5 myths about Stalin generated by anti-Soviet propaganda

After the death of I. Stalin, anti-Soviet propaganda generated a large amount of lies directed against the person of the great leader. In particular, he was often accused of "manic bloodthirstiness." However, according to research, repression from 1921 to 1953. About 2,5% of USSR citizens were affected. At the same time, all these measures were aimed not at the maximum destruction of people, but at the fight against those who tried to destroy socialism (including foreign agents).


Another myth is that Stalin was a poor commander in chief. Contrary to the report of Khrushchev about the psychological depression of the leader and his absence in the workplace at the beginning of the war in the early days of the fascist offensive, Stalin was in his office. Moreover, he refused to evacuate to the rear and in the most dangerous periods. At the same time, the commander in chief took an active part in the planning of military operations, including those that became devastating for the Nazis near Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge.

Another misconception was the accusation of Stalin in religiosity. Some "concessions" for the Russian Orthodox Church on the part of the Soviet government at that time were necessary to counter German plans, which implied the use of the Russian clergy during the war. At the same time, there was no talk of any change in the political vector in favor of religion.

The next myth is the statement that Stalin was a Russian nationalist and anti-Semite. That is exactly what the opponents of communism say. However, if we turn to history, it becomes clear that along with the Russians, other peoples of the USSR prospered. At the same time, people had the opportunity to learn and communicate in their native language, and one of Stalin's closest comrades was Lazar Kaganovich (Jewish by nationality).

And, finally, another absurd accusation of the leader in the destruction of the Lenin Guard. The "old Bolsheviks," such as Molotov, Kalinin, Kaganovich, and others, continued to work in the party apparatus. Representatives of the opposition were removed from their posts, only hiding behind the name of the first Russian Marxist.

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  1. sharp-lad Offline
    sharp-lad (Oleg) 27 January 2020 15: 30
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    Stalin was not an angel or a devil. Stalin was the Leader!
  2. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 27 January 2020 16: 59
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    Not a single myth is here.
    1. zenion Offline
      zenion (zinovy) 2 February 2020 14: 56
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      Or take off your glasses, or put on your glasses!
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 2 February 2020 16: 38
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        zenion
        Glasses have nothing to do with it. To understand this, it is enough to have at least the rudiments of consciousness.
  3. Citizen Mѣshkov (Sergѣi) 27 January 2020 21: 20
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    You can’t wash off a black dog!
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 28 January 2020 01: 17
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    1. The number of victims of Stalinist repression is a debatable issue. Touches the author of the article, hinting that the victims were "only" 2.5%. This is for a moment more than 4 million people (every 40 inhabitants of the country), of which about 2 million were either shot or died in custody. Most of the victims of the "great" terror were convicted by the so-called "troika", an extrajudicial body acting contrary to the Constitution adopted in 36. That is, all the sentences of the triples were illegal and, accordingly, the guilt of all the citizens convicted by them was not proved.
    2. Judging by the records of the visit journal, Stalin was absent from the workplace on June 29-30, before and after these dates, Stalin received visitors.
    3. The very phrase “accuse Stalin of religiosity” is amusing; I wonder who accuses the seminarian Dzhugashvili of “religiosity”?
    4. An interesting story with the name of General Zhadov:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/

    Zhadov Alexey Semenovich
    You can still google - “The fight against rootless cosmopolitanism”, “The Case of Doctors”, the murder of Mikhoels.
    5. Zinoviev G. E., Bukharin N. I., Kamenev LB, Trotsky, Dybenko, Blucher, Peters, Antonov-Ovseenko, etc.
    1. oracul Offline
      oracul (leonid) 28 January 2020 07: 29
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      You better try to compare the losses of Russia in the 90s, when mortality was almost universal, and do not try to hang all the victims of the USSR on Stalin for 32 years. The triples were created according to the insistent wishes of party leaders from the field, which A. Zhukov wrote in sufficient detail in his book "Unknown Stalin." And how they opposed the Constitution and Stalin. At least you tried to understand how party management was built and what the party elite of the "dictator" could have removed from office by a simple decision of the Central Committee Plenum. Live your mind, not horror stories of anti-Soviet. Stalin is not an angel, but not a devil in the flesh, on which all dogs are hung.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 28 January 2020 12: 09
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        Mortality in the 90s was increased, but never exceeded the pre-war level. And, as far as I know, in the 90s limits on the destruction of their own citizens were not approved.
        Zhukov’s theory that the dictator Stalin wanted to establish democracy in the USSR, but the evil party bosses were afraid of not being re-elected, and therefore forced Stalin to destroy non-loyal voters, does not seem realistic to me. The number of repressed could not greatly affect hypothetical choices.
        How many members of the Central Committee survived 38 years?
        1. oracul Offline
          oracul (leonid) 29 January 2020 07: 33
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          Firstly, requests for setting limits came from the field, not from Stalin. Secondly, this is not Zhukov’s theory, but a conclusion based on documents, access to which is still limited. Reread more closely his book. Thirdly, the population in the USSR grew despite the repressions and the wildest losses in World War II, and since the 90s it has been systematically falling in Russia. The peak fell on the 90s and this is reality, not my point of view.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 30 January 2020 01: 02
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            Firstly, these local limits were requested by Stalin himself.


