“Russia is no more!”: What the Americans did 100 years ago in the Far East


US Army soldiers pace the streets of Vladivostok


Exactly 100 years ago - in April 1920, an event happened, let's say, not too widely covered in Russian historiography. The last American invaders have been removed from our land. Yes, yes - it is the occupiers and the Americans.

Today, as never before, it is perhaps important to fill the gap that exists in the knowledge of many compatriots regarding the shocking details of the events that took place then. The crimes committed on the territory of Russia by those who have been trying for centuries to present themselves as its “benefactors” are so terrible that they cannot have a “statute of limitations”, and the motives and intentions that underlie their aggressive plans, alas, remain relevant and this day.

“Russia is gone and never will be!”


Why is so little written and written about the cruelties and terror that were committed in Russia in 1918-1920 by illegally invading warriors on its territory under a star-striped flag? To find the answer to this question, you must first recall political conjuncture of various periods of the existence of the USSR and the subsequent time. At the time of Comrade Stalin, remembering the United States their war crimes was somehow not at hand - at first during the period of industrialization, when the Americans, albeit forced (the Great Depression forced), helped the Soviet Union create the necessary industrial facilities for it. Not disinterestedly, in any case, but for very substantial amounts in gold and hard currency, but they helped. Then Joseph Vissarionovich began, as usual, to become impudent, the Yankees from the country quickly put up, but then the Great Patriotic War began. The anti-Hitler coalition, the Lend-Lease (on which the United States, again, profited from the bottom of their hearts), the "second front" ... In a word, the "allies" are almost brothers in arms. Presumably, in the mid-50s, when Joseph Vissarionovich finally understood the true aspirations and plans for the USSR, Washington and London, after which he set out to deal with them "in full", the Anglo-Saxons would recall that distant intervention. However, Stalin was brought to light, and Khrushchev, who replaced him, was, contrary to many of his own declarations, an Americanophile much cleaner than Gorbachev. In subsequent years, including even the Cold War, the topic also somehow didn’t come up much - there were plenty of reasons for swearing without it. Well, even in the crazy and cursed times of the "perestroika", just like right after it, stuttering about something like that at all became fraught. Anyone who dares to question the righteousness of the “great and infallible USA” and the sincerity of their love for our country, not to blather about some kind of “crimes” of their citizens against Russians, would be devoured alive: “I swung at the sacred, you bastard! "

What is surprising if to this day there are holy fools in our Fatherland who continue to idiot about the fact that “without the help of Lend-Lease, we would not have won the Great Patriotic War in life” and repeat such nonsense. What can I say if even among the rare publications on the events of 1918-1920 that are found literally now on Russian resources, there are those whose authors undertake to claim that the Americans raging in Siberia "used force exclusively for self-defense and putting things in order." Well, we will remember this egregious nonsense, and somewhat below we will consider more than concrete examples of this very "self-defense". In the meantime, let's talk about how, why and why the Americans ended up on Russian soil with weapons in their hands a century ago. As you know, the official reason for the foreign invasion was proclaimed the conclusion by Soviet Russia of the Brest Peace with Germany and its withdrawal from the First World War. This is all, of course, a lie, and the most unscrupulous thing is to divide our land into "spheres of influence", and, in fact, "cut" the real occupation zones, the "allies" from the Entente began in December 1917 years at a meeting on relevant issues in Paris. At the same time, the United States, as usual, hypocritically declaring its own “neutrality in the Russian question”, built more than concrete plans. The most frank of all, perhaps, was the representative from the state of Washington, Miles Poindexter, who said about them in the US Senate, who stated that “Russia has turned from the state into a geographical concept and will never be anything else. The Russians, as a united nation, no longer exist! ” His colleague, Senator Sherman, openly offered to think about what benefits Siberia could provide for “great America,” with its “mineral wealth, fat pastures, and wheat fields.”

Support democracy and rob at the same time


It has long been known - if the US army has stumbled on any pretext somewhere - whether it was “establishing democracy,” “supporting the Allies,” “securing peace,” or any other tuneful lie, it actually came to ensure the most shameless and a desperate robbery imaginable. In Washington, they initially aimed at the innumerable riches of Russian Siberia and the Far East, considering that the British were busy with the sheer icy hell of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, and we would take better. In any case, it was precisely at this time that the US ambassador to Russia, David Francis, called for precisely such a “section of the pie”. No, the Yankees also sent their soldiers to Arkhangelsk, just in case — the Polar Bear Expeditionary Force, numbering 5 and a half thousand people, formed from members of the 339th Infantry Regiment. Bears from the Americans turned out, frankly, to be useless - out of about a hundred invaders who did not survive a trip to the Russian North, most of them were bent from frosts and sores, and only a smaller part - from the bullets of local partisans. In American Troy in Michigan, to this day there is a pompous monument to these bastards in the form of, again, not involved in any occupation of a white bear. However, as already mentioned, the main forces of the US Army (about 10 thousand people, there are fewer American soldiers in Afghanistan) landed at the opposite end of our land as part of the Siberia Expeditionary Force. They were commanded by a whole General William Graves. The composition of the occupation gang was quite serious: the 27th and 31st infantry regiments of the US Army, soldiers from the 13th and 62nd regiments, a military hospital, units of engineering troops and communications units. Moreover, the Americans did not come to an empty place, but to prepared and created positions ahead of time.

