Revival of the USSR: why did Putin warn the West


Quite unexpectedly sounded in the television program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin ”on TV channel“ Russia 1 ”the words of the leader of our state about the systematic advancement of the countries of the“ post-Soviet space ”towards a new integration into something unified and, most importantly, the statement that“ phobias before the return of the Soviet Union ”in its former republics are a thing of the past.


Why did Vladimir Vladimirovich suddenly raise a topic in this difficult time, which is for the “collective West” a real nightmare and a subject of mass phobia? What kind of message is his speech and why did it suddenly go on the air right now?

The biggest horror of our "friends"


Perhaps, it is worth starting the discussion of this topic with references to when our “Western partners” were seriously concerned about “the desire for the reconstruction of the USSR emanating from the Kremlin”. Most likely, the starting point here can be considered 2010-2011, when the leader of Russia, while remaining in the status of prime minister. made some rather cautious and half-hearted remarks on this subject, saying that the one who does not regret the collapse of the USSR has “no heart”, but those who seek to revive it have “no head”, and after calling the collapse of “union indestructible ”no less than“ the greatest geopolitical catastrophe in the 2011th century ”. This was followed by an article by Vladimir Vladimirovich published in Izvestia in October XNUMX, in which he outlined ambitious plans: to reach a higher level of integration of the countries participating in the Customs Union and the CES to the Eurasian Union. At the same time, Putin emphasized that there was no question of recreating the USSR in one form or another, pushing for a completely different idea: “tight integration on a new value, political, economic basis. " Nevertheless, it was then that "on the other hand," on both sides of the ocean, "panic attacks" began. As an example, we can cite the publication in La Stampa at that time, which can only be called a “gazette”, after the enchanting boorish and ungrateful demarche arranged by it not so long ago about “useless Russian help in the fight against the epidemic,” language, right of word, does not turn . In 2011, the wise men wrote about "the desire of Vladimir Putin to revive the historical space, destroyed as a result of the collapse of communism, in the style of" copy and paste "under the sauce of the customs union" and his attempt to "create a surrogate of the Soviet Union in a" lightweight "version."

The Financial Times reaction turned out to be more balanced, noting that "this time Putin can really succeed." However, obviously frightened by their own courage, the authors immediately hastened to call the Eurasian Economic Community “empty talking room” and “prophesy” the imminent “collapse of the CIS”. However, the West really started to shake from the idea that Moscow really intends to seriously tackle the reconstruction of the Soviet Union after 2014 and the reunification of Crimea with Russia. “Here it is - it has begun! First, Crimea, then all of Ukraine, and then they will get to everyone else! ” - professional Russophobes of all countries, both post-Soviet and others, got hysterical. Particularly gifted, like the former commander of the Estonian self-defense forces, General Ants Laaneots, began to “reveal terrible conspiracies,” saying that the “plan for the occupation of the Baltic states” lies on Putin’s wide table, starting in 2014. But why do you think the 1st Guards Tank Army was created? Only to capture the "small, but proud" ... The general, of course, does not admit that the companies of the construction battalion would have been enough for them to have eyes. A great lover of the delicate taste of ties, Mikhail Saakashvili, went even further in his conspiracy theories. It is understandable - the general’s figure is rather big, but the president’s (albeit a long time ago) scope should be wider. This leader managed to name the date to which “Putin intends to recreate the Soviet Union”, and even the list of “doomed to annexation” of the former republics was: according to Saakashvili, the Russians would capture “Georgia, Armenia, Moldova, Belarus”, and in addition “all of Ukraine except Western. " This sore topic received new development at a time when Moscow made certain attempts to intensify the processes of creating the Union State with Minsk. They again spoke of the "restoration of the USSR." Then it calmed down a little. And then the president again splashed "a little gas tank into the fire."

Russia's manifesto in the new world?


