 4 August 2020 20: 34
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                    Quote: King3214
                    You harbor illusions about anonymity wherever you are

                    Evidence "by contradiction" in one question: why did the Russian Federation want to block the "Telegram"?
                    So there is anonymity (and easily secured by encryption), albeit for third parties, not developers. It's just that someone really wants you to think that you have no choice (at least about the elections, at least about the laws adopted by the "elect"). Here is an opinion on the submission of the "concept of sustainable development" to the UN by the analytical center of the government of the Russian Federation - check it out if you have the desire and time, very informative, and sometimes even creepy:

                    http://katyusha.org/view?id=14669

                    On the same site there are often articles about digitalization and about "digitalizers".
                    While people on TV are being distracted by the "Americans with their echelon systems" - a lot of things can be done on the sly. hi
                    1. King3214 Offline
                      King3214 (Sergius) 4 August 2020 20: 54
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                      I don't have to think. I know.
      2. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 3 August 2020 22: 22
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        Well, any whim at the expense of taxpayers. Here recently a blogger expressed one idea about how to create a civil society in the Russian Federation in six months - you just need to adopt a law according to which not the employer, but the employee, will have to deduct taxes.

        The idea is just great. It turns out that everything is simple. good Now it will not be Gazprom that will pay the tax, but Miller from his salary, Sechin instead of Rosneft. Here we will live! fellow Don't you think that in this civil society you and a blogger will end up smoking bamboo?
        If you mean 13% of personal income tax, they say, people will see how much they deduct and start asking officials where taxes are going, then I must disappoint you. In addition to personal income tax, there are still many taxes that citizens do not pay, moreover, the share of personal income tax is not so huge. I don't remember the exact data, but I won't be mistaken if I say that this is no more than 17% of all tax collections.

        Types of taxes and fees.

        https://www.nalog.ru/rn77/taxation/taxes/

        That is why, and not because of the "administrative difficulties" such a law will never be adopted, and the dancing will continue ...

        Are you still sure about this?
        1. Digital error Offline
          Digital error (Eugene) 4 August 2020 08: 14
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          Quote: 123
          It turns out that everything is simple

          Not everything - it will be really more difficult to administer, but this is a problem for administrators, not taxpayers. Moreover, if I am not mistaken, the powers of the FSSP were expanded last year.

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          Here we live

          Not immediately, but as the officials are "educated" by conscientious citizens. It is now they are recorded in the "1,5% of the mad", and the phenomenon will be ubiquitous.

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          will you smoke bamboo?

          For me and this blogger, nothing will change - we already understand how the budget is formed. request

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          people will see how much they deduct and start asking officials where the taxes go

          This is what I mean - the disciplining effect. Mutually beneficial for both taxpayers and the state, mind you, with proper administration.

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          should disappoint you

          You haven't succeeded yet. lol

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          the share of personal income tax is not so huge

          Perhaps, but we are now talking about taxpayers. 13% x 12 months - one and a half salary per year. This in itself is significant, but there are also other taxes, including indirect ones (VAT, for example). Thanks for the link - very clearly. hi

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          Are you still sure about this?

          I am confident that the "dancing" will continue regardless of who is "at the helm" - simply because you cannot please everyone. Someone thinks that subsidizing Belarus is inappropriate ("dancing"), while others do not. Both those and others have the right to consider as they please and they have a ghostly chance to change the paradigm every 5 (6) years by their will.
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 4 August 2020 09: 26
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            Not everything - it will be really more difficult to administer, but this is a problem for administrators, not taxpayers. Moreover, if I am not mistaken, the powers of the FSSP were expanded last year.

            I'm afraid this is your problem too. More difficult to administer means more expenses, more staff, new software, it will be more difficult to collect taxes, therefore, less money will come in, and so on. Actually, it's a rather strange position, you are going to take an active part in the process of distributing finances and immediately state that this is not your problem.

            Not immediately, but as the officials are "educated" by conscientious citizens. It is now they are recorded in the "1,5% of the mad", and the phenomenon will be ubiquitous.