The following paragraph is especially recommended for thoughtful reading to gentlemen who like to twist about the fact that the Bolsheviks, they say, "squandered and destroyed Russia," and the "democratic forces" they overthrew, which mean the Provisional Government and the nimbly "heroes of the White Movement," our Fatherland wanted to save and save. So - such extremely interesting offices as the Russian Railway Service and the Russian Railway Service Corps, whose sole purpose was to establish complete control over the Trans-Siberian Railway, were created by the United States with the lively participation, support and assistance of both times of "temporary" scoundrels and personally their leader Kerensky. If we take into account that the US State Department was planning a total robbery of the occupied region (it was planned to export at least 200 thousand tons of various cargoes from a quarter!), Then this step seems quite logical and well thought out. No, Mr. Woodrow Wilson, who was the host of the White House at that time, assured with the most honest air that the American guys in the Far East and Siberia would "help promote democracy and ensure the self-determination of these regions." Well, yes - in addition to “protect the investments of the United States”, but gentlemen, the right, real trifles ... It is clear what specific “trifles” were discussed, judging from the volumes of impudently stolen goods in Russia that the Yankees did take out of the country. The main objects of “export”, of course, were gold, furs, ore, forests. However, the occupiers did not disdain and everything else - only one of the American companies that connected to the robbery sent tens of thousands of cattle and sheep skin from Vladivostok, and tens of tons of wool. The government of Admiral Kolchak (whom some blessed ones are now trying to classify as “Russian rescuers”) in exchange for credit lines from City Bank and other financial institutions of the USA, which are vital for him to “fight Bolshevism”, granted the occupiers complete freedom of “entrepreneurial activity” »In the territory controlled by him. That is - it created the most favored nation treatment for the plunder of Russian wealth.

"Fun of the American Savages"


The definition I made in the headline is not “red propaganda” at all, but the headline of a newspaper (never a Bolshevik one) that appeared in Vladivostok when the US military contingent was there. I’ll make a reservation — at that moment, most of the region’s publications were secretly or explicitly financed by the main competitors of the Americans - the Japanese, who intended to settle in the Far East in earnest and for a long time. By virtue of this, the "free press" just "drenched" the Yankees with all care. However, citing completely genuine facts. How would it be milder to characterize the behavior of American warriors on Russian soil? To hell with political correctness! They behaved there as complete and completely finished cattle. Messages about it - the mass. That brave American guys, after filling their eyes to a pigskin state, break into a local coffee house and, ineptly trying to swear in Russian, disperse everyone, because they wanted to roll a little game on billiards without a society of "dirty natives." Then they crouch into a certain cultural center, where at first they simply dance in dance with all the females, and then, during the performance that begins, they sit down “in an American way”, placing their own paws in boots on the backs of chairs in front of the sitting ones. At the same time, they loudly declare to the entire audience that they "spit on everything Russian, on stupid local customs and laws," after which they completely make a brawl with massacre. However, these are not the most egregious examples. Those same Americans, riding in a cab (drunk to smithereens, as usual) had fun, clinging to passers-by. Having found themselves in trouble nearby, several deputies of the City Duma dared to make a remark to them and demand to stop the disgrace. Enraged Yankees immediately, at gunpoint, beat them half to death. The Americans also list the long list of the most heinous criminal activity - robberies, robberies, rapes and murders in the same Vladivostok, Khabarovsk and other places. Local residents quickly learned - their patrols on the street are better off not getting caught, neither in the daytime, nor even in the dark.

I completely intentionally began this part of the story with a story about what the US military did in the places where the “citizens of free Russia” that they “protected” lived. Going on to the story of what they did during regular punitive raids against the “red bandits”, I recommend it exclusively to readers with fairly strong nerves. It is clear that invaders, invaders, aggressors never in history have behaved with the population of conquered (as they believed) territories neither culturally, nor correctly, nor in compliance with any laws. Always and everywhere they did violence, evil and cruelty. However, there are limits beyond which, even in the actions of soldiers who have come to a foreign land, absolutely terrible horror and savagery begin. So - Americans have surpassed all conceivable and unthinkable limits many times. The peasants, suspected of "complicity with the partisans," they did not just shoot or hang (although they did it, and on a massive scale), but more often they killed it in unthinkable sadistic ways. The villagers Gonevchuk, Gorshkov, Oparin, Murashko were buried alive in the ground. A more detailed description of the atrocities of Americans is simply unacceptable for moral and ethical reasons. Myasnikov was dealt with by the partisan, having quartered him. Often the settlements in which the "partisans" seemed to be the Americans, they simply surrounded and began to shoot from all trunks, and then they set fire to it exactly as the Nazis and their minions Khatyn subsequently set fire to. So it was with the village of Little Cape, the villages of Kharitonovka, Knevichi, Krolevets and many others. I won’t even write about what these nonhumans did with local women - everyone can google, preferably on an empty stomach. By the way, the Internet is full and quite high-quality images on this subject. The American "civilizers" simply adored taking pictures against the backdrop of their own victims - executed, hanged, tortured Russian people. In the same way as their Hitler "colleagues" did twenty years later. They were no different from the Nazi executioners, absolutely nothing ...

But the Yankees, unlike the Germans, did not know how to fight at all - even with the somewhat armed and untrained local partisans. The relatively small combat losses of the expeditionary force (of the order of two hundred people) are solely due to the fact that the American army all driven to the Far East avoided collisions with a real enemy in the most diligent manner, preferring to scoff at the civilian population. According to historians, in battles even with small partisan detachments, as a rule, they were beaten in the most disgraceful way. The most interesting thing is that such savage tactics just gave rise to a powerful guerrilla movement in those parts, which in the end was brave of all the invaders and their puppets. The Siberians and the inhabitants of the Far East, who initially perceived Soviet power, very mildly speaking, without any enthusiasm, became enraged and began to clatter how much in vain both the Americans, and the Japanese, and the Belochekhs, and Kolchakites. And it’s not at all for the sake of the ideas of the “world proletarian revolution”, and therefore, how horny they are worse than the bitter radish and human blood shed without measure. By the end of 1919, the Yankees realized it was time to take their legs off before they killed everyone. In April 1920, the last ship under a star-striped flag, stuffed with rapists, executioners and looters, set sail from the Russian coast.

