Finns are sure: “A new Stalin will come that will threaten the world”

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Finnish readers of the Kaleva newspaper commented on an article published on the website dedicated to the book “Moscow Doctrine,” by British “Russian expert” Keir Giles, which was recently translated into the local market.

This study proposes an author's view of the Russian policies, not much different from traditional western canons.



Russian truth is conditional and variable, and not absolute and constant. Everyday life in Russia includes the willingness to lie in such a way that both the narrator and the listener know that this is a lie. [...] Russia seeks respect through submission and fear

- in such theses Kaleva retells the essence of the book.

The comments of the Finns are quite restrained. There are different opinions, from supporting the author’s view to an openly skeptical attitude to such assessments.

Many times it has been said that nothing good comes from the East. And this is so true.

Putin had two options when he came to power: isolation and war politics, or friendship with the West to build a democratic and economically strong Russia. Unfortunately, Putin chose the first option, and now we can say that he failed both politically and economically. [...]

Russia is not a state, but an empire. Empire is an ancient form of political organization. The state, on the other hand, is a rather young structure. [...] An empire usually does not have clear boundaries beyond which its power ends. [...] The empire is always militaristic and, in essence, is constantly in a state of war against the outside world. When military power is weakened sufficiently, the empire disintegrates. In its place appears several states.

Once this house of cards collapses, it’s unlikely to get any better. Again, a new Stalin will come, who will threaten the rest of the world, lie to people, rule fear. This is a Russian tradition.

[...] "Everyday life in Russia includes the willingness to lie in such a way that both the narrator and the listener know that this is a lie." This statement is certainly true even if the word “Russian” is replaced by the word “American”.

Really familiar feeling. When I read the text, it always seemed to me that Russia was not the only one of its kind. The world's largest superpower, the United States, acts in exactly the same way under President Trump.

Would life be boring without Russia?

Hundreds of thousands of young people who fell and maimed in our last wars would certainly be happy to live a boring life without Russia

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  1. Alf
    Alf
    +2
    April 15 2020 18: 45
    Correctly the dates are afraid of the arrival of the temporary detention center, then the Helsinki province will appear in Russia.
  2. shadow
    shadow
    +2
    April 15 2020 18: 49
    Everyone so believes in Russian aggression that it can come true and then it will be too late to drink Borjomi when the missiles fly.
    1. Arkharov
      Arkharov
      -3
      April 15 2020 20: 13
      I don’t understand, are you calling to believe? Usually, our propagandists write that this is nonsense and complete garbage? Let them down ...
      1. shadow
        shadow
        +1
        April 15 2020 20: 39
        Now this is nonsense, and then? You know, dreams come true. One must be careful with one's desires. Especially when these desires are imposed on such a large number of people.
  3. ENOTE
    ENOTE
    +4
    April 15 2020 19: 26
    Again article without author's signature! A strange trend. Nothing here is being discussed here. If only somewhere in the backyard sitting stubborn ...
  4. gorenina91
    gorenina91
    -5
    April 15 2020 19: 59
    Finns are sure: “A new Stalin will come that will threaten the world”

