Why no one can stop Israel in Syria


The Israeli Air Force continues to successfully bomb the territory of Syria, and the Russian S-300 is still "menacingly silent." More interestingly, the Iranians and their proxies, which get from these airstrikes, are also inactive. This raises quite logical questions, is it really possible for anyone to calm down Tel Aviv?


The answer will not be very pleasant: it can be done, but the game will not cost the game.

In fact, if such a goal is set, Israeli planes will begin to fall, and their captured prisoners will then be shown on television. But neither Russia, nor Iran, nor Syria itself needs this, at least for now. No one wants to seriously start a fight with the IDF. And there are several reasons for this.

Despite its modest size, Israel militarily dominates the Middle East. Tel Aviv has a well-trained, highly motivated and well-armed army with combat experience. The same factor of limited own territory involuntarily forces the Israelis to provide defense of the country by offensive methods, to fight in a foreign land, as it is fashionable to say, "on distant approaches." Otherwise, the very existence of the Jewish state may be in question.

The main Israeli strategy can be considered the application of military defeat of the enemy in the shortest possible time due to strong blows. Catching and “nullifying” the IDF air forces is not such a big problem if desired. But this will automatically mean a sharp escalation of the conflict with tough retaliation, and this will be a serious challenge.

first. In the event of the start of a full-scale conflict, neither the Russian nor the Iranian military contingent in Syria will be enough to stop the Israelis. Russia’s military potential is immeasurably greater, but the theater of operations is literally across the three seas. Rapid deployment of additional reinforcements can be difficult, but Israel has everything at hand. The defeat of Russians or Iranians in the SAR will be a terrible image blow for Moscow or Tehran.

Second. It is necessary to mention the factor of nuclear weapons. The patriotic public will definitely “boil”, violently crushing the “red buttons” on its “strategic sofas”, sincerely convinced that the Kremlin will immediately wipe Israel into radioactive dust. But we must remember that Tel Aviv, apparently, is itself the owner of a nuclear arsenal:

Firstly, Israel does not have nuclear weapons, and secondly, if necessary, we will use it.

And they’ll apply it. According to reports, several dozen nuclear warheads were deployed in cruise missiles on submarines, mounted on aerial bombs and mounted on ballistic missiles. The latter, by the way, can finish off to the most important cities of both Iran and Russia. Who in their minds wants to get a nuclear strike from such a warlike enemy?

The third. It must be remembered that Israel is the embodied dream of a divided Jewish people who live in most countries of the world. Including, in Russia and Iran, as well as in the USA, where there is a serious lobby at the very top in Washington. Israeli intelligence agencies have an extensive network of agents and a network of agents of influence. If a “big mess” begins in the Middle East, they will still say their word.

The conclusion can be drawn as follows. All of these “Israeli hawks” are easy to knock down if necessary, but this will entail an escalation of the conflict, which no one needs now. Of course, it’s possible to fight Russia’s Israel, but there’s no reason: there’s zero benefit, only losses. In Tel Aviv, this alignment is well understood, and therefore "dirty tricks" with impunity.
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  1. Cyril Offline Cyril
    Cyril (Kirill) 15 May 2020 13: 13
    -1
    Here the middle part of the article is very good, but the conclusions at the end are incorrect.
    This:

    Rapid deployment of additional reinforcements can be difficult, but Israel has everything at hand. The defeat of Russians or Iranians in the SAR will be a terrible image blow for Moscow or Tehran.

    The latter, by the way, can finish off to the most important cities of both Iran and Russia. Who in their minds wants to get a nuclear strike from such a warlike enemy?

    Tel Aviv has a well-trained, highly motivated and well-armed army with combat experience.

    Logically contradicts this:

    All these "Israeli hawks" are easy to massively knock if necessary.

    If you can’t pinch without big losses - this just means that it is difficult to pinch.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 15 May 2020 14: 53
      -2
      ... If you can’t sneak without big losses - this just means that it’s difficult to sneak ..

      ... it’s easy to get it if you do it with the wrong hands (just as the Jews shot down a Russian plane by Syrian air defense forces.)
      For example, Iranian hands.
      Someday this will happen. For example, Iran will acquire through third parties (North Korea?) Technologies (Russia, China?), Sufficient to “wipe out” its enemy.

      And they’ll apply ..

      - Iranians. And without thinking for a long time.
      1. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 15 May 2020 17: 17
        0
        Someday this will happen. For example, Iran will acquire through third parties (North Korea?) Technologies (Russia, China?), Sufficient to “wipe out” its enemy.

        This mantra will be eternal.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 15 May 2020 17: 28
          -4
          Quote: Cyril
          This mantra will be eternal

          Whatever the child is amusing. wink
        2. Dear sofa expert. 15 May 2020 21: 19
          +2
          And if the mantra, then do not even worry about this).
          No need to make vile attacks from the airspace of foreign territories.
          What for? Mantra)
          1. Cyril Offline Cyril
            Cyril (Kirill) 15 May 2020 21: 22
            -5
            ... and if the mantra, then do not even worry about this)

            Despite the fact that Iran does not have the opportunity to erase Israel from the face of the earth and a large enough colon, yet its attacks can cause great damage. These are two different things.

            no need to make vile attacks from the airspace of foreign territories.

            It must be nobly warned by written notice and with a mandatory span of a meter over Syrian air defense. Yes, yes, we know.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 02: 30
              +1
              ... and with a mandatory span of a meter over Syrian air defense. Yes, yes, we know.

              Well, we are talking, like, about Iran.
              What foreign territory will Iran bomb, fighters?)
              Syria can be fired with rockets from Lebanon’s airspace, but geographically, it’s impossible to deal with Iran. So you have to become men and fight in an adult way (with a spell “in a meta over air defense”), or catch Iranian “waffles” from their “large intestine” and chew them silently. They just can get from the territory of Syria.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 May 2020 18: 22
      +3
      There is no contradiction. Technically, you can shoot down, but then you have to deal with the consequences.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 15 May 2020 18: 44
        -2
        It seems that technically this task is very difficult for the Russian air defense systems. I remember in 2015, when the Russian Federation only introduced its forces and settled in the former. Syria, the Israeli media actively discussed the presence of such a new factor as modern Russian air defense systems near Israeli territory and their possible impact on the IDF’s air forces. Polit. observers spoke out diplomatically, they say, the Russians are not our enemies and there is no reason to be afraid of them, and one retired pilot in an interview with Reshet Beth openly said - figs that the Russians will succeed even if they try hard. Something like this...
        1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 02: 42
          +4
          Russia so far has no need to fight with Israel. But if necessary, they will try, and succeed. I do not know any Beta Sieve, but I remember the more famous names: Napoleon, Hitler. They also thought “figs what the Russians will do,” but they were mistaken. Happened. And there were more serious opponents than your country - a booger. It will be required - they will erase you into powder in a matter of minutes. And along with your "overseas roofers." I hope, of course, that this will not come to this. I want to believe in the common sense of people like you. Although the hope is becoming less and less.
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 16 May 2020 06: 29
            -6
            רשת ב (כן ב) - A popular Israeli radio station, the transmission of which I used to listen to while driving. And your comparison of the Israelis with Napoleon and Hitler is meaningless - not the Israelis came to the borders of Russia to support the bloody hostile regime, which throughout the history of independent Israel, is the most bitter and implacable enemy of the Jewish state. Well, if our country is a goat, then yours is an agonizing paralytic. negative
            1. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 12: 24
              +4
              .. רשת ב (כן ב) - A popular Israeli radio station, the transmission of which I used to listen to while driving.

              You do not even have your own pin. We borrowed from "fierce enemies". The second alphabet, apparently, is Cyrillic? From the new "fierce enemies" that you are currently trying to make? By the way, how do you yourself differ from the Arabs?
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 17 May 2020 14: 52
                -7
                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                You don’t even have your own pin

                A pin (from German Stift) is a fastener in the form of a cylindrical or conical rod, designed for fixed connection. Did you mean the alphabet? lol So, a naive Chukchi young man, Jewish writing has been known since the XNUMXth century BC. wassat
                1. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 15: 22
                  +4
                  ... A pin (from German Stift) is a fastener in the form of a cylindrical or conical rod ..

                  Oh, to find fault with an obvious typo - this is generally the bottom)) Fu.
                  If there is intelligence, one could guess that it is a "font". I don’t need to learn German, I know him well. No worse than you - anyway.

                  ... Jewish writing has been known since the XNUMXth century BC.

                  Did the Bible tell you this?) You are so big, but you believe in fairy tales)
                  But historians say other things. For example, that the real Jerusalem, where all biblical events allegedly took place, was generally in a different place. Where is Istanbul today, which was previously called Constantinople, and even earlier, Old Joros (Old Jerusalem). How do you like this?
                  1. Binder Offline Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 17 May 2020 17: 54
                    -5
                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    But historians say other things.

                    This is not historians who say, but complete ignoramuses - Nosovsky and Fomenko. Historians and archaeologists study the land of Israel and find a lot of artifacts.
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                    2. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 13: 20
                      0
                      ... This is not historians who say, but complete ignoramuses - Nosovsky and Fomenko. Historians and archaeologists study the land of Israel and find a lot of artifacts ...

                      I did not insist on the "Istanbul" version, but there are also enough interesting artifacts there. So there are many questions there too.
              2. magma Offline magma
                magma (Tatyana) 18 May 2020 13: 01
                +2
                I look, you consider yourself very smart, and, a former Soviet Jew? Your problem is that you could not integrate into the new Israeli society, the mentality is different. So you sit on our website, in every possible way bearing your real homeland, which in turn shows the level of your decency and mind. For example, an excerpt from your comment:

                history is an objective science

                - the winners write the story, it a priori cannot be objective.
                Well, from this expression I laughed for a long time:

                Israel was created on the initiative of the Zionists as a result of many years of struggle by the Jewish people for the revival of the ancient country of their ancestors.

                What is this mantra? You surely received education in the USSR?
          2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2020 09: 53
            -6
            Quote: Dear couch expert.
            Russia so far has no need to fight with Israel. But if you have to, then they will try, and it will turn out ... there were more serious opponents than your country - a booger.

