“Penny price”: in Kazakhstan are dissatisfied with Putin’s words about “gifts from the Russian people”

29 2020 June 38

Russian president in the program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin ”on June 21 stated that the Soviet republics, leaving the USSR, should not have taken more territory with them than they had at the time of joining the Soviet Union -“ gifts from the Russian people ”in the form of additional lands had to be returned . This was reported by the Kazakh resource Qazaq Uni.

According to the correspondent of the publication, Putin gave a clear sign to the inhabitants of Russia - if the amendments to the Constitution are supported, and the current owner of the Kremlin will have the opportunity to rule further, the former union republics (and now independent states) can be taken away from land that did not belong to them before.

Putin's confidence rating inside Russia is falling dramatically. So, in January 2020, it decreased by 4% and amounted to about 35%. Apparently, with the words about the return of “gifts from the people of Russia,” the leader of the country wants to increase his prestige among the Russians.

However, Putin’s statements about territories are historically and legally incorrect. The fact is that the procedure for the republics to leave the USSR was clearly spelled out in the law, including the issue of the territorial affiliation of certain lands. In addition, on January 18, 2005, the heads of Russia and Kazakhstan signed an agreement on the state border.

The price of guarantees and signatures of the Russian authorities in the world has long been known - they are not worth a penny. So we don’t need to relax and flatter ourselves about it.

- the Kazakhstan expert noted.

Kazakhstan was the last to leave the USSR on December 16, 1991, with a smaller territory than at the time it entered the common state. So, native Kazakh lands are part of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Orenburg and Kurgan regions, as well as the Altai Territory of the Russian Federation.

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steelmaker

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29 June 2020 16: 24

... native Kazakh lands are part of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Orenburg and Kurgan regions, as well as the Altai Territory of the Russian Federation.

And didn’t the Kazakhs accidentally build the Ural Mountains?
1. goncharov.62
  
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  29 June 2020 18: 20
  
  And Kamchatka is a native Kazakh zemlyatse ...
  1. Bitter
    
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    30 June 2020 00: 42
    
    Or maybe Turkish? When do we start counting?
2. Martial Artist
  
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  29 June 2020 23: 08
  
  ... they all need (Kazakhs, Bandera and other National Bolsheviks), and return all the Russian lands that were in the Russian Empire and which the Bolsheviks gave away to all the cockroaches ...
  It is time to RESTORE THE WHOLE RUSSIAN EMPIRE ....
  1. Bitter
    
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    30 June 2020 00: 46
    
    The Bolsheviks were building a completely different world and did not give away anything to anyone, gave away "the father of" Russian "democracy" and not so long ago.
    1. Yuri Nemov
      
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      30 June 2020 10: 30
      
      Lenin and Finland. Lenin and Ukraine. Read.
      1. Bitter
        
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        1 July 2020 00: 32
        
        Talking about self-determination is, of course, good, but having working industrial connections and infrastructures, no one will want to decide anywhere - they are not looking for good from good.
        It is interesting, of course, but the Soviet Union built a global infrastructure in all territories of the republics. Maybe things did not go as fast as they wanted, but the country was huge. The colossal losses in the war also passed without a trace, and the arbitrariness of repressions in the late 30s also claimed more than one talented life.
        Gentlemen "Yeltsin" with a camarilla took more than a dozen years to pocket something, destroy a lot, or just sell and distribute. To destroy such a colossus, one must be a complete "idiot" or an ardent enemy of the country and the people living in it.
gorenina91

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29 June 2020 17: 03

So, native Kazakh lands are part of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Orenburg and Kurgan regions, as well as the Altai Territory of the Russian Federation.

- Yes, Russia generously allocated territory (on behalf of the EBN) Kazakhstan ... - And the Akmola region ended up there (with the Tselinograd region) ...- And the city of Tselinograd (Akmola ... Akmola) suddenly became Nursultan ...
- Yes, even my native Omsk region ... - and then they "fastened" to the "great Kazakhstan" ...
- Well, the tragedy is all ... - And this territory, which was mistakenly given by Russia by misunderstanding even in times of bad times ... will still be challenged ...
Dmitry S.

