What is behind the US desire to first explore the moon


Cosmonautics Day, celebrated yesterday, was overshadowed (in addition to the coronavirus epidemic, which is now spoiling everything and everyone in our world), and also a new aggravation of the Russian-American dive on issues related to both the holiday itself and quite practical aspects of space exploration today.


However, with full justification, it can be considered that this topic turned into a particularly “sore” one for our country a little earlier - after Donald Trump voiced shameless and dimensionless, truly imperial ambitions for seemingly the property of all mankind, space open spaces and their wealth. What can be behind this demarche and how seriously should it respond?

Dunno - to the moon!


Let me remind you that the decree of his head was published on the White House website on April 7, according to which the United States no longer considers itself bound by the provisions of the Agreement on the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1979 and declare their the right to operate this celestial body (as well as all the others), including in the field of mining there, exclusively at its own request. Everyone who does not like this can contemplate Uncle Sam's middle finger or complain to the same UN, which, in terms of effectiveness, is, in principle, absolutely equivalent. A tiny legal “fig leaf” to this unprecedentedly impudent statement was proposed to consider the statement that space exploration and exploration is “a completely unique type of human activity” and, therefore, cannot obey some kind of mossy and Old Testament agreements signed, God knows who and when. From now on, the United States intends to boldly “engage in exploration, production and exploitation” of all valuable resources that have turned up under their extremely raking hands outside the planet Earth, guided exclusively by “current legislation”. I don’t need to explain that no brave American guys, even in their spacesuits, even without them, recognize laws of any kind, except for their own. This, in fact, is the question. To the rest of the world, this decision is imposed as a postulate and axiom, as a given, to dispute which is useless and fraught. Nevertheless, before throwing thunder and lightning, accusing the insidious Americans of real annexations and expansion, you need to understand something.

Proudly and boldly declaring “withdrawal from the Moon Treaty”, Donald Trump either did not know, or simply overlooked the moment that the United States, in fact, never signed it! And especially not ratified. As, incidentally, the Soviet Union, and subsequently Russia. The list of signatory countries that have ratified their obligations to never try to “grow” in the lunar or, say, Martian possessions, I think, will make you smile: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Morocco, Mexico, the Netherlands, Pakistan, Peru, Uruguay, Philippines , Chile ... Verily, the greatest cosmic powers of the planet! India and France, which still have their own space programs, put their signatures on the document, but they did not think to ratify it. No, this in no case does not mean that I do not agree with the statement made by Roscosmos that such kind of demarches, elevated to the rank of state policy one of the leading world powers should be regarded as a demonstration of "aggressive plans for the actual capture of alien territories" and arrogant "attempts to expropriate outer space." And with the words of Dmitry Peskov regarding the fact that "the privatization of outer space is unacceptable," I am not going to argue either. All these are quite correct words, which, of course, are supposed to be said in such situations ... And now let's finally take a look at things really! The problem in this case is not Trump’s decree at all. The question of who owns the natural satellite of the earth, asteroids and God knows what else, located in space, will be decided on a completely different plane, and not by someone’s decrees, and resolutions. But as? This is a topic for a really serious conversation.

Back to the realities


Before resenting the fact that the Americans decided to land on the moon, headed by their current president and row there with a shovel, I don’t know what specifically “valuable resources” it would be nice to start kicking these kids off of the oil fields in Syria! That's where they categorically are not supposed to be - and just in accordance with a huge number of quite legitimate, universally recognized international laws and treaties. And it really stops the USA ?! Yes, not at all. They want, they can, they take. And with the Moon everything will be exactly the same - if we approach the issue without hypocrisy. Only the appearance of our VKS in this country could stop the Americans in their desire to grab the same Syria entirely. Catch a parallel? Did the USA announce that they will “return to the moon” within the framework of the hasty, literally a year ago, Artemis program they proclaimed? Well, does Russia also seem to have similar intentions? And its own program, existing, let's say, a little longer. What did Mr. Rogozin promise us there? Until 2030, regular launches of space stations to the satellite, after 2030 - the flight of our astronauts. From 2035 to 2040 - we’ll settle down there already, we’ll build a lunar base. Everything is as it should be - with a bathhouse and an aviary for a bear, so that it would scare away any uninvited people ... And if you drop the jokes, then it's time to admit that the Moon will go to the one who will be the first to realize the program for its development. What are the "united nations" and the ideas they promote about the "brotherhood of all mankind", the coronavirus pandemic has shown, perhaps, more than exhaustively. A completely different era is approaching, in which demagogy will not cost anything at all - only the real possibilities of states and their peoples. So, we (or the Americans) would not stumble in the process of landing on the red flag modestly fluttering over the lunar mountains and seas with golden stars ...