            I understand that the sofa. Only this excuses you. But about the "booger", I would like to remind or enlighten, if not in the know. It was this derogatory word, an insult, that was used in the USSR in relation to tiny Finland, against which aggression was committed in 1939. This war went down in history as "not famous". Suomi had no tanks or aircraft. Plus - the blitzkrieg of the USSR. The entire campaign took a week. With the final in Helsinki. Even Kuusinen's puppet government was prepared. With the subsequent entry of Finland into the USSR. According to the Baltic scenario. The song was composed: "Take us Suomi beauty". "Kozyavka" not only defended its independence, but showed the whole world that it is possible to destroy 150000 "liberators" in three months, and another 150000 were taken prisoner in Finland. By the way, Hitler after this failure of the Red Army called the USSR "a colossus with feet of clay." During the attack on Poland in 1919, on the initiative of the restless Stalin, the border was shifted as far as Kiev, and the USSR paid the "booger" Poland - the former colony of the Republic of Ingushetia - restitution and reparations. I will note that all these "boogers", unlike Israel, bordered on the USSR. There were no questions with the delivery of equipment and manpower. But fortunately, unlike the USSR, the Russian Federation has adequate leadership at the helm.
            1. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
              Rashid116 (Rashid) 21 May 2020 11: 27
              0
              And do not want to enlighten us, how did this end in the end?
      2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2020 18: 49
        -1
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        There is no contradiction. Technically, you can shoot down, but then you have to deal with the consequences

        Objectively: do not knock down. Why? The author of the publication presents his version. Which is very lively and emotionally perceived on the VO website, having typed more than 350 comments. Both Israel's sympathizers and opponents. But the rhetorical "technically can be knocked down", with an analysis of the reasons why this is not done, is still not evidentiary. And first of all, because neither the author of the publication, nor his critics, have objective information about the agreements, including secret, of all interested parties. Yes, and talking about the technical capabilities without knowing the electronic stuffing of Israeli fighters and the corresponding counter-counters of the opposing air defense is very problematic. Nevertheless, the topic is relevant, the versions are interesting. This is confirmed by hundreds of comments. It is known that practice is the criterion of truth. And I would very much like everything to be limited to the analysis of versions in this specific issue, and not to exacerbate the situation. For my part, I will express my humble opinion that they did not shoot down, they do not shoot down and they will not shoot down. For the reason that Israel and Russia do not have overlapping critical interests. Rather, they coincide with regard to the displacement of Iran from the entire territory of Syria. And the statement what would happen if .... is pseudo-truth. And a guessing game. Which is also very interesting.
      3. Cyril Offline Cyril
        Cyril (Kirill) 15 May 2020 19: 02
        0
        Well, you understand that it is technically possible to shoot down an aircraft of any country with missiles from any other country? Even the antediluvian Hawk can shoot down some of the latest F-15s.

        So, the whole point is precisely in the consequences - about which you have written exhaustively in the middle of the article.
      4. Dear sofa expert. 15 May 2020 21: 24
        +2
        And knocking down should be the “consequence”.
        For example, to "lure" the gps with interference by a plane from Lebanese airspace to Syrian, and then to shoot down as an intruder.
        1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
          Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2020 09: 57
          -1
          Wonderful plan. What will we lure? Matzo, or gefilte fish?
          1. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 12: 27
            +2
            GPS signal distortion, for example. There are other ways.
            “.. gefilte fish” - what?)) Illiterate pronunciation of the German “Gefüllte Fisch“? They would write right away in your native Ukrainian))
            1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
              Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 17 May 2020 13: 54
              -3
              Quote: Dear couch expert.
              GPS signal distortion, for example. There are other ways.
              “.. gefilte fish” - what?)) Illiterate pronunciation of the German “Gefüllte Fisch“? They would write right away in your native Ukrainian))

              I wrote in Russian transcription so that you can read - the name in Hebrew is a national Jewish dish. Without a single mistake. And then the German language? In Hebrew: גפילטע פיש. It is somewhat more difficult for me to communicate in Russian, nevertheless, unlike Hebrew, it is foreign. But I regret to note the poverty of the vocabulary, the primitivism of the expression of thoughts on the part of my Russian-speaking opponents. And, horror - blatant grammatical errors at the elementary school level. So do it - gefilte fish.
              1. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 15: 00
                +2
                ... Quote: Dear couch expert.
                GPS signal distortion, for example. There are other ways.
                “.. gefilte fish” - what?)) Illiterate pronunciation of the German “Gefüllte Fisch“? They would write right away in your native Ukrainian))

                I wrote in Russian transcription so that you can read - the name in Hebrew is a national Jewish dish. Without a single mistake. And then the German language? ..

                "Gefilte Fish", this is not Hebrew) This is Yiddish.

                Yiddish arose in Central and Eastern Europe in the X-XIV centuries on the basis of Middle High German dialects with extensive borrowings from Hebrew and Aramaic (up to 15-20% of vocabulary) and (in the eastern branch) Slavic (in dialects reaches 15%) languages, and later - and from modern German ..

                Wiki
                You see, comrade "ethnic Jew," I have to teach you in your native languages ​​in a foreign language to you). Would not be dishonored here by your "deep knowledge").
                1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                  Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 18 May 2020 04: 21
                  -3
                  In Hebrew - "stuffed fish" is "gefilte fish". And it has nothing to do with the distorted name given by you in German. You misspelled the name of the original Jewish dish. This is not the first or second time I have corrected you. You, as usual, however, undertook to expose. You argued that I incorrectly indicated the name of the dish, but now, taking my own position as a basis, you prove that Hebrew is not "gefilte fish". And not knowing Hebrew. I repeat once more for the gifted: in Hebrew, stuffed fish is called "gefilte fish", as in Yiddish. Letter to letter. And it sounds the same. You: teach me ?! Well, this is your megalomania! You better talk to "alexandrmakedo". As an "expert". Divanny.
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                  2. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 10: 22
                    +2
                    In Hebrew - "stuffed fish" is "gefilte fish".

                    The German name is Gefüllte Fisch = Stuffed Fish. Gefilte Fisch, auch Gefillte Fisch geschrieben (jiddisch = YIDISH (!!!) געפילטע פיש, deutsch "gefüllter Fisch", wörtlich "gefüllte Fische"
                    Gefüllte = stuffed, stuffed. Fisch = Fish.
                    Gefilte Fish is jiddisch (Yiddish), not Hebrew.
                    Will it ever reach you? If you do not believe me, ask real Jews who, unlike you, know both their history and their languages.
                    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
                      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 18 May 2020 15: 22
                      -3
                      Quote: Dear couch expert.
                      In Hebrew - "stuffed fish" is "gefilte fish".

                      The German name is Gefüllte Fisch = Stuffed Fish. Gefilte Fisch, auch Gefillte Fisch geschrieben (jiddisch = YIDISH (!!!) געפילטע פיש, deutsch "gefüllter Fisch", wörtlich "gefüllte Fische"
                      Gefüllte = stuffed, stuffed. Fisch = Fish.
                      Gefilte Fish is jiddisch (Yiddish), not Hebrew.
                      Will it ever reach you? If you do not believe me, ask real Jews who, unlike you, know both their history and their languages.

                      I know, unlike you. You, by any chance, did you serve as a political instructor in the army? Tell me, what does "stuffed fish" sound like in Hebrew? And in Yiddish? And you will get an unambiguous answer: "gefilte fish". And the spelling is the same. In the same way as the original Hebrew word yom yuval migrated into the Russian language, was distorted and began to be called anniversary. Even the slang words "raspberry", "shmon", "freebie" "fraer", "balagan" and many others came to the Russian language from Hebrew. And for example, the word "raspberry" does not come from the name of the famous berry. They simply distorted the pronunciation of the above words, often the meaning, after which these words were firmly registered in the Russian language. So it is with "stuffed fish". The Germans changed the name of the national Jewish dish in their own German way and according to their own grammar. But this does not mean that in Hebrew they say "Gefüllte fish". You can say whatever you want to prove the opposite to me, but that won't change anything. For example, the English folk melody and the words of the song "Evening Bell" will never be native Russian and folk. But only borrowed. Apparently, in childhood you did not visit the reading room organized by the Bolsheviks.
                      1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 15: 34
                        +2
                        ... Tell me, how does "stuffed fish" sound in Hebrew? And in Yiddish? And you will get an unambiguous answer: "gefilte fish" ..

                        - and further - more)

                        ... The Germans redid the name of the national Jewish dish in their German manner ..

                        Everything is clear with you)))))
                  3. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 13: 34
                    0
                    Here you are for self-education:

                    https://medium.com/@faq.africa.asia.team/в-чем-разница-между-иврит-и-идиш-судьба-идиш-196b5d233c60
          2. Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
            Rashid116 (Rashid) 21 May 2020 11: 33
            0
            You can scatter some money near the border, the Jews will lead.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 May 2020 13: 45
    +5
    Yes, the conclusions are still those.
    We see the level of the Arab military quite often. Either the wrong plane will be shot down, or the wrong ship will crash.

    Israel is already fighting a lot of time, and lobbyists in all countries (Cadmi, for example), and often power in bales, help him professionally.
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 15 May 2020 13: 55
    -1
    Ah well done. good He turned on the fan, let down the sewer pipes, now it will flow.
    We are watching the "universal swearing".
    1. Cyril Offline Cyril
      Cyril (Kirill) 15 May 2020 20: 03
      -1
      Quote: 123
      Watching the "universal swearing"

      Well, what else to do in your free time)
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 15 May 2020 20: 26
        +2
        Well, what else to do in your free time)

        One could discuss something more interesting.
      2. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 02: 52
        0
        Well, what else to do in your free time)

        What, right?))) That is, in your 30s it is better to sit all day on the Internet and write such nonsense here? In your years, besides women, in general, there was little else that interested me)
  4. Dear sofa expert. 15 May 2020 15: 01
    -1
    ... We must remember that Israel is the embodied dream of a divided Jewish people ..

    Well, in this dream itself there is nothing wrong. Every nation has the right to do so. But why do you need to climb into some foreign territories, pre-programming your conflict?
    There is autonomy allocated to Jews in the Far East, as part of Russia. Settle, live, no Iran, or the Arabs will not touch you there.
    I think the creation of Israel was originally conceived as a provocation of the Middle East. What they sought, they got it.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 15 May 2020 18: 06
      -2
      Quote: Dear sofa expert.
      There is autonomy allocated to Jews in the Far East, as part of Russia.

      I recall the words of an old Soviet song -

      I don’t need the Turkish coast,
      And I do not need Africa.