The world media have not yet responded to his new speech on such a disturbing subject. It is understandable - the coronavirus is somehow more important. Ukraine is a different matter. There, even a pandemic, even fires throughout the country, even default on the threshold, but still - every word spoken in the Kremlin is more relevant than any personal troubles and problems. “Putin announced the reconstruction of the USSR: all countries will unite again”, “Putin spoke about the revival of the USSR”, “Putin publicly announced the restoration of the USSR” - these are just some of the headlines there. What is written under them is better for people with a weak mentality not to read. At the same time, anyone who gives himself the trouble to familiarize himself with the president’s words in their normal, and not mercilessly twisted form, will be convinced that in general there was no talk of anything like this. The conversation is again about "improving the competitiveness of post-Soviet economies by consolidating efforts", which "inevitably makes its way", contrary to "phobias and fears about the revival of the Soviet empire." Yes, the leader mentioned a common Russian language for all, a common infrastructure that promotes integration, which he called "absolutely natural business." Except that at the same time, he almost for the first time directly called “opposition of the West”, which “is afraid of economic competition”, one of the main reasons, which hinder this integration. And what’s interesting! This interview was recorded back in October last year. Why did it go on air right now? “They wanted to distract the people from the pandemic ...” or “there was nothing more to give” - such, so to speak, “versions”, voiced by some already, should not even be considered. In the Kremlin, "just like that" nothing is done and not said. Well, if these, albeit extremely restrained, but nevertheless sounding provocatively and frightening words for the West sounded when they sounded, then there was a specific reason for this.

Наиболее логичным объяснением, возможно, стоит считать желание Владимира Владимировича дать достаточно мягкий, но более чем прозрачный ответ на резко активизировавшиеся в последнее время поползновения «заставить Россию примкнуть к глобальному миру». На его, этого самого мира, естественно, условиях. В таком случае, сказанное с телеэкрана следует расценивать как четкое предупреждение Кремля. Россия очерчивает область собственных жизненных интересов, соваться в которые «глобальным» впредь решительно не рекомендуется. А также – указание на то, что строить собственное будущее Россия намерена, прежде всего, с бывшими республиками СССР, а не странами Запада, даже в период глобальной пандемии не желающими ни на йоту ослаблять унизительный санкционный режим в отношении нее. Также вполне можно считать сказанное выражением видения Москвой будущего устройства нового, «посткоронавирусного» мира. Он совершенно однозначно будет отличаться от того, дни которого завершились в декабре 2019 года. Новые геополитические реалии, новые всепланетные «расклады», новые «центры силы» и новые союзы – все это не просто неизбежно. Эта иная реальность уже формируется сегодня, буквально на наших глазах, и с чего бы Россия должна была искать в ней собственное место по чьей-то подсказке? Вполне возможно, интервью Путина прозвучало как раз сейчас, в то время, когда в некоторых странах уже заговорили о прохождении пика пандемии и грядущем переходе к «восстановительному периоду» для того, чтобы дать возможность Западу поразмыслить над тем, как дальше строить отношения с нашей страной, чего от нее ожидать и к чему готовиться. Чтобы потом не было мучительно больно…

The revival of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in all its power, strength and glory, in the present realities, alas, is impossible. First of all, due to the lack of a single ideology for all, a political force capable of accomplishing such a great, titanic deed. Yes, and the former “sisters” had already gone too far to merge into a single family again. Someday - perhaps, but certainly not now. “Capturing" or "occupying" any of the post-Soviet countries - such nonsense can only be born in the inflamed consciousness of local nationalists or Western "experts" of not the highest level, seeking to find a reason to create a bogey "Russian threat." Who to capture, and, most importantly, why ?! But to create something like the European Union - with a common market coordinated by industry, transport, possibly even a single currency, would be very tempting. In the new reality created by the pandemic, the world will be much less global, however, strong and reliable alliances will be appreciated in it even higher than before. Without them, many countries will find it extremely difficult to survive. Another question is that any such association, no matter what specific forms it has and whatever it is called, should in no case follow the vicious path that, unfortunately, has prevailed for many years in building relations between Russia and the former "fraternal" peoples. " It's no secret that the leaders of many of them, including those considered to be “pro-Russian,” looked at our country exclusively as a source of endless material and other benefits, completely not wanting to take retaliatory steps.

What the indulgence of such a position leads to - we can clearly see today with the example of Belarus, whose president has recently reached openly anti-Russian rhetoric, which is confirmed, moreover, by appropriate actions. Naturally, any union, including interstate, should be built on mutual interests and benefits. However, the situation where Russia provides someone with unprecedented preferences and discounts, for example, with energy supplies, and in response hears painful complaints about “infringement of sovereignty” and all new demands and claims, is unacceptable. The leadership of our country in any kind of alliance created in the "post-Soviet" space is a priori determined by its greatest economic and military power. And also, if you like, succession from the USSR, which other republics abandoned. Sooner or later, an understanding of this undeniable moment will come to all those of them who are thinking about their own future. Then we’ll talk about real integration.
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  1. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) April 21 2020 12: 42
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    But father from the coronavirus completely freaked out, sculpts about us such that you won’t pull anything. And the time has come to change it, democratically, like Guaido in Venezuela, or pour polonium into his underpants, it will be faster, otherwise our neighbor will quickly be taken over by the Yankees, putting their governor there, as they did in other countries of the former socialist camp. And Kazakhstan and Armenia are already looking with might and main towards Brussels and Washington, so we need to build socialism in a single country, namely a country, and not just within the Garden Ring. And there, you look, our stray "brothers and sisters" will also reach us .....
    1. Nick Offline
      Nick (Nikolai) April 24 2020 21: 34
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      Quote: Valentine
      And there, you look, our stray "brothers and sisters" will also reach us .....