And just do not panic about the fact that "the US is big, strong and rich, they will succeed, but we definitely do not!" Problems with the American "Artemis" from the start was a cart and a small cart. First of all, starting with financing, which assumed $ 8 billion a year "on top" of NASA's $ 20 billion annual budget. The SLS booster rocket with a carrying capacity of 70 tons and the Orion ship, which seems to be capable of flying to the Moon, have the status of "almost ready" and need serious revision. The most important technical component of the expedition - the lunar take-off and landing module has not even been developed at all! Moreover, the landing of astronauts for technical reasons will most likely be impossible without the creation of the Gateway orbital station in satellite orbit, the construction of which was initially categorically opposed by the White House Administrative and Budget Office - for reasons of economy. Let us recall that under Bush Jr., the Moon’s “reconquest" program, the Constellation, was already in place. It was covered by Barack Obama, who dreamed of flying immediately to Mars. Trump, by the way, was also thirsty there. Then they explained: you need to be more modest, confine yourself to the Moon ... Well, finally, let's compare the above figures of costs and problems with the real situation that exists today in the United States, where, due to the coronavirus pandemic, the state of national disaster has already been announced throughout the country. The current president’s desire to “make America great again” was thoroughly covered by a copper basin with the inscription “COVID-19” and statements about the upcoming moon Klondike, sounding from the White House, look like nothing else in this situation, except for a desperate attempt to switch the attention of the agonizing nation to some distant and positive object. However, there is still cause for concern.

Discarding the Agreement on the Activities of States on the Moon with one stroke of the pen, Washington, it seems very much, is aiming at the denunciation of a completely different treaty - On the Principles of the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space from 1967. It was precisely the United States and the USSR that not only signed, but also ratified. And along with them - and another hundred countries. The most important thing in the agreement is, again, not the declaration of outer space as “the property of all mankind”, but the strictest ban on the deployment of weapons of mass destruction, primarily nuclear. It is precisely from this point that the United States and Trump personally, as we recall, initiated the creation of the Space Command as part of the American armed forces, and intend to refuse in the very near future. And this is a serious headache. In any case, according to a statement recently made by the deputy head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Sergei Ryabkov, Moscow and Washington have the most “fundamental, fundamental and profound differences” in many aspects on the “space issue”. First of all, on all issues that relate to "the prospects of deploying military strike means and other weapons there." According to our diplomat, between Russia and the United States there is an agreement to create a joint working group to establish a "space dialogue". But the American side, to put it mildly, is not at all eager to conduct any real negotiations. Moreover, according to Ryabkov's frank admission, "Washington seeks to discuss any topic solely on its own terms, and it demonstrates an emphasized disregard for the approaches of the other side." Most likely, there will simply be no dialogue ...

Herein lies the true essence and threat of space ambitions of the United States. Dmitry Rogozin can swear as much as desired on Twitter with Ilon Mask. This, as one well-known character used to say, is "trifles, an everyday matter." The fact that the State Department in congratulations on Cosmonautics Day managed not to mention Yuri Gagarin is utterly disastrous, of course. But what else can one expect from a country that has long declared itself, and not the Soviet Union, “the winner of Nazism” ?! All this is insulting and unpleasant, of course, especially on such a significant holiday. However, it’s really worth worrying not about the claims of American Dunno about the Moon, but about nuclear missiles and combat lasers, which they, apparently, are going to hang over our heads in Earth orbit.
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  1. T. Henks Offline
    T. Henks (Igor) April 13 2020 08: 57
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    The US administration is doing everything right. Rather than feed hundreds of officials from a foreign order, it is simpler and more reasonable to develop and implement a plan (according to the present - a road map) for using space for their own purposes. And to use taxi drivers for the purpose of transportation. Trump 12 remembered the first flight, although without Gagarin, but where is our guarantor? Not a holiday for him. Oil is more important.
  2. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) April 13 2020 09: 11
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    What is behind the US desire to first explore the moon

    Oh, these storytellers. laughing Before mastering, you need to at least once fly to the moon really, and not in the Hollywood pavilion to jump the goats in spacesuits. laughing
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) April 13 2020 14: 02
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      There is a normal name on YouTube: “How the Americans landed on the moon was filmed”, where it is shown in the normal way how they landed - there the “astronaut” the lighting rod flew over the head.
    2. Anatoly Porotnikov (Anatoly Porotnikov) April 17 2020 08: 02
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      In these cotton "spacesuits" they still had 5 kg of "moon" crap stored! Therefore, low and jumped!)))
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 13 2020 10: 15
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    Oh, that’s all garbage.
    USA wants to master the moon, China wants to master the moon, and Russia wants to master the moon ...

