Why there were no T-14 Armata in Syria


The other day, it became known from the words of the Minister of Industry and Trade Manturov that the T-14 Armata tanks, it turns out, "were tested in Syria." At the same time, neither the Russian military nor the foreign media, which closely monitor the events in the SAR, confirm the “sensation”.


What gives reason to believe that "they are not there"?

T-14 Armata is a tank with a difficult fate. His main problem is that in a certain sense he was ahead of his time and found himself in the price segment uncomfortable for the Russian Defense Ministry. The combat vehicle has an advanced design and unique characteristics. Due to the uninhabited tower, the crew was reduced to 3 people. The tank uses active and passive protection systems. It can be used to conduct “network-centric warfare” not only independently, but also by reconnaissance, target designation and fire adjustment for other tanks, self-propelled guns and air defense systems. On the basis of the Armata platform, a whole family of tracked armored vehicles can be created.

T-14 was good for everyone except the final price. According to the Director General of Uralvagonzavod Oleg Sienko, subject to mass production, the cost of one tank will be 250 million rubles. 20 units were actually released, which made it possible to call Armata a “front tank,” another 100 units were ordered, apparently in order not to recognize the project as completely failed.

The Russian military found the T-90AM tank and its modifications more in demand. Last year, Uralvagonzavod announced that the T-90M Breakthrough tank could become Russia's main battle tank. In addition to the fact that the combat vehicle is built on a time-tested platform and in practice, a relatively affordable price, due to the mass production, speaks in its favor. Large batches of the T-90 series are exported, including under license contracts. For example, in 2006, India entered into a contract for the assembly of 1000 T-90 Bhishma worth $ 2,5 billion.

Apparently, the Russian government is not averse to taking the same path with respect to the T-14. An expensive but outstanding tank could be enjoyed by the Middle Eastern monarchies, closely monitoring the actions of the Russian contingent in Syria. But, in addition to the high price, “Almaty” has a second drawback, which is much easier to fix: the lack of practice of its combat use.

And here there is an unconfirmed story about the “run-in” of the T-14 in Syria. The question is, what exactly is meant? The appearance of the Su-57 in the Arab Republic was instantly covered by the media. Videotapes appeared on the network, and a bit later, satellite images confirming the location of the latest Russian fighter in Latakia.

If Armata were lit up in battle, the Internet would immediately be filled with a mass of photo and video confirmations. The Syrians themselves would not miss the opportunity to take a picture next to the most modern tank in the world.

So why do you need Armata in Syria? Just ride? We need sand - for God's sake, go to the Astrakhan region. Need mountains - Ural, please, Caucasus. Need some heat? In the summer in the Kuban +40 and above. Why are the conditions of Syria so unique? Yes, nothing. There were no objective reasons for running in the newest tanks in the ATS and there is no.

It is very significant that the military themselves are silent about this. It seems that the present to potential buyers provided the Minister of Commerce Manturov. That's just being done, it is somehow completely unconvincing, it even becomes a little awkward.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 22 2020 14: 06
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    Oh ... the stream of articles about allegedly Armata in supposedly Syria continues ....
    A couple of words of Manturov - and a bunch of media provided with work for a long time ....
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 22 2020 14: 11
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    It is embarrassing for the level of analytics of some authors. negative
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 14: 17
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      There is no need to be an analyst. Unless they brought Armata to Tartus, they held it there and sent it back. Can you give at least one reason why you should send this tank to Syria?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 14: 49
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        And the reasons are the same for which small batches of T-43 or T-50 tanks were sent to the front during the Second World War ... See how the equipment behaves in battle and in a foreign climate. And the fact that the Arabs did not let her in was completely natural after they merged the latest T-62s to the Jews in Egypt ... Arabs love to trade too much so that they can be trusted with secrets for which the Yankees could pay dearly.
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 14: 57
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          There are pictures of “Terminator” from Syria, there are Su-57, there is Iskander-M, there is also a “Bastion”. "Armata" no. A couple of times you can shoot a tank at a target in Russia. As for the T-43 and others, so they participated in the battles directly. If “Armata” would be sent, as they say, to the front (read to Idlib, because there are no more active military operations anywhere), there would be a lot of photos and video. It is not necessary to let the Syrians in, the tank can be removed from afar. There are all around the Syrian armed forces. And if the “Armata” was transported through the territory of Tartus or Hmeimim, but what for then such “tests” surrendered.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 05
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            Have you seen a lot of photos of the T-43, or T-50 at the front ?! Photos of the T-34A-57 are rare ... The terminator is not a novelty, it has already been sold abroad, it seems, to Kazakhstan ... The bastion is also in service for a long time and is offered for export ... You will not find a photo of the Su-57 inside the cockpit and hiding them from the eyes didn’t make sense, since they were planning to fly on them, which means that they will be seen by (NATO partners) ... The tank is a different matter, it will be transported to camouflage nets to the battlefield, several enemy positions will be covered, and sent to the rear, for testing the sighting system in a foreign climate this is enough. The chassis will be tested in the same way, but already in the rear and away from the Arabs who want to sell anything, they will not be allowed to go there for a cannon shot, all security work will be carried out by the Russian special forces and, most likely, the FSB special forces, and if it is said that you can’t take pictures , then it’s impossible, otherwise the photographer’s problems may arise not sour.
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 08
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              The tank is another matter, it will be delivered to the battlefield under camouflage nets, covered with several enemy positions and sent to the rear.