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29 June 2020 17: 08

Almaty - originally a Russian military outpost / fort, was called "Verny". When Russia was building cities in those territories, what were the Kazakhs busy with?
1. Yuri Nemov
  
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  30 June 2020 10: 32
  
  Sheep rams were driven across the steppe. And let at least one card be presented, where were the borders of Kazakhstan before joining Russia.
beeper

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29 June 2020 17: 17

This does not go to the grandmother, what kind of thief admits that he took someone else's ?!
Nazarbayevich, a grated kalach - a seasoned party apparatchik, who immediately picked up (or maybe he himself suggested to the wretched "combiner" ?!) Gorbachev's "nationalist trend" for the collapse of the Union - immediately began to pinch - to force the outflow of the Russian population on the historical Russian lands seized by Kazakhstan!
The Yekaterinburg drunkard-komrenegat meekly, in a servile manner, gave all the outlying Russian lands to the arrogant national separatists (and was not opposed to ruining the Russian Federation and further - "how many who can wish for themselves sovereignty", up to the separation of regions and cities!), If only he "from rags-to-riches ", even" for an hour ", to be" Tsar Boris "and" America favored "himself!
Dust

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29 June 2020 17: 17

Kazakhstan NEVER had statehood .... Russia united the tribes, added their lands to them and turned out to be the Kazakh SSR. Now, with the advent of the new leadership, Russians are being ousted from the northern territories, the Cyrillic alphabet is being replaced by Latin ..... And in the textbooks of Kazakhstan for children they write nasty things about Russia. That Russia staged genocide and occupied the country .... In the style of Ukrainian madness.
1. gorenina91
  
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  29 June 2020 17: 31
  
  Kazakhstan NEVER had statehood .... Russia united the tribes, added their lands to them and turned out to be the Kazakh SSR. Now, with the advent of the new leadership, Russians are being ousted from the northern territories, the Cyrillic alphabet is being replaced by Latin ..... And in the textbooks of Kazakhstan for children they write nasty things about Russia. That Russia staged genocide and occupied the country .... In the style of Ukrainian madness.
  
  - Yes, yes, yes ... there were different tribal nomadic Kara-Kyrgyzs (as they were not called) ...- And then the Kazakh nationality came up with the nationality ...- they still have different tribal zhuzes (juzes) ... and gave them a huge administrative territory ...
  - Well, today the Russians who are there ...- live quieter than water and lower than grass ...
  - And the situation for the Russians is about the same as ... the situation in South Africa today ... when the "national revolution" took place ... - Not much different ...
  1. Accidentally
    
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    1 July 2020 08: 24
    
    And Kazakhstan ???? Once again, Kazakhstan.
2. Dmitry S.
  
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  29 June 2020 17: 54
  
  History textbooks in Kazakhstan differ little from Belarusian "history stories" - here I deliberately compare the school curriculum for grades 6-7. Being in both countries, I bought these prints. In Kazakhstan, it turns out, the horse was first tamed, and Belarus, like all the Balts, was tormented by Muscovy, having introduced aggressive wars from the XIV century. About the wars of Muscovy - a separate work with a circulation of 500 copies! I gave 28 Belarusian rubles for it in Minsk 3 years ago. With all this, there and there, it was possible to unmistakably recognize a Russian by a large banknote of the local currency.
123

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29 June 2020 17: 26
And Kazakhstan left the USSR with a smaller territory than it was. Not Russia donated its lands to Kazakhstan, but Kazakhstan donated its lands to Russia! Part of the Orenburg, part of the Tyumen, part of the Kurgan, part of the Omsk, part of the Astrakhan regions of the Russian Federation, as well as part of the Altai Territory and part of Altai - these are originally Kazakh lands ...