    The problem is that promises cannot be mastered by the moon. According to the promises of the predecessor Rogozin, we were supposed to achieve in 2015 ....

    The result of the promises is clear to everyone .... they just don’t talk about it out loud ....
  4. Brancodd Offline
    Brancodd April 13 2020 11: 03
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    What is the point of wailing? The budget of Roscosmos - 3 billion. How would such a budget for the moon?
  5. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker April 13 2020 13: 21
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    And what is there to be surprised and indignant. Putin and Rogozin indulge in everything exceptional.
    "For your money - any whim." Glad to try. Space station and technology - please! Deliver astronauts and cargo to the ISS - please! Rocket engines, titanium - what more do you want! Is the disease unexpected? So we will help you - we will bring everything by air. They believe that the world revolves only around the United States! The economies of all countries work for the US economy. And the fact that the appetite of the United States is growing is not surprising. When they just grunt in everything. China tried, its US quickly put in place. Conclusion: For something to change, you need to change something.
    "The fish rots from the head."
  6. Alexander Semenov (Alexander Semenov) April 13 2020 14: 02
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    The Russian Federation will never fly to the moon with such a level of automation and electronics. Forget about the moon and farm, and that will be more good for everyone.
  7. A.Lex Offline
    A.Lex (Secret information) April 13 2020 14: 18
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    I came up with an interesting thought:
    Most of the Soviet-Russian achievements in the space (and in any other strategic) industry was when ducks like "SOI Program" appeared in newspapers in the West. Then our leadership and the scientific part of society began to move - the leadership weighed a magical pendell on science, and that (from such stimulation of the brain) began to give out really something worthwhile.
  8. Cyril Offline
    Cyril (Kirill) April 13 2020 15: 13
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    One continuous emotions and no coherent content. The moon, Syria, Gagarin ... all in a bunch.

    In fact, rasusonivaniya on the topic "Americans grabbers, the cosmos should be common" - this is the reasoning of the rogue. Space is needed to master it, and whoever does it first - that and slippers. What would Russia say if, say, someone said “they should be shared” about our Siberian oil deposits? But there is no fundamental difference where the resource is located - in Siberia or on the Moon.

    Regarding congratulations on April 12th. Normal congratulations. In Russian, indicating the date. Only the gifted will not understand. If someone has a bad memory for Gagarin's surname - well, his problems.

    But omitted by Mask Rogozin on Twitter, of course, you need to be indignant.
    1. shadow Offline
      shadow April 13 2020 17: 45
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      This is the one whose boats explode and mice in space run?)) Well, well.
      1. Cyril Offline
        Cyril (Kirill) April 13 2020 17: 58
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        and mice run in space?))

        - the mice in your head are running. In the empty.
        1. shadow Offline
          shadow April 13 2020 18: 07
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          But you have it complete, the only question is what, but obviously this is not connected with the mind.
          1. Cyril Offline
            Cyril (Kirill) April 13 2020 18: 28
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            But you have it full, the only question is

            - I have complete brains.

            At least I’m smart enough to see what kind of “mouse” I was running during the broadcast of the SpaceX launch on the engine. You didn’t have enough. Well, it happens.
            1. shadow Offline
              shadow April 13 2020 18: 34
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              It’s only that the rocket was in space at that moment, but it’s difficult for you to realize, to see. You can immediately see who has what in his head. And if we take a closer look to the right of the mouse, we will see how the fabric sways. Rockets made of fabric. Fine.

              https://zen.yandex.ru/media/2020/mysh-v-kosmose-polzaet-po-soplu-rakety-ilona-maska-5dfbcbf41ee34f00afdf178c
              1. Cyril Offline
                Cyril (Kirill) April 13 2020 18: 58
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                That's just the rocket was in space at that moment ...

                Naturally, because it was a broadcast of a space launch.

                And if we take a closer look to the right of the mouse

                You'd better look at the "mouse" carefully - maybe it would have dawned on you then that this is not a mouse.

                we’ll see how the fabric sways. Rockets made of fabric.

                Of course, I understand that you do not know such a thing as “thermo-insulating foil”, so I’ll try to fix the problems in your knowledge:

                https://habr.com/ru/post/198364/

                Here, read and enjoy learning that such a “fabric” is used everywhere in space technology. Including in Russia.
                1. shadow Offline
                  shadow April 13 2020 19: 12
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                  Only now, obviously, it is not of a golden color, as it should be. And it is used to minimize radiation. As a rule, it is used for spacesuits and capsules where astronauts are located, and not on the engine. Probably, it specially wrapped the space where the astronaut - the mouse was.
                  You probably have poor eyesight, as you can clearly see the silhouette of the mouse. I advise you to buy glasses if your eyesight is bad.
                  1. Cyril Offline
                    Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 00: 59
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                    Only now, obviously, it is not of a golden color, as it should be.