Any attempt (and they have been and are being undertaken periodically to this day) to obscure, shut up these events, and even more so - to find some kind of "explanation" or "justification" for them, is nothing more than a crime against the historical memory of the Russian people. And also - mockery of the victims of this aggression, one of those that were committed and are being performed today under a star-striped flag. Americans never fought with Russia? Didn’t they kill Russians, didn’t burn Russian houses, didn’t trample Russian fields? All this is a blatant lie. And it is aimed solely at making possible the repetition of the nightmare we remembered today of a hundred years ago.
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  1. steelmaker Online
    steelmaker April 18 2020 10: 03
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    Kurginyan also tried to raise this topic. And after that, he was hardly invited to a TV show. Therefore, the author runs the risk of writing about the atrocities of Americans. Our nation does not have natural kindness. All other nations and countries of their enemies and tormentors never spare. And we need to learn to destroy our enemies and not to spare the vanquished. Only then in Russia will peace come for centuries !!!
  2. Yevgeny Mikhailov (Vyacheslav Plotnikov) April 18 2020 11: 09
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    Quite by chance, the emblem of "United Russia" is the same polar bear on four legs, traveling from West to East. Quite by chance, 1200 advisers worked with the "Yeltsin team" in the early 90s of the last century ..
    Clinton said then by chance and without thinking: "... we got a RAW APPENDIX not destroyed by the war" (emphasized by me, not verbatim).
    Are we tired of paying them with raw materials, money, human resources? Is everything okay?
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 18 2020 12: 07
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    In fact, both the Japanese and the white atrocities even more.
    It got to the point that, fleeing the Japanese and the whites, the population fled to the amers for protection. Despite their mess, robbery and drunkenness.
    There are articles about this both in HE and in other resources.

    But! It’s like capitalism now, and some misunderstanding with Japan, so about whites and yapes - no, no .....
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 18 2020 13: 33
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      You still forgot about the red terror.
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 18 2020 13: 43
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    but then the Great Patriotic War began. The anti-Hitler coalition, the Lend-Lease (on which the United States, again, profited from the bottom of its heart), the "second front" ...

    Can a respected author explain to me how the USA "profited from the bottom of its heart" on Lend-Lease if weapons and materials lost and expended during the war were not payable? That is, it was supplied free of charge. I mean for nothing.
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 18 2020 14: 06
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      This is not necropic. Everything is exactly like that for him. You may not ask for an explanation.

      PS The Red Terror in the article on VO did not compare with Amer.
      But surely, dissatisfied fled from him to the amers.
      1. Dear sofa expert. April 19 2020 18: 15
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        Did you run away to the amers before you became a victim of red terror, or are you still out of luck, and you are his “product”?)
        1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
          Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 19 2020 22: 43
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          This, apparently, you write to yourself. Once again, remember that time.
          1. Dear sofa expert. April 19 2020 22: 45
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            And if you don’t remember “that time”, then where is such confidence that you are constantly grinding here?
            1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
              Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 19 2020 22: 58
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              For the dull, I repeat: there have recently been articles on VO. Just on this topic.
        2. Oleg Rambover Offline
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 15: 31
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          Quote: Dear couch expert.
          You ran away to the amers before you became a victim of red terror

          Do you think I'm over 100 years old? Even my grandfather and grandmother were less than three years old. And ask your parents, maybe these terrible Americans treated your ancestors for typhoid in ambulance trains on the Trans-Siberian Railway, which American engineers supported in working condition?
          And the respected Neukropny is wrong, the Americans left Russia not in the year 20, but at 23, when the American aid administration ceased operations.
          Maxim Gorky about the activities of the ARA:

          Your help will be recorded in history as a unique, gigantic achievement worthy of the greatest glory, and will long remain in the memory of millions of Russians ... whom you saved from death.

          But, as you see, there is no prophet in his Fatherland.
    2. Dear sofa expert. April 19 2020 18: 10
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      Are you really so illiterate? On Wikipedia, in all languages ​​of the world, the exact amounts of payments of debts under Lend-Lease are named. Moreover, these debts were repaid (and are repaid to this day) not only by Russia, but also by England, France, China and Iran. The Americans warmed their hands on everyone on whom it was possible.
      Not to mention the fact that it was American banks that in their time financed Germany’s exit from the economic crisis of 24-29 (Dawes Plan). It was with the help of the Americans that a gradual recovery of the economy began, associated with the growth of international trade.

      By 1927, Germany had reached the level of pre-war production, and took the second place in the world after the USA in the total volume of industrial production.

      All this set the stage for Hitler's rise to power. And later, in 1938, Roosevelt himself, with the help of Davis, the oil industry, took care of uninterrupted deliveries of Mexican oil to Germany.

      From June 1938 to September 1939, the Davis Oil Company transported 3 million tons of Mexican oil across the ocean, and more than half to Germany. As a result, before the war, Mexico's share in German oil imports was 20%.

      A major contribution to the supply of Germany with petroleum products was made by American companies Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey, Standard Oil Co. of California, as well as Texaco.
      Learn the mat. part. Sometimes this eliminates the need to write nonsense.
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) April 19 2020 18: 25
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        I agree with you on all points, except, perhaps, one - from the wording that is written with you, we can conclude that the Russian Federation still pays the US lease-lease debts, but this is not so:

        ... After the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation signed bilateral agreements with the former republics on the “zero option”, according to which the Russian Federation assumes all the debts of the USSR. In exchange for this, the former republics of the Soviet Union abandoned the share of USSR assets. So, the second of April 1993, The Russian Federation assumed the debts of the USSR, including commitments under Lend-Lease. Debts were divided into government debts (Paris Club) and debts to banks (London Club). The US Lend-Lease debt was finally paid and closed as part of the settlement with the Paris Club on August 21, 2006. It is reported by Rambler.

        Next:

        https://finance.rambler.ru/business/37972739/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink..."(с)
        1. Dear sofa expert. April 19 2020 22: 49
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          Russia pays or not is a moot point. But the Americans demand money from it, and even a deadline for payment has been set. It seems to be 2030. I once read this. If you have interest, google it. There is enough information.
          1. bear040 Offline
            bear040 April 20 2020 20: 26
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            A few years ago, the Russian Federation paid off the last debts of the USSR for Lend-Lease, so at the moment we are no longer paying.
      2. Oleg Rambover Offline
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 14: 26
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        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        Are you really so illiterate? On Wikipedia, in all languages ​​of the world, the exact amounts of payments of debts under Lend-Lease are named.

        You, like, know how to write, and probably read too. In the same Wick one of the first paragraphs:

        delivered materials (cars, various military equipment, weapons, raw materials, other items) destroyed, lost and used during the war are not subject to payment (Article 5) [3];
        property transferred under Lend-Lease property remaining after the end of the war and suitable for civilian purposes will be paid in full or in part on the basis of long-term loans provided by the United States (mainly interest-free loans);
        in case of interest of the American side, non-destroyed and not lost machinery and equipment should be returned after the war in the USA [3].

