Again changed her mind: Bulgaria sabotages the Turkish Stream again

As a recent American poll showed, in all of Europe it is the population of Bulgaria (Serbia was not asked) that is most loyal to Russia. However, in reality, it was not going well with this country.


Let us recall the South Stream gas pipeline, which was supposed to pass through the territory of Bulgaria and at the same time bring considerable benefits to the country. Sofia refused to participate in the project after Russia began to pull the pipe.

This was followed by an incident with the construction of the Belene NPP, which ended in a trial. And, finally, Bulgaria became the only country that closed the airspace of our aircraft with humanitarian cargo for Syria.

Russia, despite all this negativity, agreed to lay the “Turkish stream” along the Bulgarian territory. However, the "partners", who promised to do everything on time, again took up their own. Sofia again began to tighten the gasket.

In addition to delaying the construction of the gas pipeline, the “brotherly” Sofia managed to accuse two Russian diplomats of espionage and put on the wanted list three of our citizens who allegedly (there is no evidence) poisoned Bulgarian businessmen.

The climax of this action was the statement by Bulgaria about a twofold reduction in the volume of purchases of our gas and the transition to American LNG. At the same time, Sofia continues to demand discounts from Gazprom.

It is worth noting that such an attitude towards partners is typical for modern Bulgaria. That is why most investors do not want to deal with an “unreliable" country.

However, Russia is patient. And this excerpt allows us to win the most complex geopolitical confrontations. So it will be this time.

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  1. Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 February 2020 09: 09
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    In general, Gazprom at random, without concluding any agreements, began to build several pipelines ....

    And now, even in court, he cannot sue for the failure of contracts ...
  2. Monster_Fat Offline
    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 20 February 2020 09: 13
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    Well, firstly, Bulgaria lives on loans from the IMF, the EU, the Development Bank, etc., and therefore, is not free to choose "partners" for transactions. Secondly, Bulgaria chooses partners and contracts based on its current political status (in the EU) and political and economic prospects - it is therefore clear that cooperation with sanctioned Russia is unpromising. Thirdly, LNG is much more “mobile” than the pipe and actually more convenient, especially since Bulgaria in its modern form, for the most part, is a private household with a bias in agriculture. Fourth, the stupid Gazprom, with its stupid imposition of long-term contracts, despite the current situation in the oil and gas market, has already pretty much bothered everyone with its flexibility in contracts.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 20 February 2020 10: 24
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      Bulgaria chooses partners and contracts based on their current political status (in the EU) and political and economic prospects - it is therefore clear that cooperation with sanctioned Russia is unpromising.

      We need to tell the Germans, otherwise they are not in the know, they are increasing cooperation and increasing. Stupid people .... probably. recourse

      LNG is much more “mobile” than the pipe and actually more convenient, all the more so because in its modern form - for the most part - Bulgaria is a private household with a focus on agriculture.

      The argument is just killer. It often expresses dissatisfaction with the high cost of connecting to gas distribution networks. Try to advise these people, instead of bringing gas to the house, switch to gas in cylinders ... because it is mobility and convenience. yes I’m sure you’ll hear a lot of interesting things about you and decently expand your vocabulary, winked learn new "winged expressions." fellow Just manage to record, otherwise they will be deleted from the site. repeat

      Gazprom, with its stupid imposition of long-term contracts, despite the current situation in the oil and gas market, has already pretty much bothered everyone with its inflexibility in contracts.

      If so tired, then why do they work with him? Do not like it - buy from others, no one is imposed. Surely it's convenient, right? Imagine, suddenly you refuse the "hateful" Gazprom and switch to spot trading good Now the whole world is in front of you. fellow Instead of getting boring boring gas bills every month, now you decide where and from whom to buy. In summer gas is cheaper, you can fill the shed with cylinders, otherwise it will be more expensive in winter. Instead of paying bored once a month, you will constantly monitor gas prices, life will become more interesting and eventful, especially if gas suddenly ends in February. Try it, maybe you will like it. yes
      1. AICO Offline
        AICO (Vyacheslav) 21 February 2020 01: 08
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        In summer, gas is cheaper, you can fill the shed with cylinders

        - and then at the wedding someone shoots from a gun into the wall of this barn, and half of the village, as it were, is also a topic, it will not have to be spent on gas - the dead will not freeze !!!
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 21 February 2020 08: 50
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          - and then at the wedding someone shoots from a gun into the wall of this barn, and half of the village, as it were, is also a topic, it will not have to be spent on gas - the dead will not freeze !!!