    - Yes, the "new Stalin" can "come" ... - Just a year, six months ago, this could hardly have been possible; but today this may well happen ...
    - if the situation with the coronavirus does not stabilize (and she "does not think" to stabilize) and the number of victims worldwide reaches several million (even tens of millions) people ... - including in Russia; then the world itself will require a radical transformation and "re-equipment" of human society (and not only medicine will undergo huge changes); and the social basis itself and, most likely, there will be a reassessment of material and spiritual human values ​​...
    - Well, as for Russia; then it is in Russia that these "radical changes" can begin ...
    - Moreover, it is Russia that already has a very rich experience of "such changes" ... - And a fairly significant part of the population of Russia lived "in the era of Stalin" and even more so - in the days of the USSR ... - And today there are a lot of "supporters Stalin "live and well ...
    - So ...- the coronavirus (or rather, a huge number = victims of the coronavirus epidemic) in Russia can push for the organization of a new radical leading political group in Russia ... - The current Communist Party of Russia is hardly suitable for this; but most of the fundamentals and principles of building a society can be taken precisely from the program of the Communist Party ... - And here it is already up to Stalin ... - at hand ... - Because at the very beginning the construction of this new social society will be used and applied harsh Stalinist methods ...
    -So ... ... this is quite possible ...
    1. shadow
      shadow
      +1
      April 15 2020 20: 41
      Today, the Communist Party is the Capitalist Party of the Russian Federation.
  5. Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover
    0
    April 15 2020 20: 09
    Do not tell anyone, but Stalin died.
    1. Arkharov
      Arkharov
      -3
      April 15 2020 20: 14
      To say the least?
  6. King3214
    King3214
    -3
    April 15 2020 20: 40
    Finnish separatists - that’s right.
    Finland is actually a Russian province, which seceded as a result of the 1917 coup, under the influence of Finnish separatists.
    1. Citizen Mѣshkov
      Citizen Mѣshkov
      -1
      April 16 2020 01: 46
      The revolutionaries contributed to the collapse of the empire. Branch of Finland on their account.
      1. ROBIN-SON
        ROBIN-SON
        -2
        April 16 2020 08: 55
        They raged before the revolution.
      2. Marzhecki
        Marzhecki
        -2
        April 16 2020 08: 59
        No one has contributed to the separation of Finland, as the Romanov family itself. Learn the story.
        1. Citizen Mѣshkov
          Citizen Mѣshkov
          +2
          April 16 2020 19: 09
          Did you read this from the Torah?
          1. A.Lex
            A.Lex
            0
            April 17 2020 11: 40
            All external, and especially internal, the policy of the kings (and the latter - and even more so) led to the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia. But the Russian bourgeoisie directly and indirectly pushed the Romanovs to this (and helped this from abroad).
            1. Citizen Mѣshkov
              Citizen Mѣshkov
              +1
              April 17 2020 19: 35
              You forget that the struggle against the Russian State has been waged at least since the beginning of the 19th century, by both left and right terrorists. Indeed, from abroad, Ulyanov, Bronstein, Dzhugashvili and many, many others waged their subversive struggle. But this is not scary, but the fact that they at the most dangerous and crucial moment (before the decisive attack on Germany) actually acted as collaborators by directing revolutionary energy against their state. And after all, having signed a shameful world with the enemy, on extremely unfavorable conditions, thereby giving up a huge territory, surrendering the population and paying a huge indemnity.
      3. A.Lex
        A.Lex
        -1
        April 17 2020 11: 37
        Sergey, and who actually ruined RI? And the separation of the Finnish territories is the merit of Kerensky.
  7. Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev
    +2
    April 15 2020 20: 58
    And, again, something anonymous in the West said ... They have nothing to look in their mouths?
  8. Bulanov
    Bulanov
    +3
    April 15 2020 21: 16
    or friendship with the West to build a democratic and economically strong Russia.

    - Friendship with the West in the 1990s almost cost Russia statehood. Not for nothing, apparently, the CIA officials enriched themselves by working in Russia.
  9. 123
    123
    +2
    April 15 2020 21: 17
    No offense to people holding communist views, but this is true. The Communist Party has degenerated. Sometimes Zhirinovsky says the right thing. laughing

    Representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation no longer adhere to the ideas of communism, so they should have changed their name to Social Democrats. This opinion was expressed in his Telegram channel on Tuesday by LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
    Speaking about the changes in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, he noted that the party members "recognized God and renounced atheism." "They gave up state property and now support the private sector," Zhirinovsky continued, recalling the demand of the Communist Party faction in the Moscow City Duma to support business, as well as the nomination of a "billionaire candidate" from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the last presidential election.
    "They moved away from internationalism and became nationalists. In fact, nothing remained in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin. Gennady Andreevich [Zyuganov] is great, he completely changed the party. But this is deceiving millions of people," Zhirinovsky continued.
    1. A.Lex
      A.Lex
      +3
      April 17 2020 11: 44
      123, it began to degenerate after the security agencies were forbidden to conduct investigations against members of the government and the Central Committee. It was then that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was turning into a fool. After all, all sorts of Gorbachev and Yeltsins are just the result (there is nothing to say about Gaidars and other Chubais).
      1. 123
        123
        +3
        April 17 2020 11: 50
        ... she began to degenerate after the state security structures were forbidden to conduct investigations against members of the government and the Central Committee. It was then that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was turning into a fool. After all, all sorts of Gorbachev and Yeltsins are just the result (there is nothing to say about Gaidars and other Chubais).

        I find it difficult to determine the start date and the reasons for this process; in the history of the party it is not strong. But I am sure of the degradation of the party.
        1. A.Lex
          A.Lex
          +2
          April 17 2020 12: 02
          There is no dispute - just a clarification. drinks
        2. Citizen Mѣshkov
          Citizen Mѣshkov
          -1
          April 17 2020 22: 59
          The point is not even the degeneration of the party, but the illusory nature of their ideology. Any ideology built on myths, mirage and illusions will collapse sooner or later.
          1. 123
            123
            +1
            April 18 2020 08: 18
            Any ideology is based on myths.
  10. steelmaker
    steelmaker
    0
    April 15 2020 22: 22
    And I said:

    The more we do good to them, the more they hate us!

    Now Stalin will not be for you. It will be worse than Stalin - neither nobility, nor mercy you will not, if that!
    1. Natan bruk
      Natan bruk
      -5
      April 16 2020 02: 48
      If what - this is in the sense of WHAT? Will they attack you? And who needs you and why? Attack in order to conquer and feed 146 million rogue? No resources will pay for it. They simply fear you, as they fear an inadequate gopnik with weapons - go and know what to expect from him, and even with enduring imperial manners.
      1. plabu
        plabu
        +1
        April 16 2020 08: 43
        Quote: Natan Bruk
        If what - this is in the sense of WHAT? Will they attack you? And who needs you and why? Attack in order to conquer and feed 146 million rogue? No resources will pay for it ...

        Your "colleagues" abroad have a wealth of experience in terms of population reduction - blankets, concentration camps, and much more, so resources are needed, and more will be needed in the future ...

        Quote: Natan Bruk
        ... You are simply afraid, as they are afraid of an inadequate gopnik with weapons - go and know what to expect from him, and even with enduring imperial manners.

        Hmm, you have an interesting position - all of our habits basically consisted and consist in the fact that life is NOT taught, but intensely done and continues to make an image - a gopnik, an aggressor, and then on the list ... bully
        1. Natan bruk
          Natan bruk
          -2
          April 17 2020 09: 29
          And that means such a plan - to conquer Russia and destroy the population :))) Concentration camps will be built, all will be driven there, destroyed, resources will be appropriated to themselves. Why didn’t they attack in the 90s? Judging by what they write here, you could be taken with your bare hands. And it’s useless to teach you life, because the nature is slavish and lazy. You need a king, whom you will adore, and he will threaten the whole world. That is fenced off from you and from your clamps.
          1. plabu
            plabu
            0
            April 17 2020 21: 58
            Quote: Natan Bruk
            ... Concentration camps will be built, all will be driven there, destroyed, resources will be appropriated to themselves. But why didn’t they attack in the 90s? Judging by what they write here, you could take it with your bare hands ...

            What, never built and tried? bully
            So first learn the story - before writing this ...
            And what about it is possible and when - ask yourself, those who could or were going to, or just thought - I do not care about that.

            Quote: Natan Bruk
            ... And it’s useless to teach you life, because the nature is slavish and lazy ....

