How Ukraine prevented the Russian Be-200 from conquering the world market


Judging by all indications, the summer will be hot and dry. This means that the problem of forest fires will again rise to its full potential. Last month, the total area of ​​the taiga, engulfed in flames, was several times higher than in 2019. Objectively, we note that not only Russia is on fire. So, last winter, when the “antipodes” in the other hemisphere are summers, Australia and Brazil were blazing.


This is a common misfortune, but its solution opens up some opportunities that our country should not miss.

Demand for amphibious aircraft adapted to extinguish forest fires is growing worldwide. At the moment, out of competition in their characteristics are the Russian Be-200 Altair. What can I say, they are happy to buy them even in the USA. After the terrible California fires in 2018, the American company Seaplane Global Air Services signed a contract for the purchase of 10 domestic amphibious aircraft.

The export potential of the Be-200 Altair is huge today. 10 years ago, he received a certificate from the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), which opened him access to foreign markets. In its fire-fighting modification, the seaplane is capable of collecting 15 tons of water in 12 seconds, which a team of two pilots can dump simultaneously or in parts. During the time elapsed before the next refueling, the Be-200, under optimal conditions, is able to pour up to 240 tons of water to the ignition site in total. Not a single foreign competitor even stands close to Altair.

In addition, an amphibious aircraft has good potential as a passenger aircraft in a number of Asian countries replete with archipelagos. Depending on the modification, he can take on board from 42 to 72 people. In other words, we have the most worthy brainchild of the Soviet design school. But, despite this, the Be-200, the cat wept. Why did this happen?

At first, experts point out the fallacy of the decision to transfer the seaplane production from Taganrog to Irkutsk. Cadres decide everything, and a serious problem arose with this. Replaying a solution took up a lot of valuable time and resources.

Secondly, after the severance of production ties with Ukraine, a problem arose with power plants. Previously, D-436TP turbofan engines from the Motor Sich company were installed on seaplanes. After the option was considered using the Russian-French SaM146. But they didn’t work very well on Superjets. In addition, after the imposition of sanctions by the West, it was considered impractical to now depend on Paris. The Be-200 remotorization project on SaM146 was put on the shelves on the recommendation of the General Prosecutor's Office, which considered it a threat to disrupt the defense contract for the needs of the Russian Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Emergencies.

Now it is planned to install domestic PD-10 engines derived from PD-14 on Altair and other aircraft. The problem is that neither one nor the other power plant is put into production, and the developer does not name any specific dates. Sooner or later, of course, they will be mastered, but it should be recognized that the severance of production ties with Ukraine dealt a very serious blow to the Russian aircraft industry.
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  1. beeper Offline
    beeper 13 May 2020 14: 16
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    Anti-Russian Amerocholuism of the "Maidan Authorities"оI struck the biggest blow throughout the Ukrainian industry and in aircraft engine building in particular!
    Our Motor Sich will die without Russia, alas!
    It is clear that these "Svidomo" klepto "w / Bandera" do not care at all about unemployment and the impoverishment of millions of Ukrainian workers, they only need to follow the instructions of their Washington hucksters to do maximum harm to our Russian allies!
    It is unfortunate that such a beautiful aircraft as the Be-200 also became an involuntary victim of the fierce maliciousness of the Washington “partners” and their Kiev servants!
    I believe that Russian aircraft engine builders will be able to cope with this artificial obstacle on their own, although this will take up considerable additional time and resources!

    But we all, mutually beneficial, could at this time jointly produce and trade-capture new markets for our products and our development!
    But such is (“to strangle and not let go!”) The destructive essence of American imperialism and its Euro-vassals, especially from the “Euro-Maid” anti-popular “regimes”! request
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 May 2020 14: 40
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    And, as you know, a bad dancer ......... interfere.

    A bunch of Russian amphibians, ekranoplanes, ekranoplanes, helicopters, space rockets, engines, Superjets, Gazels, Lad, Kamaz and SU-57 almost captured the world market ...... but always something prevented them ....

    Could not do the engines (outdated, single-circuit) yourself - buy from China, Japan, France, India, Brazil, finally. Install what is.

    “Put under the cloth” means that it is not so necessary ...
    Departure is also worth the money. And forests in Siberia burn, as they wrote, safely and environmentally ....
    1. King3214 Offline
      King3214 (Sergius) 13 May 2020 14: 51
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      Do you want to say that in Russia, from the time of the USSR, the pro-Ukrainian lobby is not operating to the detriment of Russia?
      Where is our FSB looking? Or have they completely put a bolt on everything except the bearded Arabs?
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 May 2020 15: 04
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        1) Firstly, it acts. Putin also spoke at the height of the confrontation: trade with Ukraine is growing - "you have to rejoice."
        2) Secondly, it looks. But where do they need it, and not for you. Not the prosecutor’s office, according to the text of the article, to arrest?
        3) Thirdly, as M. said - “there is no money, but hold on,” so I hope that the amers will not have to pay the penalty.
        4) In 4. They wrote that China has already begun to produce its Be-200 analogue (and there is also a minimum of Canadians and Japanese). So the profitable place will not be empty for a long time .....
        5) In the 5th - I wonder how our MO gets out, it also wanted to order ....
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 13 May 2020 15: 46
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          When the irreplaceable Rogozin, A. Serdyukov and others like them head the industry, apart from their loud statements, there will be nothing more, but in fact failure after failure. As the classic said, - cadres decide everything, - what cadres are today for the leaders, such victories, or rather defeats ... First, change the steering, then it will be possible to get out of the bumps ...
    2. SASS Offline
      SASS (Sass) 13 May 2020 20: 19
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      Do not give papers?
    3. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 14 May 2020 18: 37
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      Could not do the engines (outdated, single-circuit) yourself - buy from China, Japan, France, India, Brazil, finally. Install what is.