          Maybe, of course, and so. Jokes as jokes, but often tell how wonderful this same mobility is. I compared this difference with my own hands and wallet, which is better - the lack of gas, gas in a cylinder or in a pipe, for me this is obvious. Now not everyone has such an opportunity. But if you want, you can find a way out; if you want to fully appreciate all the charms of mobility, I propose for a month to abandon the water supply system, it’s hard to come up with something mobile in this regard. To complete the sensations, you can still buy water. Try it, you will like it. yes
          1. S.V.YU Offline
            S.V.YU 21 February 2020 11: 19
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            So then UKRROMONSTR did! They are supposed to!
      2. Paranoid50 Offline
        Paranoid50 (Alexander) 21 February 2020 15: 54
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        Quote: 123
        Do not like it - buy from others

        I apologize, maybe you aren’t in the know, but you just tried to reach the fugitive - an organism that has merged into a mattress, which has been blowing its cheeks and spoiling the air for a year. laughing hi
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 21 February 2020 16: 23
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          I apologize, maybe you aren’t in the know, but you just tried to reach the runner-up - an organism that has merged into a mattress has been blowing its cheeks and spoiling the air for a year now

          Are you sure? Maybe this is a dream pretended to be reality? smile But then, what's the difference? Their cheeks here and overseas are about the same size, you can’t fool them anymore. request And we need cleaner air. repeat
          1. Paranoid50 Offline
            Paranoid50 (Alexander) 21 February 2020 16: 56
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            Quote: 123
            Are you sure?

            Absolutely. Moreover, it was notified first hand (even at a time when there were location flags on the VO). As for the cheeks, you correctly noticed that for some reason these comrades think that they have everything in chocolate, respectively, and their cheeks are thicker. And here we are all with sunken Lanites almost rummaging around in the trash. wassat Yes, for six years on the site, most have become like relatives. fellow laughing
            1. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 21 February 2020 17: 28
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              I really didn’t think that the local team had such a long history. belay Thank you for enlightening. hi
              1. Paranoid50 Offline
                Paranoid50 (Alexander) 21 February 2020 17: 34
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                Quote: 123
                I didn’t think that the local team had such a long history. Thank you for enlightening.

                The fact is that the "Reporter" is the "daughter" of VO (the transition is automatic). And in VO always (and much more often) you can meet the same users. Everything is already there with the "little ones", i.e. You can see how long a person has been on the resource. Previously, there were flags of countries, but they were canceled (proxy shmoksi, etc.) So, for health - come again. hi
    2. andrew42 Offline
      andrew42 (Andrei) 20 February 2020 16: 48
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      I'll start with Second. On the contrary, it’s not Bulgaria who chooses partners and contracts, but they select it. Just because "firstly" sits on a needle and EU directives. In the third and fourth, false statements should also be stated up to the “opposite”, and this will be true. So, except for point (1), everything else you have is just bullshit.
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      boriz (boriz) 20 February 2020 17: 26
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      ... LNG is much more "mobile" than the pipe and, in fact, more convenient ... "

      But Bulgaria will not get LNG from the pipe? And why is LNG more convenient than pipe gas?
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    69 20 February 2020 09: 17
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    Russia is being bred, money is forced to throw money down the drain, and Miller is still treading a rake, subtracting all + lost profits from his pocket.
  4. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 20 February 2020 10: 11
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    Gazprom is not a private shop, but a state-owned company. Where is Putin looking? Change the entire leadership of Gazprom, the current one has ceased to "catch mice", failure after failure. They do nothing, only enrich themselves, they think exclusively about their pockets, their brains swam with fat. Find new smart energetic, and it is imperative that their salary be dependent on profit.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 21 February 2020 09: 08
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      Gazprom is not a private shop, but a state-owned company. Where is Putin looking? Change the entire leadership of Gazprom, the current one has ceased to "catch mice", failure after failure. They do nothing, only enrich themselves, they think exclusively about their pockets, their brains swam with fat. Find new smart, energetic, and it is imperative that their salary be dependent on profit.