As far as I remember, the Kazakh SSR was formed in 1936. Prior to this, part of the territory of modern Kazakhstan was called the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and was part of the RSFSR, the Khorezm and Bukhara republics were separately.
So the citizen Dastan ELDES has beguiled something, but for nationalists this is not surprising.
1. beeper
  
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  29 June 2020 17: 56
  
  but for nationalists this is not surprising.
  
  It is not surprising, because the ungrateful "Ukrainian" Banderonaziks also very, very far "stretch" their "territorial claims" to Russian lands and also try to "substantiate them" allegedly with a thousand-year Ukrainian statehood (and even with the "proto-Ukrainian" "ancient Trypillian culture" ) ".
  1. 123
    
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    29 June 2020 18: 51
    
    One field of berries, go to their website Qazaq Uni, replace the Kazakh language with MOV and you won’t notice the difference.
    1. King3214
      
      0
      
      29 June 2020 22: 35
      
      Kazakhs are Asian Ukrainians. Full analogue.
      1. 123
        
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        1 July 2020 16: 00
        
        Kazakhs are Asian Ukrainians. Full analogue.
        
        The point, as always, is not nationality, but certain analogies can be traced.
        
        King3214
        
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        1 July 2020 20: 07
        
        It is not a matter of nationality, but of mentality.
2. Accidentally
  
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  1 July 2020 08: 26
  
  And where are Kazakhstan lost ??? Or was history taught back to front?
boriz

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29 June 2020 19: 23

They don’t even have their own name. What is - stolen. 123 brought the date of the emergence of the Kazakh SSR. And before that, what happened? And there was the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic:

... from June 1925 to February 1936 it was called the Kazak Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic (Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Kazakhstan) (Kazakh. Qazaq Aptonom Sotsijalistik Sovettik Respublikas, Qazaƣstan, Kazakh. Autonomous Socialist Republic of Kazakhstan ...)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0
%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F

Under the Russian Empire, there were the territories of the Cossack troops. And local tribes chased sheep across the steppe. Sverdlov commanded the Cossacks to lime (those that themselves did not leave). And now even the memory of them is being diligently destroyed. Therefore, the lands of the Yaitsk Cossacks were given to the "country" who had come from nowhere.
And here is what caring people say:

http://kazakural.ru/23nteresno/assr/

But the truth still climbs like an awl from a bag: 123 brought the name of the site (Qazaq Uni), and there, if translated from Latin, KAZAK is visible, and not Kazakh.
This is just the land of the Cossack troops, from which the Cossacks were eradicated.
1. 123
  
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  29 June 2020 21: 44
  
  The wikipedia link is not working.
  1. boriz
    
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    29 June 2020 23: 13
    
    Yes, it is strange. Copying the address does not work.
    Just type in Google "Kazak ASSR", moreover, select "Search only Kazak ASSR"
    There were no problems before, now they are slowly erasing the info.
molotkov60mkpu

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29 June 2020 19: 42

Before joining the USSR was the Kazakh state? Or nomadic tribes called the Kirghiz?
King3214

0

29 June 2020 22: 34

How to grab someone else's from the Ukrainian general secretaries, they were happy, at the full snout!
Now what happened? Stolen must be returned or redeemed.
Martial Artist

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29 June 2020 22: 56

Kazakhstan was never such a country before the 1917 revolution ... This is Russian land ...
Kazakhs are the "rolling stone" people - they came from Mongolia and China and must go there too ...
They will have to give Russian lands.
Don36

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29 June 2020 23: 21

Give UKROPs to Voronezh too, and even Kharkiv did not belong to Ukraine at the time of Ukraine’s entry into Russia, so the Kazakh Natsiks forgot that they never belonged to the whole north of Kazakhstan ... By the way, pogroms and robberies on ethnic grounds, arranged by them in Almaty Ata, we also remember well, this is by the way about the honor, signatures and friendship of peoples ...
gorenina91