                    Thermal insulation foil for spacecraft can be made with a sputtering of aluminum, silver or gold. Gold is preferable, but it is also more expensive. Therefore, someone uses gold foil, someone uses cheaper aluminum.

                    For example, Soyuz spacecraft also uses gray foil.

                    As a rule, used for spacesuits and capsules where astronauts arebut not on the engine. Probably, it specially wrapped the space where the astronaut - the mouse was.

                    Thermal insulation foil is used to protect a wide variety of devices and their structural elements. For example, satellites:



                    You probably have poor eyesight, as you can clearly see the silhouette of the mouse

                    If in your parallel reality there are such skinny mice with a body-thread - then maybe a mouse.

                    In normal reality, this is a piece of icy condensate that always forms on engines due to the fact that their design is cooled by cryogenic fuel.
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                    2. shadow Offline
                      shadow April 14 2020 03: 50
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                      Good pictures, that's just what these units are, it is not clear. Or rather, these are solar panels, not engines. Well, with electronics this is understandable. Here are just a video, condensation with a tail and ears runs. And the foil somehow strangely sways, it feels like it is filling with air in an airless space.
                    3. shadow Offline
                      shadow April 14 2020 04: 06
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                      There, it turns out, also the fly flew out. Well, finally))))
                      1. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 08: 18
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                        Okay. Since you cannot prove anything to you by any facts, we will go the other way.

                        1. "Video with a mouse" is a broadcast of the launch of CRS-19 (December 5, 2019).
                        2. The CRS program is the ISS cargo supply program using Dragon ships, which are launched exclusively on Falcon-9 rockets.
                        3. Let's say the broadcast with the “mouse” is really a fake and everything was filmed on Earth in the hangar. Let's even say that in Hollywood.
                        4. Once filmed in Hollywood - it means that the rocket did not fly anywhere. So? Since the rocket did not fly, it means that the ship with the cargo to the ISS was not delivered. So? So.

                        Then, my alternatively gifted friend, how do you explain these two messages Russian state TASS news agency?

                        https://tass.ru/kosmos/7278183

                        - about the launch of a rocket on December 5, 2019.

                        https://tass.ru/kosmos/7294731

                        - about the docking of the Dragon ship to the ISS on December 8, 2019?
                      2. shadow Offline
                        shadow April 14 2020 13: 16
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                        So I did not say that he did not fly. I talked about the record itself. About mice, but as it turned out later, and about flies. So they flew to the moon, and then squeal that they have no protection against radiation.
                      3. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) April 15 2020 01: 32
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                        So I did not say that he did not fly.

                        So if the rocket flew, then why would they falsify the record? Where is the logic?

                        About mice, but as it turned out later, and about flies.

                        - about the "mice" and about the "flies" - yes.

                        So they flew to the moon, and then squeal that they have no protection against radiation.

                        For short-term missions of 69-72 years, special protection was not required. Now it is required, because long-term missions with lunar bases are already planned.
                      4. shadow Offline
                        shadow April 15 2020 01: 38
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                        Believe in fairy tales about flying to the moon? When even the USSR proved that no one flew anywhere, catching their empty landing capsule. And yes, NASA has no evidence that they were there. Didn't you know that?
                      5. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) April 15 2020 02: 16
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                        When even the USSR proved that no one flew anywhere, catching their empty landing capsule.

                        Strange, but Putin says that the Americans were on the moon))
                        The same is said by the Soviet designer Feoktistov (by the way, who participated in the Soviet lunar program), the designer Chertok, cosmonaut Leonov, cosmonaut Grechko))
                        Stupid, probably)) the USSR exposed the Americans, but they didn’t know. laughing laughing

                        And yes, NASA has no evidence that they were there. Didn't you know that?

                        They have a ton of evidence. It's just that you are not able to recognize them)
                      6. shadow Offline
                        shadow April 15 2020 03: 35
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                        Only all their evidence they have gone somewhere, lost, still can not find.

                        Professor David Gelnerter stated that the Apollo Mission is the greatest fraud in human history and is even more stupid than the concept of global warming.
                        “If NASA scientists honestly admitted in 2012 that they still hadn't figured out how to properly shield a spacecraft from the radiation emitted by Van Allen belts, then how the hell did we send people into space in aluminum foil? And at a time when the activity of the Sun was at its peak? The answer is simple: it simply wasn’t, ”he concluded on this issue.

                        Putin

                      7. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) April 15 2020 07: 39
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                        Only all their evidence they have gone somewhere, lost, still can not find.