            Who is stopping you from doing this now? Or do you want some abstract active citizens to appear, who will be "choked by a toad" for the taxes paid and they will educate officials as they should?
            Not your problem again?

            This is what I mean - the disciplining effect. Mutually beneficial for both taxpayers and the state, mind you, with proper administration.

            Mutually beneficial? See the paragraph above, costs will rise, taxpayers will begin to deal with distribution closely, and this will take time, which means it will be distracted from other matters. What is the benefit? Moreover, not all active citizens understand finance, what they will start to advise and demand there - can you imagine?

            Perhaps, but we are now talking about taxpayers. 13% x 12 months - one and a half salary per year. This in itself is significant, but there are also other taxes, including indirect ones (VAT, for example).

            So I'm talking about them, do you think VAT changes the picture a lot? Do you know what it looks like? You come up to a barrel of money, throw in your 5 kopecks and start screaming with foam at the mouth - I pay taxes, I know how, where and how much to spend. Don't you think it is reasonable to take into account the interests of other taxpayers who have contributed much more to the "common pot"? And so you turn into the same officials, now you want to distribute other people's money. On a voluntary basis for now, but for now, at the next stage you will want to receive money for this, because you are wasting time on this. Who will be in this "asset"? The one who is bolder (more active) is at the "trough". In fact, you want to introduce the institution of commissars or return party control of the Soviet era. People who do not understand anything about this will begin to distribute finances.

            I am confident that the "dancing" will continue regardless of who is "at the helm" - simply because you cannot please everyone. Someone thinks that subsidizing Belarus is inappropriate ("dancing"), while others do not.

            That's right, you can't please everyone, can you imagine what it will turn into? I hope it won't come to gunfights.

            Both those and others have the right to consider as they please and they have a ghostly chance to change the paradigm every 5 (6) years by their will.

            Come on, you're just looking for a way to push people to the barricades. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
            1. Digital error Offline
              Digital error (Eugene) 4 August 2020 21: 11
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              Eh, half an hour wasted - I pressed the wrong direction. Well, okay, we will probably discuss it more than once. lol
              Generally speaking, I do not agree with rare exceptions. laughing

              Quote: 123
              Actually a rather strange position

              There is no contradiction here - Caesar is Caesar's. Trusted financiers should administer and distribute taxes, not those who negotiated with the IMF to raise the retirement age and VAT. Citizens should remain in control of targeted spending.

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              you are just looking for a way to push people to the barricades

              I am looking for a way to increase the protest turnout in the elections - I see no other ways to change the situation for the better - a year has passed since Dmitry Anatolyevich's statement, we need help in his desire to take United Russia out of the comfort zone:

              I believe that the main problem here is how the party communicates with people. We talk little and boringly about what we have done. We explain poorly what and why we are going to do it. And we too rarely give people the opportunity to declare their position on party platforms. So that they are convinced that their opinion is heard by United Russia, and their interests are really protected. That is why we are closely working on updating United Russia. First of all, in areas that previously received little attention. This is support for civil initiatives, digitalization of the party, recruitment.

              https://er.ru/news/182925/

              Navalny, with his call to boycott the voting of the Constitution, actually worked in anyone's favor, but not our country. request So the question of who he works for remains open.

              Quote: 123
              With good intentions, the road to hell is paved

              Do you think this is a reason to do nothing? This has long been successfully engaged in - not we ...
              1. 123 Offline
                123 (123) 4 August 2020 23: 30
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                There is no contradiction here - Caesar is Caesar's. Trusted financiers should administer and distribute taxes, not those who negotiated with the IMF to raise the retirement age and VAT. Citizens should remain in control of targeted spending.

                How are you going to control? To organize access to financial documents for everyone and a nationwide vote for each payment? Also choose the government? Let the prime minister work with those who were given?

                I am looking for a way to increase the protest turnout in the elections - I see no other ways to change the situation for the better - a year has passed since Dmitry Anatolyevich's statement, we need help in his desire to take United Russia out of the comfort zone:

                The turnout is already normal, but you need a protest turnout. I noticed one feature that you don't offer - in the end, some nasty things turn out. Do you like to be dirty?