        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        The Americans warmed their hands on everyone on whom it was possible.

        From the same wiki

        Thus, according to the United States, it was necessary to pay $ 10,8 billion, or about 1,3%, of the total US Lend-Lease supply of $ 12 billion for the surviving equipment. As a result, the USSR, and then the Russian Federation, of the amount of $ 1,3 billion was recognized, and then partially paid $ 722 million [47] [48], then there is 6,5% of the total value of supplies received by the USSR. Also note that the amount debt was not indexed for inflation, and in prices for 2015, the cost of deliveries under Lend-Lease amounted to $ 160 billion [59].

        Awesomely heated hands, in fact, less than 2% of supplies were paid.

        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        Not to mention the fact that it was American banks that in their time financed Germany’s exit from the economic crisis of 24-29 (Dawes Plan).

        Horror, horror. Imagine, they felt that they didn’t help Germany at that time, and after WWII they helped Germany to recover, so that people like Hitler would not come to power anymore. And at the same time

        “The total value of Soviet orders placed in Germany in 1931 reached a record amount of 919,2 million Reichsmarks. If several important German engineering companies, especially in the field of equipment manufacturing, withstood the depression, and Hitler managed to get them back to work in his quest for re-equipment after 1933, this was solely due to Soviet orders that kept these companies afloat. For example, in the first half of 1932, the USSR purchased 50 percent of pig iron and steel exported by Germany, 60 percent of all earthmoving equipment and dynamos sold abroad, 70 percent of all metalworking machines, 80 percent of cranes and sheet metal, and as much as 90 percent of all steam and gas turbines and steam forging machines that Germany exported. ”

        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        A major contribution to the supply of Germany with petroleum products was made by American companies Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey, Standard Oil Co. of California, as well as Texaco.

        Again horror-horror, only deliveries stopped in September, and you know who replaced them until June 22, 41? And provided its ports for cargo transit to Germany? And for almost two years, a war has been going on and supplies strengthened Germany and weakened the allies.
        1. Dear sofa expert. April 20 2020 15: 52
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          .. but do you know who replaced them until June 22, 41? And provided its ports for cargo transit to Germany? ..

          Who?? Really Sumerians again?))
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 16: 08
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            And ... is it clear everyone was blown away?
            1. Dear sofa expert. April 20 2020 18: 09
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              Yes, there’s no time for me to “talk about” anything with you. Unlike you, I’m not working as a ukrotroll, but in normal work.
            2. Dear sofa expert. April 20 2020 18: 12
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              You know, sitting, and pulling incoherent fragments from the Wikipedia context, you don’t need a lot of talent. And besides this, I haven’t seen anything intelligible from you yet. You are weak compared to some other trolls. It is obvious.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 22 2020 00: 01
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                Quote: Dear couch expert.
                You know, sitting, and pulling incoherent fragments from the Wikipedia context, you don’t need a lot of talent.

                Strange you yourself have sent to Wikipedia, and now your nose is turning. What the hell is the context? All weapons, products, fuel, clothing, etc., used or lost during the war, were not subject to payment under the contract and were not paid by the USSR. For machines, factories, ships, etc., delivered under the Lend-Lease, which could be used in civilian life, payment should have been made after the war. The USSR did not actually pay for this, but the Russian Federation was already paying, and without inflation. That’s the whole context.

                Quote: Dear couch expert.
                And besides this, I haven’t seen anything intelligible from you yet. You are weak compared to some other trolls. It is obvious.

                Well, where am I to you. It’s necessary to refer to Wikipedia, but do not bother to read this article yourself. Bravo.
                As I understand it, which of us is "illiterate" in the history of Lend-Lease, we decided.
                Lose in dispute, lose with dignity, what kind of kindergarten are you setting up here?
                1. Dear sofa expert. April 22 2020 00: 36
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                  Oh, come on) save your primitive populist rhetoric for someone who is even simpler than you).
                  “Illiterate”, “Lend-Lease”), by God, it’s just disgusting to listen to you.
                  All your “deep knowledge” is based precisely on all sorts of “Wikipedia”. Which are actually written often not clear by whom (but quite understandably for whom). And for you - Ukrainians, it is the “Ukrainian” options that are written.) Clear to your brain, so to speak.
                  Do you really want to understand something, and not just troll here with the primitive purpose of "spoiling" (such as revenge for the Crimea?), So read something deeper. On the topic of “Lend-Lease” (and not only) I can recommend you a very informative documentary and journalistic novel by Chakovsky “Victory”. Then maybe (!), Your brain, poisoned by Ukrainian-Russophobic propaganda, will receive an understanding of what actually happened during and after the Second World War.
                  Although, what am I crucifying you here? Or how do they say it? Throw beads before pigs?) Yes, no reason. I am fine.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 22 2020 15: 24
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                    Quote: Dear couch expert.
                    Oh, come on) save your primitive populist rhetoric for someone who is even simpler than you).
                    “Illiterate”, “Lend-Lease”), by God, it’s just disgusting to listen to you.

                    It’s funny if you didn’t notice - it’s your words that are being returned to you.

                    Quote: Dear couch expert.
                    All your “deep knowledge” is based precisely on all sorts of “Wikipedia”. Which are actually written often not clear by whom (but quite understandably for whom).

                    The first one himself referred to Wikipedia, and when he poked his nose into it, he began to arrange dances in a frying pan. Do not like Vick, read historical documents.

                    https://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/almanah/inside/almanah-doc/72080

                    Quote: Dear couch expert.
                    And for you - Ukrainians, it is the “Ukrainian” options that are written.) Clear to your brain, so to speak.

                    Please rave? Firstly, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and live in St. Petersburg.
                    Secondly, you invented all this. Can you demonstrate the difference between Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedia using the example of Lend-Lease? Otherwise, this is balabalism one.

                    Quote: Dear couch expert.
                    On the topic of “Lend-Lease” (and not only) I can recommend you a very informative documentary and journalistic novel by Chakovsky “Victory”.