      No, they got lost so got lost. To trade - yes, joint defense is also yes, but it’s not worth taking the balance of the hungry but proud.
  2. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker April 21 2020 13: 56
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    Putin himself did everything to destroy the USSR, and now he is doing everything so that the USSR does not revive. How was he going to revive the USSR? In Belarus, the state economy is not going to privatize Lukashenko. Kazakhstan defiantly introduced the Latin alphabet, instead of the Cyrillic alphabet. Ukraine and the Baltic states are choking in hatred of Russia. Georgia, and this is after 2008?
    It is necessary to revive socialism and make Russia an economically independent state. And abandon the dollar as a payment currency within the country. This is if in a peaceful way. But it is possible, like the Americans, through color revolutions. But here the gut is in power is thin, and they don’t need it.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) April 21 2020 23: 22
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      abandon the dollar as a payment currency within the country.

      Offer to abandon the most democratic and stable currency ....

      "Save, bullies are losing sight!"

      wassat This is from the realm of incredible fiction, as is the “rebirth”.
    2. Nick Offline
      Nick (Nikolai) April 24 2020 21: 54
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      Quote: steel maker
      Putin himself did everything to destroy the USSR

      fool Putin in 1991 worked in the city administration of St. Petersburg as the head of one of the departments. Prior to that, Putin was on a long-term business trip through the KGB. Do you seriously think that a person with the capabilities of a district-level clerk managed to ruin a 300-million country in six months? Well then, he is super genius and superman.
    3. Igor Aviator Offline
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) April 28 2020 19: 05
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      In response to the steelworker: As a small child - by God! And suggest "print more money and give it to everyone!" Did not try to study?
  3. master3 Offline
    master3 (Vitali) April 21 2020 13: 59
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    ..Kremlya desire to recreate the USSR.

    - nonsense! What is one country that is ready to somehow unite with Russia? There are none, moreover, there are not even allies, with the exception of several economically dependent countries. This can be judged by the results of the vote, regarding the Crimean issue, Russia supported: Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua, Syria, Sudan - this is the new SSSR /.
    Over the past 20 years, Russia has made mainly enemies, even countries loyal to Russia have turned their backs, Belarus is an example of this.
    1. Valentine Offline
      Valentine (Valentin) April 21 2020 16: 19
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      Quote: master3
      Over the past 20 years, Russia has made mainly enemies, even countries loyal to Russia have turned their backs, Belarus is an example of this.

      If Gorbachev hadn’t sold our country to the West, and if he hadn’t brought the 2-million army of GSVG and ZGV from Europe to the Soviet pure winter in winter, then everything would be quiet and smooth, and no Balts and Poles with Romanians would blather, but .... now we have what we have, but keep in mind that our soldier, even at the cost of incredible blood, took (liberated, captured, occupied - as you like) almost all of Europe into his own hands for 45 years.
    2. RusDon Offline
      RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 08: 11
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      master3 (Vitaliy) - why do we need * close * allies ... And what * turned away * - so you think so ...)) To prove to you and your kind is equivalent to explain the Pythagorean theorem to a fly .... It’s one fig on d ... o come out.
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        master3 (Vitali) April 22 2020 11: 42
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        And the fact that * turned away * - so you think so "- well, well, time will tell! And this is not a theorem, but an axiom (if you do not know what it is, read smart books).
    3. Evgeny Popov Offline
      Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) April 24 2020 14: 15
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      If we talk about Belarus, then it is simply insolent. All the acquired “enemies” are mainly interested in the buns of cooperation, and let Russia retain its responsibilities. This is again Belarus, which, after the start of the sanctions, turned into an exporter of seafood.
  4. Gato Negro Offline
    Gato Negro (Gato Negro) April 21 2020 14: 02
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    An amazing thing, the author wrote a lot of beautiful and seemingly correct ones, but as Stirlitz reasoned, the most important thing in the end. Here the author was revealed in all its glory:

    Naturally, any union, including interstate, should be built on mutual interests and benefits. However, the situation where Russia provides someone with unprecedented preferences and discounts, for example, with energy supplies, and in response hears painful complaints about “infringement of sovereignty” and all new demands and claims, is unacceptable. The leadership of our country in any kind of alliance created in the "post-Soviet" space is a priori determined by its greatest economic and military power. And also, if you like, succession from the USSR, which other republics abandoned.