      Surely, you are right in many respects, but, perhaps, this is not entirely true. The state owns a controlling stake in Gazprom. If managing a company is so disgusting, why don't the rest of the shareholders tear their hair out of despair and sell their stake? Hammer in the search for "dynamics of Gazprom shares" (long link) an interesting schedule will appear, I switched and looked for 5 years. Judging by the numbers, if they are engaged in enrichment, then not only their own. You can always change leadership, only new “smart and energetic” ones are usually still “hungry” and greedy. hi
    2. S.V.YU Offline
      S.V.YU 21 February 2020 11: 22
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      Not just to disperse the leadership of GAZPROM, but to put it on trial for INTENTIONAL DAMAGE to the state and its citizens!
  5. kriten Offline
    kriten (Vladimir) 20 February 2020 11: 06
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    The patience of Russia is an encouragement of a disregarding attitude towards Russia .... The pipeline pipeline mania everywhere today ends in failure.
  6. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 February 2020 16: 18
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    How will Bulgaria receive LNG? Nobody canceled geography. Or through the territory of Greece, or through Turkey. Gas carriers do not go through the Bosphorus.
    GazProm is not "patient." Gazprom signed contracts according to European rules. It was a common practice in Europe. It was called the Groningen Model of the Gas Contract. The main requirements are binding to the oil basket, the duration of the contract (at least 10 years) and the prerequisite “take or pay”. This all suited Europeans until recently. But now Groningen has dried up. And Europeans, like true "gentlemen", immediately changed the rules of the game. The pegging to oil prices does not suit them, the duration of the contract does not suit them, the “take or pay” principle does not suit them.
    Gazprom ends contracts with European countries in the next 3-4 years. With some countries even earlier. Prices will be tied to European hubs and will start to jump, as oil prices will jump. That is, they will depend on stock speculation. In such conditions, investing in the development of northern deposits does not make much sense.
    I think that first of all it will be necessary to disconnect Poland and Bulgaria from gas supply. But, as he wrote in another discussion, now it is necessary to disconnect Ukraine from gas supply. Alas and ah. The problem is not Gazprom, the problem is planning in the Kremlin.
    PS As the old plumber said in a bearded joke -

    Yes, you need to change the whole system!
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    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 February 2020 19: 20
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    Bulgaria again behaves like a woman with low social responsibility ... Obviously, you should not call the escort services of the USA brothers of workers ...
  8. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 20 February 2020 21: 51
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    I am tormented by vague suspicions that Amer’s LNG for the "brothers" will come from our Yamal ..
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    Vkd dvk (Victor) 20 February 2020 22: 48
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    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Well, firstly, Bulgaria lives on loans from the IMF, the EU, the Development Bank, etc., and therefore, is not free to choose "partners" for transactions. Secondly, Bulgaria chooses partners and contracts based on its current political status (in the EU) and political and economic prospects - it is therefore clear that cooperation with sanctioned Russia is unpromising. Thirdly, LNG is much more “mobile” than the pipe and actually more convenient, especially since Bulgaria in its modern form, for the most part, is a private household with a bias in agriculture. Fourth, the stupid Gazprom, with its stupid imposition of long-term contracts, despite the current situation in the oil and gas market, has already pretty much bothered everyone with its flexibility in contracts.

    Bulgaria today is a desert, with a miserable farm. Occupying 4% of the economy. And more recently, having this sector is 4 times more significant. The rest work on a rotational basis in toilets and beds of the EU.