      The Jewish people never had any connection with the taiga places that JV Stalin decided to allocate for him, so let the natives of Vost live and live there. Siberia.

      Quote: Dear sofa expert.
      Settle, live, no Iran, or the Arabs will not touch you there.

      The Bolsheviks, led by the Father of Nations, were far worse than all the Persians, Arabs, and anti-Semites combined. stop
      1. Dear sofa expert. 15 May 2020 21: 11
        +3
        ... I do not need a Turkish coast, ..

        As I recall, you live in Odessa? Tired of looking at the Turkish coast from there, but they don’t take to the promised land. Hence, apparently, your spleen. Sorry)
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 15 May 2020 22: 11
          -5
          Quote: Dear sofa expert.
          As I recall, you live in Odessa?

          You are incorrectly informed - I really was born and raised in Odessa, where several generations of my ancestors lived before me, but for many years my family and I have been living in Israel with dual American-Israeli citizenship. And I have no objective reasons for the blues, excuse me. hi
          1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 00: 57
            0
            Well, maybe I confused it with your colleague.)
            1. Binder Offline Binder
              Binder (Miron) 16 May 2020 06: 07
              -4
              It happens ...
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    3. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2020 10: 13
      -2
      Quote: Dear couch expert.
      ... We must remember that Israel is the embodied dream of a divided Jewish people ..

      Well, in this dream itself there is nothing wrong. Every nation has the right to do so. But why do you need to climb into some foreign territories, pre-programming your conflict?
      There is autonomy allocated to Jews in the Far East, as part of Russia. Settle, live, no Iran, or the Arabs will not touch you there.
      I think the creation of Israel was originally conceived as a provocation of the Middle East. What they sought, they got it.

      Well no. Everything was exactly the opposite. Since 78 A.D. Rome, Arabs, Turks, in the words of Lermontov: "Everyone has been there." But they did not create their own state. They just turned the territory into a barren and lifeless desert. On which, apart from Jews, no one lived. Mark Twain, who visited Palestine in the 19th century, wrote in his notes "Simpletons Abroad":

      You can drive dozens of miles and not meet a single person on this scorched earth scorched by the sun. And even cacti are true friends, and they left her.

      The slogan of Zionism of those times: "A land without a people, a people without a land." And since no one needed this desert without minerals for a hundred years, after the defeat of Turkey in the First World War, it was handed over to the Jews. Including the Golan, all of present-day Jordan, plus part of the SA desert. Yes, the Arabs never created their own state on this territory, it was allowed to be created by the UN, and even did not receive a name. They all piled up on Israel, got them in the face, chopped off (Egypt and Jordan) the territory of an uncreated Arab state and hid until 1956 - the next stage of the planned receipt of another shameful defeat. From one small but very proud country. And there it went, according to plan and without a plan ... 1967,1973,1982 .... Until they finally realized that a bad peace is better than a good war and made peace with Israel. Today in the Arab world Israel has no enemies either. In Syria and Lebanon - Iran is in charge. Well, it won't be long.
  5. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2020 15: 53
    +4
    They could, so they would have shot down. They wanted to, so they would have shot down. But when they do not want to and cannot, then naturally they will not be shot down. And you can still think of a lot of reasons. As the saying goes: "Whoever wants will always find an opportunity, and whoever does not want (and / or cannot) will always find a reason." The topic is not new. And the reasons why Israeli combat aircraft are not shot down are given in a large assortment: from "Russia is not in Syria for this purpose" to "we have grenades of the wrong system."
    An interesting point. Depending on the likes and dislikes of the Jews and the Jewish state, the reasons for the impotence of air defense assets of the Assad regime are also different. For example, I, for obvious reasons, drowning for, I believe that there are several reasons.
    1. Do not fight the S-300 with the legendary Jewish aircraft.
    2. The Russian Federation is not interested in strengthening Iran in areas left over from Syria. And aggravate relations with the Jewish state.
    3. The Russian Federation has enough of its own worries even without BV, and its funds are quite limited, due to expenses on the Crimea, sanctions, the Donbass, falling energy prices, which in good times accounted for 60% of the entire budget revenues.
    4. Israel is an influential player in the world; the Russian Federation has excellent relations with it, including economic ones. Well, why does Russia need this hemorrhoids? To please 69P and Co., to formidable couch troops to cheer up?
    5. Iran is now a non-shaking state. And Russia benefits from it - zero, the harm in aggravating relations with Israel is much greater. Moreover, Israel is always ready to discuss and negotiate everything. So the pride of Moscow never hurts. Everyone is happy with everything. בקיצור דיבור
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 15 May 2020 17: 53
      -1
      They want to, but who will allow them! (With laughing ) Today we have to reckon with Israel, tea, not the 60s of the last century. And all the primitive mantras that this, they say, are not profitable for Russians - just an excuse for Putin's electorate, eager to feel like the coolest peppers in the garden. I believe that the basis of the loyal behavior of the Russian Federation towards Israel is its real military capabilities, which the Russian leadership is aware of, in contrast to ordinary Russians. We know how the Russian Federation violates all written and unwritten norms of international law, if it is not afraid of an early and decisive answer - there are enough examples. Well, this is not the case, and the technological advantage of the Israelis is evident, and it is growing every day. So the current owners of the Kremlin are forced to bite the Israelites that they hate, even though their true attitude still erupts - we recall the frenzied evil company in connection with the death of the Russian IL-20 from Syrian air defense fire.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 03: 18
      +2
      ... Iran is now a non-shaking state ..

      Not true. This America with your Israel does not allow anyone to establish ties with Iran. And Europeans have never had and have no problems with Iran.

      ... So the pride of Moscow never hurts ..

      Also not true. Due to the Israeli vile setup, a Russian plane was shot down.

      ... funds are quite limited, due to costs of the Crimea, sanctions, Donbass ..

      Crap ukrotrollnaya) Costs in the Crimea? Do not confuse expenses with investments? Crimea is a real Klondike!
      Sanctions? They, in addition to harm, brought much benefit to Russia.
      Donbass? This is the choice of the Ukrainian people, who did not accept the new government, which came to power through a coup.

      ... Russia is not interested in strengthening Iran.

      How do you know the interests of Russia? Russia is still interested in a strong Iran. A strong Iran is a sovereign state, without any American bases on its territory.

      ... Do not fight the S-300 with the legendary Jewish aircraft ..

      Making such pompous statements is generally stupid. What do you say when they suddenly start? Yes, even successfully? Legend is not afraid to lose?
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 16 May 2020 17: 14
        -6
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        ... Do not fight the S-300 with the legendary Jewish aircraft ..

        Making such pompous statements is generally stupid. What do you say when they suddenly start? Yes, even successfully? Legend is not afraid to lose?

        I am sorry for the Russian S-300 in this case ...
        1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 18: 22
          +1
          I am sorry for the Russian S-300 in this case ...

          Oh, leave you your worthless pity to yourself, but now I’m crying))
          Remember, everything in life once happens for the first time. And the case with the S-300 is no exception. And by the way. Somehow, you frivolously evaluate the S-300 system.)
          And why not the S-400? This is basically the same system.
          S-400 (Triumph) was originally called S-300PM3. Are you sure that we are not talking about the systems delivered to the Syrians?
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 16 May 2020 19: 55
            -5
            Mil-man, I completely agree with you: Russian systems - S-300, S-400 and all subsequent ones are really the same completely useless iron. And I sincerely regret their calculations, which will inevitably be destroyed in the event of an attack on Israeli aircraft. Moreover, mind you - if this happens, it will not be the first time ...
            1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 21: 44
              +3
              If Syrians are used, maybe. But you are already sweeping Russia, as it were, with its echeloned air defense system. The arsenal of Russian air defense units includes modern radar stations, anti-aircraft missile systems, automated control systems and modern fighters. As well as well-functioning electronic warfare systems. In addition, Russia, in the case, is able to quickly organize support both by land and by air and from the sea. In the event of a direct military conflict, all this will be applied without hesitation. Your small country will simply be flattened out in a matter of minutes / hours along with your “domes”, aviation and other things. Your overseas ally will not help you. Not in time, does not want, or something like that. Therefore, stay even mentally in a real field. Naturally, the Syrian army does not have all this. There I easily give you the right to your allegations.
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 16 May 2020 21: 57
                -3
                Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                Your small country will simply be flattened out in a matter of minutes / hours along with your “domes”, aviation and other

                The Russians could not even crush a miserable bunch of Chechen shepherds - they pay tribute, but you are talking about the victory over Israel.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 22: 26
                  +2
                  ... Russians could not even flatten a miserable bunch of Chechen shepherds ..

                  But a couple of minutes ago it seemed to me that you were smarter. Sorry.
                  First, Russia fought not with the Chechen people, but with Islamic bandits. In addition to the Chechen fighters, there were your beloved Arabs and Afghans, and who were not there. And all this happened on the territory of Russia. And all these factors ruled out a full-scale war. Well, do not cover their cities with civilians with carpet bombing?
                  But the militants didn’t particularly bind their hands to this. And even use their own people as a human shield did not disdain. Therefore, Russia had to act very carefully when conducting this anti-terrorist operation.
                  In the event of a conflict with any other state, all these "tendernesses" will not take place. Flatter will be all available means. And you too, if necessary. You can not even doubt it.
                  And secondly - I want to say this especially: God forbid, your soldiers and soldiers, and God forbid - you personally (!) Meet in battle with the "Chechen shepherds." These "shepherds" do not need a little something to hide behind the backs of other people's planes, or "overseas friends." Unlike you, these are real Warriors (with a capital letter).
                  1. Binder Offline Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 17 May 2020 04: 57
                    -4
                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    ... do not cover their cities with civilians with carpet bombing?

                    Well, of course, Grozny with thousands of its civilians was bombed, probably by the Americans ... bully

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    These “shepherds” don’t need to hide behind other people's planes or “overseas friends”. Unlike you, these are real Warriors (with a capital letter).

                    I also thought you were smarter - a lie about a Russian plane put under attack by the Israelis can inspire confidence only among the most narrow-minded consumers of Kremlin propaganda. As for the military qualities of the Chechens, for you in Russia they are "Warriors (with a capital letter)", but for us in Israel they are just another kind of Islamic terrorists - we are destroying such packets.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 11: 43
                      +2
                      ... Well, of course, Grozny with thousands of its civilians was bombed, probably by the Americans ...