    Firstly, the union is equal, it means equitable. And the weakest has exactly the same rights as the strongest, otherwise it is something else. For starters, Russia needs to decide what it wants from the Union, and then offer it. So far, it all looks like expansion and nothing more, though wrapped in a beautiful wrapper. These eternal moans about the feeding of Belarus. Do not feed, what are you all whining, just do not feed everything. And if given, do not reproach. And the second is the succession of the USSR. In Russia, it’s in the corner that my slippers laughed. What kind of Russia rightfully accepted from the USSR? I distributed the debts. Well done, and she buried everything else safely. They would be ashamed of the boarded up mausoleum on May 9, even if they had left this smallness, it was from the USSR. I am generally silent about ideology. With such a policy, as Russia is now behaving, not see it as an alliance with the former union republics, like a donkey of its own ears.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) April 21 2020 23: 37
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      Firstly, the union is equal, it means equitable.

      For a long time no one wants to be equal. Everyone wants to be incomprehensible from what "independent", because they immediately begin to look for sponsors and / or investors or bosses.
    2. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 00: 51
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      ... it means EQUAL. And the weakest has exactly the same rights as the strongest.

      Are you really so naive that you believe that, for example, in the European Union, each country has an equal number of votes in the European Parliament (and therefore equal opportunities to advance its national interests)?
      Then, in your opinion, not to see Europe as the future, as a donkey of your own ears?
    3. Evgeny Popov Offline
      Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) April 24 2020 14: 20
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      The main thing is not to confuse your "equality" with permissiveness.
  5. Alexander Semenov (Alexander Semenov) April 21 2020 15: 35
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    The only economic space that the Russian Federation can master is the CIS countries, and its products are not needed anywhere else. This was understandable for a long time, for which only integration ... It is time to learn how to live first of all for your citizens, and not build friendships on the basis of economic supply and concessions for neighbors.
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    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 21 2020 15: 55
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    Эта территория всегда стремилась быть или в Союзе племен, или под одним началом. Это и Скифы, и Золотая Орда, и Российская империя. А присоединять бывших "сестер" нужно исходя из опыта ФРГ по присоединению ГДР. Цитируя Мюллера -