              God, what kind of nonsense are you talking about ... They are carrying a tank across Syria, under camouflage nets, probably even at night ... They are driving the truck to the firing range. They shoot at the militants. Quickly ship back and run. Question: what prevents targets from shooting in Russia? Put the T-55, and fell into it as much as you like!
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 11
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                They’re shooting not at the T-55, but either at the decommissioned heavy tanks, such as the IS, or the T-10, or at the new armored plates ... But this is not how I already wrote, not one firing range can replace front-line tests, it’s difficult to explain not to a military man, you just don’t know all the subtleties and can’t even imagine them.
                1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 22
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                  Stop boasting about your rank. This turns into your only argument on the subject of the dispute, which is extremely stupid.

                  If the T-14 were really sent to battle, another thing. And more than once, and not 1 tank. Otherwise, it is not a test. 5-10 tanks for several months, at least. But there was none of this.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 32
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                    Most likely, these are 3 tanks, a platoon ... And as for everything else, I do not boast, there are simply things in which civilians know nothing ... This is not a reason to consider them stupid, no. I don’t understand anything in dentistry and many other things, but I don’t write about them ... leaving this to professionals. Marzhetsky, it seems, is a lawyer, that would have written something professional, for the sake of the day ... For example, about the law on Self-Defense, about which many copies are broken ... But there’s nothing to argue about, no one really knows anything and you not experts in this matter.
                    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 16: 14
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                      The statement that someone does not understand something is empty words. The argument is determined by arguments. For your part, I do not see them.
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 17: 09
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                        It is difficult to explain something to a person if he does not want to hear your explanations. There is only one argument - in order to understand something in military matters, you must at least graduate from a military university. Sometimes serve, at least urgently, in the army, and not an artist or a clerk. Sometimes I’m going to war and not a political officer in the far rear ... I already wrote to you that I’m not a dentist and I’m not eager to give them advice, solve their problems and discuss their professional issues ... So I advise a lawyer to practice law ... and not to teach cooks cabbage soup ... and to argue what they cook these cabbage soup ... they know better, because they are cooks, not lawyers.
                      2. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 17: 43
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                        This argument is off topic.
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 23 2020 10: 16
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                        Yes, everything on the topic. As Professor Preobrazhensky said, surgeons should operate. If cooks start treating their teeth and dentists cook booths, God knows what will turn out, but certainly nothing good. Everyone must do their job. I cannot replace you, at your work, you cannot replace me with mine and this is normal. There are no people who know everything and everywhere, know everything and everywhere. There are none and never will be, so sometimes the articles of Marzhetsky, who is trying to write about everything at once, are perceived normally, sometimes they cause a smile with their naivety, sometimes they annoy with their unprofessionalism. I already realized that you have an opinion on this issue, but, as you see, I am not alone in my opinion either. They write to you the military, with whom I am not personally acquainted, but our opinions on the issue coincide, because we serve, or served, but Marzhetsky not. He is civilian and does not understand what he is writing about. And explaining something to you is hard. Your questions, they sound something like this - Why do cooks put cabbage in cabbage soup, and not grapes, because grapes are tastier ... Well, with cabbage soup you understand because you ate them, but you don’t understand military issues because you didn’t carry them military uniform. Do not be offended, well, that is, that is.
                      4. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
                        Observer2014 April 25 2020 13: 07
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                        Yes, everything on the topic. As Professor Preobrazhensky said, surgeons should operate. If the cooks start treating their teeth ...,