                      Yes, in the first Chechen Yeltsin made many mistakes. Like many others, however. Russia had to pay dearly for these mistakes. And still pays. This is no one denies. Well, by the way, at that time it was difficult to clearly determine the status of Chechnya (as in today's Donbass). They fought for their own state (Ichkeria). Then the time was like that - a big redistribution.

                      ... a lie about a Russian plane put under attack by the Israelis ..

                      And what is the lie there?)

                      ... and for us in Israel, just another kind of Islamic terrorists ..

                      That is, any Chechen, or in general - a Muslim terrorist for you?

                      ... we destroy such packs ..

                      Yeah. Israel provided support with medicines, bombs, communications systems, etc. ISIS militants in Syria and Iraq. So you destroy them?)
                      1. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 17 May 2020 15: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Yes, in the first Chechen Yeltsin made many mistakes. Like many others, however. Russia had to pay dearly for these mistakes. And still pays.

                        About that and speech ...

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        And what is the lie there?)

                        The lie there is completely primitive - at the time of the launch of the rocket, Israeli aircraft were at a distance of about 200 km from the Russian IL-20.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        That is, any Chechen, or in general - a Muslim terrorist for you?

                        The technique that you use in an argument is called "female logic" in psychology. laughing

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Yeah. Israel provided support with medicines, bombs, communications systems, etc. ISIS militants in Syria and Iraq.

                        This is complete nonsense. Israeli doctors provided honey. assistance to the wounded Syrians, mainly women and children.
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 15: 45
                        +3
                        Well, apparently, each has its own lie and truth. You are operating with some kind of data known only to you, but I am using the fact that it is freely available on the Internet. On the same day, all the world media wrote about the setup of a Russian airplane by the Israelis. The contexts were different, but the essence is the same. Therefore, your stories about 200 km (and which way, by the way?)), Etc., are somehow not heard seriously.

                        ... The technique that you use in an argument is called "female logic" in psychology ..

                        And if I suddenly turned out to be a woman, would I need to tell you that Jews also discriminate against women? True, until recently I was of a higher opinion about you.
                      3. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 17 May 2020 18: 25
                        -4
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        On the same day, all world media wrote about the setup of a Russian airplane by the Israelis.

                        They wrote only about the curvature of the Syrian operators, the guilt of the Israelis was not mentioned anywhere at all, this is an exclusive creative of the Russian Defense Ministry. The Israeli delegation, led by Air Force commander Amikam Norkin, who arrived in Moscow in the wake of the incident, provided the Russian side with exhaustive information accurate to the second, confirmed by independent observers, but the Russian military ignored objective data. And this report clearly shows the fact that at the time when the Russian Il-200 was shot down in the sky over Syria with a S-20 missile system, all Israeli F-16s were already 200 km south in the Haifa Bay region. It is a fact!
                        As for the definition of "female logic", this is quite a scientific term from the Soviet initial course in psychology for university students.
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 20: 57
                        0
                        .. They wrote only about the curvature of the Syrian operators, the guilt of the Israelis was not mentioned anywhere at all, this is an exclusive creative of the Russian Ministry of Defense ..

                        Stop wagging the gag. You do not read or watch European media. What is this idle talk about? Here is just one of many examples of those days:

                        https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nzz.ch/amp/international/eine-israelische-provokation-ld.1421096

                        The Swiss, of course, do not directly blame the Jews. To indict is not the goal of journalism, but an objective statement of facts leads. And nothing there about you invented 200 km is not worth it.
                      5. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 17 May 2020 21: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        You do not read or watch European media.

                        I do not really look at such dubious sources. negative
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                      7. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 22: 26
                        0
                        ... I don’t really look at such dubious sources ..

                        Strange, but it seemed to me that the independent and neutral Swiss edition of Neue Zürcher Zeitung is not a dubious source for intelligent people.
  • Rashid116 Offline Rashid116
    Rashid116 (Rashid) 21 May 2020 11: 44
    0
    Jews always take to Pontus, those who are weaker are being taken. I have them back in the 90s, when they divided the asphalt, I bought it)))
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  • Diver d Offline Diver d
    Diver d (Oleg) 15 May 2020 17: 48
    0
    Israel is well versed in the situation that is happening. I studied all the weaknesses and strengths of opponents, which are concentrated around. Able to cause irreparable damage to anyone who dreams about it.
    There will be no problems with logistics. Civil aviation in the sky to a minimum. Golan for aviation span closed. The day before yesterday, the exercises in the north were just completed, accompanied by powerful explosions that they heard even near Haifa. The government has already been formed and there will be no problems on this side. The dollar has fallen to almost pre-viral values.
    Israel successfully emerged from quarantine, with twenty to twenty-five new infections and a mortality rate of one to three people per day (in terms of the population of Russia, you need to multiply by 15,65 to get an idea of ​​the ratio). The Israelis perceived the virus as a defeat, and victory will not hurt. The motivation to "pile on" the enemy is very high. And of course, there is something to answer, technology allows you to do what many cannot do.
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 15 May 2020 17: 56
      -2
      It is good to be young, strong, rich and healthy. This is Israel today. It is bad to be old, poor, weak and sick. Today they are the grumbling enemies of Israel. In the same EU, which France and Spain are trying to stir up against Israel, there are not even close votes for this. And the coalition turned out to be quite good: instead of the unpredictable Lieberman, he was a completely tolerant Ganz. So, having given a couch battle to couch anti-Semites, with a clear conscience, I’ll go for a walk along Shabbat Netanya. ) שבת שלום
      1. Dear sofa expert. 18 May 2020 00: 32
        0
        ... It is good to be young, strong, rich and healthy ..

        All this is not bad, and even good.
        Just decide already) Israel is young or is it "several thousand biblical years"?))
        Strong - yes. In its weight category - no doubt.
        Rich - the average Muscovite earns no worse than the average Israeli. Only with a difference - the population of Moscow is 2 times larger than your country).
        Healthy - well, here is your victory. The medicine of Israel is famous.
        PS I, too, hopefully be cured).
  • minby Offline minby
    minby 15 May 2020 23: 29
    +3
    All this Israel is unpleasant .. And probably, Israel will soon jump. And then all the Jews around the world will conquer.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 15 May 2020 23: 59
      +1
      minby, for some reason they created this country, they did not spare money for it ... The country is national, Jewish. This is recorded in their law, adopted on July 19, 2018.

      The Jews themselves think that they were presented with the promised land, but at first a brigade with combat experience in the Second World War was created.

      This country is not made for the world. Why they created it, only those who today finance them know.

      How Israeli Jews were educated and taught, we see every day on the site.
    2. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 21: 54
      +1
      ... All this Israel is unpleasant ..

      - But it’s unpleasant just because of people like this “tramp”. I do not think that real Israelis are delighted with such "initiatives."
    3. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 17 May 2020 00: 27
      -6
      So far, you are howling plaintively. And you will howl further.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 15: 08
        +1
        Sorry, I accidentally set you 3 minuses right away)
        1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
          Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 17 May 2020 18: 02
          -4
          Well, it's only the students who are worried about the pros and cons.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 16 May 2020 16: 13
    +5
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    It seems that technically this task is very difficult for the Russian air defense systems. I remember in 2015, when the Russian Federation only introduced its forces and settled in the former. Syria, the Israeli media actively discussed the presence of such a new factor as modern Russian air defense systems near Israeli territory and their possible impact on the IDF’s air forces. Polit. observers spoke out diplomatically, they say, the Russians are not our enemies and there is no reason to be afraid of them, and one retired pilot in an interview with Reshet Beth openly said - figs that the Russians will succeed even if they try hard. Something like this...

    Somehow not so.
    Israel was created on the initiative of the USSR. For what? Miss, strategic miscalculation? Not at all. Without Israel, how to influence Egypt, Palestine, and other neighbors? How to provide military assistance and deploy weapons in those areas of their advisers?
    Destroy Israel? With Adolph sorted out, really this bug could not? We need Israel there now.
    They do not bomb us. Iranian fighters. On the territory of Syria. And we did not commit ourselves to protect against all. Our goal is ISIS. And while Iranian terrorists are helping in the fight against them. We don’t need to get into other people's graters.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 16 May 2020 17: 28
      -4
      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      Israel was created on the initiative of the USSR.

      Israel was created on the initiative of the Zionists as a result of many years of struggle by the Jewish people for the revival of the ancient country of their ancestors.

      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      With Adolph sorted out, really this bug could not?

      It turns out that they could not - they poured a lot of money into the "progressive" Arab regimes, armed the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis and other barmaley to the teeth, trained their officers in Soviet military schools, sent thousands of "instructors" to the region, even went to the direct participation of Soviet servicemen in battles, but the results were still disastrous.

      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      They do not bomb us. Iranian fighters

      This is true! And they will not bomb, if you do not force. hi
  • Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
    Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2020 18: 21
    -2
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    ..Not S-300 with the legendary Jewish aircraft to fight ..

    Making such pompous statements is generally stupid. What do you say when they suddenly start? Yes, even successfully? Legend is not afraid to lose?

    I am sorry for the Russian S-300 in this case ...

    Yes, they will not climb. Remember Hasek: "What is an elephant, trembling for your trunk? And what will you do when heavy artillery speaks?"
    1. Dear sofa expert. 16 May 2020 22: 02
      0
      ... What an elephant, trembling for your trunk ..

      I don’t know any Hasek. I remember Krylov's fable:

      ... Take a break, to meet the pug to them.
      Seeing the Elephant, well, to him to rush,
      And bark, and scream, and tear,
      Well, and climbs into a fight with him.
      "Neighbor, stop being ashamed, -
      She mongrel says - do you want to mess with Elephant?
      Look, you wheeze, and he’s coming to himself ..


      Here you are now all remind this pug.
      1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 17 May 2020 06: 06
        -3
        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        ... What an elephant, trembling for your trunk ..

        I don’t know any Hasek. I remember Krylov's fable:

        ... Take a break, to meet the pug to them.
        Seeing the Elephant, well, to him to rush,
        And bark, and scream, and tear,
        Well, and climbs into a fight with him.
        "Neighbor, stop being ashamed, -
        She mongrel says - do you want to mess with Elephant?
        Look, you wheeze, and he’s coming to himself ..


        Here you are now all remind this pug.