                    Ahh .... So you study the history of fiction. Then it is clear. Why then did they bind Wikipedia? So they would say that they read in the novel.

                    Quote: Dear couch expert.
                    Then, maybe (!), Your brain, poisoned by Ukrainian-Russophobic propaganda, will receive an understanding of what is actually

                    If someone’s brain is poisoned by Ukrainian, Russian (like some), Mongolian propaganda, or the brain is completely absent as current, this doesn’t cancel the fact that the USSR paid less than $ 10 billion for Lend-Lease resources 50 million and the Russian Federation another 700 million 60 years after the end of the war. Accordingly, the statement of the author of this article that the USA profited from a Lend-Lease is false.

                    Quote: Dear couch expert.
                    Although, what am I crucifying you here? Or how do they say it? Throw beads before pigs?)

                    About beads, how original are you, is this phrase distributed among you like centrally, or something, is it distributed? What the hell beads? Of you, a completely different substance is rushing.
                    Do you yourself understand what you want to say? Do you want to refute the amount of payments or the timing or volume of deliveries? Tell your version of the story, give sources. What do you turn a discussion into a bazaar?
    3. begemot20091 Offline
      begemot20091 (begemot20091) April 19 2020 21: 29
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      What do you mean?

      It was not until 1990 that the parties returned to a discussion of debt. A new loan lease maturity period of 2030 and a final amount of $ 674 million were set. After the collapse of the USSR, Lend-Lease debt was reissued to Boris Yeltsin. ... By 1973, 3 payments were made in the amount of 48 million dollars.
    4. Sapsan136 Offline
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) April 19 2020 22: 15
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      Read about the minesweepers sold in the USSR, which both Britain and the US Navy refused ... Read about the Aerial Cobra, which the British Air Force abandoned because of their low flight characteristics ... And the fact that Soviet pilots successfully fought on Cobra, says that in the USSR there were good pilots who could fly well even on a bad plane ... By the way, a lot of people crashed on Cobra, because of their tendency to fall into a tailspin ... And the M3 mount tanks were General Lee and General Grand received in the USSR the sad nickname BROTHER TOGETHER ON THE SEVEN .... Land Liz paid gold Primer had read, and do not smoke ...
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        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 19 2020 22: 52
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        According to Lend-Lease, now everyone invents what they want.

        In fact:
        1) His debts have already been closed. It seems Putin announced the latest payouts around 2005.
        2) The USSR accounted for 15% of Lend-Lease (England, China, France and others were also there). After the war, they were supposed to pay only about 15% of the balance, but after bidding and scandals they paid somewhere around 15% of this amount.
        And you can’t write off completely in any way - face loss.
        3) Lend-lease was 2-sided - we sent in part trophies for research, before additives to the armor and patents.
        4) That which was not included in the Lend-Lease was paid for with gold, bucks, furs and other things.
      2. Oleg Rambover Offline
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 14: 59
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        Quote: Sapsan136
        Read about minesweepers sold in the USSR, which both Britain and the US Navy refused ...

        And what, they were worse than nothing? If we are talking about the same “AM”, then they themselves crossed the ocean and had a jet bomb, which the USSR did not have in sight. And they were exactly bought?

        Quote: Sapsan136
        Read about the Aerial Cobra, which the British Air Force abandoned due to their low flight characteristics ...

        Well, this is completely ridiculous, like any technique, it had both disadvantages and advantages. Cobras are definitely not the worst fighter of the Red Army. What did Pokryshkin not reach the end of the war on the MIGs?
        And at the same time take an interest in the fate of Pavel Vasilievich Rychagov, and then there were no American planes.

        Quote: Sapsan136
        And the M3 mount tanks General Lee and General Grand received in the USSR the sad nickname BROTHER GRAY ON SEVEN ....

        Again, think he is worse than nothing? In any case, the Soviet representatives chose this technique, do you think there were some enemies of the people doing this?
        And by the way, do you think penicillin was worse than Soviet? Half of the aluminum in Soviet planes was American, how is its quality? A third of gasoline, you think, were superfluous? A third of the shells were supplied with Lendlis explosives, could they do without it?
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          bear040 April 20 2020 20: 52
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          You were not told that they were worse than nothing, but the Yankees sold frankly bad goods to the USSR and sold expensive ... However, the USSR quickly refused to buy M3 tanks from the USA, refused to buy Hurricanes from England and much more, like perfect rubbish, because they were worse than even the pre-war T-28 ... or I-16 type 24 ... YMS minesweepers (in the USSR they fused 43 units) in the anti-submarine version had a Maustrap bomber, which could only scare fish, and not the combat-ready Hedgehog ... AM (34 units), as the minesweepers were a little better than the fishing longboat ... I have I’m not saying that Asdikov wasn’t on them, so there weren’t any anti-submariners ... The MiG is not the worst plane, it crashed on it just less than on the Cobras, but they fly in the army on what they give, and not on what you want ... Aluminum was procured rather for the future, since the USSR industry was not able to process it ... Domestic penicillin was better ... There were enough explosives of its own, there were a lot of different things in the warehouses ... and its production is not among the high-tech ...
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 22 2020 00: 44
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            Quote: bear040
            You were not told that they were worse than nothing, but the Yankees sold frankly bad goods to the USSR and sold expensively ...

            Firstly, they didn’t try, but gave it for nothing.
            Secondly, 500 of them were produced, and the USSR got less than 40, the United States was the main operator.
            Thirdly, they had radar, sonar equipment and an electromagnetic trawl on them, did the USSR have similar minesweepers?
            Comparing Hurricane with I-16 is ridiculous, better compare with MIG-3.

            Quote: bear040
            and not the combat-ready Hedgehog ... AM (34 units), as the minesweepers were a little better than the fishing longboat ... I'm not talking about the fact that Asdikov was not on them, so there were no anti-submarines ...

            I don’t remember exactly how many enemy boats were sunk by our sailors (it’s possible to count on the fingers of one hand), but AM drowned one of them.
            And here it is said that Asdik was to them.

            http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2000-07-28/5_lend.html

            Quote: bear040
            The MiG is not the worst aircraft, it crashed on it exactly less than on the Cobras, but they fly in the army on what they give, and not on what they want ...

