Old F-22s suggested using Russian Su-57s as imitators


In the US, they suggested using the old F-22 Raptor as imitators of Russian Su-57 fighters, writes the American publication The National Interest.


According to Lieutenant General US Air Force James Holmes, only fifth-generation fighters F-22 have similar tacticaltechnical data with Russian Su-57 and Chinese J-20 of a similar generation. Therefore, old, not modernized F-22 series should be used in the "red squadrons", where American pilots portray Russian and Chinese colleagues. Only in this way will it be possible to teach the Americans to resist the Russians and the Chinese in air combat.

Holmes believes that since the modernization of the early F-22 series will not be carried out, it is advisable to direct the released funds to the development of sixth generation fighters. He specified that certain work in this direction is already underway and the development of a new program will allow for a significant modernization of the remaining F-22, later series.

The general added that the F-22s depicting the Su-57 and J-20 will be equipped with standard weapons and ammunition. At the same time they will be deprived of a special stealth coating. However, according to Holmes, the fighter’s maneuverability will not be affected by this, since before that they could repeat all the aerobatics shown on the Su-57. So the F-22 will simply be repainted in the right colors.

Now the F-22 has been upgraded to version 3.2B and is equipped with AIM-9X Block 1 air-to-air missiles. But there are already new AIM-9X Block 2 and AIM-120D missiles.
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  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 2 July 2020 21: 55
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    How old, no one in the world has anything like this 30-year-old airplane so far.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 2 July 2020 22: 29
      -1
      Quote: Arkharov
      no one in the world has anything like this 30-year-old airplane so far.

      And not expected ...
  2. 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 2 July 2020 22: 12
    +3
    Old F-22? Are there any new ones? Their 10 years as they were removed from production.

    Therefore, old, not modernized F-22 series should be used in the "red squadrons", where American pilots portray Russian and Chinese colleagues.

    This is how it turns out. It turns out that they also have fighters of the first series decently different, "childhood diseases" are present. They don't even want to modernize them. And we demand that the Su-57 series be tuned by all means, and until that moment they did not even dare to think about any modernization. winked
    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter (Gleb) 4 July 2020 14: 52
      +1
      And they demand from us that ...

      Certain circles are very eager to see a promising aircraft in the army. People are worried about their defenses. This is normal. It is clear that the prospects will need to be developed, improved and implemented, but this is a different process. After all, if there are no production lines, then "if something" from today to tomorrow, hastily a couple of hundred combat aircraft cannot be conjured up. So far, there is a circulation of dough in a single military aviation industry, to drive a couple of prototypes for a quarter of a century through training grounds and at parades, then write off and you can lay the next "unparalleled" prototypes.
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) 4 July 2020 15: 06
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        "Laying new prototypes" is a useful business, without it there is no way. The absence of a massive supply of new samples to the troops, of course, is not good, but I do not see a tragedy in this. What is available is not so bad and backward that it does not sleep at night because of it. Apparently, the priorities are somewhat different, missiles, missile defense, and so on. As for the Su-57 specifically, as far as I understand, the first batch is being built without any changes. Since the process dragged on, we got improvements for the next modification.
        Calls, they say, first set up and then improve - are not entirely clear. Designers stop work and wait?
        I understand when they grumble that there are no planes in the troops, but as for the designers, they say, dare not do anything yet, I do not approve. hi
        1. Bitter Offline Bitter
          Bitter (Gleb) 4 July 2020 22: 07
          +1
          "Laying new prototypes" is a useful business, without it there is nothing.

          Of course, but before laying, you need a clear plan and, very importantly, real terms. Road spoon to dinner, otherwise money wasted.

          ... say, first set up and then improve.

          Logically, if there is no finished mass product, then it seems that the client is led by the nose and money is pulled from his pocket.

          Designers stop work and wait?

          In no case, but really huge money is spent on product development, and apart from the prototype the client (people) is not shown anything. Why is it impossible, in principle, to create such a flying "base", in which the reserve for optimization will be initially calculated and start riveting it in series. Designers and engineers, a huge field for work. Modernization can be attached to routine maintenance or scheduled repairs. But the client has a real new production plane in his hands. What is needed is a one-piece long-term concept, not a "knee-cut" pair of demo gliders. It's probably not about the designers, but about the managers and kickbacks.

          ... do not dare to do anything yet, do not approve.

          I also do not approve, but the saying about Hodge Nasruddin, donkey and Emir is not so fantastic.
          1. 123 Online 123
            123 (123) 4 July 2020 22: 36
            +2
            In principle, there is no objection, that's just ....

            Modernization can be fastened to routine maintenance or to scheduled repairs.

            How's that? what You mean replacing equipment? Not sure if everything is that simple. Surely design changes will be made.
            As I understand it, modernization does not affect the production of new aircraft. Build airplanes, in parallel working on a modernized version.
            1. Bitter Offline Bitter
              Bitter (Gleb) 5 July 2020 11: 30
              +1
              Surely a change in design.

              There are certain "data" dimensions, here is a ready-made call to the constructors to "push in the unpickable" - work. What is the point of developing an airplane for a quarter of a century in order to declare after ten or five years of operation that it is already outdated and a new prototype is needed.

              Build airplanes, in parallel working on a modernized version.

              Well, that holds, go ahead and with the song. Serial production of the aircraft will reduce their unit cost, respectively, there will be available funds for modernization, rationalization. Technologists also need time to develop, standardize and optimize processes for the serial production of components and assemblies. Smooth, as a rule, happens only on paper.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 July 2020 23: 40
    -2
    And, the Russian edition of The National Interest again zagigachil some kind of game. Tear off stealth from normal fighters to simulate unaccepted SU?
    And what for? Some other Fs have long been painted and adjusted to imitate Su, they wrote.
  4. Dmitry S. Offline Dmitry S.
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 3 July 2020 10: 17
    +1
    There is a more interesting proposal: to take them to the Patriot Park Museum.
    1. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
      Observer2014 4 July 2020 09: 40
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      Quote: Dmitry S.
      There is a more interesting proposal: to take them to the Patriot Park Museum.

      To get them there. They must first be obtained in battle.
  5. Boragl Offline Boragl
    Boragl (Boragl) 4 July 2020 08: 44
    +1
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Arkharov
    no one in the world has anything like this 30-year-old airplane so far.

    And not expected ...

    I’m embarrassed to ask ... are you so diligently licking for what reason?
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 4 July 2020 12: 47
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      Do you always think about rimming on Saturday morning?
  6. Boragl Offline Boragl
    Boragl (Boragl) 7 July 2020 13: 24
    +2
    Quote: Cyril
    Do you always think about rimming on Saturday morning?

    You know better .. in my "wild" RUSSIA to lick s .... y is to lick s .... y ... this is what you have in "sluggish europies" for perversions they come up with new clever words ... although, with this the number of sexes, maybe that's okay ... for you. Maybe you breed like that ... I dare not judge. But marriage is a union between a woman and a man. Everything else is disease and anomaly.