            Then, these limits were raised upon request from the field, and it happened like this:


            Second, the

            Quote: oracul
            and the conclusion made on the basis of documents, access to which is still limited.

            Some kind of conspiracy theory.
            Like the idea that there was a conspiracy of party elites against Stalin with the goal of preventing the democratization of the USSR. Political opponents (inner-party) have already been removed from power and for the most part have been killed. Of the delegates to the XVII Congress of the CPSU (B.), More than half did not survive the 37-38 year. Of the 139 people in the Central Committee, 97 were repressed, and 5 committed suicide. Already full repression against the high command of the Red Army, and the army stood behind them. It is not very clear why the “Great” terror could be needed by hypothetical conspirators. The idea of ​​preparing for a democratic election does not seem realistic to me.
            Third, ask what demographic transitions are.
    2. zenion Offline
      zenion (zinovy) 2 February 2020 14: 58
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      Add to this, which is not at once, but over a large period. And if not for this, then according to Hitler’s plan, you would have to be without eggs if the eggs were left for your dad and your mother’s ovaries.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 3 February 2020 09: 50
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        Quote: zenion
        Add to this, which is not at once, but over a large period.

        Most (approximately 650 thousand) were executed in one year of great terror.
        I’m not ready to discuss anyone’s genitals, I’m sure you will find like-minded people who are interested in this subject as well as you.
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    nikolaj1703 (Nikolai) 28 January 2020 16: 56
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    80-85% of all victims of the Stalinist government are the result of domestic showdowns, denunciations of neighbors, bosses, etc.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 29 January 2020 01: 25
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      Where does this information come from? During the "Great" terror, the bulk of the victims were repressed through the so-called "Kulak line" and as part of national operations. In the first case, people were missing according to accounting data, they were recorded in the “fist” category in the early 30s, and it is hard to imagine how it was possible to get into this category by denunciation. In the second case, they looked at nationality (or surname) and again it is difficult to imagine what the denunciation could change here.
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    Roarv (Robert) 28 January 2020 17: 38
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    Interestingly, creating what empires (Roman, Golden Horde, Mongol Khanate, etc.), were the leaders angels?
    Sitting in a warm comfortable chair on the air of a television program or an online publication, all the angels .... and the language, eyes, and all other human organs are very tolerant of what is happening ....
    After the first blood and the smell of gunpowder, and the death of a soldier, the moment of truth comes - either you are a coward and stand apart with your ass and your hands held up soberly, or you defend yourself and save others, you take the lead ...
    What is I.V. Stalin to blame for - his fault is that the people wrote denunciations of each other ???
    Or that he did not finish Bendera to the third knee ...
    If everything is so simple, for some reason that under his leadership 32 years were created, they cannot surpass in all sectors of the economy, except to drive raw materials over the hill ...
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 29 January 2020 01: 31
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      Quote: Roarv
      What is I.V. Stalin to blame for - his fault is that the people wrote denunciations of each other ???

      The Finns scam each other for a sweet soul, but for some reason they did not arrange mass executions.
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 31 January 2020 05: 18
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        Quote: Oleg Rambover
        ... The Finns are blaming each other for a sweet soul, but for some reason they are not satisfied with mass executions.

