“Penny price”: in Kazakhstan are dissatisfied with Putin’s words about “gifts from the Russian people”


Russian president in the program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin ”on June 21 stated that the Soviet republics, leaving the USSR, should not have taken more territory with them than they had at the time of joining the Soviet Union -“ gifts from the Russian people ”in the form of additional lands had to be returned . This was reported by the Kazakh resource Qazaq Uni.


According to the correspondent of the publication, Putin gave a clear sign to the inhabitants of Russia - if the amendments to the Constitution are supported, and the current owner of the Kremlin will have the opportunity to rule further, the former union republics (and now independent states) can be taken away from land that did not belong to them before.

Putin's confidence rating inside Russia is falling dramatically. So, in January 2020, it decreased by 4% and amounted to about 35%. Apparently, with the words about the return of “gifts from the people of Russia,” the leader of the country wants to increase his prestige among the Russians.

However, Putin’s statements about territories are historically and legally incorrect. The fact is that the procedure for the republics to leave the USSR was clearly spelled out in the law, including the issue of the territorial affiliation of certain lands. In addition, on January 18, 2005, the heads of Russia and Kazakhstan signed an agreement on the state border.

The price of guarantees and signatures of the Russian authorities in the world has long been known - they are not worth a penny. So we don’t need to relax and flatter ourselves about it.

- the Kazakhstan expert noted.

Kazakhstan was the last to leave the USSR on December 16, 1991, with a smaller territory than at the time it entered the common state. So, native Kazakh lands are part of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Orenburg and Kurgan regions, as well as the Altai Territory of the Russian Federation.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 29 June 2020 16: 24
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    ... native Kazakh lands are part of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Orenburg and Kurgan regions, as well as the Altai Territory of the Russian Federation.

    And didn’t the Kazakhs accidentally build the Ural Mountains?
    1. goncharov.62 Offline
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 29 June 2020 18: 20
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      And Kamchatka is a native Kazakh zemlyatse ...
      1. Bitter Offline
        Bitter (Gleb) 30 June 2020 00: 42
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        Or maybe Turkish? When do we start counting?
    2. Warrior Offline
      Warrior 29 June 2020 23: 08
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      ... they all need (Kazakhs, Bandera and other National Bolsheviks), and return all the Russian lands that were in the Russian Empire and which the Bolsheviks gave away to all the cockroaches ...
      It is time to RESTORE THE WHOLE RUSSIAN EMPIRE ....
      1. Bitter Offline
        Bitter (Gleb) 30 June 2020 00: 46
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        The Bolsheviks built a completely different world and don’t give away anything to anyone, the "father of the" Russian "democracy" gave away >> and not so long ago. hi
        1. Yuri Nemov Offline
          Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 30 June 2020 10: 30
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          Lenin and Finland. Lenin and Ukraine. Read.
          1. Bitter Offline
            Bitter (Gleb) 1 July 2020 00: 32
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            Talking about self-determination is, of course, good, but having working industrial connections and infrastructures, no one will want to decide anywhere - they are not looking for good from good.
            It is interesting, of course, but the Soviet Union built a global infrastructure in all territories of the republics. Maybe things did not go as fast as they wanted, but the country was huge. The colossal losses in the war also passed without a trace, and the arbitrariness of repressions in the late 30s also claimed more than one talented life.
            It took the gentlemen “Yeltsins" with camarilla more than a dozen years to pocket something, ruin a lot, or simply sell and give it away. To ruin such a colossus, one must be a complete "idiot" or an ardent enemy of the country and the people living in it.
  2. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 29 June 2020 17: 03
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    So, native Kazakh lands are part of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Orenburg and Kurgan regions, as well as the Altai Territory of the Russian Federation.