        I should clarify. Who is "Everyone here now"? Who is the "pug"? Israel? Oh well. A country with a GDP many times larger than that of the Russian Federation? An economically recognized giant. The world leader in the field of agriculture ("Jew - collective farmer" is a favorite anecdote of Russian anti-Semites) and new technologies. A country to which illegal immigrants from various countries, including the former Soviet republics of the former USSR, rush in a stormy stream. Yes, even if you take yours and others like you "argumentation" about Israel as the world Zionist center of the conspiracy - Israel is clearly not a pug. If you personally compare me with Russia, I am flattered. I have a somewhat more modest opinion of myself. For some reason, you have linked me to Ukraine several times. I have not said a single word about her, in any post, and will not say. For two reasons.
        1. This is your inside Slavic showdown. And the Jews, Israel is not concerned.
        2. I am a citizen of Israel, a Jew. Therefore, everything related to the issues of Zionism, Israel and the Jews is interesting to me. Even in a sofa format.
        1. General Black Offline General Black
          General Black (Gennady) 17 May 2020 10: 40
          +2
          Well, not only the "collective farmer". We also have a Jew - a reindeer breeder.
        2. Dear sofa expert. 17 May 2020 11: 17
          +1
          ... For some reason, you have tied me to Ukraine for some reason ..

          In your profile is a "citizen of Ukraine." Maybe that's why?)
          1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 17 May 2020 13: 34
            -2
            Quote: Dear couch expert.
            ... For some reason, you have tied me to Ukraine for some reason ..

            In your profile is a "citizen of Ukraine." Maybe that's why?)

            I have one word written on the fence. And there are firewood.
      2. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
        Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 17 May 2020 18: 04
        -4
        In 1973, the "elephant" was seriously disgraced.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 16 May 2020 18: 33
    +2
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: aleksandrmakedo
    Israel was created on the initiative of the USSR.

    Israel was created on the initiative of the Zionists as a result of many years of struggle by the Jewish people for the revival of the ancient country of their ancestors.

    Quote: aleksandrmakedo
    With Adolph sorted out, really this bug could not?

    It turns out that they could not - they poured a lot of money into the "progressive" Arab regimes, armed the Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis and other barmaley to the teeth, trained their officers in Soviet military schools, sent thousands of "instructors" to the region, even went to the direct participation of Soviet servicemen in battles, but the results were still disastrous.

    Quote: aleksandrmakedo
    They do not bomb us. Iranian fighters

    This is true! And they will not bomb, if you do not force. hi

    The United Nations, created shortly before, at the Second Session of its General Assembly on November 29 of November 1947, adopted the partition plan of Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181).

    The role of superpowers

    The adoption of this plan was made possible thanks to its support from the largest powers - the USSR and the USA. The Soviet Union, trying to strengthen its position in the Middle East, sought, first of all, to undermine the position of Great Britain. The support of the UN plan by the USSR was a big surprise for both Jews and Arabs. In particular, the Soviet representative A. A. Gromyko, at a plenary meeting on November 26, strongly advocated "the option of dividing Palestine into two independent democratic states - Arab and Jewish"

    Before that, for hundreds of years, your Zionists have fought like fish on ice, but they don’t have a damn .....

    Let's start with the Alhambraq decree of 1492.
    I skip all the husk, then a more or less significant event - the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
    Next:

    Based on the decisions of the conference in San Remo, the League of Nations in 1922 awarded the United Kingdom a mandate for Palestine.

    So far, about Israel-not gu-gu.
    Next:

    After the failure of the St. James Conference in February 1939, at which Britain tried to propose the idea of ​​creating a bi-national state west of the Jordan.

    Here are the beginnings of an idea.
    So, until the great powers intervened, would you be running errands everywhere. Like the previous 2000 years.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 16 May 2020 18: 50
    +3
    Quote: Rogue1812
    It is good to be young, strong, rich and healthy. This is Israel today. It is bad to be old, poor, weak and sick. Today they are the grumbling enemies of Israel. In the same EU, which France and Spain are trying to stir up against Israel, there are not even close votes for this. And the coalition turned out to be quite good: instead of the unpredictable Lieberman, he was a completely tolerant Ganz. So, having given a couch battle to couch anti-Semites, with a clear conscience, I’ll go for a walk along Shabbat Netanya. ) שבת שלום

    It is bad to be surrounded by an aggressive Arab population. A hundredfold superior in population and jihadic insanity. From something your fellow tribesmen in the world, the number of which is twice the Jewish population of Israel, are in no hurry to rush to the Promised Land. Probably because ahead. possibly a massacre. It is scary to wait for the main enemy of Israel to create an atomic bomb.
    These comrades will not muddy the waters - "we do not have, but if necessary, we will apply." They will say it specifically. It is terrible to depend on an overseas "partner" who gladly surrenders its NATO allies. When it smells burnt, the diaspora in "penguinia" will be silent. How the Japanese fellow citizens were silent during the Second World War. In the internment camps. A big fire burns the loot in the first place, putting forward completely different values.
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2020 21: 39
      -3
      alexandrmakedo, let's in order of your so emotional exercise. For two of your posts at once, with two hands, in Macedonian. Let's start with "The Master and Margarita", slightly paraphrasing. So, you say, there was not even an idea about the formation of Israel, in vain our Zionists worked in a Stakhanov way for a couple of hundred years .... But no. On the initiative of the Zionists, the "Jewish Legion" was created, which in the first world war liberated its homeland - Palestine from the Turks. And the British, on the initiative of the Zionists Chaim Weizmann and Ben Gurion, published in 1917 the so-called. "The Balfour Declaration", which specifically referred to the creation of "a national Jewish home in Palestine." They forgot to mention the Paris Treaty, where the whole of Jordan, Palestine, the Golan and part of the SA were included in the borders of the future Israel. In 1920, at a conference in San Remo, Israel's borders were not defined, well. Mandate for Palestine in 1922, the League of Nations handed it over to the formation of the Jewish state. It makes no sense to argue further. It makes sense to cite the text of the articles of the mandate about its goals. And then you are so confident, just like Alexandermakedo about no gu-gu say. Ale - UP and the ball in the basket:

      Article 2: ... create political, administrative and economic conditions that will ensure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, as set out in the preamble, and the development of self-government institutions.
      ... protect the civil and religious rights of the people of Palestine, regardless of race or religion.
      5 Article: ... no part of Palestinian territory may be ceded, leased or placed under the control of a foreign power.
      Article 6: .... to promote Jewish immigration and encourage the dense settlement of lands by Jews, including state lands and vacant lands that are not necessary for public needs, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sectors of the population are not violated.
      Article 7: ... facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who choose Palestine as their place of permanent residence.

      Political scientist Mitchell Bard notes that the mandate indicated “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine” and the validity of “reconstituting its national focus” on this territory. The word “Arab” is never mentioned in the text of the mandate.

      24 July 1922 year mandate was formally approved by the governments of 52 countries of the League of Nations.
    2. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 16 May 2020 22: 05
      -3
      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      Quote: Rogue1812
      It is good to be young, strong, rich and healthy. This is Israel today. It is bad to be old, poor, weak and sick. Today they are the grumbling enemies of Israel. In the same EU, which France and Spain are trying to stir up against Israel, there are not even close votes for this. And the coalition turned out to be quite good: instead of the unpredictable Lieberman, he was a completely tolerant Ganz. So, having given a couch battle to couch anti-Semites, with a clear conscience, I’ll go for a walk along Shabbat Netanya. ) שבת שלום

      It is bad to be surrounded by an aggressive Arab population. A hundredfold superior in population and jihadic insanity. From something your fellow tribesmen in the world, the number of which is twice the Jewish population of Israel, are in no hurry to rush to the Promised Land. Probably because there is probably a massacre ahead. It is scary to wait for the main enemy of Israel to create an atomic bomb.
      These comrades will not muddy the waters - "we do not have, but if necessary, we will apply." They will say it specifically. It is terrible to depend on an overseas "partner" who gladly surrenders its NATO allies. When it smells burnt, the diaspora in "penguinia" will be silent. How the Japanese fellow citizens were silent during the Second World War. In the internment camps. A big fire burns the loot in the first place, putting forward completely different values.

      The Arab population ("visual mass", if according to M. Bulgakov) is heterogeneous. And enthusiastically cuts each other for centuries. In addition, there are rich Arab countries and poor ones. And the latter, for obvious reasons, hate the former. As I. Ilf and E. Petrov wrote: “Take your eyes off, soldier,” well, I mean, look at the map. And answer the question, what prevents Egypt, which traditionally tries to destroy Saudi Arabia, from striking from the direction of Sharm al Sheikh. One tank throw and "Arab sheikhs sat down at the feet of the Pharaohs." And 50 kilometers of Israeli territory interfere. You need to drive through Eilat with passing tanks. Both Arabia and the OAU are praying for Israel. Here, during a pandemic, from an unnamed Arab country, Mossad agents walk 30 km across the desert on foot with a Pearl vaccine. Moreover, the route was described in the media, so accurately that every child aged three years and older knew that this was Saudi Arabia. With Egypt, the Jews wet ISIS together in the Sinai, Jordan sits quietly like a mouse under a broom. Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq are generally out of the game. The Sudanese President kneeled back to Kampala for a reception with Bibi, offering friendship and falafel. As if we don't have our own ... And who will invent the atomic bomb among the Arabs? Where is the money, Zin? Iraq really tried. With a very effective ending, as you remember. As for the rush / do not rush the Jews to Israel: Let's just say, rush. At the time of the restoration of Israel, the Jewish Yishuv numbered 450 thousand people. Today, there are almost 7.5 million Jews. 50% of all world Jewry lives in Israel. There are no Jews left in Eastern Europe and the Russian Federation. 5.5 million - states, the rest - England, Canada, France, Germany. Everything! Diaspora and Israel are one whole. Under any threat, Jews are taken to Israel. As it happened in Ethiopia, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, the USSR. Well, as for the change of helmsmen of this or that country, respectively, changes in policy are possible. De Gaulle has already done this, Obama tried. And where are they, and most importantly why? Here's something.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 16 May 2020 19: 03
    +4
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    ..Not S-300 with the legendary Jewish aircraft to fight ..

    Making such pompous statements is generally stupid. What do you say when they suddenly start? Yes, even successfully? Legend is not afraid to lose?

    I am sorry for the Russian S-300 in this case ...