                        NASA has all the evidence. One film from the first expedition was lost (more precisely, it was erased), and that’s all. And these expeditions, I recall, were 6. And the films of all the others in place.
                        All lunar soil brought by astronauts for 6 expeditions (300 plus kg) is in place.
                        Here is a report (with photos) from the storage where the lunar soil is stored -

                        https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html

                        The report was made by Russian test cosmonaut Sergei Kud-Sverchkov during his joint visit with another Russian cosmonaut Oleg Skrypochka to the American storage of lunar soil.

                        Professor David Gelnerter stated that the Apollo Mission is the greatest fraud in human history and is even more stupid than the concept of global warming.

                        First, David Gelnerter is a professor of computer science and has nothing to do with astronautics. Secondly, David Gelnerter denies the theory of evolution and calls himself a proponent of "intelligent design." You can read about his statements here -

                        https://www.thecollegefix.com/famed-yale-computer-science-professor-quits-believing-darwins-theories/.

                        From this example we see that a person who has real merits in one area of ​​science, may well be an amateur in another. And, I remind you, Gelnerter has nothing to do with astronautics.

                        And thirdly, he never said the quote that you quoted. Its source is the online edition of WorldNewsDailyReport.

                        https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/trump-science-advisor-denies-apollo-moon-landings-ever-happened/

                        - here is the same article with a "Gelnerter quote."

                        What kind of publication is this? Take a look at their website under About Us under Disclaimer

                        - https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/disclaimer_/

                        I quote:

                        "WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website - even those based on real people - are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons , living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle. "

                        If you have troubles with English, see the translation:

                        WNDR accepts all responsibility for satirical character their articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in articles on this site, even those based on real people, are fictional, and any resemblance between them and any people, living, dead or undead, is simply a miracle.

                        To understand how "serious" materials are printed on this site, just look at the headlines of the news posted there.

                        In short, the comic online publication, which does not hide the fact that it publishes hilarious nonsense, published an article with a non-existent quote from Gelnerter. And the "lunar conspirators" were led and, not bothering to check the information, joyfully squealed about "Trump's scientific adviser who denies landing on the moon."

                        By the way, Gelnerter was never a scientific adviser to Trump. In general, never.

                        Now for Putin.

                        In your video, he talks about flying to Mars. Fly to him for several months, and during this time, indeed, the crew of the spacecraft with existing protection technologies can receive a fairly high dose of radiation.

                        The flight to the moon and back took only 7-8 days. Astronauts flying to the moon also received an increased dose, but it did not exceed that received by nuclear power plant workers or astronauts on the ISS.



                        - and here’s what Putin said bluntly that the Americans were not on the moon.

                        The fact that flying to the moon is not so dangerous for living organisms is evidenced by the fact that the USSR sent living organisms (5 turtles, larvae of flies, plants) flying around the moon with the probe Zond-2. After their return, they were examined and, in addition to minor changes in their organisms, this flight did not cause any consequences.

                        Regarding van Allen belts. Earth's radiation belts were discovered back in the late 50s by the Soviet Luna stations. That is, Soviet scientists also knew about these belts, and about radiation outside them. Nevertheless, until the year 74, the USSR developed its own flights to the moon. Now the question. If the USSR knew about van Allen belts and supposedly fatal radiation beyond them, then why was he planning his expensive "lunar project"? Excuse me, oligophrenics worked in the Soviet cosmonautics? It's hard to believe.
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                        shadow April 15 2020 10: 46
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                        One film?)))

                        https://ria.ru/20060816/52727659.html

                        And this is who said what.

                      9. Cyril Offline
                        Cyril (Kirill) April 15 2020 11: 11
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                        One film?)))

                        Yes, the film from the first expedition (which is with Armstrong). There were 6 such expeditions in total.
                        By the way, in 2009 this missing film was found - it was not lost anywhere. It’s just recorded a video signal from one of the subsequent Apollo missions.

                        And this is who said what

                        Here are just a single interview of this dude, shown in the vidos, does not contain any words about the moon and the landing on it. laughing

                        They made a cut from his interview, not related to the topic of the lunar expedition, and the voiceover quoted a fictitious statement by Gelnerter, taken from a comic site. Journalism is such journalism))

                        However, this is just your level, and they tried for you. And after all it worked - you are being led like a sweet one.
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                        shadow April 15 2020 11: 14
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                        But what was the official refutation? Did not have. And your unconfirmed la-la, nobody cares.
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                        Cyril (Kirill) April 17 2020 10: 08
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                        But what was the official refutation? Did not have.