                        It's fun to read, probably, a gang of site-based ananists. laughing How is your nothing in Belarus? Well, what is there to the tank "Armatu" your dad was going to produce? Or, rather, can? wink laughing
                      5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 25 2020 23: 02
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                        I see, you wrote well about yourself and yourselves, in the subject ... hi
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 22 2020 15: 07
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    There is no need to be an analyst. Unless they brought Armata to Tartus, they held it there and sent it back.

    This is speculation. Do you have reliable information about the location of the test?

    Can you give at least one reason why you should send this tank to Syria?

    One?
    Different climatic zones.

    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 12
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      Different climatic zones.

      What are you talking about? And in my opinion, Sochi is located in the subtropics, just like Syria. Your card confirms this. Anyway, +2 average climatic degrees of weather do not.

      This is speculation. Do you have reliable information about the location of the test?

      Are you not speculating?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 24
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        Well, do not argue, dear. The Black Sea climate is not Mediterranean ... Read how it was necessary to warm the battleship Novorossiysk obtained from Italy on the Black Sea.
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 29
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          Pff ... What a stupid example. Let me remind you that in Russia all military equipment is initially created for any different climatic conditions - from the Siberian cold to the Kuban heat. This is compared to Italians.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 22 2020 15: 26
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        What are you talking about? And in my opinion, Sochi is located in the subtropics, just like Syria. Your card confirms this. And in general, +2 average climatic degrees do not do any weather at all.

        Try to dry the washed laundry in Sochi. The task is not easy. In the desert in the Middle East, you just physically feel how moisture is lost. There is such a phenomenon that directly affects the operation of sights, refraction. Look at what data gets clogged in the formula (the data on the link is more likely about astronomy, but the essence is the same, there is a desire - you can delve into the essence of the problem). hi

        https://www.booksite.ru/fulltext/1/001/008/096/752.htm

        Are you not speculating?

        No, not speculation. I do not state in which particular places the tests were carried out. Syria is large, the climatic zones are different, Latakia and Palmyra are not the same thing. I assume that testing is logical in the desert. Information that contradicts this assumption, I do not own. And you? Your claim that the tests were carried out in Tartus

        “Armata” was taken to Tartus, held there, and sent back

        and there are speculations. yes
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 31
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          In the desert in the Middle East, you just physically feel how moisture is lost.

          Deserts of the Astrakhan region to help you. Moisture evaporates instantly. Dry air, + 40-45 degrees.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) April 22 2020 15: 38
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            Deserts of the Astrakhan region to help you. Moisture evaporates instantly.

            Read about refraction, in addition to the humidity level, there are still various parameters, for example, atmospheric pressure. To simulate all the conditions is either impossible or does not make sense. Testing equipment in different climatic conditions is justified and this is common practice.
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 42
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              The pressure of the atmosphere is not a constant value, and it does not differ significantly. What are you talking about? Was "Armata" driven to Syria due to slightly different pressure? What other arguments will there be? Is the sun closer to its zenith? Maybe magnetic storms are less felt?
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) April 22 2020 15: 43
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                Atmospheric pressure is a variable value, and it does not differ significantly. What are you talking about? “Armata” because of a slightly different pressure drove to Syria?

                Due to the combination of climatic conditions. Do you offer everything in lab testing?
                1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 16: 01
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                  No, I propose to transport the tank to 190 countries of the world, because in one state 720 mm Hg, and in another already 726 ...
                  In terms of the combination of climatic conditions, the Syrian Palmyra is not much different from the deserts of the Astrakhan region, and the Syrian Latakia - from Russian Sochi
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) April 22 2020 16: 17
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                    And I recommend you to relax in the Crimea, and not go to foreign resorts. The sea is everywhere the sea. This I mean that the level of argument is about the same. yes Weapons are being tested both in the Arctic and in the mountains of the Caucasus, why not spend them in Syria?
                    Practice is not new.

