There are no restrictions: in case of conflict, Turkish S-400s will be able to bring down VKS planes


The long-awaited truce in Idlib has come. The Turkish Ministry of Defense said it intends to begin joint patrols of the M-15 highway with the Russian military on March 4. President Erdogan invited the Kremlin to jointly develop Syrian oil.


It seems that in the north of the SAR finally quiet and grace reigned, but for how long?

Unfortunately, everything is not so clear. A truce should not be confused with the world. The results of the operation "Spring Shield" can be evaluated in different ways.
On the one hand, the Syrians, with the help of the Russian Aerospace Forces, were able to recapture the southern half of the Idlib province from the Turks, and managed to secure the fixation of a new dividing line in their favor. This is, without a doubt, a significant militarypolitical success. On the other hand, Ankara is not going to take a step back from the north of Idlib. A significant military group with a heavy technique. President Erdogan promised to react harshly to any attempts by Damascus to move the border further:

In this process, Turkey reserves the right to respond to any attacks by the regime, anywhere and with full force.


President Bashar al-Assad, in turn, bluntly stated that Damascus intends to get the American and Turkish interventionists out of Syria, if necessary, by force. The problem is that the invaders are not going anywhere, on the contrary, they take root in key regions of the country: in the north, near the Turkish border, and in the east, where there is a large Kurdish enclave and oil fields.

Taken together, this all means that the ceasefire can end at any moment, as soon as either side feels ready to change the balance of forces in the region in its favor. Most likely, Damascus may take the initiative to finally squeeze the invaders from its territory. In this matter, much will depend on who will have air superiority during the offensive.

For the Syrians, TAI Anka shock drones, which very effectively knocked out military equipment, turned out to be an extremely unpleasant surprise. Today, the Russian and Turkish defense ministries compete with each other in calculating how many UAVs and anti-aircraft systems were destroyed during the Spring Shield operation. Ankara claims that it knocked out 8 ZARPK “Shell” of the SAR army, Moscow objects, indicating that out of 4 that were in Idlib at that time, only 2 complexes were damaged. Syrians are counted 20 Turkish UAVs shot down with the help of the Buk-M2E air defense system.

More importantly, the Turks were easily shot down several combat aircraft of the SAR Air Force, which supported the offensive of the government army. It's bad newsbecause Turkey’s air defense is considered relatively weak. The operation would last longer, the losses in aviation would be correspondingly greater. The worst thing is that next month Ankara will receive in service modern S-400 air defense systems of Russian production. President Erdogan said:

S-400 is already ours. We continue to learn to work with them. Anti-aircraft missile systems will be ready for use in April. Yesterday, I said that if the United States supplies us with Patriot air defense systems, we will also buy them.


Washington, in turn, demands Turkey’s refusal from the S-400 in favor of the Patriot air defense, but Ankara’s obvious desire is to cover its sky as much as possible from any surprises. Selling Triumphs to Turks before the end of the war in Syria could play a cruel joke with our allies from Damascus, and not only with them. In the event of a new aggravation and vigorous action by the Syrian Air Force and the Russian Aerospace Forces, distribution, albeit by accident, may fall into our pilots flying on the same aircraft with the Syrians. No recognition system will help them due to its absence on the S-400, according to Igor Konashenkov’s explanation:

The recognition system "friend or foe" is strictly individual for each state, and even weapons and military equipment that are exported from Russia as part of the military-technical cooperation are never installed.


However, the public may not find out about such incidents, since Russia has a law on classifying losses in peacetime, because officially our country does not fight Turkey.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 11 March 2020 13: 46
    +1
    S-400 can be dangerous not so much as a striking weapon, but rather as a means of detecting and aiming at a target.
  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 March 2020 14: 16
    -4
    It was impossible to conclude a truce with Turkey now. The Syrian army led the offensive, the Turkish UAV ran out. Another week of fighting, and Idlib if they had not been released, they would have imposed concrete. And now, in order to expel the Turks, a big war is needed. Voluntarily they will not leave, as are the Americans.
    1. master3 Offline master3
      master3 (Vitali) 12 March 2020 12: 31
      -1
      The Syrian army led the offensive, the Turkish UAV ran out.

      - losses of the Syrian army:
      151 tanks
      48 BMP.
      11 RAM "SHILKA".
      2 helicopter.
      50 anti-tank missile complexes.
      99 auto.
      11 UAV.
      20 missile installations.
      13 apt. weapons.
      23 memories 23 mm.
      4 fighters.
      4 PPO
      Of these, 117 tanks were destroyed, 9 were disabled, 25 were captured as trophies, and 32 were destroyed by BMP, 1 was disabled and 15 were captured as trophies. In addition, 5 SHILKA RAMs were destroyed and 6 were taken as trophies.
      Even if it’s at least half true, Assad must pray to God, or Allah, that the Turks will observe a truce.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 12 March 2020 14: 20
        +1
        Here "Even if it is true .." - keywords)
        1. master3 Offline master3
          master3 (Vitali) 12 March 2020 21: 59
          0
          Believe it or not is a private matter for everyone. Personally, I believe. The Turks have a very strong army (the second in NATO), and Syria will not be able to compete with them either technically or physically.
  3. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 11 March 2020 15: 58
    -3
    There are no restrictions: in case of conflict, Turkish S-400s will be able to bring down VKS planes

