How one Superjet killed two promising Russian aircraft


According to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation, about one million hectares of forest has burned down in Russia since the beginning of summer. In Kamchatka, flames rage on a total area of ​​870 hectares. In 46 subjects of the Federation, a special fire regime is established. Against this background, a notice was heard about the sending of two Be-200 amphibious aircraft to Turkey, where they, together with Russian crews, will help Ankara to extinguish forest fires.


This information at the same time affects a whole bunch of serious problems.

At first, these are forest fires themselves, the scale of which is increasing year by year. We have been writing about their causes for several years, and even proposed initiate amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Forest Code, but, apparently, were not heard.

Secondly, this is the very use of seaplanes in our country. Be-200 have a combination of unique characteristics that allow them to extinguish the most terrible forest fires. Particular attention was drawn to them in 2010, when President Putin personally participated in a firefighting camera. Since then, amphibious aircraft have extinguished fires abroad: in Greece, Israel, Portugal, Indonesia, Montenegro. Now Turkey has shown interest in renting two Be-200s at once.

At the same time, according to the Accounting Chamber, for the period from 2017 to 2019, the Ministry of Emergency Situations used fire seaplanes for their intended purpose only 42 times, which makes up 8% of the total number of emergency situations. But the Be-200 was involved in commercial flights, which amounted to over 40% of the total number of their raids. Over 2 billion rubles were earned. Also, of course, well done, money just doesn’t lie on the ground. True, it is curious how much forest burned during this time, which could be put out. Presumably, in Turkey, the Be-200 will also not work for free.

Thirdly, it’s worth once again to think about why the domestic seaplane, which is so in demand abroad, is not conveyor-made for export? The answer will not be entirely clear. Some will say that Ukraine is to blame for everything, which after 2014 stopped supplying aircraft engines to Russia. There is a lot of truth in this, indeed, the breakdown of industrial ties was a painful blow, and its consequences will be reflected for a long time, which we will discuss in detail told earlier. But this is not the whole truth.

Long before the Maidan and sanctions, back in 2010, a contract with the United States for 10 seaplanes could be signed. What happened next, explains the chief designer of the Be-200 Alexander Yavkin. According to him, Mikhail Poghosyan intervened in the case, who defended the Superjet project, and he did not need any competitors for the development of budget funds:

He began to convince everyone that the Be-200 is an unpromising machine. It was necessary to see how he stamped his feet on our then General Director of TANTK them. Beriev Viktor Kobzev, so that he did not even arise about the Be-200.

It turns out that the Superjet crossed the road at once to two promising projects: Tu-334 and Be-200. About how, due to the intrigues of Mr. Poghosyan, the Tu-334 train “left,” we also disassembled. If we return to the Be-200, it turns out that the decision makers themselves “buried” it long before the destructive actions of Kiev.

Over the past decade, many seaplanes could be produced, suitable both for extinguishing fires in Russia and in foreign countries, and for their commercial use in air transportation, which was clearly demonstrated by the Ministry of Emergencies, according to the Accounts Chamber. The mentioned designer Alexander Yavkin believes that in the near future the Chinese “Water Dragon” (Jiaolong AG600) can take a vacant place.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 23 June 2020 10: 53
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    And in the government, are they completely uneducated? Actually, what am I talking about? Government and education are incompatible concepts! EGE-shniki, so more correct.
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  3. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 23 June 2020 10: 59
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    Firstly, these are forest fires themselves, the scale of which is increasing year by year. We have been writing about their reasons for several years, and even suggested initiating amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Forest Code, but, apparently, they were not heard.

    Is it really so? I doubt it. no

    2002 was the record year for the number of forest fires: 43 thousand 418 outbreaks were registered. The forest land covered by the fires then exceeded 1 million 369 thousand hectares ......
    The greatest damage was caused by natural fires of 2010, which affected the entire territory of the European part of the country. It was recorded 34 thousand ....
    The largest area of ​​fires in the modern history of Russia was observed in 2018. According to Avialesokhrana, 8 million 674 thousand hectares were passed by fire (2,5 times more than in 2017)

    https://tass.ru/info/6712527

    Here are the statistics from 2009 to 2016, 2 times decrease:

    https://wiki-fire.org/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%
    BD% D0% B0% D1% 8F

    What do we have this year?