    - Yes, Russia generously allocated territory (on behalf of the EBN) Kazakhstan ... - And the Akmola region ended up there (with the Tselinograd region) ...- And the city of Tselinograd (Akmola ... Akmola) suddenly became Nursultan ...
    - Yes, even my native Omsk region ... - and then they "fastened" to "great Kazakhstan" ...
    - Well, the tragedy is all ... - And this territory, which was mistakenly given by Russia by misunderstanding even in times of bad times ... will still be challenged ...
  3. Dmitry S. Offline
    Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 29 June 2020 17: 08
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    Almaty - originally a Russian military outpost / fort, was called "Faithful." When Russia built cities in those territories, what were the Kazakhs busy with?
    1. Yuri Nemov Offline
      Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 30 June 2020 10: 32
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      Sheep rams were driven across the steppe. And let at least one card be presented, where were the borders of Kazakhstan before joining Russia.
  4. beeper Offline
    beeper 29 June 2020 17: 17
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    This does not go to the grandmother, what kind of thief admits that he took someone else's ?! winked
    Nazarbayevich, grated kalach - an experienced party apparatchik who immediately picked up (or maybe he himself thought up the wretched "combine" ?!) the Gorbachev "nationalist trend" in the collapse of the Union - he immediately began to ache - to force the Russian population to seize Kazakhstan’s historical Russian lands!
    The Yekaterinburg drunk-comrenegate gave all the suburban Russian lands meekly, in a slavish way, to the impudent national separatists (and was not opposed to ruining the Russian Federation further - “how much could anyone wish for sovereignty”, up to the separation of regions and cities!), If only to him “from rush to riches ", at least" for an hour ", to be" Tsar Boris "and" America favored "yourself! fool
  5. Dust Offline
    Dust (Sergei) 29 June 2020 17: 17
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    Kazakhstan NEVER had statehood .... Russia united the tribes, added their lands to them and turned out to be the Kazakh SSR. Now, with the advent of the new leadership, Russians are being ousted from the northern territories, the Cyrillic alphabet is being replaced by Latin ..... And in the textbooks of Kazakhstan for children they write nasty things about Russia. That Russia staged genocide and occupied the country .... In the style of Ukrainian madness.
    1. gorenina91 Offline
      gorenina91 (Irina) 29 June 2020 17: 31
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      Kazakhstan NEVER had statehood .... Russia united the tribes, added their lands to them and turned out to be the Kazakh SSR. Now, with the advent of the new leadership, Russians are being ousted from the northern territories, the Cyrillic alphabet is being replaced by Latin ..... And in the textbooks of Kazakhstan for children they write nasty things about Russia. That Russia staged genocide and occupied the country .... In the style of Ukrainian madness.

      - Yes, yes, yes ... there were different tribal nomadic Kara-Kyrgyzs (as they were not called) ...- And then the Kazakh nationality came up with the nationality ...- they still have different tribal zhuzes (juzes) ... and gave them a huge administrative territory ...
      - Well, today the Russians who are there ...- live quieter than water and lower than grass ...
      - And the situation for Russians is about the same as ... like the situation in South Africa today .. when the "national revolution" took place ... - Not much is different ...
      1. Accidentally Offline
        Accidentally 1 July 2020 08: 24
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        And Kazakhstan ???? Once again, Kazakhstan.
    2. Dmitry S. Offline
      Dmitry S. (Dmitry Sanin) 29 June 2020 17: 54
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      Kazakhstan’s history books differ little from the Belarusian “history stories” - here I intentionally compare the school curriculum for grades 6-7. Being in both states, I bought these prints. It turns out that Kazakhstan tamed the horse for the first time, and Belarus, like all the Baltic states, was tormented by Muscovy, introducing aggressive wars from the 500th century. About the Muscovite wars - a separate work with a circulation of 28 copies! Already 3 Belarusian rubles for him in Minsk he gave XNUMX years ago. With all that, there and there, it was unmistakably possible to recognize a Russian by a large banknote of local currency.
  6. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 29 June 2020 17: 26
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    And Kazakhstan left the USSR with a smaller territory than it was. Not Russia donated its lands to Kazakhstan, but Kazakhstan donated its lands to Russia! Part of the Orenburg, part of the Tyumen, part of the Kurgan, part of the Omsk, part of the Astrakhan regions of the Russian Federation, as well as part of the Altai Territory and part of Altai - these are originally Kazakh lands ...