    In 5 minutes. And without any tricks.
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado April 21 2020 16: 59
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      111. Посмотрите на карту Московского княжества 15 века, а потом расскажете про его "территорию", которая там куда-то типа стремилась.
      222. Присоединить "сестер" по образцу ГДР навряд ли получится. Времена не те.
      333. И присоединять их незачем. Разве что если потом тащить на своем горбу. Но и горб-то совсем немощный:(
      1. RusDon Offline
        RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 08: 16
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        Now look at the new map ... and what do you see? FROM Kaliningrad to Vladivostok from North to South - WHAT ARE THE TERRITORY))) The main thing, Julio, what the Principality of Moscow was striving for, no one else will ever do .... You are so nervous, you already put the numbers.
        1. Xuli (o) Tebenado April 22 2020 12: 45
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          111. And what do you (me) from that territory? - Nothing.
          There, in some places, a clear population decline from a "good life".
          222. Yes, yes. This can only happen in Africa: to have in the bowels the entire periodic table and 20 million beggars.
          333. I set the numbers for the wretched, with three convolutions, one of which is an old trace from the cap.
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            RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 12: 54
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            Julio, I understand that you have such a * job * .. The main thing, Julio, that you know Russian and it’s not bad ... The team sends you greetings ... they say that you don’t disappear at all .. Write, talk .. .
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      andrew42 (Andrei) April 21 2020 17: 26
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      Чтобы кого-то "присоединять", нужно иметь что от себя предложить. Что современная Россия может предложить народу Беларуси? - Променять Батькин "государственный капитализм" на "народное достояние" в виде российского буржуйского олигархата? Или, чисто гипотетически, предложить украинцам своих расейских буржуев вместо нынешних киевских нешефтмахеров? Это раз. Во-вторых, надо трезво смотреть, с какими ребятами собрались "единство" учреждать: с той же нынешней Украиной с "бандеровщиной головного мозга", в лучшем случае получим "а нас-то за что" и "Россия нам должна...". Смешно отправляться в путь с товарищем, у которого непорядок с головой.
      1. Evgeny Popov Offline
        Evgeny Popov (Evgeny Popov) April 24 2020 14: 24
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        Can offer a market. And what can Belarus offer, besides its cushioning location? Seafood export?
    3. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 00
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      Only here is an example of some kind of not very successful for you) 5 minutes, say?) Germany for 30 years has not been able to "digest the swallowed piece" (GDR). West German workers are still swearing and deducting the so-called “solidarity tax” (Solidaritätszuschlag) to the lands of the former GDR.
      By the way, do not explain who Muller is?
  7. Xuli (o) Tebenado April 21 2020 16: 03
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    I don’t understand why some of them got so excited and seriously discuss the obvious stupidity that the long-playing guarantor froze.
    So he only said a lot of these nonsense over the past 2 months, and there is no need to discuss each so long. I think that any normal person, if for 15 years only communicated with his servants, a press secretary and occasionally with disguised and disguised officers of the FSO under the guise of “ordinary people,” he would say and think exactly the same. He would have forgotten about rubles and thousands, would have operated only with lard-trillions, and a lam tree would have seemed like a fabulous luxury, cheap %% of which must certainly be taxed almost 2 years after the fight against the epidemic.
    1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 10
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      Yesterday I praised Alexander (the author) for the fact that he did not leave Ukrainian cardiologists without work, but I realized that I had not praised him. He also will not let your psychiatrists die a starvation!))
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      RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 08: 20
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      Well, oh, oh, you write like a long-playing ... Yes, calm down ... we don’t need * to open * our eyes on what is happening .. We will figure it out ourselves ... By the way, Julio, God forbid war - pity for Europeans and compatriots escaping will not be ...... for sure.
      1. Xuli (o) Tebenado April 22 2020 12: 50
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        You would have to learn a native language. I hope this is still Russian.
        And it’s hard to read your nonsense, illiterate nonsense - even more so.
        1. RusDon Offline
          RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 13: 02
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          Тааак.... нервничаете... Я пишу на русском языке. Так, чтобы вы понимали, как вам легче воспринимать написанное... Вы обидчивый и легкоранимое существо с манией непризнанного человечка... Вы еще начните показывать мои грамматические ошибки.... Сложно читать бред? Очень понимаю... что вам нечем, но всё ж попробуйте понять, пожалуйста))
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    cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 21 2020 19: 22
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    ... "phobias before the return of the Soviet Union" in its former republics are a thing of the past.

    Overheated former comrade and a real colonel!
    Balts, Ukraine, Georgia - phobic and more! Azerbaijan, Armenia - without a phobia, but also without desire. Asian, with their padishahs, not in life! Remains Belarus and the Donbass. Yes, and there are options ...
    So, the West, perhaps, flinched aloud from such thoughts, but really understands that this is nonsense.
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      kriwo.alek (Alex) April 21 2020 23: 23
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      You are mistaken. No nonsense. Whoever wants to enter. Do not forget yet that the "free-will", so the choice is theirs. But God forbid they find themselves on the other side of the trenches. There will be no mercy.
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        Bitter (Gleb) April 21 2020 23: 42
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        God forbid they find themselves on the other side of the trenches.

        If you look at all this in the projection of the Great Patriotic War, then I'm sorry, of course, but the "trench" of Russia has somehow been empty for the last thirty years.
        1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 18
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          Comrade Peshkov (Gorky, as I understand it - is this your pseudonym?), Do not forget, Putin said one interesting thing not so long ago:

          Russia will no longer repeat the mistakes of the past and will not wage war on its territory.

          So, apparently, others will have to fill the trenches.
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            Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 09: 29
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            No, unfortunately, I'm not Peshkov, we also have a lot of disagreements with him. But to some extent I am even flattered by the fact that you confuse me with him.

            ... will not repeat the mistakes of the past ...

            And why repeat, you can still make many new, unique and unparalleled in history. At the moment, there is no need, and there is no one to wage war on your territory, you can, in the old fashion, "brawl" get into trouble, checked and works flawlessly.
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            Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 09: 34
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            Are you talking about Rosguard?
            Well, it seems that the principle, “beat your own so that others are afraid,” has not been canceled.
            1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 09: 39
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              And you also rank the fifth column as “your own”? (This is about the "Rosguard").
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                Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 10: 05
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                The real fifth column is untouchable.
                And all these so-called "non-systemic oppositions", it is more like a medial-noise show, consisting mostly of immature youthful maximalists who are simply used by muddy uncles for murky purposes. This is where the public should be engaged in preventive work, and not build "fences".
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              RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 09: 55
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              You are not * your *)))) And yes, you must always beat like you ....
              Хотя, если бы вы жили в РФ...а так или Ukrainian, или беженка из *тоталитарного путинского рЫжЫму*, живущий в демократической стране).
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                Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 10: 51
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                you must always beat you like ....