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30 June 2020 05: 41

- Well, but actually here ... here on the site there is a very progressive, very advanced, very modern and very democratic ... site manager ... is ... someone "Bakht (Bakhtiyar)" ....
- And for some reason this "Bakht (Bakhtiyar)" suddenly disappeared somewhere ... - he took it and suddenly "disappeared" ...
- And who will express his opinion for him ??? - Couldn't I ???
- Yes, how is it personally I can do it ??? - Personally, I can only ask him my own questions ...
- This is very, very interesting to me ... how is the situation with the rights of the Russian population in its Bakhtiyar state ??? No, well, personally, I don’t make any national claims ... - And ... God forbid ... - I don’t even think of raising any nationalistic problems ... - I just can personally ask ... what rights they have Russian (or Russian-speaking - as it is now commonly called) in his Bakhtiyar state ???
- For the representatives of his fellow tribesmen personally, I can answer that in Russia no one oppresses them and does not make them people of "second class" and so on ... - they have all the same rights as all the indigenous inhabitants of the Russian Federation ... - That's all...
- But what about the rights of Russian-speakers in his Bakhtiyar state ??? And if, God forbid ... suddenly they are violated there; how he personally defends the rights of the Russian-speaking ... - because he is so modern and civilized ... - and cannot remain indifferent if he sees that human rights are being violated ... - Here again, I am responsible for him ...
- You yourself, Mr. "Bakht (Bakhtiyar)" ... answer ... - be so kind ...
1. Rashid116
  
  +1
  
  30 June 2020 11: 05
  
  Do you have any personal insult to Bakhtiyar? And what is this Bakhtiyar state? If Tatarstan, then I also live in it)) You can ask me, I am in the know.
  1. Accidentally
    
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    1 July 2020 08: 29
    
    Rashid, excuse me, please .... right - BULGARIA.
    1. Rashid116
      
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      2 July 2020 08: 35
      
      Slightly misunderstood, sorry. I mean, right Bulgaria, and not Tatarstan? If you had this in mind, then I do not belong to those stubborn our fellow countrymen for whom everything is Tatar and the name is ancient. We are too mixed here, and the borders have already changed a hundred times. But far to go, I have a Russian wife, two children, soon we will celebrate twenty-five years of marriage. Is this where everything is in this situation? We had one chicken - Bayramova. The fucking Nazi, she said, we’ll cut such children as mine in half. I answered her - just move, I’ll cut you ... and also about half in half)))
      1. Accidentally
        
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        9 July 2020 07: 49
        
        That's right ...... In the sense of Bulgaria - this is a historical name ... but one - on the Don, if you go for a walk with the clan Cossack in the Cossack-Tatar surzhik, the Great Russians (Russians) will not understand much, so M. Sholokhov, the so-called author of Quiet Don ........... resting. It’s more and more difficult that we left the Golden Horde, and from there both conversation and gutar .. I have a Tatar friend from Penza who asked me how my mother knows Tatar, although my mother did not learn the language in principle. All genetic memory.
2. goncharov.62
  
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  5 July 2020 14: 14
  
  Yes, that's right - it was like that. It is very difficult to discuss with such. Rather, it is useless.
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Nick

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30 June 2020 09: 38

Putin didn’t mention a word about Kazakhstan ... And by the way, Kazakhstan never had its own statehood. Before the revolution of 1917, the territory of present-day Kazakhstan was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then, until 1936, part of the RSFSR.
Alexander shekhtman

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30 June 2020 16: 20

The Kyrgyz did not immediately become Kazakhs, but they quickly got used to and did not tolerate other names.
1. 123
  
  +4
  
  1 July 2020 11: 50
  
  The Kyrgyz did not immediately become Kazakhs, but they quickly got used to and did not tolerate other names.
  
  Yes, no one is against their self-designation. And no one has anything against them. Another thing is that the path of development has suspiciously begun to resemble "embroidery". People are taught that the Kazakh language is the only correct one, this is their land, they must decide everything, only representatives of the titular nation are in the leadership. The rest are incorrect, in fact - second-class people. Where this leads - Ukraine is a good example.
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