      You are joking? What engine does China, India, Brazil have?
      Lack of education interferes with a bad commentator. smile
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 14 May 2020 20: 39
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        You underestimate China and India, underestimate ....

        And Brazil .... They intercepted orders from the Superjet, they wrote. So there is, no, but it was possible to get something through them ....

        I do not like Brazil ... So try right at America. They also allegedly wanted to buy a batch for themselves .... they would have sold for themselves that ...
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 15 May 2020 00: 19
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          You underestimate China and India, underestimate ....

          I do not underestimate them, I just know that they do not have engines.

          And Brazil .... They intercepted orders from the Superjet, they wrote. So there is, no, but it was possible to get something through them ....

          Brazil does not know how to make engines, they put the Americans, Embraer itself was sold to the Americans, but the deal fell through, Boeing has no extra 4 billion.

          I do not like Brazil ... So try right at America. They also allegedly wanted to buy a batch for themselves .... they would have sold for themselves that ...

          The United States bought 10 units, Ukrainian engines, even if the Americans have suitable ones, they may simply not sell them, especially for the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Emergencies.
          The French remain, about the Superjet, I hope you remember.
          The Chinese are all trying to buy Motor Sich, they need technology.
          Aircraft engines cannot just be bought at the supermarket. Countries capable of making them are less than flying into space. And you tell me that hemp is sitting and do not realize that you can just go and buy and advise you to go to the prosecutor’s office.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 May 2020 08: 20
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            Of course. Either make new engines yourself, or adapt others. Others can be both their own and others. Fortunately, there are not many aircraft in the series.
            The prosecutor's office does not allow? So go into it.))))

            In the meantime, it seems they already wrote that the first small deliveries to the market were from a Chinese competitor ((((And I don’t care, "that they don’t have engines."
  3. King3214 Offline
    King3214 (Sergius) 13 May 2020 14: 48
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    Here is to catch and strangle all those Russian pest leaders who lobbied for the development of industry in Ukraine with Russian orders. Instead of manufacturing their own units on their own territory, on their own ...
  4. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 13 May 2020 15: 11
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    First, experts point out the fallacy of the decision to transfer the seaplane production from Taganrog to Irkutsk. Cadres decide everything, and a serious problem arose with this. Replaying a solution took up a lot of valuable time and resources.

    Production was originally in Irkutsk, later moved to Taganrog. I suppose they didn’t move it out of boredom; in Irkutsk, the plant was loaded with others. Su-30, Su-35, Su-57, MS-21 are all there.

    Be-200 production, starting with prototypes, is carried out at an aircraft factory in Irkutsk. The first Be-200 made its first flight on September 24, 1998.
    In 2008, the transfer of mass production of the Be-200 from Irkutsk to the Beriev TANTK in the city of Taganrog began. In 2010, at the Gelendzhik air show, the Be-200 received a European certificate, which makes it possible to start deliveries to European countries. As of mid-2011, issues related to the transfer of production to Taganrog were still discussed in the media - it is reported that the transfer will be completed by 2013.

    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-625.html

    Now it is planned to install domestic PD-10 engines derived from PD-14 on Altair and other aircraft. The problem is that neither one nor the other power plant is put into production, and the developer does not name any specific dates.

    PD-14 is ready and produced.

    Serial production of PD-14 engines for the medium-haul liner MS-21 has started in Russia, Rostec CEO Oleg Yevtushenko said in an interview with RIA Novosti.
    "In January 2020, the first products for installation on the latest Russian MS-21 aircraft were already delivered to the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant," he said.

    https://ria.ru/20200330/1569332215.html

    The export potential of the Be-200 Altair is huge today.

    This is a little exaggerated, it really will not become mass. Hundreds of firefighting aircraft do not need anyone, the operation of passenger aircraft in comparison with conventional aircraft is more expensive.
    1. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 May 2020 15: 29
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      Quote: 123
      The export potential of the Be-200 Altair is huge today.

      This is a little exaggerated, it really will not become mass. Hundreds of firefighting aircraft do not need anyone, the operation of passenger aircraft in comparison with conventional aircraft is more expensive.

      In Asian countries, they plan to use them for commercial passenger transportation.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 14 May 2020 17: 56
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        In Asian countries, they plan to use them for commercial passenger transportation.

        And how many planes do they plan to buy? 10? twenty?
    2. Marzhecki Offline
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 May 2020 15: 32
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      PD-14 is ready and produced.

      Serial production of PD-14 engines for the medium-haul liner MS-21 has started in Russia, Rostec CEO Oleg Yevtushenko said in an interview with RIA Novosti.
      "In January 2020, the first products for installation on the latest Russian MS-21 aircraft were already delivered to the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant," he said.

      https://ria.ru/20200330/1569332215.html

      That's how they fly, then we'll talk. And the PD-10 is not there at all.
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 14 May 2020 18: 12
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        That's how they fly, then we'll talk. And the PD-10 is not there at all.

        Then write that the engine has not yet been certified. Fly, do not worry. PD-10 yes in development, what's wrong with that?
        Everyone knows what Ukraine is now. Engine development is not a quick task. What do you mean by that? What conclusion do you make? Or just want to poke?
  5. Vlad Petrov Offline
    Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 14 May 2020 07: 15
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    The Motor Sich plant is doomed to sink. The Chinese came - robbing, the Americans came running - strangling, Kiev does not need, Moscow observes indifferently, which is very sad. And in order for the Motor Sich plant to survive, there is one way - to Russia, together with the Zaporizhzhya region, for this it is necessary to join the LDNR. No other way.