    If in the head of the chaff .... Neither the Russian S-300, nor the Syrian will be touched. Since neither we nor the Syrians need to enter a party with Israel. Jews are fighting with the Iranians in Syrian territory. The Iranians came to fight ISIS, which is helping. Therefore, neither the owner nor the assistant drives them out. The Iranians were somewhat delayed, and Assad does not know how to ask the guests to leave. Thanks, he already said many times. Next, what is the scruff of the neck and the kicks? Not good. Let the Jews do it for him.
  • Xaxol yastreb Offline Xaxol yastreb
    Xaxol yastreb (Xaxol Yastreb) 16 May 2020 20: 41
    0
    The article is beautiful, but not about that. At the Sinai, they received several Soviet missiles and died out.
    1. Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
      Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 17 May 2020 18: 06
      -5
      Yes, they died out so much that they stopped 100 km from Cairo :)))
  • TANKISTONE Offline TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE (TANKISTON) 16 May 2020 22: 18
    +4
    The tale of the omnipotence of Mossad is the second Jewish tale after the Old Testament (there are no other Jewish tales, just jokes). The basis is Jewish squealing ... The assumption that Israel initiates a nuclear war against retaliatory aggression by their army and the liberation of the territories they occupy is intimidating. Iran is not allowed, China is not, India is not, Pakistan is not, Russia is not, the United States is not, but is it possible ??? Why? They enjoy the disunity of the Arab world, which Mossad supports. Herein lies the main merit of Mossad: bribery, flattery, deception - their history is such, you can’t rewrite it, you can’t redo it. The peoples who drove them out, experienced everything on themselves, but they did not understand science ...
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    2. Jacques Offline Jacques
      Jacques (jacques) 18 May 2020 23: 59
      -2
      Internet to help you: "List of operations" Mossad "".
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 16 May 2020 23: 07
    +5
    Quote: Rogue1812
    alexandrmakedo, let's in order of your so emotional exercise. For two of your posts at once, with two hands, in Macedonian. Let's start with "The Master and Margarita", slightly paraphrasing. So, you say, there was not even an idea about the formation of Israel, in vain our Zionists worked in a Stakhanov way for a couple of hundred years .... But no. On the initiative of the Zionists, the "Jewish Legion" was created, which in the first world war liberated its homeland - Palestine from the Turks. And the British, on the initiative of the Zionists Chaim Weizmann and Ben Gurion, published in 1917 the so-called. "The Balfour Declaration", which specifically referred to the creation of "a national Jewish home in Palestine." They forgot to mention the Paris Treaty, where the whole of Jordan, Palestine, the Golan and part of the SA were included in the borders of the future Israel. In 1920, at a conference in San Remo, Israel's borders were not defined, well. Mandate for Palestine in 1922, the League of Nations handed it over to the formation of the Jewish state. It makes no sense to argue further. It makes sense to cite the text of the articles of the mandate about its goals. And then you are so confident, just like Alexandermakedo about no gu-gu say. Ale - UP and the ball in the basket:

    Article 2: ... create political, administrative and economic conditions that will ensure the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, as set out in the preamble, and the development of self-government institutions.
    ... protect the civil and religious rights of the people of Palestine, regardless of race or religion.
    5 Article: ... no part of Palestinian territory may be ceded, leased or placed under the control of a foreign power.
    Article 6: .... to promote Jewish immigration and encourage the dense settlement of lands by Jews, including state lands and vacant lands that are not necessary for public needs, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sectors of the population are not violated.
    Article 7: ... facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who choose Palestine as their place of permanent residence.

    Political scientist Mitchell Bard notes that the mandate indicated “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine” and the validity of “reconstituting its national hearth” in this territory. The word “Arab” is never mentioned in the text of the mandate [5].

    24 July 1922 year mandate was formally approved by the governments of 52 countries of the League of Nations.

    Bureaucratic fuss, declarations, congresses, gatherings of shareholders ..
    There was no MAIN. UN Decisions. Which gave a direct path to all these mouse creeps.
    Jews of 2000 years crawled to education. But since they overslept without protection, or perished like the Spartans, thinking that the personal is higher than the state ...
    National foci .... Bullshit.
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 17 May 2020 00: 16
      -6
      Well, why are you, young man, so fundamentally illiterate? It was not when the decision of the League of Nations was fully recognized by its successor UN. All you have to argue, my dear, to dare, all your "learning" is eager to show. "It is clear: Macedonian. At least.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 16 May 2020 23: 12
    +5
    Quote: Rogue1812
    Quote: aleksandrmakedo
    Quote: Rogue1812
    It is good to be young, strong, rich and healthy. This is Israel today. It is bad to be old, poor, weak and sick. Today they are the grumbling enemies of Israel. In the same EU, which France and Spain are trying to stir up against Israel, there are not even close votes for this. And the coalition turned out to be quite good: instead of the unpredictable Lieberman, he was a completely tolerant Ganz. So, having given a couch battle to couch anti-Semites, with a clear conscience, I’ll go for a walk along Shabbat Netanya. ) שבת שלום

    It is bad to be surrounded by an aggressive Arab population. A hundredfold superior in population and jihadic insanity. For some reason, your fellow tribesmen in the world, the number of which is twice the Jewish population of Israel, are in no hurry to rush to the Promised Land. Probably because ahead. possibly a massacre. It is scary to wait for the main enemy of Israel to create an atomic bomb.
    These comrades will not muddy the waters - "we do not have, but if necessary, we will apply." They will say it specifically. It is terrible to depend on an overseas "partner" who gladly surrenders its NATO allies. When it smells burnt, the diaspora in "penguinia" will be silent. How the Japanese fellow citizens were silent during the Second World War. In the internment camps. A big fire burns the loot in the first place, putting forward completely different values.

    The Arab population ("visual mass", if according to M. Bulgakov) is heterogeneous. And enthusiastically cuts each other for centuries. In addition, there are rich Arab countries and poor ones. And the latter, for obvious reasons, hate the former. As I. Ilf and E. Petrov wrote: "You take your eyes off, little soldier," well, in the sense, look at the map. And answer the question, what prevents Egypt, which traditionally tries to destroy Saudi Arabia, from striking from the direction of Sharm al Sheikh. One tank throw and "Arab sheikhs sat down at the feet of the Pharaohs." And 50 kilometers of Israeli territory interfere. You need to drive through Eilat with passing tanks. Both Arabia and the OAU are praying for Israel. Here, during a pandemic, from an unnamed Arab country, Mossad agents walk 30 km across the desert on foot with a Pearl vaccine. Moreover, the route was described in the media so accurately that every child aged three years and older knew that this was Saudi Arabia. With Egypt, Jews are killing ISIS together in the Sinai, Jordan sits quietly like a mouse under a broom. Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq are generally out of the game. The Sudanese President kneeled back to Kampala for a reception with Bibi, offering friendship and falafel. As if we don't have our own ... And who will invent the atomic bomb among the Arabs? Where is the money, Zin? Iraq did try. With a very effective ending, as you remember. As for the hurry, the Jews are not in a hurry to Israel. Let's just say they are in a hurry. At the time of the restoration of Israel, the Jewish Yishuv numbered 450 thousand people. Today, there are almost 7.5 million Jews. 50% of all world Jewry lives in Israel. There are no Jews left in Eastern Europe and the Russian Federation. 5.5 million - states, the rest - England, Canada, France, Germany. Everything! Diaspora and Israel are one whole. Under any threat, Jews are taken to Israel. As it happened in Ethiopia, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, the USSR. Well, about changing the helmsmen of this or that country, respectively, changes in policy, perhaps. De Gaulle has already done this, Obama tried. And where are they, and most importantly - why? Here's something.

    Try to intervene in the massacre of several Arabs. They will instantly unite and kill you first. Then, rejoicing in the success, they may continue their action. But they will shout their "Allah Akbar" without fail.

    7,5 million. And about 12 million in the United States alone. And around the world a few more millions. Graphs showing the population as waves, have failures during the years of maximum hanging out of Jews with neighbors. A kind of mobile population who wants to avoid military service during the years of hard times. Nonsense skirmishes, in your opinion. So, two fingers, one left ..... I wanted to look at the failure in the chart, if something more serious happened than the seven-day war. That is, for 6-7 years. And not with the Bedouins on camels with flintlocks.
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 17 May 2020 00: 10
      -5
      Where did the 12 million Jews in the States come from? There is official data. 5.5 million. No, of course, if you count those who are Accountants, and especially those who are Calculators, then there will be even more. And if you also have a Bra, then we immediately multiply by 2. It seems that there are more Jews in the USA with your approach than the population of this country. But the war was still a six-day one. There is no need to play down our military prowess for one day. As Gd created the earth in six days, the people he had chosen demolished Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq in exactly six days. )
  • paramidon tabletkin (paramidon tabletkin) 16 May 2020 23: 17
    -2
    How can one stop what is not?
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 17 May 2020 00: 59
    +3
    Quote: Rogue1812
    Well, what about you. young man so fundamentally illiterate? It was not when the decision of the League of Nations was fully recognized by its successor UN. All you have to argue, my dear, to dare, all your "learning" is eager to show. "It is clear: Macedonian. At least.

    What country was this piece of paper about? Can you read? Come on, in syllables, or in letters. Recognize expedient, create and recognize a country by including it in the UN, establishing diplomatic relations. With WHOM did this happen?
    Wishful thinking is not my specialty. Maybe yours?
    1. Tramp1812 Offline Tramp1812
      Tramp1812 (Tramp 1812) 17 May 2020 05: 16
      -5
      Quote: aleksandrmakedo
      Quote: Rogue1812
      Well, why are you, young man, so fundamentally illiterate? It was not when the decision of the League of Nations was fully recognized by its successor UN. All you have to argue, my dear, to dare, all your "learning" is eager to show. "It is clear: Macedonian. At least.

      What country was this piece of paper about? Can you read? Come on, in syllables, or in letters. Recognize expedient, create and recognize a country by including it in the UN, establishing diplomatic relations. With WHOM did this happen?
      Wishful thinking is not my specialty. Maybe yours?

      Well, you are in such a style, communicate with 69P. You and him will 100% find a common position and common language. Tartey Mashma, as the ancient Aramaic idiom says.