            It’s really useless for you, but the reasons are different, but why should you? Stay further in your fantasies and empire. hi

            Quote: Natan Bruk
            ... You need a king, whom you will adore, but he will threaten the whole world. That is fenced off from you and from your clamps.

            Who and why do we need - without you and yours we will sing along! hi
        2. A.Lex
          A.Lex
          +1
          April 17 2020 11: 48
          321, you explain to the Israeli beggar the obvious things that he already knows. His WORK here is to dehumanize Russians as a nation. Otherwise, they will not pay him (otherwise, why would he write all this game, having escaped from Russia).
          1. plabu
            plabu
            +1
            April 17 2020 22: 00
            It has long been said - they are tormented by swallowing dust. bully
    2. ROBIN-SON
      ROBIN-SON
      +1
      April 16 2020 08: 59
      You are probably right. After what the Finns and the West did with the USSR and modern Russia, the era of Stalin, they will seem like a paradise. Mannerheim will go to trial at best.
  11. Citizen Mѣshkov
    Citizen Mѣshkov
    +1
    April 16 2020 01: 51
    The new "arrival of Stalin" is a relative concept. I want to remind you that before the arrival of Stalin there was the arrival of Lenin, and before him Marx with his new theories. So, if no new theories are put forward, then it makes no sense to wait for the arrival of a new Stalin.
  12. shinobi
    shinobi
    +1
    April 16 2020 07: 06
    Fear? Do it right. Russia is currently the only state capable of fighting alone. In Europe, it’s against all in one helmet.
    1. Natan bruk
      Natan bruk
      -2
      April 17 2020 09: 30
      Well, Hitler thought so too.
      1. A.Lex
        A.Lex
        +2
        April 17 2020 11: 54
        What? What is Hitler? You still prove that the West itself defeated Nazism. laughing And an American soldier defeated him, defeating the Germans at the Battle of Midway! You can snatch this heresy with "ancient ukram" - they will carry you in their arms for it (of course - the whole "world community is with them"!)
        Who and how defeated Nazism-here without your nonsense know perfectly well.
        And one more thing: do not be strong - they do not serve traitors here.
        1. Natan bruk
          Natan bruk
          -2
          April 17 2020 12: 58
          What “traitor"? I’ve never been yours, which means I cannot be a traitor by definition. And I really don’t need to “serve” anything.
          1. A.Lex
            A.Lex
            +1
            April 26 2020 16: 54
            Traitor, traitor. Escaped to the "promised land" and now "broadcast" from there. Actually, we are not interested in the opinion of the disenfranchised.
            1. Natan bruk
              Natan bruk
              -4
              April 26 2020 17: 33
              Well, actually, I didn’t run anywhere. As soon as the opportunity arose to pull out of the Union, I immediately left to realize myself "there", and I quite succeeded. So it’s definitely not a “stripper”. And your interest or not interest in my opinion, honestly speaking, does not make much difference.
              1. A.Lex
                A.Lex
                +2
                April 26 2020 17: 40
                Therefore, the traitor ... the runner. That does not stir here the opinion of the runner.
                1. Natan bruk
                  Natan bruk
                  -4
                  April 26 2020 23: 47
                  You are not thrilled, but I am deeply, deeply in your opinion ... By the way, but, say, Novoselov and Geim do you consider traitors? When they received the Nobel, the Russian media reported with great pride that they were of Russian origin. At the same time, somehow they did not throw anything about the fact that they were "runaways" to London. For some reason.
                  1. A.Lex
                    A.Lex
                    +2
                    April 29 2020 19: 56
                    Here is your opinion to me deeply to one place. All traitors will remain traitors. "Nobel" is one of the instruments of influence of Western structures on the obstinate (we want - we will give, but we want - no). Everyone has already seen how these awards take place (starting with Solzhenitsyn's "beacon of democracy"). Who became the laureate? Obama - it's not clear why? Bear-tagged - as one of the destroyers of the country? Or maybe the nominee is Adolf Aloizych?
                    Give an example of an organization that has repeatedly discredited itself? Oh well...
                    Well, and who (to a large extent) owns the "Russian media", we already know very well (especially all sorts of echoes of matzah, rains, businessmen). Therefore, it is not surprising that those like them were "admired" - for them (as well as for you) what is not worse for Russia is better for them. Russophobes (like anti-Sovietists) were never translated into Mother Russia. They have only one fate - exile or flight, as a result of betrayal.
                    In general, I see no reason to oppose you in the future - have you fled? Well, thank God! The air in the country has become cleaner ... Now, if you had taken the others with you, it would have been wonderful!
                    In general - go, runner.
                    1. Natan bruk
                      Natan bruk
                      -4
                      April 30 2020 00: 28
                      Forgive, forgive, bondman :))) The only thing that is not clear about the Nobel - why are all the Russian media just bursting with pride when some of the Nobel laureates show Russian roots, even if they left a long time ago? The same Game and Novoselov, for example. Well, you stay with your sacred bonds, with your 127th place in the world in terms of health care costs, etc., and push all those who disagree. Wow, how to live a real tight life.
      2. shinobi
        shinobi
        0
        April 18 2020 01: 40
        And he took Europe without much straining. As we are. Learn history and do not write nonsense.
  13. GRF
    GRF
    +1
    April 16 2020 09: 03
    Many times it has been said that nothing good comes from the East. And this is so true.