                        - official refutation of what? Comic news on a comic site that does not hide the fact that it is comic?
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                      shadow April 15 2020 11: 46
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                      But turtles can carry radiation much more than humans. But you don’t know that.
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                      Cyril (Kirill) April 17 2020 10: 13
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                      That's just turtles can carry radiation much more than humans

                      - a lethal dose of radiation for turtles is only 3 times more than for humans. This does not take into account the fact that a person on the moon is in a multilayer spacesuit, which is so good at holding back radiation. And the hull of the spacecraft restrains some types of radiation quite effectively.

                      But you don’t know that.

                      - And still, probably, Soviet scientists did not know who planned the landing of Soviet cosmonauts on the moon. Here are the oligophrenics, right?
                    6. shadow Offline
                      shadow April 17 2020 17: 41
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                      But it’s nothing that David Gelernter gave an interview to the popular scientific journal Sindes Tudey, and not what you were talking about.
                      So, the price of your words is a lousy, small, yellow newspaper, which then also apologized for its lies.
                      What is a multi-layer suit? Is this zipper pajamas? )))))
                      Do not make me laugh.
                      So all you write is all a lie. I wonder how much NASA costs your services? After all, it has long been known that they have a separator that monitors social networks.)))) Mukhin also talked about this.
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                      shadow April 17 2020 17: 51
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                      About radiation. I say that you are a liar.



                      And Soviet cosmonauts have much better suits.
                      So it’s better not to stutter about your zipper pajamas.
  • shadow Offline
    shadow April 13 2020 18: 58
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    And what kind of mouse ran in space, answer. Very interesting. And then they did not answer.
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    321 (321) April 13 2020 18: 51
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    Quote: Cyril
    ... One continuous emotions and no coherent content. The moon, Syria, Gagarin ... all in a bunch.

    In fact, rasusonivaniya on the topic "Americans grabbers, the cosmos should be common" - this is the reasoning of the rogue. Space is needed to master it, and whoever does it first - that and slippers. What would Russia say if, say, someone said “they should be shared” about our Siberian oil deposits? .

    You are behind, and decently, you have already said, and by no means yesterday ...
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      Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 01: 34
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      You are behind, and decently, you have already said, and by no means yesterday ...

      And who? Are you talking about this alleged quote from former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright?

      It is unfair that such riches of Siberia belong to one country - Russia. They must be the property of the whole world!

      Well, I have very bad news for you - she didn’t say that. Never. laughing

      https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2015/06/23/597523-son-razuma

      - educate yourself. And read less different nonsense.

      What is characteristic is that those who claim that Albright spoke such words are asked about when and where she said this, they shut up and stupidly goggle their eyes. Naturally, they don’t give any primary sources))

      Ah, yes, in anticipation - Margaret Thatcher didn’t say this either:

      15 million people are economically justified on the territory of the USSR

      This "Thatcher quote" was first published in the book of A.P. Parsheva "Why Russia is not America", in this passage:

      At the end of the 80s I've heard just one phrase, which, perhaps, led to a revolution in my ideas about the world. Then I studied English, and once I came across some public speaking of M. Thatcher in the recordings on foreign policy. I respected and respect this political activist, especially for her English. She speaks clearly, with Oxford pronunciation, in a simple, understandable language, this is not some Bush for you, with her mouth as if stuffed with peanuts. So speaking about the prospects of the USSR, she said about the following, without explaining it in any way: “15 million people are economically justified on the territory of the USSR.” Once again, I scrolled through the record, maybe at least “fifties” (“fifty”?). No, it’s like "fiftyin" - "fifteen", I heard right

      What kind of speech Thatcher made, when and where it was made - Parshev, of course, "does not remember."

      And here is his later interview

      - http://www.pravoslavie.ru/guest/parshev.htm.

      He was asked about this "Thatcher quote." And here is his answer:

      This source has never been translated into RussianI am. Although talk about him has been going on for a long time. Someone mentions the figure of 15 million, someone - 50 ... But the thing is. This statement is quite old and does not apply to Russia, but to the Soviet Union, because Thatcher was the prime minister when the Soviet Union still existed. This was her speech on foreign policy. I heard him in the recording. It did not directly say that 15 million people should be left in the USSRbut it was said more cunningly: they say that the Soviet economy is completely ineffective, there is only a small effective part, which, in fact, has the right to exist. And in this effective part only 15 million people of our population are employed. That’s the meaning of Thatcher’s statement, which was then interpreted differentlyat. But the point is that from the point of view of modern politicians who do not always speak so openly as an “iron lady”, the existence of only those people who are engaged in an efficient economy is justified. And for us this is a very bad bell, because according to Western criteria, our economy is inefficient.

      laughing laughing
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        321 (321) April 14 2020 09: 25
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        You are behind, and decently, you have already said, and by no means yesterday ...