        It seems that it’s becoming clearer what you dream about - in the future, so to speak - about denunciations ...
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 31 January 2020 17: 57
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          If the quality of life of Russians at the same time becomes the same as in Finland, then I see no problems.
          The main thing is that there shouldn’t be, as you dream, like under Stalin, mass executions, repressions and hunger ...
          1. 321 Offline
            321 (321) 31 January 2020 21: 58
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            Quote: Oleg Rambover
            If the quality of life of Russians at the same time becomes the same as in Finland, then I see no problems.
            The main thing is that there shouldn’t be, as you dream, like under Stalin, mass executions, repressions and hunger ...

            What I dream about, you do not even guess, so leave your assumptions to yourself. hi
            And everything else is already traditional, as everything tends to be repeated, it was already -

            there will be a market, he will regulate everything, we will heal ...

            - what all these dreams have poured out, we are observing, and we are not only observing now - but personally no one forbids you to dream like that any further, it remains only to understand that denunciations and quality of life are incompatible concepts, you understand ... bully
            1. Oleg Rambover Offline
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 1 February 2020 14: 18
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              What I dream about, you do not even guess, so leave your assumptions to yourself.

              How interesting, for some reason you can allow yourself to assume for others, but when they do the same for you, you begin to resent.

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              it remains only to understand that denunciations and the quality of life are incompatible concepts, you understand ...

              Have you been to Finland? When a Russian driver enters it, an amazing metamorphosis occurs with him, just before the border he walked you through a continuous one at a speed of 140, and as he crosses that border, he immediately becomes a model driver. Because he knows that the Finn is "not zapadlo" to knock the police about traffic violations. Thanks to this, too, the mortality on the roads of the Finns is four to five times less than in the Russian Federation.
              Of course, your communists built one of the worst types of capitalism, monopolistic, but it’s still hard not to notice the striking difference between the USSR store and the Russian store. There is competition in the field of cellular communications and this connection is one of the best and cheapest in the world. Or grain, after the Stalinist collectivization of the USSR turned into an importer of grain, and the Russian Federation became one of the largest exporters.
              1. 321 Offline
                321 (321) 1 February 2020 21: 55
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                Already somewhere here it was - about the difference between the stores, well, sausage is a special category, but the taste of the ice cream that was before, I have not seen for a long time, ANYWHERE, and if only ice cream ...
                Guess why?
                And the fact that you either can’t or don’t just want to think about why the Finns are doing so well, why the exporter, and many more why, but you usually don’t answer such questions, either out of ignorance or out of reluctance, the reason is somehow not very important.
                And as for the fact that informers - yes, that’s right, and the quality of life are INCOMPATIBLE - well, maybe you will understand this someday, I will definitely not convince you of this.
                1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 2 February 2020 12: 54
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                  Guess why?

                  We were younger, the grass was greener, the trees higher and the girls more interested than Stalin?
                  Soviet sausage was quiet horror, like pasta, dumplings and much more, and the eternal deficit of almost everything except seaweed and Druzhba cheese, everything had to be taken out.

                  Quote: 321
                  but you usually don’t answer such questions

                  I do not answer? Are you telling me this? You who did not answer a single question and did not give a single argument? Bravo!!! I am delighted.
                  The quality of life of the Finns consisted of many factors, for example, due to the regime of power (liberal democracy), Mannerheim also said that it was necessary to solve social problems so that the Finns would not fall under the influence of Bolshevism. Religion may have influenced. This is a large and complex topic, it certainly does not make sense to discuss with you, you cannot answer anything reasonably.
                  For grain, what do you want to say? What should I answer?
                  And about the denunciation ... If a citizen sees an offense and reports it to a government representative, what do you see the problem? The inevitability of punishment, an active civil position, what are the disadvantages?
                  I don’t know what about squealing, but the Finns are quite practicing denunciation and combine it with the quality of life without any problems.
                  You do not need to convince me (and you are unlikely to succeed), but clearly articulating your position would be nice.
                  1. 321 Offline
                    321 (321) 2 February 2020 13: 30
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                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    ... Soviet sausage was quiet horror, like pasta, dumplings and much more, and the eternal deficit of almost everything except seaweed and Druzhba cheese, everything had to be got ...

                    Everything is as usual, you write that sausage is a special category, you basically answer about it, already wrote - to you, or not to you personally, it doesn’t matter to your colleague in Russophobia and USSR hatred - if you could not, or your parents to realize how could you generally DO NOT buy sausage in those stores, then this is purely your problem or that of your parents and relatives, and they wrote to you about something else, actually, BUT when such little things bothered you, right?