            This is a very bold statement, I repeat, take an interest in the story of Pavel Vasilievich Rychagov. As far as I remember, 60% of the Red Army airplanes during the Second World War lost in accidents, given that the share of imported aircraft did not exceed 15%, most fought on domestic cars.

            Quote: bear040
            Aluminum was procured rather for the future, since the industry of the USSR was not able to process it ...

            Have you come up with?

            Quote: bear040
            Domestic penicillin was better ...

            Perhaps better, but the only problem, Soviet penicillin did not exist, the only country during WWII that produced it was the United States.

            Quote: bear040
            There were enough explosives of their own, there were a lot of different kinds of them in the warehouses ... and its production was not among the high-tech ones ...

            Again yourself come up with?
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              bear040 April 24 2020 21: 38
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              You’ll come up with it. You probably dream of Nobel as Judas Gorbachev ...
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                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 25 2020 13: 45
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                Is that all you can do? Sorry.

                Quote: bear040
                You probably dream about Nobel.

                What kind of nonsense? I just don’t like it when they lie and I think that it’s impossible to form a worldview of one’s own world, let alone another’s, on a lie.
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                  bear040 April 28 2020 21: 42
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                  So you are lying here, and not someone else !!!
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                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 29 2020 14: 28
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                    What did I lie to? Can you prove it or just get sick? So far, only the author of the article has come across a lie. And by the way, the USSR after the war under the conditions of Lend-Lease, was supposed to return these minesweepers to the United States, but wanted to redeem them and left them in the Navy. Has the Soviet leadership decided to redeem such a frank d ... how do you describe?
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                      bear040 2 May 2020 11: 46
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                      Why do I need to prove something to the pro-American type who is not really interested in ?! Leave for the USA, if you like it there so much, we don’t need to impose our tastes and turn the Russian Federation into Detroit and New Orleans, we don’t need it !!! I'm sick of your 90s today !!! If the Yankees sold high-quality goods to the USSR, England would not have refused it, which was in great need of minesweepers and fighters, but the British Air Force categorically preferred to refuse flying coffins, such as Aerocobra !!!
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                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 May 2020 15: 11
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                        Quote: bear040
                        Why do I need to prove something to the pro-American type who is not really interested in ?!

                        Prove that you are not a balabol, and operate on knowledge, not imagination, but to the "pro-American type" this is again your wild imagination.

                        Quote: bear040
                        Leave for the USA, if you like it there so much, we don’t need to impose our tastes and turn the Russian Federation into Detroit and New Orleans, we don’t need it !!!

                        Leave for your sweet North Korea, there your mind will not be tormented by documented historical facts, but they will give out a specially developed chewing gum and you will be happy.

                        Quote: bear040
                        If the Yankees sold high-quality goods to the USSR, England would not have refused it, which was in great need of minesweepers and fighters, but the British Air Force categorically preferred to refuse flying coffins, such as Aerocobra !!!

                        Firstly, the Yankees did not sell, but lent on the terms of a gratuitous lease (google how Lend-Lease is translated). Only that which the USSR left after the war was subject to payment.
                        Secondly, can you name at least one minesweeper made in the USSR, which was better than those set by Lend-Lease?
                        Thirdly, about 4,5 thousand AeroCobra were delivered to the USSR, 2.5 to England, wow - categorically refused.
                        Fourth, all the equipment delivered to the USSR as part of Lend-Lease were chosen by the Soviet representatives. The Americans supplied small quantities of pilot batches of both the P-47 Thunderbolt and Mustangs, but the Soviet leadership preferred the Aero Cobra as being more suitable for conditions on the eastern front.
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 3 May 2020 12: 48
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                        And at the same time:

                        Quote: bear040
                        If the Yankees sold high-quality goods to the USSR, England would not have refused it, which was also in great need of minesweepers.

                        It's a lie.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YMS-1-class_minesweeper

                        England ordered and received 150 minesweepers YMS-1. Let me remind you, the USSR received 43, but the main operator still remained the United States. Total released 451.

                        http://www.navsource.org/archives/11/19idx.htm

                        Take a look at the history of the famous "Calypso" Jacques-Yves Cousteau.
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                        bear040 6 May 2020 21: 36
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                        You will have to leave, gentlemen Yavlinsky, you are not at home here, and I, as you like to shout the titular nation and not to you, foreigners, Russians, from Russia, to expel Russians from Russia that are Russophobia sick !!! In Lviv, you will tell tales about the Lend-Lease to local raguls, and we know the price for them !!! England preferred its minesweepers, such as Bangor, and the Yankees sold their bullshit in the USSR for gold, not for nothing. In the USSR, there were excellent minesweepers such as Vladimir Polosukhin, type 53 projects, type 253, and ersatz, of course ... So American bullshit did not play a big role at the front. And remember, no one owes you anything in the Russian Federation, except for a one-way ticket to your historical Russophobia sick homeland !!!
                      4. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 May 2020 15: 10
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                        Quote: bear040
                        You will have to leave, gentlemen Yavlinsky, you are not at home here, and I, as you like to shout the titular nation and not to you, foreigners, Russians, from Russia, to expel Russians from Russia that are Russophobia sick !!! In Lviv, you will tell tales about the Lend-Lease to local raguls, and we know the price for them !!!

                        Oh, how it happened. "The titular nation" of the "alien", what is it that Nazism has popped up on you, all the more, on the eve of the holiday of victory over Nazism? If you don’t like that everyone in our country can express their opinion, go where it is different. It is doubly difficult for you, in Russian historical science there is a consensus on how much and when the USSR, and then the Russian Federation, paid for a Lend-Lease, and this does not coincide with your fantasies about paying with gold from a word at all. Moreover, I’m not going anywhere, here I was born, here are the graves of my ancestors, why do you live with people like me in the same country?

                        Quote: bear040
                        England preferred its minesweepers, such as Bangor, and the Yankees sold their bullshit in the USSR for gold, not for nothing. In the USSR there were excellent minesweepers such as Vladimir Polosukhin, type 53 of the project, type 253, well, ersatz, of course ...