    - Ah, what an "expected surprise" ... - Who would have thought ... - But how many minuses, minuses ... for my previous forecasts ... - just can’t count ... -Hahah ...
    - Only these disadvantages to Erdogan ... - on the drum ...
    - Everything looks somehow strange ... everyone sings in unison that Erdogan lost, that he was "bent", etc ...
    - And what is the loss ??? Erdogan ran out of money and resources ... - and Erdogan flew to Moscow, was personally received by our guarantor, although the “deputy” of our guarantor would have come up for such a visit ... - But our guarantor has ... no more, except how to personally take a fined Turk ??? - But, nevertheless ... - the Turk was accepted, they supported him ... - with money, tourists, tomatoes, joint patrolling, etc ...
    - But Erdogan decided at the same time to milk his brothers in arms ... - NATO members ... - But here he got a bummer ... - And no one there will accept him as our guarantor ... - Trump him and He won't let him on the threshold, and he won't say hello to him ... - At worst, some American military attache can talk to Erdogan one-on-one ... - that's all ... - And no money, and no American weapons ... until Erdogan behaves well ...
    - This is for Moscow, Erdogan is always good (you are our prankster and a mischievous person), but with the Americans, such a number for Erdogan will not work ... - everything is strict with this ...
    - How will Erdogan and the Americans succeed ... - it's hard to say ...
    - But now he can use the S-400 ...- at his discretion ...
    - Respect to the author and my plus ...
  4. Afinogen Online Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 11 March 2020 17: 08
    +1
    In the event of a new aggravation and vigorous action of the Syrian Air Force and the Russian Aerospace Forces, our pilots may fall under the distribution, albeit by accident.

    They won’t be able to, the S-400 simply shuts down.

  5. Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 11 March 2020 17: 57
    +1
    I imagine the situation, as in 1942, during the Battle of Stalingrad, Stalin sold Hitler a batch of T-34 tanks ...
    1. KLV Offline KLV
      KLV (Konstantin) 12 March 2020 07: 42
      0
      Do not write stupidity, Igor Pavlovich! Like a 15 year old, by golly!
    2. Sapsan136 Online Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2020 10: 40
      +2
      Now imagine that on these T-34s there is a 37-mm gun, and the armor does not exceed 15 mm and approximately get what the Turks bought ...
  6. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 11 March 2020 18: 23
    -1
    More importantly, the Turks were easily shot down several combat aircraft of the SAR Air Force, which supported the offensive of the government army. This is bad news, as Turkey’s air defense is considered relatively weak.

    To the downing of aircraft, the SAA air defense has nothing to do with it.
  7. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 11 March 2020 18: 28
    -2
    They won’t be able to, the S-400 simply shuts down.

    In the video, only the author’s fantasies, not supported by anything.
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 March 2020 23: 42
    -4
    You forget the main thing - money does not smell.
    Nafig Turkey bought S-400 with money from terrorists, if around a bunch of countries it flies in Soviet and Russian cars.

    Did this friend or foe help a plane shot down over the sea? ..
    The answer is obvious.
  9. Dmitry Myachin Offline Dmitry Myachin
    Dmitry Myachin (Dmitry Myachin) 12 March 2020 07: 16
    +1
    They won’t be able to, for the S-400 VKS planes go under their own code, that's such a trick. Replacing the code leads to the failure of the entire complex, only the Turks have not been told about this.
  10. Sapsan136 Online Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 March 2020 10: 37
    +2
    Mr. Marzhetsky, I have already written to you several times that before writing articles, you need to thoroughly study the issue and certainly not from sources such as Rain and Echo Matz, as these sources are ridiculous because of their Russophobia and the absence of people who served them in the army, at least an ensign. Since there are many civilians here and you are one of them, for ease of understanding, I will try to explain to you the essence of the issue literally on the fingers, using the example of the MiG-29.
    So, in 1983, the USSR Air Force officially adopted the MiG-29 (type 9-12) aircraft, but this aircraft was supplied exclusively to the USSR Air Force, other countries did not receive it. What did other countries get? And other countries received the MiG-29 (type 9-12A - supplied to the countries of the Warsaw Pact) and MiG-29 (type 9-12B - supplied to foreign states that were not part of the Warsaw Pact). What's the difference? And the difference is big, as in the well-known expression about women ... If the MiG-29 (type 9-12), supplied exclusively to the USSR Air Force, can be called the standard of this machine, then the MiG-29 (type 9-12A, for the Warsaw Pact countries ) had more primitive onboard electronics and weapons, the MiG-29 (type 9-12B, supplied to countries that were not part of the Warsaw Pact), was even more primitive. So, I do not think that the S-400 air defense systems supplied to Turkey have the same capabilities as the S-400 air defense systems that were in service in the Russian Federation.
  11. av58 Offline av58
    av58 (Andrei) 12 March 2020 21: 37
    +2
    The Turks are undoubtedly able to bring down the planes of the Russian aerospace forces, but the first shot will mean a declaration of war. I think that in this case Putin will give the right order.
  12. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 13 March 2020 06: 29
    -1
    Quote: Sapsan136
    So, I don’t think that the S-400 air defense systems delivered to Turkey had the same capabilities as the S-400 air defense systems that were in service in the Russian Federation.

    And then you don’t need to think. This is an export version of the air defense system and everything is cut down to the range.