                Bichiyo defines consciousness? Not very smart, agree.

                refugee from * totalitarian Putin ryzhYmu *

                If he was a refugee, then certainly not from the "regime", but rather from "modelessness", from a sense of defenselessness against tyranny and his impunity, nepotism, corruption, fraud and other "lawlessness".
                What is the difference between "Doputinsky" and "Putin's" for mere mortals? And what will be the "post-Putin"?
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                  RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 12: 30
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                  Hmm .... most importantly, you agreed that you are a refugee .... And then, what is the difference to you, what and how is happening with us? You already live in the light of democracy, everything is fine with you ... What is the difference between something and something, it’s not very interesting for me personally to tell you ... She is a refugee, she is a refugee - she goes to where it is easier - even knowing that then you have to turn back to the receiving side ... Good luck!
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                    Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 23: 21
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                    Hmm .... most importantly, you agreed ...

                    Yes, I generally for any kipish, except for a hunger strike. I just do not know how to humiliate myself and do not want to give bribes.

                    ...Good luck to you!

                    So you and the same end and there.
    2. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 05
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      But it’s already pleasant that even you were persuaded to no longer consider Donbass to be the territory of Ukraine. As you can see, you are also not completely hopeless!)
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    boriz (boriz) April 21 2020 22: 20
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    Marzhetsky (Sergey) March 8, 2020 07:51

    Quote: boriz

    This is parting with the liberals and the IMF, the formation of the USSR 2.0 (in the version without national republics, only the province), the beginning of the formation of the currency zone. Then the main work will move to the supranational level. Then someone else will sit in the Russian Federation, and Putin will be in charge of the Russian zone of responsibility.

    Where did you get this? By the way, when do you intend to say goodbye to your liberal friends in the government of GDP, by your logic?
    This is an article.

    https://topcor.ru/13484-gubitelnyj-hod-putin-otkazalsja-vozglavit-gossovet.html#comment

    Gradually, gradually ...
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    kriwo.alek (Alex) April 21 2020 23: 19
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    If someone still does not understand, then as I can, I explain. The USSR has sunk into oblivion and there is no return to it (they do not go back with heels). Putin wants the best that was in the USSR and what the damned capitalists have in their arsenal and create a completely new system. I call him real Socialism. Something is already being done in this direction. This is a future amended constitution. No wonder the West and our liberals howled. They are well aware that this will be the beginning of a NEW ERA.
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      cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 21 2020 23: 38
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      They are well aware that this will be the beginning of a NEW ERA.

      The offer is not finished. It should be like this:

      They are well aware that this will be the beginning of a NEW ERA. It will be a dictatorship with a human face !!!

      - (you understand with whose face). Why not? Socialism with its “everything for the good of man” was Capitalism with a human face now, but what wasn’t, it’s North Korea with 1/6 of the land.
      1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 24
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        Do you want to help Sev. Korea take 1/6 of sushi ?? And they can. They can, for example, really land on the territory of the North. America’s 6 millionth landing, and to cut out there all the helpless thick-walled hamburger-eating tribe, while their army is "scattered" around the world.
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          cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 22 2020 01: 46
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          Do you want to help Sev. Korea take 1/6 of sushi?

          Nah, you want to recreate the USSR on 1/6 land! And repeat the North Korean regime, but with the Russian language.
          1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 57
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            I want to recreate that?)) Are you out of your mind? Do you have hallucinations? Where did I write that I want to recreate something? Do you have any pathological phobias about Sev. Korea and 1/6 sushi. And by the way, if you are so disgusted with the Russian language, so write here already in your read language. Or are you embarrassed about your belonging to her?
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              cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 22 2020 02: 04
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              Or are you embarrassed about your belonging to her?

              Absolutely not!
              My English is much better, then your Russian - you make too many mistakes. Shame on you!!!
              1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 02: 09
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                Ridiculous) And how do you know Russian. From anger learned?)))
              2. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 02: 17
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                English is your own primitive, you can score in one place. You should be ashamed that you dishonor the name of your mother, who gave you life, and taught you her language. Great Russian Language, and not that canine, which you are so proud of there. By the way, the phrase is not very intelligent, which you squeezed out of yourself here.
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                  RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 08: 29
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                  So he lives on a joke.