                    As a result of the hostilities in Syria, we naturally had a great debriefing, and not one, not ten. I can tell you that about 300 types of weapons were modified taking into account the Syrian experience, and we simply removed from production and weapons the 12 samples that were considered promising.
                    Shoigu.

                    https://ria.ru/20190922/1558971417.html

                    Why so many worries about the next test? Why is it so messy?
                  2. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                    Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 16: 24
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                    And I recommend you to relax in the Crimea, and not go to foreign resorts

                    I do not need to relax in the Crimea, I live 100 km from the coast of the World Cup.

                    Why so many worries about the next test? Why is it so messy?

                    No worries. It's just dust in the eyes. Some general got sick of satisfying his ego and sending Armata to Syria. No sense, but what self-satisfaction! The same goes for the Su-57. They sent a couple of cars, they let the X-59MK2 there, maybe something else, and returned home. Meaning? What prevented the testing of these ammunition in Russia? Does the enemy have air control facilities? Air defense?
                  3. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) April 22 2020 16: 33
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                    No worries. It's just dust in the eyes. Some general got sick of satisfying his ego and sending Armata to Syria.

                    Do you mean Shoigu? I doubt that these and the remaining 300 types of weapons were tested without his knowledge. no

                    No sense, but what self-satisfaction! The same goes for the Su-57. They sent a couple of cars, they let the X-59MK2 there, maybe something else, and returned home. Meaning? What prevented the testing of these ammunition in Russia?

                    Re-read the previous comment about the meaning.

                    Does the enemy have air control facilities? Air defense?

                    Was it necessary to drive him under air defense? I don’t understand your nerves at all on this issue. request Try for a change here to practice them in eloquence. Or not comme il faut? winked

                    The United States demonstrated its military power by testing the fifth-generation F-35A Lightning II fighter in Syria.
  • Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 25 2020 12: 55
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    Quote: 123
    It is embarrassing for the level of analytics of some authors. negative

    You are straight swingers sites. Can I come up with a label for you? laughing At 123 starting? And then the tank "Armata" in Syria did not happen and all that.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) April 25 2020 16: 15
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      You are straight swingers sites. Can I come up with a label for you? laughing At 123 starting out? And then the tank "Armata" in Syria did not happen and all that.

      What did you want to say? By the set of words, it’s clear that I tried to be rude, but it somehow turned out incoherently. no The essence of the sand is gone. Learn to express thoughts with words. smile
  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) April 22 2020 14: 22
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    It is hard to imagine a more delusional article than this. The argument is about nothing. If the T-14 really was in Syria, which is likely, then he had to destroy all the fortifications of the militants there and kill all of them there tightly in order to light up in front of the cameras. Well, it's just real nonsense !!!
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 14: 43
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    It’s not a fact that the Syrians will be allowed to this tank even for a cannon shot, knowing, in Egypt, how Arabs like to dump military secrets for anyone ... Anyway, they won’t let them go to Armata, from the word at all. This is not a lunapark for them to be photographed there, but tests. If they were carried out, but it is quite possible that they were carried out, conducted by factory test officers, under the guise of a group of special forces of the Russian Federation and not the fact that the army, and most likely special forces of the FSB ... Tests of this kind are not carried out to then convince them, but in order to test the equipment in combat conditions and in someone else’s climate ... They will be convincing at the competition when a country announces a tender for the purchase of tanks in order to renew their tank fleet ... There will be a run and shooting, but even there will be presented exports different types of armored vehicles, and not what is in service with the countries producing armored vehicles ... Who cares, look at the history of India's purchase of T-90 tanks, or the purchase of the UAE BMP-3.
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 03
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      The tests were carried out by factory test officers, under the guise of a group of special forces of the Russian Federation and not the fact that the army, but most likely special forces of the FSB ...

      Imagine the picture: the tank drives back and forth across the field, nothing around. The nearest fighter positions are 300 km away ... Tests are underway ... Special forces are watching through binoculars and sights for the "Armata" ...

      Tests of this kind are not carried out in order to convince someone there, but in order to test equipment in combat conditions and in someone else's climate ...

      What are the combat conditions? Purely formal? Type in the country there is a war, so we are driving a tank here, far from military operations? And in what "alien climate"? How does the Syrian climate differ significantly from the south of Russia? The humidity is the same, the temperature is not less, dust is also enough.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 08
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        It’s hard for you to imagine, you are not an officer ... For example, I don’t know the work of the chief editor ... And what do you think, for what purpose did South Korea test its new tank in the Donbas, known as (Black Panther) ?! And all for this ... Not a single training ground for front-line conditions can replace.
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 15
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          It’s hard for you to imagine, you are not an officer ..