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    Vkd dvk (Victor) 20 February 2020 22: 53
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    Quote: Sapsan136
    Bulgaria again behaves like a woman with low social responsibility ... Obviously, you should not call the escort services of the USA brothers of workers ...

    Bulgaria has always been a prostitute, many times vilely deceiving her own people. All wars Bulgaria waged either against Russia or against its allies. And how our guys were deceived by the proletarian solidarity of the German proletariat invented in narcotic delirium in 1941.
  11. Ivan Karnev Offline
    Ivan Karnev 20 February 2020 23: 40
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    The price of 1000 cubic meters of gas for Bulgaria from Gazprom is $ 210. The price of gas in the Dutch spot market is currently $ 100. With transport, he will leave up to 150 dollars. Why should we buy more expensive gas? The state owns 25% of the liquefied natural gas terminal in Alexandroupolis, Greece. A gas pipeline to the Greek gas system is currently under construction, which will be ready within 6 months. Gas will flow through Greece under a contract. No one wants to buy more than necessary.
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 08: 49
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      Bulgaria must buy gas in fulfillment of the contract. The contract will end, you can buy at European prices. No one forbids buying LNG. To health. After the end of the contract.
      1. Ivan Karnev Offline
        Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 11: 20
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        Yes it is. There is a “take or pay” clause in the contract, but there is also a clause in which Gazprom is obliged to transport a certain amount of gas. Now that Turkish gas is not transported through Bulgaria, Gazprom is also not fulfilling its obligations ..... it cannot claim ours! You have rights in the contract .... but also obligations.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 11: 31
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          That would all be fine, but ... Stockholm arbitration abolished the take-or-pay rule in relation to an agreement with Ukraine. And now Bulgaria requires a revision of the pricing agreement.
          Before our eyes, the West is killing the very meaning of the treaty. Now negotiations are underway between Bulgaria and Gazprom to change the pricing scheme. The price for Bulgaria is planned in the region of 140-150 dollars.
          And now, my personal opinion. At the moment, Gazprom is transporting all declared volumes. But Bulgaria wants to change the agreement. I have long been saying - the best policy for Gazprom: if you want to change the contract, then you must cancel the former. And let the West seek gas wherever it wants. Six months of such searches - and Gazprom will return all its money. How Western Europe will live, these are your personal problems.
          Regarding Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan does not have a resource base for supplying Europe and in particular Bulgaria. I am generally opposed to the development of gas fields in the Caspian.
          An interesting picture. The basis of Western jurisprudence is the postulate that "the law has no retroactive force." And the West itself violates this law. Therefore, I always say that concluding an agreement with any European country does not make sense. You can run into fines. Moreover, the courts in Europe are engaged.
    2. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 21 February 2020 09: 21
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      100 dollars in Holland, of course, is good, but who said that it will always be so? The link is an interesting chart, the dynamics of price changes on a gas hub:

      https: //bcs-express.ru/novosti-i-analitika/tseny-na-gaz-v-evrope-na-mnogoletnikh-minimumakh-stoit-li-volnovat-sia-aktsioneram-gazproma

      What will you do when the price rises?
      1. Ivan Karnev Offline
        Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 10: 56
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        When the price is low, they will be stored in Chiren (storage for 1000000 cubic meters). The annual gas consumption is 2,6-3 billion meters, not so much. The price of gas from Azerbaijan cannot be lower than the spot price of gas ..... but it is much cheaper than that of Gazprom. There are 2 major proven gas fields in Israel ... that is why the Greeks are the terminal, of which Bulgargaz has 25%.
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 21 February 2020 11: 40
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          When the price is low, they will be stored in Chiren (storage for 1000000 cubic meters). The annual gas consumption is 2,6-3 billion meters, not so much.

          The position is understandable, but has its flaws. A storage of 1 million cubic meters is good, enough for 3-4 months, and what to do next if the price does not fall? Do you have any industry left? How to plan production costs if it is not known how much gas will cost? If it rises in price, stop everything until better times?