                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    ...I do not answer? Are you telling me this? You who did not answer a single question and did not give a single argument? Bravo!!! I am delighted...

                    Remain in this state further, it may still be called in a different way, but we will omit this for now ...

                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    ... The quality of life of the Finns consisted of many factors, for example, due to the regime of power (liberal democracy), Mannerheim also said that it was necessary to solve social problems so that the Finns would not fall under the influence of Bolshevism. Religion may have influenced. This is a big and complicated topic, it definitely makes no sense to discuss it with you, you cannot nothing reasonably answer ...
                    And about the denunciation ... If a citizen sees an offense and reports it to a government official, what are you you see a problem? The inevitability of punishment, an active civil position, what are the disadvantages?
                    I don’t know what about squealing, but the Finns are quite practicing denunciation and combine it with the quality of life without any problems.
                    You do not need to convince me (and you unlikely succeed), but clearly articulating our position would be nice.

                    What could be simpler - squealing and denunciation - in fact the same thing, you have ahead in essence the study of social science, law, then the theory of state and law, .. for now, if you want enough, you will study and delve into the essence of the phenomenon, if you don’t want to, it’s your choice, I already wrote that before you get involved in the discussion you need to have at least a minimum set of knowledge, you don’t even have a grammar (highlighted in the text), but there’s nothing to talk about the rest ...

                    P.S. You didn’t write about the change of import to export there, but what about grain? take an interest in what then and what now, WHAT grain and conclusions do not forget to draw ...
                    1. Oleg Rambover Offline
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 4 February 2020 00: 49
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                      Everything is as usual, you write that sausage

                      How do you care about sausage, are you malnourished in your childhood?
                      You struck another bottom by switching to insults from my parents. I ask you, tell me that you were a Russian officer, not a Soviet one.
                      You can not worry about my parents, my mother worked in the auction. You don’t understand this, but when people earn money for their hard-earned money, or stand in hourly lines with obscenities and fights, this degrades their dignity.

                      Quote: 321
                      What could be simpler - squealing and denunciation - essentially the same thing, you have ahead in essence the study of social science, law, then the theory of state and law

                      As I understand it - you again have nothing to say on the topic? I’m wondering, you are giving out assessments of other people's knowledge, but not once, even so, NEVER, during all the time of communication with you, have you demonstrated not only the specialized knowledge of specialized education, but at least elementary, well-known.
                      This is an elementary question. You said that denunciation and a high quality of life are incompatible. I reasonably asked how this is combined in Finland. You incurred some kind of heresy about social studies, law, then theories of state and law. This is a departure from the answer. You just have nothing to say. No other conclusion can be drawn from your words.

                      Quote: 321
                      take an interest in what then and what now, WHAT grain and conclusions do not forget to draw ...

                      What a bad way to speak in riddles? If there is anything to say, say it. If not, then why breed verbiage?
                      In fact, the Soviet Union during the NEP almost reached the level of grain export in the Republic of Ingushetia, then an effective manager Stalin came to power and exports fell sharply, and the population began to starve. Then, at the time of Khrushchev, they decided that it would be nice to feed their own population, and grain imports began. At the beginning of 2000, the Russian Federation was able not only to grow grain for its own needs, but also enough for export. What grain was imported during the Soviet era and which is exported now, is something changing? From this fact, that the USSR could not provide itself with grain, is it somehow changing?

                      Quote: 321
                      have at least a minimum set of knowledge, you do not even have a grammar yet

                      Poor, I feel sorry for you, you have to run around the forum looking for my illiterate, without a minimum set of knowledge, comments, read them and write response comments for hundreds of words, the whole meaning of which is to say how illiterate, without a minimum set of knowledge, my comments .. .. You are a passionate person.

                      It may be called in a different way, but we will omit this for now ...
                      1. 321 Offline
                        321 (321) 4 February 2020 07: 26
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                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        ... How do you care about sausage, are you malnourished in your childhood?

                        Yeah, you, as usual, “forgot” that, in response to my post, did not mention in a word what I wrote to you first of all - about ice cream and the quality of those products, but my clause - about sausage, is still bloated , well, well ... I’ve eaten sausage since childhood from, in modern terms, a farmer, you don’t buy it with all desire, everything is painted ahead for a long time.