          If this is your argument, I don’t understand why you got into the argument at all.

          And what do you think, for what purpose did South Korea test its new tank in the Donbas, known as (Black Panther)

          Wow, easy on the bends. fellow The time for drop dead stories has not come yet ... By the way, will there be evidence? Or so ... well, you understand ...
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 19
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            soldier If something is classified, then every effort is made to ensure that there is no evidence. In certain situations, living witnesses are even destroyed, and you evidence ... Yes, I do not argue with you, but try to explain the situation to you ... Believe it or not, everyone’s personal affair. Personally, I don’t know if they tested Armata in Syria or not, but the fact that there is no photo of this tank in Syria is not proof that it was not there. We don’t have a photo of the Black Panther in the Donbas either, but she was there and there are those who saw her with my own eyes ... Remember the DMB film and the dialogue from it - "See the gopher ?! - No - I don’t see, but he is ! "
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 15: 25
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              We also don’t have a photo of the Black Panther in the Donbass, but she was there and there are those who saw her with their own eyes ...

              You just need to know the measure in alcohol ... So pass it on to those who "saw" this tank in the Donbass.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 22 2020 15: 25
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                In vain you are so ... Not everyone is addicted to alcohol, but there are those who don’t drink at all ..
          2. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) April 22 2020 16: 00
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            Ruslan, always all countries developing and producing weapons, whenever possible tried to break them in under military conditions. This is generally a historical fact. Undisputed, like the story of heavy tanks, which in single copies drove to the Finnish war. Passed this HF procedure. Just by chance: someone was blown up by a mine, someone (like, I don’t remember) was stuck. KV received and, according to the experience of military operations, ordered KV-2. If the war did not end, they would also be driven there. How the front-line tests went, the best front-line fighter (failed, unfortunately) of the WWII I-185, is quite described in the literature.
            But, even if we discard this, the illuminated fact of successful (at least not disastrous) actions of equipment in real combat operations immediately increases its initial price in the market. This is like a very desirable type of promotion for a new product. Any marketer will tell you.
            This applies not only to weapons, but also to the army. Yes, the Chinese army is large, well equipped, there are modern types of weapons. But no one knows how she will fight. Even the PLA command. Because the army has no combat experience. Therefore, the Russian army has authority and reputation, while the Chinese do not. The last experience of the war - 1979. with vietnam. So this experience would not have been better. There was talk that the Chinese would take some part in Syria, but ended in nothing. That the authority of the PLA did not add.
            And weapons that are not accepted by the manufacturer’s army are almost impossible to sell. And if the army is at war, it is understood that the new weapons must also be tested in combat. If not, questions will arise during negotiations when trying to sell. And it is better to make sure that these issues do not arise. The negotiating partner, at least, builds pressure on the price level.
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 16: 06
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              Boris, who told you that “Armata” was tested in combat conditions? I have already asked the question below - what are the combat conditions? For me personally, this is a direct participation in the hostilities, enemy fire, return fire, attempts to hit a tank, attempts to repel an attack, etc. Are you sure the T-14 participated in the hostilities? Where? When? As a single combat unit - nonsense! As part of the units of the Syrian army? Then where are the photos and videos? They cannot but be in this situation!
              1. boriz Offline boriz
                boriz (boriz) April 22 2020 16: 15
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                Why bullshit? They could easily let go in a group with a T-90 or some other. This mode (interaction with other types of equipment) must also be worked out. By the way, I’m not saying that I’m sure of the fact. They can simply create a legend, with the goals that I mentioned above. Photos will be, if there is good. A group of several tanks could be with purely Russian crews. In general, you should not get excited, I just don’t see a reason.
                1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 16: 17
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                  They could easily let go in a group with a T-90 or some other.

                  Could. Only in these T-90s are not ours, but Syrians. And around the Syrian military with hundreds of smartphones in their pockets. And in them there are cameras, let me remind you ...
                  1. boriz Offline boriz
                    boriz (boriz) April 22 2020 17: 07
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                    I do not know, other photos, except the one in the post, I did not see. This is either a production or an installation.
                    Girl-tanker with an infantry machine gun - incredibly cool. And under the Syrians, you can dress anyone up. Broad is my native country.
                    But as for the need to break in a tank in Syria - 120% is necessary and no one will convince me of this. Not in Syria, even the case. There is no other war yet. Therefore, Syria.
                    Infa left Manturov because Manturov was selling this tank. But the stuffing could be arranged more professionally. Well, now is the time, professionally only grandmas are sawing.
                    And the tank, if it was not in Syria, it will be necessary.
                    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 17: 46
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                      But as for the need to break in a tank in Syria - 120% is necessary and no one will convince me of this.