          The price of gas from Azerbaijan cannot be lower than the spot price of gas ..... but it is much cheaper than that of Gazprom.

          If not a secret, how much? I’m trying to understand the intricacies of pricing, the fact is that Gazprom supplies gas to Azerbaijan, for 2018, for example, they supplied 1 billion cubic meters.

          http://www.gazpromexport.ru/partners/azerbaijan/

          It turns out that Gazprom is selling to Azerbaijan, those in turn to Bulgaria. Maybe Gazprom just sells its gas to you through intermediaries in order not to revise the price of a long-term contract?
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 11: 52
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            All right. Azerbaijan buys Russian gas. Why and why - these are the nuances. But there is no real resource base for filling the Southern Gas Corridor.
      2. Ivan Karnev Offline
        Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 11: 08
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        Many new suppliers are looking for a market: Qatar, Israel, and possibly Cyprus (where the volume of deposits has not been proven), so the Alexandroupolis terminal is an alternative to compressed gas. Larger tankers will be able to enter (lower transportation costs). We have a choice of whom to buy.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 11: 34
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          Perfectly. Cancel the previous contract, pay penalties and buy where you want.
        2. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 21 February 2020 11: 50
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          Many new suppliers are looking for a market: Qatar, Israel, and possibly Cyprus (where the volume of deposits has not been proven), so the Alexandroupolis terminal is an alternative to compressed gas. Larger tankers will be able to enter (lower transportation costs). We have a choice of whom to buy.

          The choice is good, but the question arises: how does gas come to Greece from Qatar, Israel (in the future, possibly from Cyprus)? Did they build pipelines? It turns out that gas is supplied to Greece in a liquefied form, this is the same LNG. Pipeline transportation is still cheaper. Now there is an oversupply of gas in the market, suppliers are dumping, but this will not always be the case. Some of them will not stand and will leave the market, therefore, the price will change. You will need to conclude a contract, possibly with the same Gazprom, but the price will not be as favorable as under a long-term contract. It turns out that you live today and do not think about the future?
      3. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 11: 33
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        100 dollars is on the hub. Taking into account transportation it will be more than 150 dollars.
        1. Ivan Karnev Offline
          Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 12: 39
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          Transport costs 50 km from the Baumgartner gas hub in Austria.
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 12: 42
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            This is from Baumgarten. But the price of 100 bucks is from the Dutch TTF. Pricing will come from him. There, transportation can go up a bit.
            1. Ivan Karnev Offline
              Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 13: 23
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              At the hub, sales are "virtual", it may be Russian gas. Gazprom sells gas to Europe for $ 120-130, and they resell it because demand in Europe is low due to the warm winter. Last year, the auction was held by Bulgargaz. and the Greek company won it. The price was 25% lower than ours ... and gas was from Russia.

              There is no complete happiness in life.
              1. Bakht Offline
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 17: 54
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                There is very little Russian gas at the TTF hub. There are other sources. Gazprom sells under long-term contracts. Only recently there appeared gas NOVATEK.
                Virtual is a completely different thing. Take an interest in how oil trading is going on ... And what is "deliverable futures". These are virtual sales. For example, global oil demand is about 90 million barrels per day. At least 500 million barrels are sold on exchanges per day. They want to plant gas sales on the same scheme. This is a paradise for speculators.
                1. Bakht Offline
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 18: 13
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                  This is from an analysis article for 2017. Since then, the situation has changed little.

                  Yes, the hubs in Britain and the Netherlands are mature and liquid enough to produce an adequate market price for Northwest Europe based on the current supply-demand ratio in this regionbut not for the whole of Europe. NBP or TTF prices cannot be benchmarks for the Mediterranean or Eastern Europe, where the market situation is differentbut local hubs are far from being liquid enough to produce prices for their region. In other words, tying gas supplies, say, to Italy, to TTF quotes is wrong, since they are "alien" to the Mediterranean, and the Italian PSV hub has been in its infancy for 15 years, and its quotes can be called quite tentatively.