                Navalny, with his call to boycott the voting of the Constitution, actually worked in anyone's favor, but not our country. So the question of who he works for remains open.

                I don't even want to discuss it.

                Do you think this is a reason to do nothing? This has long been successfully engaged in - not we ...

                Why not us? This is exactly what we are doing. yes
                1. Digital error Offline
                  Digital error (Eugene) 4 August 2020 23: 52
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                  How are you going to control?

                  Just as the ONF now controls public procurement. Only broadly in relation to the execution of the budget (at least in terms of national projects and "social networks") and instead of the ONF, let "conscientious citizens" get involved and they should be heard. For each payment, it is utopia and there is no need - a small sample is checked in all large arrays (even products, even the results of something), on the basis of which a conclusion is made about the quality of the entire "batch".

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                  I don't even want to discuss it

                  Why then? Thanks to him, the opponents of a "glorious new life" are 22%, not 32%. Whatever one may say, but an order of magnitude more than 1,5% of the crazy. lol

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                  Do you like to be dirty?

                  I love it when there are checks and balances. So that United Russia would have to negotiate the content of the laws with representatives of other voters, and not just "stamp" them. This can be achieved only in one case - by depriving the EP of the majority in the State Duma.

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                  This is exactly what we are doing.

                  Doing nothing? Let me give you one example. At the end of last year, when I went to Avito, I saw a banner advertising a cool computer configuration for 1/3 of its real cost. A number of signs (TIN in the form of a picture, date of registration of the site, etc., the presence of several sites with the same typo) indicated that scammers were working. With the help of the Who is service, I found out that the ip-addresses of the sites belong to a company registered in Moscow. I wrote a letter to this company (received thanks for vigilance) and a statement through the electronic reception service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Moscow. Three (two?) Weeks later I received an answer from the Ministry of Internal Affairs - the policeman who was handling my appeal, instead of checking the factual information indicated in the application, asked me to identify myself - who I am, what I am, where I live, a phone number (apparently, an electronic application form it was not provided request ) write a statement by hand in the form sent by him, sign it, scan it and send it to him. How important speed is when investigating "cybercrimes", I think, there is no need to explain. During this time, most sites simply "moved" to other addresses and changed their names - there was nothing left to investigate. Do you think I played a dirty trick on this policeman - made his life difficult? lol How did you "do nothing" - can you tell?smile
    2. King3214 Offline
      King3214 (Sergius) 3 August 2020 23: 18
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      100.000.000.000 dollars was not enough for Belarus and Russia needed to "work" more lively and quicker?
    3. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 4 August 2020 23: 10
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      Pischak, what do you want from our government, if a significant part of it is ready to surrender everything they have won, and even pay extra from above, so that they are allowed into the "administrative elite of the planet" on equal terms (although they will NEVER become equal for these non-humans)? We still cannot cleanse ourselves of this liberda, and you are talking about international (albeit at our borders) politics ... It seems that they live on the moon - separately from the rest of the population (I do not include the Khabarovsk events here - this is the buildup of the situation in the country). We still have this and that in the Southern Urals, but where Chita is ... Tomsk ... - it's terrible there ... no work, no leisure ... as you want - just live ...
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    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 August 2020 22: 32
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    Putin and Lukashenko shouldn't have played hockey for a long time. Nobody remembers what Lukashenka said from 2014?

    Those who fight against Ukrainians must be destroyed

    The Internet remembers everything. But for some reason people forget. When Belarus, following the example of Ukraine, sets off in the direction of the EU, then maybe we will find out how much money Russia has poured into its "ally."
    The axiom that an ally should be paid has always been relevant. Lukashenka knows only the word "pay" from this phrase. And Russia should have remembered for a long time that the ALLY had to pay.
    Nothing happened. It's just that in the last year or two, Russia has concluded that Belarus is not an ally. It's time to close the trough.
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 4 August 2020 09: 15
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    1) The expert accuses Putin: "there can be a" color "revolution."
    2) Like they quarreled, and they won't play hockey.

    And if not, and they play something (as, for example, Putin offered the ISIS accomplice La Erdogan to buy the Su-57, not to mention the S-400), then the expert will bear responsibility ???