                        You have already sat down in a puddle with penicillin and persistently want to do the same with minesweepers. Not a single Soviet minesweeper was serially equipped with a radar or Asdik, I doubt that they even had noise detectors on them. Acoustic and electromagnetic trawl began to put only 44. Actually, this is not even my opinion.

                        https://ship.bsu.by/text/6294

                        Encyclopedia of Soviet surface ships 1941-1945
                        Platonov A.V.

                        Minesweepers of the AM type - 32 units. The most advanced minesweepers of the Soviet Navy during the Great Patriotic War. Only they met all the requirements of the fight against anchor and magneto-acoustic mines. Ships of American construction 1943-1944., Received by Lend-Lease. In total, the Soviet Navy included 34 minesweepers of this type, of which 10 (T-111 - T-120) fought in the North, and the rest joined the Pacific Fleet (T-271 - T-285, T-331 - T-339).

                        Professor Platonov was professionally engaged in the history of the fleet during the Second World War, and what are your sources?

                        Quote: bear040
                        And remember, no one owes you anything in the Russian Federation, except for a one-way ticket to your historical Russophobia sick homeland !!!

                        Stop hysteria, I'm not asking anyone for anything. If you can’t defend your position with reason, then there’s no need to arrange a bazaar. It doesn’t color you.
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                        bear040 11 May 2020 05: 14
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                        Why didn’t you think that Nazism came across from you when you organized pogroms of the Russian population in your republics of the former USSR, independent of the Russian Federation ?! And now eat what you yourself brewed until you get across your throat! Wedge knock out wedge! In our country, only the indigenous people have the right to say something, and people like you can live as we tell you, or go to your Estonia and live there as you like! I have a lot of friends who were born in the countries of the former USSR that are now independent of Russia; this did not stop you from expelling them to their Russia, on the sole ground that they are Russian! Now leave yourself, here you are not welcome, they don’t want to live with you, and they don’t want to listen to your nonsense! By the way, Mr. storyteller, what kind of gold was on the English cruiser Edinburgh, if the USSR received everything for nothing, huh ?! You screwed up with penicillin, it was necessary to read the primer, and not smoke. Domestic penicillin was better than overseas. It’s like you, fables talk about how the Yankees defeated everyone, and the Yankees in 1944, the boys from the Hitler Youth kicked in France as they would and if they had not attacked on the eastern front, they would have drowned your masters in the English Channel like rats . Fiction scribblers written on grants from the USA are not an argument at all!
                      6. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 14 May 2020 16: 07
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                        Quote: bear040
                        Why didn’t you think that Nazism came across from you when you organized pogroms of the Russian population in your republics of the former USSR, independent of the Russian Federation ?! And now eat what you yourself brewed until you get across your throat! Wedge knock out wedge!

                        Please rave? I was born in Volgograd, and I have lived all my life in St. Petersburg. I did not arrange pogroms for anyone and I am not going to. You think your Nazism can justify something? I believe not.

                        Quote: bear040
                        In our country, only the indigenous people have the right to say something, and people like you can live as we tell you, or go to your Estonia and live there as you like!

                        You calm down, don't be nervous. I live in the Russian Federation and here everyone has the right to say what he wants, within the framework of the law, and your permission or someone else to me to one place. And with your instructions on how to live, you can go to a well-known address. What do you live in? In a country of imagination, in which you can point to someone and listen to you? I am a native of the Russian Federation, but most importantly, I am her citizen, so take a walk.

                        Quote: bear040
                        Now leave yourself, here you are not welcome, they don’t want to live with you, and they don’t want to listen to your nonsense!

                        See above. If it’s so hard for you to communicate with citizens of Russia, why bother torturing yourself, take care of your nerves, nevertheless illnesses from nerves. I'm worried about you.

                        Quote: bear040
                        By the way, Mr. storyteller, what kind of gold was on the English cruiser Edinburgh, if the USSR received everything for nothing, huh ?!

                        Where did I say that everything is for nothing? I said that the USSR did not pay for weapons, products and materials under Lend-Lease spent, lost during the war, or returned to the United States after the war (rent after all), that is, it was received for nothing. And about Edinburgh, the key word here is English. Try to exert yourself and think, the English cruiser goes to England with a load of gold, it is drowned and after lifting, the gold is divided between the USSR and England. Does nothing bother you in this story? And by the way, do you know how much gold is the cruiser Edinburgh in 42? Less than 7 million dollars. To pay for deliveries on Lend-Lease, you needed thousands of 1.5 such Edinburghs. The USSR stupidly did not have so much gold.

                        Quote: bear040
                        Domestic penicillin was better than overseas.

                        Are we done with minesweepers? You, as I understand it, have nothing to say about this except how to express Nazi ideas?

                        Quote: bear040
                        It’s like you, fables talk about how the Yankees defeated everyone, and the Yankees in 1944, the guys from the Hitler Youth kicked in France as they wanted, and if it had not been for the offensive on the eastern front, they would have drowned your masters in the English Channel, rats. Fiction scribblers written on grants from the USA are not an argument at all!

                        Firstly, do not project your situation onto others, if you have a master, this absolutely does not mean that the others are the same.
                        Secondly, if you are talking about Professor Platonov’s book, he taught at the Naval Academy and received money from the Russian Ministry of Defense.
                        I understand that you want propaganda cliches in the world and you are simply distracted by historical facts, you deny the obvious, get angry and go on to express Nazi ideas, but unfortunately, I can’t help you.
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                        Wanderer039 14 May 2020 21: 25
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                        They already wrote to you that your fellow tribesmen didn’t stand on ceremony with the Russians who were born in the republics of the former USSR that are now independent of the Russian Federation and are Russophobic, they were expelled to their Russia, having robbed many beforehand or even killed ... So why should we be interested your opinion, the opinion of someone who has nothing to do with the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and is trying to otmazyvat their countrywoman ??! No, ladies and gentlemen, they wedge a wedge ... As soon as it comes back, it will respond ... As you are to us in your countries, so are we to you in our, and not yours, Russia !!! We have every right !!! You will have to take a walk, and not for long, like Nemtsov, since you don’t understand the Russian language and don’t want to blame in your native Soviet, sick with Russophobia, under-states ... If you were Russian, you would know how they say in Russia in such cases - God knows It’s high, the Tsar is far away, and we’re close ... You didn’t cheat Putin in your countries, but the Russian people, so he will ask you, and by the way, Putin is not eternal, but the people have a strong memory ... So answer for everything you have to ... You have a master and people like the Lviv boy Grishka Yavlinsky and who is your master, everyone has long been it’s known ... As for the pseudo-scientific times of Yeltsin and Gorbachev, they will also be asked from them if they do not bend before, like Novodvorskaya, with the help of good people, or run away to their masters, like Judas Gorbachev and granddaughters of Boriski Pyany ...
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                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 15 May 2020 15: 41
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                        Quote: Wanderer039
                        They already wrote to you that your fellow tribesmen didn’t stand on ceremony with the Russians who were born in the republics of the former USSR that are now independent of the Russian Federation and are Russophobic, they were expelled to their Russia, having robbed many beforehand or even killed ... So why should we be interested your opinion, the opinion of someone who has nothing to do with the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and is trying to otmazyvat their countrywoman ??! No, ladies and gentlemen, they wedge a wedge ... As soon as it comes back, it will respond ... As you are to us in your countries, so are we to you in our, and not yours, Russia !!! We have every right !!! .