    The area of ​​forest fires in Russia decreased by 26%

    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5ed464b09a794701ba86a936

    Here are the data from a month ago from Avialesohrana

    https://aviales.ru/popup.aspx?news=6005

    Or in 23 days the situation has changed dramatically?
    I don’t know whether to continue further. It turns out that we put forward a false thesis, whisking “God's dew” off our faces, brazenly face readers and based on this we derive the theory of “losing polymers”. Nonsense, as the Superjet “crossed the road” of the Be-200, I don’t even want to discuss it.
    1. Kristallovich Offline
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 23 June 2020 12: 00
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      You yourself cited a quote from TASS, which shows the deteriorating dynamics of forest fires. In addition, you somehow cleverly circumvented the past, 2019 ...
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 23 June 2020 14: 00
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        You yourself cited a quote from TASS, which shows the deteriorating dynamics of forest fires. In addition, you somehow cleverly circumvented the past, 2019 ...

        Why bypassed? I pointed out the link there, the situation for the summer of 2019 was no worse than in 2018. Can be more detailed. yes
        Quite right, the statistics are not good, but it is incorrect to say that:

        these are forest fires themselves, the scale of which is increasing year by year. We have been writing about their reasons for several years, and even suggested initiating amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Forest Code, but, apparently, they were not heard.

        Remote Monitoring Information System of the Federal Forestry Agency:

        http://public.aviales.ru/main_pages/public.shtml

        As of December 21.12.2018, 9, the area covered by fire (covered with forest) is 991 ha; as of December 968, 31.12.2019, the area is - 10 ha.
        It turns out more on 37 601 ha. How accurate is this data? Here is an example from the State Report of the Ministry of Emergencies for 2019. There are also differences; the Ministry for Emergencies indicates more than about 48 ha. The difference is even greater than between the Forest Protection data for 000 and 2018.

        Since the beginning of the fire hazard season of 2019, more than 14,4 thousand foci of natural fires have occurred on the territory of the Russian Federation on the total area
        over 10 078 thousand ha

        https://www.mchs.gov.ru/uploads/document/2020-05-21/e69e310b09363f0e94ca105ab2fe5c75.pdf

        37-48 thousand ha, given the scale, in fact, the statistical error. We can talk about deterioration of statistics only with a big stretch, in fact, there are no grounds for this.
        Especially when it comes to the Forest Code. We need to look at statistics for the entire period of the Code.
        How this is connected with the Forest Code is a mystery, because it has been in force since 1997. For example, there is a link above, from 2009 to 2016, the dynamics is completely different. It turns out that from 2009 to 2016, the Code influenced completely differently? And what happened to him in 2018?
        You can look at 2020. According to data as of June 22.06.2020, 2 - 386 hectares, half of the year has passed, and the data is still 064 times less than for 4. There is reason to say that we will "surpass" last year?
        Total we have a "surge" for the years 201-8-2019, this is not a "growth from year to year." How this is connected with the Forest Code and amendments to the Constitution, I believe, is a rhetorical question. hi
        1. Marzhecki Offline
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 June 2020 07: 28
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          Quote: 123
          How this is connected with the Forest Code is a mystery, because it has been in force since 1997. For example, there is a link above, from 2009 to 2016, the dynamics is completely different. It turns out that from 2009 to 2016, the Code influenced completely differently? And what happened to him in 2018?

          Well, you are an outright juggler and a demagogue. The new LC was adopted in 2007, it is a claim to it. You ride on the ears of someone else.
          1. 123 Offline
            123 (123) 24 June 2020 09: 39
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            Well, you are an outright juggler and a demagogue. The new LC was adopted in 2007, it is a claim to it. You ride on the ears of someone else.

            You are right. yes Wrong. Codex another pointed out, old. Everything else is unchanged, and I wrote about the 2007 code. Maybe, after all, look at the statistics, is it listed on the links since 2009? Or what is happening in the world. Australians, for example, consider their summer fire season to be the worst in 30 years.

            https://gfmc.online/media/2020/06-2020/australia-had-more-supersized-bushfires-creating-their-own-storms-last-summer-than-in-previous-30-years.html

            California. There are 2 times more fires per month than last year.

            https://gfmc.online/media/2020/06-2020/california-gov-newsom-has-to-fight-the-coronavirus-and-wildfire-season-at-the-same-time.html

            Can you introduce their experience to how they intend to change their Forest Code? Or how do constitutional amendments affect their situation with fires?
    2. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 June 2020 07: 26
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      Quote: 123
      Nonsense, as the Superjet “crossed the road” of the Be-200, I don’t even want to discuss it.