                      But am I against it? Only a real break-in. Then the blood, as they say.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 22 2020 16: 01
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        During the "Syrian company" tests have passed more than 200 weapons.
        Why so much attention of the T-14? Simple practice.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) April 22 2020 16: 42
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          Well, screw it up. They wrote it - it means it wasn’t.
          And this:

          So why do you need Armata in Syria? Just ride? We need sand - for God's sake, go to the Astrakhan region. Need mountains - Ural, please, Caucasus. Need some heat? In the summer in the Kuban +40 and above. Why are the conditions of Syria so unique? Yes, nothing. There were no objective reasons for running in the newest tanks in the ATS and there is no.

          Just not serious. During front-line tests of the same I-185, aircraft were transferred from the Russian winter to the Russian winter. They did not fly over enemy territory. Only cover for their troops.
          But, no designer can foresee all the little things that technology will encounter in real use. Up to the field airfield.
          From KB technology is experienced by very qualified specialists. And who will use it in real actions? Will be able? One of the reasons that the MiG-3 "did not go" - the ace, who has migrated to the MiG from the donkey, becomes an average pilot. A weak on the donkey, on the MiG could not fly in principle. Field service, quality of fuels and lubricants and coolants? A million nuances. In my youth I developed CEA and then participated in trials. You will be surprised if you tell us what you did with her in trials. But then - all the same to the troops.
          And after the troops there is a test. Testing by mass production. While the experimental series are under construction control, everything is fine. Then the nuances begin. Classic - LaGG-3. The first samples were made in a piano workshop. Cabinetmakers. They made, varnished and polished with all the qualifications and love. Everything is fine. And in the series, the speed was lost in tens of kilometers per hour.
  • weddu Offline weddu
    weddu (Kolya) April 22 2020 15: 07
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    ... crew size reduced to 3 people.

    - this is good news, I’ve overcome it, so to speak. They hid from us, yet he was still ..
  • Serge Tixiy Offline Serge Tixiy
    Serge Tixiy (Serge Tixiy) April 22 2020 15: 55
    +1
    Is there an "Armata" in Syria, is there an "Armata" in Syria, this is not known to science. And the official knows about "Armata" and Syria having a very, very distant relationship. But how many people are busy ....
  • Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) April 22 2020 16: 01
    +1
    But what about checking the tank in real combat? The author did not hear this, apparently, or in Russia, according to the author, there are also places where you can test a tank in real combat situations!
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 16: 08
      -4
      What is the real combat situation? How do you imagine that? Please describe!
      1. Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
        Cheburashk (Vladimir) April 22 2020 18: 30
        0
        And you, as I understand it, pretend to be a fool, right? What is a database, you also don’t understand at all, do you? If not, then Wikipedia is better for you, this is for you.
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) April 22 2020 22: 31
          -2
          Will the answer be essentially or just an empty chatter?
  • Cheburashk Offline Cheburashk
    Cheburashk (Vladimir) April 23 2020 02: 05
    0
    To begin, tell me why your fifth point is so lit. Secondly, answer the question yourself what is battle. Academician you are our native!
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 23 2020 07: 01
    -5
    Quote: sgrabik
    It’s hard to even imagine a more delusional article than this.

    Who are the judges?
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 23 2020 10: 20
      +4
      Sergey, judges are not lawyers and this is not your topic. Do not be offended, well, as it is.
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) April 23 2020 14: 40
      0
      Imagine that sometimes people come across who, on duty, have the most direct relation to the creation and testing of equipment, which you so eloquently speak of here. Or do you think that is smarter and more informed than everyone around you ???
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  • Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 25 2020 12: 30
    -6
    T-14 Armata is a tank with a difficult fate. His main problem is that in a certain sense he was ahead of his time and found himself in the price segment uncomfortable for the Russian Defense Ministry.

    laughing yes drinks I get my opinion. Expressed in VO. hi