      Once upon a time, an ethnic Russian, directly related to the Romanov dynasty, the mother-in-law of a Jew Igor Guberman, received an offer from an anti-Semitic figure to collaborate.
      - You have such a Russian face, we have only one ancestor.
      To which I received an answer:
      - Your ancestors, my dear, my ancestors at the stable sack.

      So, fire me. With people like you, I - a well-deserved participant in the global Jewish conspiracy, to speak somehow and not properly. They don’t understand that. With Zionist, anti-boorish greetings!
    2. Jacques Offline Jacques
      Jacques (jacques) 17 May 2020 09: 20
      -5
      The creation of the State of Israel is a political process that began with the emergence of the political Zionism movement in 1897 and ended after its independence was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, with victory in the War of Independence and admission to the UN by mid-1949.

      The creation of Israel was dictated by the centuries-old desire of the Jews to revive the national hearth in their historical homeland and the mass persecution, which urgently required a politically guaranteed refuge for the Jewish people.

      The main stages in the process of creating the state were the emergence of the Zionist movement, the Balfour declaration, the British mandate for Palestine, the UN plan to divide Palestine and the War of Independence.

      Well? After all, everything is written, signed, printed ... why are you tormented?
      Is Israel standing across your throat? Accept how your Soviet authorities reconciled.))
  • Natan bruk Offline Natan bruk
    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 17 May 2020 01: 14
    -7
    Marzhetsky, where did you get the idea that "if such a goal is set," Israeli planes will begin to fall "? Are you an air defense specialist? Or is it so to you, the same "analysts" as you yourself said on the TV box?
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  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 17 May 2020 14: 07
    +3
    Quote: Rogue1812
    Quote: aleksandrmakedo
    Quote: Rogue1812
    Well, why are you, young man, so fundamentally illiterate? It was not when the decision of the League of Nations was fully recognized by its successor UN. All you have to argue, my dear, to dare, all your "learning" is eager to show. "It is clear: Macedonian. At least.

    What country was this piece of paper about? Can you read? Come on, in syllables, or in letters. Recognize expedient, create and recognize a country by including it in the UN, establishing diplomatic relations. With WHOM did this happen?
    Wishful thinking is not my specialty. Maybe yours?

    Well, you are in such a style, communicate with 69P. You and him will 100% find a common position and common language. Tartey Mashma, as the ancient Aramaic idiom says. Once upon a time, an ethnic Russian who has a direct relationship with the Romanov dynasty, Jewish mother-in-law Igor Guberman received an offer from an anti-Semitic figure to collaborate.
    - You have such a Russian face, we have only one ancestor. To which he received an answer - your ancestors, my dear, my ancestors at the stable sank. So, fire me. With people like you, I - a well-deserved participant in the global Jewish conspiracy, to speak somehow and not properly. They don’t understand that. With Zionist, anti-boorish greetings!

    That's it. Secley, and determined the place of residence by the qualification of settled.
    In order not to be beaten, go dear away. This is the right decision.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 17 May 2020 14: 13
    +3
    Quote: Rogue1812
    Where did the 12 million Jews in the States come from? There is official data. 5.5 million. No, of course, if you count those who are Accountants, and especially those who are Calculators, then there will be even more. And if you also have a Bra, then we immediately multiply by 2. It seems that there are more Jews in the USA with your approach than the population of this country. But the war was still a six-day one. There is no need to play down our military prowess for one day. As Gd created the earth in six days, the people he had chosen demolished Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq in exactly six days. )

    If at the beginning of the 5th century the largest Jewish diaspora in the world (up to 5,5 million people) was within the Pale of Settlement of the Russian Empire, now it is located in the USA. The number of American Jews is estimated at 8,0-1,7 million people. (2,6% - XNUMX% of the population), which is comparable with the population of Israel. Determining the exact number is difficult due to identity problems among people of mixed origin and converted non-Jews.

    According to the Center for Contemporary Art, published on December 31, 2018, the total population of Israel (not including foreign workers and illegal immigrants) was 8 million 972 thousand people. Of them:

    6 million 668 thousand (74,0%) - Jews;
    1 million 878 thousand (20,9%) - Arabs (including Druze, Circassians);
    426 thousand (4,8%) - other national minorities (Aramaeans, Samaritans, Armenians, Copts, etc.), as well as residents who do not fall under the definition of Jewry by the State of Israel.

    Sweep the busts if in other countries, it turns out that there are more observers of parties with Arabs than participants.
    No matter how you pull a condom onto the globe.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 May 2020 01: 28
    +2
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    You don’t even have your own pin

    A pin (from German Stift) is a fastener in the form of a cylindrical or conical rod, designed for fixed connection. Did you mean the alphabet? lol wassat

    There is no doubt that Nazism was born in Israel. Before that, there were divinely born leaders. Pharaohs, military leaders, emperors. But the sons of Israel are God's whole chosen people. And how does this differ from Hitler’s superman idea? You be careful.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 May 2020 01: 36
    +2
    Quote: Natan Bruk
    Yes, they died out so much that they stopped 100 km from Cairo :)))

    If such a success, then what prevented us from going further?
    Blitzkrieg inspired by Adolf. And limited resources in everything. If you recruit women into soldiers, then this says a lot. Six days. Were there a couple of years .... The brave army would have scattered in all four directions. This experience is already there.
    1. Alexey Bobrikov Offline Alexey Bobrikov
      Alexey Bobrikov (Alexey Bobrikov) 18 May 2020 04: 01
      +4
      The invincible Israeli army stopped three times at the shout of the Soviet Union and the United States in 1956, 1967 and 1973.
      Victories over inept Arabs give them the illusion that they can defeat Russia or even the Soviet Union on the battlefield.
      I read about "Rimon-20", about the loss of 4-5 Soviet aircraft in this battle. I also read about the loss of 9-12 Israeli aircraft from the actions of Soviet air defense.
      That's just 5 aircraft for the USSR and, for example, the same for Israel.

      The Six Day War and the Doomsday War are a matter of national pride. Losses in both wars on both sides do not exceed losses in the Battle of Borodino at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Only in one case the enemy are liquid Arabs, in the other - soldiers of continental Europe.
      Militant Jewish patriots have the illusion that they can defeat Russia on the battlefield.
      Netanyahu, unlike them, is an intelligent person, and, without any illusions about the scale, regularly visits Putin on the Syrian issue.

      In general, the Jewish people, who have been enslaved so many times by many, from the Egyptians to the Nazis, would not hurt to abandon their arrogance and learn from the Russians to build their own state, to defend their national borders. Unlike the Jews who lost their country repeatedly, the Russians, even under the Mongols, did not completely lose their statehood.
  • michael Offline michael
    michael (michael) 18 May 2020 12: 03
    -2
    Yes, the author raised a storm in a glass ... And to those who talk about nobility in the style of Masha Zakharova, let me remind you: a long time ago, it seems, in 1981, Iraq mounted a nuclear reactor, in a suburb of Baghdad. Israel sharply disliked this and successfully bombed it. There were no smart bombs then, simple cast iron, like Russia now has. I had to nobly fly over the target. All returned to the base. During the raid, Soviet military advisers stared blankly at the backlit monitors, and the wife of the chief adviser was indignant that at home there was a continuous ripple on the TV screen for several minutes, which did not allow watching the series. The following year, in the Bekaa Valley, the Israeli Air Force defeated the most powerful air defense group in the world, with a dry score. The Soviet advisers were unable to do anything. Further, in 2019, Israeli F-35s flew over Iran, over Tehran and several other places where nuclear centers are believed to be located. A leak was organized, as a result Iran voiced "Fi" to Russia, accusing it of transferring the S-300 codes to Israel. Why transfer, if all the real brain developers of this ancient complex have long been in Israel and America? As for the 5th column, there are no Jews there, colonels / generals / officials of all levels of the most indigenous nationality, in the Chechen war they saw enough how it works.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 May 2020 14: 27
    +2
    Quote: michael
    Yes, the author raised a brown one in a glass ... And to those who are talking about nobility in the style of Masha Zakharova, let me remind you: a long time ago, it seems, in 1981, Iraq mounted a nuclear reactor, in the suburbs of Baghdad. Israel sharply disliked this and successfully bombed it. There were no smart bombs then, simple cast iron, like Russia now has. I had to nobly fly over the target. All returned to the base. During the raid, Soviet military advisers stared blankly at the backlit monitors, and the wife of the chief adviser was indignant that at home there was a continuous ripple on the TV screen for several minutes, which did not allow watching the series. The following year, in the Bekaa Valley, the Israeli Air Force defeated the most powerful air defense group in the world, with a dry score. The Soviet advisers were unable to do anything. Further, in 2019, Israeli F-35s flew over Iran, over Tehran and several other places where nuclear centers are believed to be located. A leak was organized, as a result Iran voiced "Fi" to Russia, accusing it of transferring the S-300 codes to Israel. Why transfer, if all the real brain developers of this ancient complex have long been in Israel and America? As for the 5th column, there are no Jews there, colonels / generals / officials of all levels of the most indigenous nationality, in the Chechen war they saw enough how it works.

    To bomb only because someone didn’t like something. Not bad. Don't you think that very many can dislike this approach? And then what to expect from such discontent? Continuation of the wanderings of the sons of Israel a couple of thousand years, like shit in the hole in the hole around the world? Vainly admire. Chicks in the fall ...
    1. Jacques Offline Jacques
      Jacques (jacques) 18 May 2020 23: 49
      -2
      The most important thing about the sofa is the place. If the place is not changed, such "deep" thoughts come ... like, all to dust)))
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 18 May 2020 16: 12
    +1
    Quote: magma
    I look, you consider yourself very smart, and, a former Soviet Jew? Your problem is that you could not integrate into the new Israeli society, the mentality is different. So you sit on our website, in every possible way bearing your real homeland, which in turn shows the level of your decency and mind. For example, an excerpt from your comment:

    history is an objective science

    - the winners write the story, it a priori cannot be objective.
    Well, from this expression I laughed for a long time:

    Israel was created on the initiative of the Zionists as a result of many years of struggle by the Jewish people for the revival of the ancient country of their ancestors.

    What is this mantra? You surely received education in the USSR?