    But how will the Jews take offense, the Japanese with the Mongols ...

    Once this house of cards collapses, it’s unlikely to get any better. Again, a new Stalin will come, who will threaten the rest of the world, lie to people, rule fear. This is a Russian tradition.

    Well, you can choose a Georgian too - there Saakashvili, I think I would not refuse to make you happy.
    And the Western tradition is to invent horror films for yourself, and then be afraid of them. (But fiction is not a lie, but a fantasy). The Russians did not suit you in Dresden for the Finnish, although they could, therefore they are terrible, probably - that they can. And if you would arrange, then you would not lie ...
  14. ustal51
    ustal51
    +1
    April 16 2020 14: 33
    Another Kalevala from morons ...
  15. Don36
    Don36
    +6
    April 16 2020 19: 49
    So today you’re less fooling around the Russian Federation, then you will have less to fear the answers from the Russian Federation ... Stalin, not Stalin, and the debt is a payment in kind and sooner or later for all the nasty things done by the Russian Federation and the Russians, but they will have to answer in any way ...
  16. assault 2019
    assault 2019
    0
    April 16 2020 21: 41
    The second "Finnish" company will be much more successful than the "winter war" of 39-40. A week later, the T-72B3 and T-80BVM will reach Sweden, and Helsinki will surrender to the mercy of the winner and ask to join Russia again, on the second day of the operation to return the original Russian lands within the borders of the Empire in 1914.
    1. Natan bruk
      Natan bruk
      -1
      April 17 2020 09: 32
      All that remains is to dream of surrendering. It's still good to dream about Alaska.
      1. A.Lex
        A.Lex
        +1
        April 17 2020 11: 58
        Israeli, they forgot to ask you.
    2. A.Lex
      A.Lex
      +1
      April 17 2020 11: 57
      Storm, well, why do we need this smut? What will this "increment" give us? We are not bad without this stub. You would have written about the "province of the Vislens" ... fool
      ...... did not put an assessment ........
      1. assault 2019
        assault 2019
        0
        10 June 2020 22: 37
        For some reason, it may be good for you, but for me, it’s more profitable with the Finns as part of Russia, both economically and calmer militarily. And the border from Peter will move significantly ...
        1. A.Lex
          A.Lex
          +2
          11 June 2020 15: 59
          Now this is already a completely foreign people to us ... Once again - this is just an extra headache. We would have to deal with our Svobodneksbertsy - the authorities with the calmness of the sphinx are watching the attempts of the Vlasovites to split the territory ...