    As far as I remember, the Kazakh SSR was formed in 1936. Prior to this, part of the territory of modern Kazakhstan was called the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and was part of the RSFSR, the Khorezm and Bukhara republics were separately.
    So the citizen Dastan ELDES has beguiled something, but for nationalists this is not surprising.

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      beeper 29 June 2020 17: 56
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      but for nationalists this is not surprising.

      It is not surprising, since the ungrateful “Ukrainians” Bandera Nazis also very, very far “stretch” their “territorial claims” to Russian lands and also try to “justify” them “allegedly” with thousand-year-old Ukrainian statehood (and even “proto-Ukrian” “ancient Trypillian culture” ) ". winked
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 29 June 2020 18: 51
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        One field of berries, go to their website Qazaq Uni, replace the Kazakh language with MOV and you won’t notice the difference. hi
        1. King3214 Offline
          King3214 (Sergius) 29 June 2020 22: 35
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          Kazakhs are Asian Ukrainians. Full analogue.
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 1 July 2020 16: 00
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            Kazakhs are Asian Ukrainians. Full analogue.

            The point, as always, is not nationality, but certain analogies can be traced.

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              King3214 (Sergius) 1 July 2020 20: 07
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              It is not a matter of nationality, but of mentality.
    2. Accidentally Offline
      Accidentally 1 July 2020 08: 26
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      And where are Kazakhstan lost ??? Or was history taught back to front?
  7. boriz Offline
    boriz (boriz) 29 June 2020 19: 23
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    They don’t even have their own name. What is - stolen. 123 brought the date of the emergence of the Kazakh SSR. And before that, what happened? And there was the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic:

    ... from June 1925 to February 1936 it was called the Kazak Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic (Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Kazakhstan) (Kazakh. Qazaq Aptonom Sotsijalistik Sovettik Respublikas, Qazaƣstan, Kazakh. Autonomous Socialist Republic of Kazakhstan ...)

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0
    %B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F

    Under the Russian Empire, there were territories of Cossack troops. And local tribes drove rams across the steppe. Sverdlov ordered the Cossacks to lime (those that themselves did not leave). And now even the memory of them is carefully destroyed. Therefore, the lands of the Yaitsky Cossacks were given away to an unknown "country".
    And here is what caring people say:

    http://kazakural.ru/23nteresno/assr/

    But the truth still climbs like an awl from a bag: 123 brought the name of the site (Qazaq Uni), and there, if translated from Latin, KAZAK is visible, and not Kazakh.
    This is just the land of the Cossack troops, from which the Cossacks were eradicated.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 29 June 2020 21: 44
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      The wikipedia link is not working. hi
      1. boriz Offline
        boriz (boriz) 29 June 2020 23: 13
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        Yes, it is strange. Copying the address does not work.
        Just type in "Google Cossack Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic" in Google, and select "Search only Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic"
        There were no problems before, now they are slowly erasing the info.
  8. molotkov60mkpu Offline
    molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 29 June 2020 19: 42
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    Before joining the USSR was the Kazakh state? Or nomadic tribes called the Kirghiz?
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    King3214 (Sergius) 29 June 2020 22: 34
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    How to grab someone else's from the Ukrainian general secretaries, they were happy, at the full snout!
    Now what happened? Stolen must be returned or redeemed.
  10. Warrior Offline
    Warrior 29 June 2020 22: 56
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    Kazakhstan was never such a country before the 1917 revolution ... This is Russian land ...
    The Kazakhs are the people "roll the field" - they came from Mongolia and China and must go there too ...
    They will have to give Russian lands.
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    Don36 (Don36) 29 June 2020 23: 21
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    Give UKROPs to Voronezh too, and even Kharkiv did not belong to Ukraine at the time of Ukraine’s entry into Russia, so the Kazakh Natsiks forgot that they never belonged to the whole north of Kazakhstan ... By the way, pogroms and robberies on ethnic grounds, arranged by them in Almaty Ata, we also remember well, this is by the way about the honor, signatures and friendship of peoples ...
  12. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 June 2020 05: 41
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    - Well, actually, here ... here on the site there is a very progressive, very advanced, very modern and very democratic ... a site man ... is ... someone "Bakht (Bakhtiyar)" ....
    - And something, this "Bakht (Bakhtiyar)" suddenly disappeared somewhere ... - so it took it and urgently suddenly "disappeared" ...
    - And who will express his opinion for him ??? - Couldn't I ???
    - Yes, how is it personally I can do it ??? - Personally, I can only ask him my own questions ...
    - This is very, very interesting to me ... how is the situation with the rights of the Russian population in its Bakhtiyar state ??? No, well, personally, I don’t make any national claims ... - And ... God forbid ... - I don’t even think of raising any nationalistic problems ... - I just can personally ask ... what rights they have Russian (or Russian-speaking - as it is now commonly called) in his Bakhtiyar state ???
    - For the representatives of his fellow tribesmen personally, I can answer that no one in Russia oppresses them and does not make them “second-class” people and so on ... - they have all the same rights as all the indigenous people of the Russian Federation ... - That's all...
    - But what about the rights of Russian-speakers in his Bakhtiyar state ??? And if, God forbid ... suddenly they are violated there; how he personally defends the rights of the Russian-speaking ... - because he is so modern and civilized ... - and cannot remain indifferent if he sees that human rights are being violated ... - Here again, I am responsible for him ...
    - You yourself, Mr. "Bakht (Bakhtiyar)" ... answer ...- so be so kind ...
    1. Rashid116 Offline
      Rashid116 (Rashid) 30 June 2020 11: 05
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      Do you have any personal insult to Bakhtiyar? And what is this Bakhtiyar state? If Tatarstan, then I also live in it)) You can ask me, I am in the know.
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        Accidentally 1 July 2020 08: 29
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        Rashid, excuse me, please .... right - BULGARIA.
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          Rashid116 (Rashid) 2 July 2020 08: 35
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          Slightly misunderstood, sorry. I mean, right Bulgaria, and not Tatarstan? If you had this in mind, then I do not belong to those stubborn our fellow countrymen for whom everything is Tatar and the name is ancient. We are too mixed here, and the borders have already changed a hundred times. But far to go, I have a Russian wife, two children, soon we will celebrate twenty-five years of marriage. Is this where everything is in this situation? We had one chicken - Bayramova. The fucking Nazi, she said, we’ll cut such children as mine in half. I answered her - just move, I’ll cut you ... and also about half in half)))
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            Accidentally 9 July 2020 07: 49
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            That's right ...... In the sense of Bulgaria - this is a historical name ... but one - on the Don, if you go for a walk with the clan Cossack in the Cossack-Tatar surzhik, the Great Russians (Russians) will not understand much, so M. Sholokhov, the so-called author of Quiet Don ........... resting. It’s more and more difficult that we left the Golden Horde, and from there both conversation and gutar .. I have a Tatar friend from Penza who asked me how my mother knows Tatar, although my mother did not learn the language in principle. All genetic memory.
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      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 July 2020 14: 14
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      Yes, that's right - it was like that. It is very difficult to discuss with such. Rather, it is useless.
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  14. Nick Offline
    Nick (Nikolai) 30 June 2020 09: 38
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    Putin didn’t mention a word about Kazakhstan ... And by the way, Kazakhstan never had its own statehood. Before the revolution of 1917, the territory of present-day Kazakhstan was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then, until 1936, part of the RSFSR.
  15. Alexander Shekhtman (Alexander Shekhtman) 30 June 2020 16: 20
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    The Kyrgyz did not immediately become Kazakhs, but they quickly got used to and did not tolerate other names.
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      123 (123) 1 July 2020 11: 50
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      The Kyrgyz did not immediately become Kazakhs, but they quickly got used to and did not tolerate other names.

      Yes, no one is against their self-designation. And no one has anything against them. Another thing is that the development path began to look suspiciously “embroidered”. It is suggested to people that the Kazakh language is the only correct one, it is their land, they should decide everything, only representatives of the titular nation are in the leadership. The rest are wrong, in fact - second-class people. What this leads to - Ukraine is a good example.
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