        And who? Are you talking about this alleged quote from former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright?

        It is unfair that such riches of Siberia belong to one country - Russia. They must be the property of the whole world!

        Well, I have very bad news for you - she didn’t say that. Never. laughing

        https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2015/06/23/597523-son-razuma

        - educate yourself. And read less different nonsense.
        ... Ah, yes, in anticipation - Margaret Thatcher also did not say this:

        15 million people are economically justified on the territory of the USSR

        . laughing laughing

        Please note that it was you, and not me, who mentioned Thatcher, and about reading "bullshit" - why should I read it, I personally still had the opportunity to receive information, but that someone bully didn’t say something publicly - does NOT mean that this was not said at all. So you, and not only you, remain in the same ignorance, and this was told to me, if not yesterday, by a person who is not the first generation in this pot “cooked”, and his descendants will continue to cook, in fact, already they do it - and have been wearing it for a decade .. well let there be a title laughing - sir, so what about your "enlighten" - it’s far from the fact that you can teach me something. But do not worry, I have enough ... hi
        PS And didn’t you try to learn the culture of communication? - this is about "stupidly goggle", you can easily get an answer, and no moder will have any questions. bully
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          Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 09: 33
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          Pay attention, it was you who mentioned Thatcher, not me

          And everything is simple. This “Thatcher statement” is often referred to in conjunction with the “Albright statement.”

          and the fact that someone bully did NOT say something publicly does not mean that this was not said at all

          So how did you find out then?)

          and this was told to me, even if not yesterday, by a person who is not the first generation in this pot “cooked”, and his descendants will continue to cook, in fact, they already do it

          Ah, yes, yes, yes ... "I have a friend whose name I will not say, but he knows for sure." laughing laughing

          far from the fact that you can teach me something

          You are right, I can’t teach you anything)) It’s difficult to teach something to a person who is not friendly with logic.
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            321 (321) April 14 2020 09: 56
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            and this was told to me, even if not yesterday, by a person who is not the first generation in this pot “cooked”, and his descendants will continue to cook, in fact, they already do it

            Ah, yes, yes, yes ... "I have a friend whose name I will not say, but he knows for sure." laughing laughing

            far from the fact that you can teach me something

            You are right, I can’t teach you anything)) It’s difficult to teach something to a person who is not friendly with logic

            And where is the contradiction with logic revealed here? But who knows, but you know better ... bully
            And with what fright did you decide that I would upload my sources of information here, just to make some unknown fan of the whole "maid in ..." like it? - this is most accurately said about you, you personally like Musk and what he does - well, let it be, as they say, your problem. But reading your correspondence with 123 - from the series - “and you prove it” is simply tiresome, in the end. bully
            And if I just start remembering about the statements of Kissinger, Albright, Powell and many others - there could be more than one article here, but I just don’t care, I have enough writing, no more than last week I handed over the monograph . bully
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              Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 10: 28
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              And where is the contradiction with logic revealed here? But who knows, but you know better ...

              The fact that Zakharova and Parshev talked about speech Thatcher, where she talked about 15 million, "and you suddenly say this:

              but the fact that someone bully did NOT say something publicly

              And really, where is the violation of logic?)

              but to read your correspondence with 123 - from the series - "and you prove" just tires in the end

              So no one forced you to constantly leave the topic, thereby taking the argument aside). They themselves are to blame.

              and if I just start thinking about the statements of Kissinger, Albright, Powell and many more

              And you give at least a couple where Albright, Powell and Kissinger say that the lands and resources of Russia should be shared))

              And with what fright did you decide that I would upload my sources of information here, just to make some unknown fan of the whole "maid in ..." like it?

              A good attempt to otmazatsya, but no))

              Yes, by the way, until I forgot. Last night I searched the topic of using non-invasive mechanical ventilation in Russia for the treatment of patients with coronavirus. And he dug up such a wonderful document called:

              Temporary guidelines "Prevention, diagnosis and treatment of new coronavirus infection (COVID-19). Version 3 (03.03.2020)" (approved by the Russian Ministry of Health)

              https://edu.rosminzdrav.ru/fileadmin/user_upload/specialists/COVID-19/Vremennye_MR_COVID-19_03.03.2020__versija_3__6-6_ver1.pdf

              On page 30-31 you can read this:

              Perhaps the beginning of respiratory support in patients with ARDS using non-invasive ventilation while maintaining consciousness, contact with the patient (see the clinical recommendations of the PHA “Use of non-invasive
              ventilation ”).

              This is to the question of whether in Russia it is allowed to use non-invasive mechanical ventilation machines (yes, that's what they are called) in the treatment of coronavirus.