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        ... You broke through another bottom by switching to insults from my parents. I ask you, tell me that you were a Russian officer, not a Soviet one.
                        You can not worry about my parents, my mother worked in the auction. You don’t understand this, but when people need to beg for some goods or stand in hourly lines with obscenities and fights, they degrade their dignity ...

                        I didn’t try to worry either about you or about your parents, you’re simply NOT able to understand the elementary - you and your like-minded russophobia traded queues for the fact that now you, and not only you, consume chemistry at best.

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                        What could be simpler - squealing and denunciation - essentially the same thing, you have ahead in essence the study of social science, law, then the theory of state and law

                        This is an elementary question. You said that denunciation and a high quality of life are incompatible. I reasonably asked how this is combined in Finland. You incurred some kind of heresy about social studies, law, then theories of state and law. This is a departure from the answer. You just have nothing to say. No other conclusion can be drawn from your words ...

                        I’m not going to chew personally for you - if you are satisfied with denunciation = rattling, then this is purely your choice and your problems, the Finns may have it at this stage, but it’s NOT endless, as if you and the others didn’t want it ...

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Quote: 321
                        ... What a bad way to speak in riddles? If there is anything to say, say it. If not, then why breed verbiage?

                        In fact, the Soviet Union during the NEP almost reached the level of grain export in the Republic of Ingushetia, then an effective manager Stalin came to power and exports fell sharply, and the population began to starve. Then, during the time of Khrushchev, they decided that it would be nice to feed their own population and the import of grain began. At the beginning of 2000, the Russian Federation was able not only to grow grain for its own needs, but also enough for export. What grain was imported during the Soviet era and which is exported now, is something changing? From this fact, that the USSR could not provide itself with grain, is it somehow changing?

                        Quote: 321
                        have at least a minimum set of knowledge, you do not even have a grammar yet

                        Poor, I feel sorry for you, you have to run around the forum, looking for mine illiterate without a minimum set of knowledge, comments, read them and write response comments for hundreds of words, the whole meaning of which is to say how illiterate, without a minimum set of knowledge my comments ....

                        It was you who wrote that export is now, but earlier ... - and look, or find out what and what quality is being sent there now and what remains with us - well, if you live in Russia, of course, and from which everything is now It’s being manufactured - you do not have enough time for such a brainstorming, or you don’t have enough knowledge, but the fact that you don’t know how to draw conclusions has been clear for a long time. If you want to eat something from straw (figuratively) - this is YOUR CHOICE. am
                        And I am answering you for the only reason - that you would not infect someone else with your "USSR hatred virus". And Russophobia, even in yours, even in whose performance, will not remain unanswered ... hi
                      2. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 5 February 2020 22: 43
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                        Yeah, you, as usual, “forgot” that, in response to my post, did not mention in a word what I wrote to you first of all - about

                        Are you going to prove the advantage of social order based on the taste of ice cream? Remember what the chicken looked like in the shops. In general, Soviet enterprises were aimed at fulfilling the plan, the quality was secondary, they could be sacrificed for the implementation of the plan. Something was better, something worse, but overall the quality was lame.

                        Quote: 321
                        Ever since childhood, I have been eating sausage from, in modern terms, a farmer; if you wish, you won’t buy it, everything is painted ahead for a long time.

                        If you have no problems with sausage, why are you telling me every comment about it? Want to talk about it?

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                        you and your like-minded Russophobia queues have been traded for the fact that now you, and not only you, consume chemistry at best.

                        According to Russophobia, this is your wild fantasy, and in general, are you a Russian nationalist?
                        If chemistry were true, then life expectancy would be like under Stalin, and now at the level of the most prosperous Brezhnev era.

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                        Finns, it may turn out at this stage, but it is NOT infinite, however much you and the rest would like it ...

                        And, so you still really have nothing to say about this, but I thought you did not want to share your knowledge. Not that it’s not forever under the moon (as the USSR has shown us), but I strongly doubt that informing will cause Finnish problems.
                        And in general, denunciation, condoning is condemned in criminal morality, it is not necessary to transfer this to ordinary life. Do not be surprised if you are a fan of Radio Chanson.

                        Quote: 321
                        It was you who wrote that export is now, but earlier ... - and look, or find out what and what quality is being sent there now and what remains with us - well, if you live in Russia, of course

                        The USSR imported food-grade grain, the Russian Federation exports food-grade grain. What conclusions do you draw from this? What did Stalin's collectivization make the agriculture of the USSR ineffective?