                        Of course, I heard about the spring exacerbation, but I have never seen it live, and then there are two cases at once. Once again for the gifted, they are my fellow tribesmen like yours. You then need to tell yourself all this in front of the mirror.

                        Quote: Wanderer039
                        You’ll have to walk, and not for long, like Nemtsov, since you don’t understand the Russian language and don’t want to dump into your native Soviet, sick with Russophobia, sub-states ...

                        Here you are ... eccentric. It’s funny that the Russian Natsik arrogate to themselves the murder of a Russian politician by the Chechens ... Maybe you should go to Chechnya and thank them? At the same time, ask for the 90s in Chechnya, the only place in the entire post-Soviet space where the real genocide of Russians was staged. Take a trip, then tell how everything went.

                        Quote: Wanderer039
                        If we were Russian, we would know how in such cases they speak in Russia - It’s high before God, far from the Tsar, and we’re close ...

                        Tell me honestly, at least once in your life did your useless threats affect someone? And this, when you talk about yourself, it also causes concern for your mental health.

                        Quote: Wanderer039
                        You didn’t cheat Putin in your countries, but the Russian people, so he will ask you, and by the way, Putin is not eternal, and the people have a strong memory ..

                        I've been living in Russia all my life and try to abide by the principle - do not do to others what you would not want to be done to you. I’m saying, go to Chechnya, ask there, otherwise there’s only courage to attack Tajik girls, and you can catch Uzbeks one by one.
                        PS Of course, it is sad that in our country so many Natsiks divorced, grandfathers fought with Nazism, and he blossoms in Russia with magnificent colors.
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    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 18 2020 16: 35
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    And at the same time, guess who was the first to cooperate with the interventionists .... correctly, the Bolsheviks.

    You must accept all assistance from the allied missions and contrast all obstacles against the predators of the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs L.D. Trotsky

    http://leninism.su/works/99-v-i-lenin-neizvestnye-dokumenty-1891-1922/3636-dokumenty-1918-g-mart-aprel.html
    1. Dear sofa expert. April 19 2020 18: 28
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      Yes, history knows this. Lenin trusted Trotsky, and this was his mistake. Stalin corrected this mistake and stripped Trotsky of power in 1924. What Trotsky concluded, I hope you know.
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        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 15: 09
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        Quote: Dear couch expert.
        Lenin trusted Trotsky, and this was his mistake.

        Trotsky brought Lenin to power, in fact, he is the creator of the Soviet state, why not trust him in Lenin? In deciding on cooperation with the interventionists, Stalin also took part.
        1. Dear sofa expert. April 20 2020 15: 47
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          What? Trotsky brought whom? Where?
          Yes, during his second emigration, Trotsky generally did not support the Leninist policy of separating the Bolshevik fraction from the RSDLP, in 1911-1912, both politicians actually did that exchanging mutual swearing .. Later, in the period 1917-1921, Lenin and Trotsky came to the coincidence of their views at that moment they constituted a bloc. You are talking nonsense.
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 16: 04
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            You will deny that the organizer of the October Revolution Trotsky?
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              What does the main thing mean?)) The organizers were V. I. Lenin, L. D. Trotsky, Ya. M. Sverdlov, V. A. Antonov-Ovseenko, P. E. Dybenko and others.
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    69 April 19 2020 10: 53
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    And at the same time, guess who was the first to cooperate with the interventionists .... correctly, the Bolsheviks.

    The first with the interventionists and occupiers are characters with reduced social responsibility.
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      unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) April 19 2020 11: 12
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      Well, it’s not without reason that all kinds of thieves have long been considered by the Bolsheviks “class close”.
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 19 2020 15: 04
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      Quote: 69P
      The first with the interventionists and occupiers are characters with reduced social responsibility.

      Do you call Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin characters with "characters with reduced social responsibility," because they agreed to cooperate with the Anglo-French forces to the Murmansk Council, after which they landed, which, in fact, began the story of the intervention?
      Well, Trotsky, he is a Jew, well, Lenin, he may also be a Jew. But Stalin did not please you?
      I met several of your comments on this forum, you have some kind of fad about the Jews. Tell me, please, did you take only anti-Semitism from the Nazi idea, or is something else attracting you to it?
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    69 April 19 2020 15: 10
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    You call Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin characters with "characters with low social responsibility"

    They called you and no one else's character, and whatever the orderlies call you, Trotsky or Napoleon, I feel violet.
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 19 2020 19: 46
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      Non-traditional characters (in the bad sense of the word), like you, are only capable of rudeness at the sixth grade level of a school.
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    69 April 20 2020 08: 19
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    only capable of rudeness

    Rudeness is nonsense compared to what the kosher followers of the Gulag guard are capable of, like you.
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) April 20 2020 15: 38
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      Quote: 69P
      kosher followers of the gulag guard

      What is going on in your head ...
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    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) April 22 2020 11: 35
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    Most likely, then, in 1918-1920, African Americans were among the American occupiers. So, they can be called "white negro".