                  - Ivan, and let's stir up the Maidan in Moscow!
                  - What for, Mikola?
                  - We’ll burn tires, we’ll sleep through Sakhalin, we’ll arrange a war in the Caucasus ...
                  - No I do not want.
                  - This is because you are a zombie, a slave and you hate everything Ukrainian!
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            RusDon (Igor) April 22 2020 08: 26
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            cmonman (Гарик Мокин).....Вам не нравится русский язык?
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              cmonman (Garik Mokin) April 22 2020 16: 12
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              Do you not like Russian?

              Very like! But I like the quote from Lenin, which I want to repeat in honor of his birthday. Lenin said:

              Learn English - a source of knowledge!

              And after a pause he added:

              And money too.

              That embodied his slogan / appeal and have what I have ...!
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      Bitter (Gleb) April 21 2020 23: 54
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      Of course, because the country has long known all the real (heaven) residents, "real socialism" in person. Even more than that, they have all been living in “real communism” for a long time. good

      beginning of a NEW ERA.

      Is it like free medicine?
      1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 01: 28
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        ... is it like free medicine? ..

        Want to compare with paid? Give a good example (only, please, with numbers .. well, as it is fashionable today: the number of infected, the number of dead, the number of recovered. Table - To the studio!)
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          Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 09: 45
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          I do not mean the current situation, right now the healthcare system is probably getting the injections that should have taken place a long time ago. tongue
          Otherwise, I would describe it so if you want to ride our taxi, come with your gasoline.
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            And who is to blame for the fact that in the 90s everything that was created over several decades was destroyed? Now these decades are again needed for recovery.
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              Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 11: 00
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              And who is to blame

              No one is to blame, there you can’t poke anything in the “nineties,” everywhere there are only national heroes and great statesmen and icebreakers.
              It (the system) itself “fell apart”, it was just them (the heroes ...) who had to lean back in some chairs and at some posts and just do nothing for some time, or sometimes do something “contrary” and that’s all.
              The invisible hand of the market and import experts have ruined everything.
              1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 11: 12
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                Well, it may be so, but then, following your logic, the "invisible hand of the market" has its detrimental effect on all medicine in general? Then, after all, does free medicine have at least the advantage of its general availability?
                In addition, paid medicine, despite its apparent effectiveness, today is nothing but a commonplace means of making money. But then the goal of paid medicine is not to treat, but just the opposite: to make sure that patients are not transferred. After all, a healthy person does not earn much money. Hence the doctrine of paid medicine itself, not to warn, and not even to heal, but to “cure”.
                Or am I wrong?
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                  Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 11: 30
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                  following your logic, does the “invisible hand of the market” have a detrimental effect on all medicine in general?

                  Definitely, medicine is an auxiliary and very important subsystem, but it should not bring “margin”, be a means of making money and self-finance.

                  After all, a healthy person does not earn much money.

                  The state earns on a healthy person, and it must control and finance it.
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                  2. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 12: 01
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                    We have come to a common denominator that free medicine, even in not its best condition, but with a distinct doctrine aimed at helping the patient, is still more effective than paid, developed, but not accessible to everyone medicine, besides with it marginal orientation.
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                      Bitter (Gleb) April 22 2020 23: 35
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                      It is.
                      But the matter was, in principle, not about medicine, I just figuratively took it, as a model on the way to the “new era” of window dressing and fraud.
                      In appearance (by law) it’s free and all of it is “transparent”, but dig a little further - and everything immediately looks completely different.
                      1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 23: 50
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                        Yes, I understand what you mean.
                        But even if you dig, the basic principle of free medicine is preserved by its doctrine - to help.
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                        Bitter (Gleb) April 23 2020 00: 11
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                        Paid medicine has the same doctrine - to help, but any whim for your money.
                        У государственной реально бесплатной - помочь лекарственными, техническими средствами и специалистами соответствующего уровня, то бишь вылечить недуг бесплатно.
                        A system of state control and regulation is necessary in both systems, if everything is set aside for "self-regulation", the case is a trumpet.
                      3. Dear sofa expert. April 23 2020 00: 13
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                        .. In paid medicine, the same doctrine is to help.