      Don’t discuss it, you’re tired of reading any nonsense already.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 24 June 2020 10: 08
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        Don’t discuss it, you’re tired of reading any nonsense already.

        Your footcloths are no better at it. And not the first freshness. This is not your first article about the Be-200.
        The aircraft is specific, demand for it is limited. Say, a contract for 10 pieces? Well, still in the future for the Ministry of Emergencies and the Ministry of Emergencies, a dozen and a half, for export, a maximum of 20 pieces. All. What kind of conveyor can we talk about?
        Be-200 built a half dozen, Superjet (even taking into account all the problems) two hundred and will build a lot more. No one in the world needs hundreds of aircraft to extinguish fires or in a rescue variant.
        The market for passenger seaplanes is also extremely limited. He will remain a piece of goods.
        But it doesn’t matter to you, to hell with reality. It’s more important to blame people for an allegedly wrong decision. After all, they could build a conveyor in 2010 and they could have the opportunity to sell as many as 10 aircraft, and not just anywhere, but in the United States. fellow Instead, Poghosyan built some miserable two hundred aircraft. How was he short-sighted, right? I couldn’t predict that in ten years there would be fires in the USA and they, here weird people, belay instead of changing the forest code, they decide to purchase fire-fighting aircraft. winked

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  7. Dmitry Malikov Offline
    Dmitry Malikov (Dmitry Malikov) 23 June 2020 16: 09
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    But nothing that the BE-200 Ukrainian power plant? If only they had tormented themselves with them now.
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    Ibuprofen (Novel) 23 June 2020 16: 55
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    About 334 - this is not even funny. You can still tell such a tale to schoolchildren. But for adults - sorry.
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    orange (ororpore) 23 June 2020 17: 08
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    This article is with a problem sucked out of the fingers. Fighters for the revival of the Tu-324 from a deep grave can not calm down in any way, using the occasion with the allegedly damaged Be-200 for another provocation. Why drive a wave of speculation if there are no engines since 2014 and they will appear when it is unknown? And when the Russian counterpart appears, a few more years will pass for certification. Fans of the Tu-324 forget that by the time the Russian engine of the Tu-324 project appears, and so ambiguous, it will be completely obsolete. The people who designed it have long been retired. It will be necessary to re-create a new aircraft, as it happened with the IL-114 that had already flown and produced in Uzbekistan. The aviation industry has so many unfinished projects: IL-114, IL-112, SSJ-75, MS-21. These are complex projects and require a lot of effort. Spray on another phantom for the sake of someone’s ambitions ??????
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    nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 23 June 2020 20: 21
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    Well, Marzhetsky returned to the planes, another old song about the main thing, his fabrications were denied many times, and here again, Yaroslavna’s cry for projects with D-436. Sergey, it was proved many times over many different sites that the Tu-334 would have died without Pogosyan, although this doesn’t cause much love for Pogosyan, the strategic miscalculation of the Russian leadership that they didn’t engage in their own engines in a timely manner was thoughtlessly, or the relevant lobbyists helped me further, I’m not considering it, this is the case of the prosecutors, as well as the results of the activities of Yuri Grudinin in both Taganrog and PJSC Il.
    1. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 June 2020 07: 24
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      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      Well, Marzhetsky returned to the planes, another old song about the main thing, many times his fabrications were refuted, and here again, Yaroslavna’s cry for projects with D-436. Sergey, it’s been proven many times over at various sites

      Who is proven? Pogosyan’s trolls?
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      orange (ororpore) 26 June 2020 11: 03
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      Grudinin, fortunately, has already been fired. Now a new leader. By the way, this mess is evidence of big problems at Rosaviaprom.
  11. master3 Offline
    master3 (Vitali) 24 June 2020 14: 56
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    ... ruined two promising Russian aircraft.

    - and how many people killed!
  12. bariy2019 Offline
    bariy2019 (barium barinov) 24 June 2020 15: 25
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    In Turkey, the BE-200 will earn dollars for top tuziki, and the Russian forest is free ....
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    candidate (candidate) 30 June 2020 19: 31
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    ... sovereign man
    He’s a strategist in life
    A "managerial" approach
    Everything is decided in your income ...