                        Quote: 321
                        And I am answering you for the only reason - that you would not infect someone else with your "USSR hatred virus".

                        Ahh, so you are a fighter for a bright past. I don’t know how the Stalinists do, but personally I think that the reasoned defense of my position looks much more convincing than petty banal rudeness (I repeat, not worthy of the rank of officer).
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                        321 (321) 6 February 2020 08: 30
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                        What do you personally think is rudeness and what, I don’t care about the rest of your postulates - well, you don’t want to find out the details and details - this is your choice, remain in your errors and further - what about quality, what about grain, what about life expectancy, and there’s still a lot of things, and your opus can’t be called “argued upholding of a position”, there are not enough invoices there, to put it mildly :) - would you like to eat what they sell to you in the store? Please, this is your CHOICE, are you sure that your life expectancy has increased? Consider this further, the statistics have already increased the indicators, all we had to do was to replace the leadership and something else, and we all quickly began to live better - but on paper ...
                        And your attempts to write something about the criminal world here laughing - if your parents did not teach you the basics of morality in childhood and the fact that sneaking - in a very childish language is bad, then I definitely can’t help ...
                        And I don’t listen to the radio, at all, on TV I watch only volleyball, basketball, and well, the finals of something on football, and, at best, that's all ...
                        And about the advantages of building - well, if you are NOT capable of catching analogies - I can sympathize, but there’s nothing to help, I have to help you, and I have to repeat myself, continue to think that there is no chemistry in the products - I just finished working in the laboratory a month ago (we’ll call it that) a man who, for many, many years, himself, and at my request, checked the quality of products, including, and you’ll try to prove something to me here ... laughing bully hi
                        PS Who do you consider me there - a wrestler, or someone else - but what difference does it make to me, many years ago I found out - "do what you must and be what will be", so you should not re-educate me, "this is troublesome ..." ...
                      4. Oleg Rambover Offline
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 February 2020 00: 46
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                        Quote: 321
                        and your opus can’t be called a “reasoned defense of the position”, there are not enough textures, to put it mildly :)

                        Perhaps you are right, but for some reason you are not able to challenge even this weak texture. And I have at least some kind of "texture", you do not have it from the word at all.

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                        Would you like to eat what they sell to you in the store? Please, this is your CHOICE, are you sure that your life expectancy has increased?

                        Excuse me, do you eat pure pasture?

                        Quote: 321
                        Consider this further, the statistics have already increased the indicators, all we had to do was to replace the leadership and something else, and we all quickly began to live better - but on paper ...

                        Here you are right, statistics are such a thing, uh ... complicated. But in Soviet times, it was also not very reliable. And you know, this is progress, now, if you do not like statistics, the leader is fired, under your beloved Stalin, when he did not like the result of the census of 37 years, not only the boss, but also a bunch of his subordinates were not only fired, but also shot. You are too pessimistic, you need to see positive in everything.
                        And if you live in the Russian Federation, even without any statistics, you would notice that if half of your peers did not cross the 40-year-old threshold, then as under Stalin, if among your friends the average age for leaving the world is closer to 70, then as under Brezhnev.

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                        And your attempts to write something about the criminal world here - if your parents did not teach you the basics of morality in childhood and the fact that sneaking - in a very childish language is bad, then I definitely can’t help ...

                        Again you are about my parents. Why didn’t yours teach you to talk without rudeness? First, morality is inconsistent and varies over time. Secondly, about 30 thousand people die on the roads of the Russian Federation annually, most of it due to a violation of the speed limit. If citizens begin to report a violation of the speed limit, then they will drive less and less people will die on the roads. It’s moral that benefits people, society. It is immoral to harm society. Violation of traffic rules reduces road safety and leads to death, it is immoral. Protecting a traffic violator through non-reporting generates a feeling of impunity, lowers road safety and leads to loss of life, this is immoral. Reporting traffic violations gives rise to a sense of inevitability of punishment, increases road safety and leads to the saving of people's lives, this is moral.

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                        which for many, many years, he himself, and at my request, checked the quality of products, including, and you will try to prove something to me here ...