    The vast majority of Jews who emigrate to Israel, having a good education, work, housing in the USSR, but who think that they are hindered in promotion, plunged into the environment when it is impossible to trap, organize communities that are closed to others, for EVERYTHING ARE JEWS. Blat and bribery does not work. All seats in offices and accountants are not enough. Doctors are forced to undergo lengthy retraining for instructions and the pharmacopeia of Israel, working as junior staff, having Soviet diplomas of doctors and positions of managers and even chief doctors. Musicians, artists are not quoted, there is a different culture and the needs of society. Engineers, machine builders do not know the standards, properties of materials for production, technology and equipment. All this needs to be learned from scratch.
    1. magma Offline magma
      magma (Tatyana) 19 May 2020 11: 58
      -1
      You are right, that’s right. It's nice to chat with a smart person.
      PS I read your comments with interest.
  • Alexey Bobrikov Offline Alexey Bobrikov
    Alexey Bobrikov (Alexey Bobrikov) 18 May 2020 19: 38
    +3
    In general, Putin’s position here is correct in that Russia is not headlong into Israeli-Arab-Turkish-Kurdish-Iranian-Alavite disassembly.
    Beat VKS and MTR of bearded obscurantists - wonderful. Now the Syrians have an amazing opportunity to rebuild a country that they have successfully destroyed for almost a decade. Although Russia, probably, helps a lot in recovery.
    Climbing Russia even deeper into all this shit is clearly not worth it.
    And it is good that Putin through negotiations often smooths out all these sharp corners.
    Yes, and Netanyahu often communicates with Putin, flies to Moscow. Unlike the Israeli jingoistic patriots from the United States, who threaten to defeat Russia at the forum, knowing that they personally will not have to take up arms, Bibi understands perfectly well who is here in the Batya area.
    The Turkish sultan also keeps in touch with Putin. But Turkey is probably not weaker than Israel (if we exclude nuclear weapons, which Israel, as you know, "does not" have).

    In truth, I don't always understand anti-Semites. How can you hate Zionism? After all, it is this ideology that is so successful in realizing the "Suitcase-Station" appeal.
    The state of Israel provides an amazing opportunity to look at Jewish bus drivers, Jewish laborers in the factories, Jewish floor cleaners (sometimes even with Soviet higher education diplomas), Jewish builders, Jewish street sweepers, Jewish soldiers, Jewish police officers, Jews - sales consultants, even Jewish prostitutes and prostitutes (if you want to search well, of course).
    Of course, there are also regular "scrubber-unrecognized geniuses" among them, suffering from complexes in relation to the country of origin. They often appear on the forums. Who is without sin? And among Russians, unfortunately, there are definitely no less unpleasant characters (here I, as a Russian, sincerely hate Russian goons of both sexes, who have seized some money or power, whose behavior betrays all the filth and abomination of this crowned grayness). So the next Jewish intellectual in this regard is a much more pleasant type.
    I think that it is foolish, irrational for a Russian to wish the destruction of Israel. I got this long-suffering (long-suffering due to external circumstances or their own stocks - it’s hard to say, I suppose that both of them are together) the people have their own piece of land - well, Jerusalem is not under Muslims - even better. You can, of course, suppress provocations, if any. And so, why should we fight in them, if they do not fight with us.

    As for all these conflicts in the Middle East, Russia did the right thing by destroying the obscurantist caliphate, preserving secular Syria, getting some kind of contracts for itself, helping to restore the country, the military gained experience. And in the showdown between Arabs, Jews, Kurds, Iranians, Turks, Alawites and so on. it is not worth getting into your head. Let them "love" each other as they want, so long as it does not come to the use of nuclear weapons.
    There are enough problems already.
  • Wanderer039 Offline Wanderer039
    Wanderer039 18 May 2020 20: 46
    +4
    Everything is relative. Arabs and Persians are less sensitive to losses than Jews. The Iranians were able to throw even Americans out of their country, with a shah who was gearing for them, and did not save them before attacking Iran, by taming the United States, Iraq ... The IRGC is a real force, well trained, with military experience and ready to sacrifice itself more than the most reckless soldier from the IDF ... Russia, in a pinch, will survive 10 nuclear strikes on its territory, this is sensitive for her, but not fatal. Israel, if it continues to become impudent, will be destroyed, and in the event of a nuclear strike by Israel against Iran, or the Russian Federation, I do not envy Jews living there, because even Satan will not save them from popular wrath ... they will simply be cut out and no lobby will help them !
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 00: 34
    +2
    Quote: jacques
    The most important thing about the sofa is the place. If the place is not changed, such "deep" thoughts come ... like, all to dust)))

    It's me that you are delighted with the bombing of an independent state. Just because I wanted to. You opened the Pandora's box. The clock is on. I think you can’t hide under a sofa.
    1. Alexey Bobrikov Offline Alexey Bobrikov
      Alexey Bobrikov (Alexey Bobrikov) 19 May 2020 04: 17
      +1
      I think the leadership of Israel would hardly have decided on this. Perhaps they will apply it if it comes to the destruction of their country, or if a nuclear attack by Israel follows (which, due to the size of the territory, is equivalent to the threat of the destruction of their country).
      But Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and even the United States would have done that.
      Iran, most likely, is already, if not close to creating its own nuclear weapons, then at least a dirty bomb can already be used if something happens.
      Iran had eggs, they responded to the killing of Suleimani, and the States had to swallow it.
      I think Iran has already ensured its security, and in the future it will be even more difficult to attack Iran.

      Despite calls to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth," Iran is unlikely to be the first to launch a nuclear bombardment (unless Iran's statehood is under threat or an atomic bomb is dropped on Iran).
      Any use of nuclear weapons without a compelling reason (and it is indicated above) is such a "crap" that the leadership of any nuclear power (no matter how "frostbitten" it may be) will think a thousand times before doing so.
      I suppose that the bellicose commentators from Israel, rattling at the forum with nuclear weapons, will carefully conceal their Jewish origins all over the world (even while in the United States), if, God forbid, Israel uses it "out of bounds."
    2. Jacques Offline Jacques
      Jacques (jacques) 19 May 2020 13: 22
      -5
      Bobrikov, you, a wanderer, and a couple of Stalinists ... I will tell you what is shaking for you; you cannot come to terms with today's Israel. He, as it were, challenges you by his very existence.
      In 1949, 500 + - thousand turned into 9 million, and what’s the most offensive - Live and Thrive.
      You can all write what you want ... reality remains reality)))
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 19 May 2020 14: 21
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        Quote: jacques
        Bobrikov, you, a wanderer and a couple of Stalinists ... I will tell you what you are reaping; you cannot come to terms with today's Israel

        Jacques, It’s in your interests that we forget about the Israeli mosquito, which buzzes and bites.
        Does your flock that buzzes on the site don't understand this?
        1. Jacques Offline Jacques
          Jacques (jacques) 19 May 2020 20: 53
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          Quote: isofat
          Quote: jacques
          Bobrikov, you, a wanderer and a couple of Stalinists ... I will tell you what you are reaping; you cannot come to terms with today's Israel

          Jacques, It’s in your interests that we forget about the Israeli mosquito, which buzzes and bites.
          Does your flock that buzzes on the site don't understand this?

          I have a feeling that you do not really love me ...
          I have a feeling that I will survive your dislike.
          Look at Krylov's fable about a lion and a mosquito ...)))
      2. Alexey Bobrikov Offline Alexey Bobrikov
        Alexey Bobrikov (Alexey Bobrikov) 19 May 2020 17: 14
        +3
        You are mistaken, I even went there a couple of times. I liked it both times. And yet, it seems to me that Tel Aviv and Haifa look pale against the backdrop of Moscow and St. Petersburg. Moreover, they are not particularly impressive even against the backdrop of Russian cities with a population of 500 thousand or more. On average, of course, better than in the provinces (in large cities), but not so much as to directly fall from envy, no matter how you I wanted to. A lot has been built in Russia since the 90s, and the country has changed for the better.
        However, the promenade and beaches of Tel Aviv, the skyscrapers of Ramat Gan, Saron, Herzliya and Jaffa are good. According to Haifa, I would not want to mention trite the Baha'i temple. Personally, I really hope that someday all issues with abandoned dilapidated Arab houses on the Haifa embankment will be resolved, and it will be equipped. In Jerusalem, history was more interested, to be honest, he is an amateur (I'm talking about a stone).
        The standard of living, of course, is higher than the average Russian, but not so critically higher as to become the subject of dreams and envy of every Russian.
        And the level of culture of young Israelis would also not say that it is very high. Israelis have already grown up with immigrants from the USSR on this land. I do not think that their cultural level is directly higher than the national average, but the Israelis are cool, kind, positive, and do not suffer from complexes in relation to the country of origin.
        I was more interested in history and the sea.
        In general, I will say this, prosper as you want. Personally, I do not mind.
        1. Jacques Offline Jacques
          Jacques (jacques) 19 May 2020 20: 44
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          Bobrikov, there was a typo. Excuse me.
      3. magma Offline magma
        magma (Tatyana) 20 May 2020 10: 46
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        Quote: jacques
        ... I will tell you what is shaking you; you cannot come to terms with today's Israel. He, as it were, challenges you by his very existence.

        I remember the series about Old Man Makhno ...
        Dialogue of Makhno and the old Jew:

        Makhno: Smart people, Jews
        Jew: Those who said this do not know that every second Jew du.rak ...
        1. Jacques Offline Jacques
          Jacques (jacques) 23 May 2020 18: 46
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          I did not see this series, so I did not understand what the conversation was about.
          If about the fact that among the Jews there are stupid, then all peoples are stupid.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 15: 18
    +1
    Quote: jacques
    Bobrikov, you, a wanderer and a couple of Stalinists ... I will tell you what you are reaping; you cannot come to terms with today's Israel. He, as it were, challenges you by his very existence.
    In 1949, 500 + -thousands turned into 9 million, and the most annoying thing is that they Live and Prosper.
    You can all write what you want ... reality remains reality)))

    The reality is that you "flourish" there only because Russia needs you. It will be a complete mess without you. And it will be very difficult to influence your neighbors. You are like a decoy that consolidates your enemies and distracts from civil strife. Live and be the unconditional purpose for all of them.
    1. Jacques Offline Jacques
      Jacques (jacques) 19 May 2020 20: 48
      -3
      Answer you, your hands do not rise.
  • aleksandrmakedo Offline aleksandrmakedo
    aleksandrmakedo (Dubovitsky Victor Kuzmich) 19 May 2020 22: 02
    +1
    Quote: jacques
    Answer you, your hands do not rise.

    I do not ask, do not answer. Face the truth.
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