                  Not everything is as simple as it seems to us. Or everything is not at all simple.
  12. Ivan Karnev Offline
    Ivan Karnev 20 February 2020 23: 46
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    Also: Bulgaria has a contract with Azerbaijan for 1 cubic meters of gas per year at a much cheaper price. As for the continuation of the “Turkish stream” through Bulgaria to Serbia and Hungary, it is under construction and will be at present. We must be objective. And for Gazprom’s policy, I leave it to you.
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 08: 49
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      At what price is gas purchased from Azerbaijan and for how long is a contract concluded?
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      123 (123) 21 February 2020 09: 25
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      Also: Bulgaria has a contract with Azerbaijan for 1 cubic meters of gas per year at a much cheaper price.

      Cheaper than in Holland? belay Did I understand you correctly?
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 11: 40
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        According to the State Statistics Service of Azerbaijan, in 2018, the export price of Azerbaijani gas amounted to $ 190 per thousand cubic meters.
        Data for 2019 has not yet been found.
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 21 February 2020 11: 52
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          Bakht
          Thanks, clarified. hi
        2. Ivan Karnev Offline
          Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 12: 42
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          The contract with Azerbaijan was signed 8 years ago. What is expensive gas, why do Turks buy it?
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2020 12: 56
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            Trade is a mutual offset of interests. Suppose you want to develop a gas field. Roughly speaking, your costs are $ 100 billion. Will you invest Only on condition that you have a long-term contract that, within, say, ten years, will recoup your costs. Moreover, the caveat is that the adjustment of production in gas wells is a complex process. This is where the Groningen model came from. Long-term contract and take-or-pay principle
            Spot trading is speculation. Unstable price of goods. The risk of staying with the goods in your hands, but screwing the valve will not work. And you have to burn a valuable resource.
            Specifically - why so expensive? Yes, because a contract has been concluded with reference to the oil basket. Below $ 60, the price of oil will not fall (shale workers will not allow it). Now the price at the hubs is low, because America’s shale can’t get associated gas. But this will not always be. It is possible that in a few years, the price of hubs will be more expensive than long-term contracts.
            I am against the development of Shah Deniz, because before my eyes the situation in Gazli and on Groningen.
            Now in Europe there are only two real hubs - these are England and Holland. Real deliveries amount to 130 billion cubic meters per year. This is catastrophically small for pricing. Therefore, all the talk about market prices and spot trading is a balm for the soul of speculators. It may very well happen that prices for consumers will increase (if the spot pricing principle wins).

            A mass of apologies that he dumped everything in one message. But I do not have time, and I said that in this matter there are a lot of nuances. You can’t figure it out without a half liter.
  13. gore Offline
    gore (Alexander) 21 February 2020 06: 36
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    Residents of Bulgaria - people with low social responsibility ...
    1. Ivan Karnev Offline
      Ivan Karnev 21 February 2020 11: 02
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      What does “social responsibility” mean? People want to live well and now, not in the future. Every country should seek interest. For 20 years, Gazprom has sold us the highest prices in Europe, and it’s quite normal to look for an alternative. 2 years ago, the price was more than 400 dollars.
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    pafegosoff (Arkhip Pafegosov) 21 February 2020 11: 23
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    Yes, the Ottoman Empire taught the Bulgarians to spin backwards. Here, again - another shank itch in front of the West.
    And Gazprom ... Well, pensioners, hard workers with a paycheck of 20 thousand and state employees with a salary of 5136 will pay for the experiments of GAZPROM (will they pay extra, they will pay extra up to the minimum wage (otherwise, how to tear off the tax?) - do you take taxes from billionaires?
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    nick g (xx) 22 February 2020 00: 45
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    Tambov Wolf is a better bratushka
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    Dust (Sergei) April 15 2020 17: 29
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    We ourselves are guilty, annexed Bulgaria at one time from Turkey .... now we disintegrate. In all world wars, Bulgaria fought on the side of the enemy. They are not brothers to us, but simple hypocrites.