              Well now) And now - bye-bye)
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                321 (321) April 14 2020 11: 21
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                And where is there a contradiction with logic? Yes, who knows, but you know better ...

                The fact that Zakharova talked about speech Thatcher, and Parshev - about speech Albright, on which both of them made supposedly scandalous statements about how they want to "torment Russia", and you suddenly say this:

                but the fact that someone did NOT say something publicly

                And really, where is the violation of logic?) ...

                Indeed, it is so "logical" to weave together the statements of Zakharova, Parshev and mine - well, these are the same people, right? laughing And where is the logic that you consider it possible for me to be responsible for the words of other people ... hi

                but reading your correspondence with 123 - from the series - "and you prove it" just tires, in the end.

                So no one forced you to constantly leave the topic, thereby taking the argument aside) They themselves are to blame ...

                Me??? You didn’t mix anything up? I wrote about your correspondence with 123, something tells me that I have different numbers in a nickname, and who wrote about logic here? bully negative

                and if I just start thinking about the statements of Kissinger, Albright, Powell and many more

                And you give at least a couple where Albright, Powell and Kissinger say that the lands and resources of Russia should be shared)) ...

                You forgot to write that you need a PIN code from the card ...
                I’ll drop everything and start spreading it - with whom I had conversations, when, where, about whom ... hi

                ... Yes, by the way, until I forgot. I still searched tonight on the use of non-invasive mechanical ventilation in Russia ...

                And why did I have to write all this? I have very little medical issues ...
                And with the fact that 123 and 321 are different, you already figured it out, I hope? bully hi
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                  Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 11: 32
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                  Me??? You didn’t mix anything up? I wrote about your correspondence with 123, something tells me that I have different numbers in a nickname, and who wrote about logic here?

                  Ah, to blame. Sorry - I thought it was one and the same person)

                  Indeed, it is so "logical" to weave together the statements of Zakharova, Parshev and mine - well, these are the same people, right?

                  So here you are

                  and the fact that someone did NOT say something publicly does NOT mean that this was not said at all.

                  - wrote on my examples with Albright and Thatcher)) You wrote, not me)
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      Cyril (Kirill) April 14 2020 02: 10
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      What is most amusing, the Russian Foreign Ministry also referred to the “Thatcher quote”. Quote Zakharova:

      1991, Houston, the ex-prime minister of Great Britain Mrs. Thatcher stated literally the following (here she quotes the alleged quote from Thatcher), if someone can say that there was no such statement, then we will only be happy about this, but, unfortunately, documents prove that this statement was"



      Naturally, what kind of “documents” these are, Zakharova did not say. And do not forget that Parshev in his book said that he "heard the record" with this "Thatcher quote", as he said, not in 1991, but in the "late 80s". This time.

      Two. Thatcher's performance in Houston in 1991 really was. But there are no documents about this, because it was a speech to the American oil industry workers, and it was all about purely oil business affairs.
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    shadow April 13 2020 19: 43
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    US President Barack Obama has decided to abandon the lunar program of the American Space Agency, reports BBC News. In his opinion, the budget of this project is greatly overestimated, although there is nothing innovative in it. In addition, the lunar program is already behind schedule. Obama added that other NASA projects are suffering from this.

    NASA chief Charles Bolden has already informed Roscosmos of the abandonment of the Constellation space program, as well as the cessation of the development of the Orion spacecraft and the Ares I and Ares V launch vehicles. This was reported by Interfax with reference to a statement by the head of the manned programs of Roscosmos Alexei Krasnov.
    It is reported that instead of financing the lunar program, NASA plans to allocate funds to private companies for the construction of a manned spacecraft. At the same time, journalists note that the American Space Agency has already spent about $ 9 billion on the Constellation.
    It is known that NASA's budget for 2011 will be about $ 19 billion. At the same time, in the next five years they plan to increase the budget by another six billion dollars. The decision to close the lunar program has already been condemned by members of Congress representing the interests of the people involved in the project.
    A new space exploration program was launched in 2004 at the initiative of George W. Bush, who was then president of the United States. It was assumed that the Americans would replace the worn shuttles with new ships, as well as get to the moon and build a habitable base there.
    The first flight of the new spacecraft to the ISS was to take place in 2015. By 2020, NASA experts expected to complete the construction of the base on the moon, and then begin preparations for the expedition to Mars. However, the implementation of the project was complicated due to a lack of funds and unsuccessful tests, as a result of which it began to lag behind the schedule.
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) April 15 2020 20: 43
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    Here with this takeoff and landing module there will be a big hassle. We believe that we are weakened in space. The Americans, too, have died. Many projects were canceled. All this skirmish is at the level of the office desk.