Old F-22s suggested using Russian Su-57s as imitators


In the US, they suggested using the old F-22 Raptor as imitators of Russian Su-57 fighters, writes the American publication The National Interest.


According to Lieutenant General US Air Force James Holmes, only fifth-generation fighters F-22 have similar tacticaltechnical data with Russian Su-57 and Chinese J-20 of a similar generation. Therefore, old, not modernized F-22 series should be used in the "red squadrons", where American pilots portray Russian and Chinese colleagues. Only in this way will it be possible to teach the Americans to resist the Russians and the Chinese in air combat.

Holmes believes that since the modernization of the early F-22 series will not be carried out, it is advisable to direct the released funds to the development of sixth generation fighters. He specified that certain work in this direction is already underway and the development of a new program will allow for a significant modernization of the remaining F-22, later series.

The general added that the F-22s depicting the Su-57 and J-20 will be equipped with standard weapons and ammunition. At the same time they will be deprived of a special stealth coating. However, according to Holmes, the fighter’s maneuverability will not be affected by this, since before that they could repeat all the aerobatics shown on the Su-57. So the F-22 will simply be repainted in the right colors.

Now the F-22 has been upgraded to version 3.2B and is equipped with AIM-9X Block 1 air-to-air missiles. But there are already new AIM-9X Block 2 and AIM-120D missiles.
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  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 2 July 2020 21: 55
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    How old, no one in the world has anything like this 30-year-old airplane so far.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 2 July 2020 22: 29
      -1
      Quote: Arkharov
      no one in the world has anything like this 30-year-old airplane so far.

      And not expected ...
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 2 July 2020 22: 12
    +3
    Old F-22? Are there any new ones? Their 10 years as they were removed from production.

    Therefore, old, not modernized F-22 series should be used in the "red squadrons", where American pilots portray Russian and Chinese colleagues.

    Here it is. It turns out that they also have first-class fighters decently different, "childhood diseases" are present. They do not even want to upgrade them. And they demand from us that they certainly set up the Su-57 series, and until that moment they did not even dare to think about any modernization. winked
    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 4 July 2020 14: 52
      +1
      And they demand from us that ...

      Certain circles really want to see a promising aircraft in the army. People worry about defenses. This is normal. It is clear that the prospects will need to be developed, improved and implemented, but this is another process. Indeed, if there are no production lines, then “if that” from today to tomorrow, whip up a couple of hundred combat aircraft can not be conjured. So far, there has been a cycle of dough in a single military aviation industry, to drive a couple of prototypes from a quarter of a century into training grounds and parades, then write off and you can lay down the following "unparalleled" prototypes.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 4 July 2020 15: 06
        +2
        “Laying new prototypes” is a good thing, without it in any way. The lack of mass entry of new models into the troops, of course, is not good, but I do not see tragedy in this. Available is not so bad and backward that at night because of this one does not sleep. Apparently, the priorities are somewhat different, missiles, missile defense and so on. As for specifically the Su-57, as I understand it, the first batch is being built without any changes. As the process dragged on, they scored improvements for the next modification.
        Calls, they say, first set up and then improve - are not entirely clear. Designers stop work and wait?
        I understand when they grumble that there are no planes in the troops, but as for the designers, they say, dare not do anything yet, I do not approve. hi
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) 4 July 2020 22: 07
          +1
          “Laying new prototypes” is a good thing, without it in any way.

          Of course, but before laying, you need a clear plan and, very importantly, real terms. Road spoon to dinner, otherwise money wasted.

          ... say, first set up and then improve.

          Logically, if there is no finished mass product, then it seems that the client is led by the nose and money is pulled from his pocket.

          Designers stop work and wait?

          In no case, but it takes a lot of money to develop a product, and apart from the prototype, nothing is shown to the client (people). Why is it impossible, in principle, to create such a flying "base" in which the reserve for optimization will initially be calculated and begin to rivet it in a series. Designers and engineers, a huge field for work. Modernization can be fastened to routine maintenance or to scheduled repairs. But the client is holding a real new production aircraft. We need a solid, long-term concept, and not a couple of demonstration gliders "planed on the knee". The point is probably not in the designers, but in the managers and kickbacks.

          ... do not dare to do anything yet, do not approve.

          I also do not approve, but the saying about Hodge Nasruddin, donkey and Emir is not so fantastic.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 4 July 2020 22: 36
            +2
            In principle, there is no objection, that's just ....

            Modernization can be fastened to routine maintenance or to scheduled repairs.

            How's that? what You mean replacing equipment? Not sure if everything is that simple. Surely design changes will be made.
            As I understand it, modernization does not affect the production of new aircraft. Build airplanes, in parallel working on a modernized version.
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) 5 July 2020 11: 30
              +1
              Surely a change in design.

              There are certain "data" dimensions, and that’s a ready-made call to designers to "cram the unshapable" - work. What is the point of developing a plane for a quarter of a century, so that after ten or five years of operation declare that it is already outdated and you need a new prototype.

              Build airplanes, in parallel working on a modernized version.

              Well, that holds, go ahead and with the song. Serial production of the aircraft will reduce their unit cost, respectively, there will be available funds for modernization, rationalization. Technologists also need time to develop, standardize and optimize processes for the serial production of components and assemblies. Smooth, as a rule, happens only on paper.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 July 2020 23: 40
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    And, the Russian edition of The National Interest again zagigachil some kind of game. Tear off stealth from normal fighters to simulate unaccepted SU?
    And what for? Some other Fs have long been painted and adjusted to imitate Su, they wrote.
  4. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 3 July 2020 10: 17
    +1
    There is a more interesting proposal: take them to the museum of the Patriot Park.
    1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 4 July 2020 09: 40
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry S.
      There is a more interesting proposal: take them to the museum of the Patriot Park.

      To get them there. They must first be obtained in battle.
  5. Boragl Offline Boragl
    Boragl (Boragl) 4 July 2020 08: 44
    +1
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Arkharov
    no one in the world has anything like this 30-year-old airplane so far.

    And not expected ...

    I’m embarrassed to ask ... are you so diligently licking for what reason?
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 4 July 2020 12: 47
      -2
      Do you always think about rimming on Saturday morning?
  6. Boragl Offline Boragl
    Boragl (Boragl) 7 July 2020 13: 24
    +2
    Quote: Cyril
    Do you always think about rimming on Saturday morning?

    You know better .. in my "wild" RUSSIA to lick s .... y is to lick s .... y ... this is what you have in "sluggish europies" for perversions they come up with new clever words ... although, with this the number of sexes, maybe this is normal ... for you. Maybe you breed like that ... I dare not judge. But marriage is a union between a woman and a man. Everything else is disease and anomaly.