                        - really, believe it?)
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                        Bitter (Gleb) April 23 2020 09: 26
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                        Naturally, it depends on the regulator, legislation and the ability of the state to monitor the implementation of laws.
                    2. Dear sofa expert. April 23 2020 00: 18
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                      I directly imagined before my eyes the heroic appearance of a German doctor fighting for my sore: “.. You lie, you won’t take it! Let it be worse, but I’ll cure this guy !! Hold on guy, I will do everything so that you and I never see each other again! ”))) It’s already become fun.
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                      Bitter (Gleb) April 23 2020 09: 45
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                      Directly imagined ...

                      What is your last name? In Germany, as elsewhere, there are specialists who can, can and do, and there are those who have only a certificate and can assist as much as possible.

                      Let me be worse ..

                      Why it must necessarily get worse, it’s not at the expense of a personal resource that heals. And due to knowledge, skills and available technologies.

                      I will do everything...

                      Naturally, this medicine is simply obliged to do. Everything should be done, and if he can’t do it himself, he will make a referral to a more specialized doctor, and so on according to the court, up to the hospital. Of course, you can immediately go to the hospital with every scuff, but this is stupid. Well, of course, the path to a good specialist will not grow. At least for paid, at least for free.
              2. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 23: 53
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                At least an honest diagnosis will be made, and this is already a lot.
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    vvnab (Vitali) April 23 2020 00: 00
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    But Putin wants the best that was in the USSR and what the damned capitalists have, to adopt and create a completely new system. I call him real Socialism.

    This your "new socialism" will be about the same as the "communism" built in the USSR in the 80s. The same fiction, an idea turned inside out, a mockery ...
    And everything will end exactly the same. Only now that margin of safety that was in the USSR is now gone. All hope that the new Bolsheviks will come. Yes, but now they are not visible yet ...
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    vvnab (Vitali) April 22 2020 23: 48
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    This is the beginning of the end. Elites are absolutely inadequate to the current moment.
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    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) April 28 2020 19: 11
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    Quote: master3
    not even allies

    Most importantly, Russia has three allies: the Army, the Navy and the VKS! And this, as history proves, is enough.
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    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) April 28 2020 19: 21
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    All hope that the new Bolsheviks will come.

    Запомните РАЗ и НАВСЕГДА: любая революция вершится романтиками - но(!), её плодами ВСЕГДА пользуются исключительно негодяи! Кроме того, общество, пережившее революцию, всегда в своём развитии оказывается отброшенным на много десятилетий назад. Цена за возвращение на прежний уровень развития - многие-многие жизни. Не думаю, что следует обращать внимание на слова провокатора - "сталевара". Стремлением раскачать ситуацию, и хуля Россию, он отрабатывает гонорар.
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    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) April 28 2020 19: 38
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    Quote: Bitter
    Paid medicine has the same doctrine - to help, but any whim for your money.

    And no! Paid medicine, like any BUSINESS, has one goal (and doctrine): getting MAXIMUM PROFIT! Why are there so many deaths in the US? Because the price of treatment exceeds $ 80000. And the vast majority of patients simply can not afford to recover! And all interest (and philanthropy with higher values) to the patient disappear completely with the loss of his solvency. Up to FORCED euthanasia by disconnecting from life support devices (darkness is an example of this!)
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      Bitter (Gleb) 3 May 2020 19: 41
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      An epidemic is a large-scale catastrophe within the state and no medical system can cope with it, neither paid nor free.
      This is a national task requiring the mobilization of many or even almost all state resources, including army resources (if necessary and required by law).
      Why are there so many deaths in the US?
      Of course, not because they have a paid system, rather look for social roots. For example, many people do not consider / whether it is necessary to defend themselves and somehow limit themselves in their freedoms, some because of carelessness, others because of illiteracy, stubbornness or hopelessness and so on ... Somehow.
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    Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) April 28 2020 19: 46
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    Quote: Bitter
    The invisible hand of the market and import experts have ruined everything

    By "experts" do you mean employees of the US State Department and the CIA and MI-6? And the "hands" are not entirely "invisible" - it would not hurt to chop them off, and to put their owners on a stake - it would be fair!
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      Bitter (Gleb) 3 May 2020 19: 23
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      - it would be fair!

      These "hands" consciously and prudently led the "citizen" Yeltsin Boris Nikolaevich. He ordered them, brought them, allowed them to work, and encouraged them in every way. Advisers of all stripes from the State Department, the US CIA and MI6, brought to Russia, at the invitation of the president and his gang, "knowledge of democracy", and exported exclusively hard currency with "suitcases."
      In fairness, in memory of the best democrat of all democrats, they built a Center, a museum, established a fund, property and descendants were given immunity and God still knows that we don’t even know about. request