                        What a versatile person you are, an officer (boorish, true, but who is not without sin), a teacher, a historian who writes scientific papers, the owner of a laboratory for product quality control, and for many, many years checked the quality of products. For some reason, I immediately remembered the refrain of a good Soviet song:

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                        321 (321) 7 February 2020 06: 57
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                        ... Perhaps you are right, but for some reason you are not able to challenge even this weak texture. And I have at least some kind of "texture", you do not have it from the word at all. ...

                        Don’t even try to confuse the notion “I can’t” and “I don’t want” - it’s completely different, I have already written more than once, why do I need a convinced, one might even say a fanatical Russophobe and a USSR hater like to convince you? It is enough for those who read your opuses to show what and where you have, and they will all understand

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                        ... And you, excuse me, eat clean pasture? ...

                        And for what purpose are you interested in? You won’t succeed, and too much knowledge is harmful to you - and so everything goes quite naturally ...
                        You can’t do without shopping at the store, you are tortured to make the same salt yourself, and the rest - do you need a list? He will not, I certainly will not supply you with such information.

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                        ... under your beloved Stalin, when he did not like the result of the census of 37 years, not only the boss, but also a bunch of his subordinates were not only fired, but also shot. You are too pessimistic, you need to see positive in everything ...

                        Already repeatedly to you and not only, he wrote about Stalin and about everything else - well, it doesn’t reach you, so these are your problems - there will be a desire, re-read it again - you only seek to cry - both Stalin and the USSR, but this is not true fundamentally.

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                        ... Again you are about my parents. Why didn’t yours teach you to talk without rudeness? First, morality is a variable quantity and changes over time. Secondly, about 30 thousand people die on the roads of the Russian Federation annually, most of it due to a violation of the speed limit. If citizens begin to report a violation of the speed limit, then they will drive less and less people will die on the roads ...

                        Let's start with the SDA - you’ll search for at least Shmaru or Maru Baghdasaryan, and continue to confidently broadcast what is written a little higher — this is your product, liberals and marketers, so eat a full spoon, in the USSR it was practically not ...
                        Well, your pearl about the variability of morality - urgently in granite, as it reveals your essence, you (all) ... bully

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                        ... What a versatile person you are, an officer (rude, true, but who is not without sin), a teacher, a historian writing scientific papers, the owner of a food quality control laboratory, and for many, many years checking the quality of products ...

                        When you learn to read, then maybe you will understand - where did I write that I HAVE a laboratory? A quote to the studio, otherwise you are a balabol, or Mr. liar, but what about the rest - do you expect me to publish my biography here? Well, wait, but in fact, all of the above can be easily combined with you, and I, unlike you and your colleagues, wrote nearly a ton of scattering articles in the archives, and not just one hundred hours, and not only in Russian ...
                        And whether you believe me or not - what difference does it make to me, you are NOT one of those whose opinion is important to me ...
                        And no one forbids you to believe that life expectancy has increased. laughing
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                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 February 2020 02: 08
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                        Don’t even try to confuse the notion “I can’t” and “I don’t want” - it’s completely different, I have already written more than once, why do I need a convinced, one might even say a fanatical Russophobe and a USSR hater like to convince you? It is enough for those who read your opuses to show what and where you have, and they will all understand

                        I somehow do not care, “I can’t” and “I don’t want”, the fact remains a fact, you cannot dispute.
                        Do you think, reading yours, everyone will immediately become Stalinophiles and Slavophiles? Maybe those who served in the army for 20 years and your “testimonies” are understandable, but not all of them. Be simpler and people will reach for you.

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                        And for what purpose are you interested in?

                        Speaking of sausage. The whole comic of the situation has just reached me (I have not served in the army for 20 years, I am excusable). Talking about the advantages of socialism, you stubbornly broadcast how you bought high-quality sausage (inaccessible to mere mortals) from a capitalist shortage, that is, a farmer (where OBKhSS looked). Really funny?

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                        Already repeatedly to you and not only, he wrote about Stalin and about everything else - well, it doesn’t reach you, so these are your problems - there will be a desire, re-read it again - you only seek to cry - both Stalin and the USSR, but this is not true fundamentally.

                        That is, Kraval I.A. was not shot? Or do you see any positive in this?

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                        Let's start with the SDA - you’ll search for at least Shmaru or Maru Baghdasaryan, and continue to confidently broadcast what is written a little higher — this is your product, liberals and marketers, so eat a full spoon, in the USSR it was practically not ...

                        You said that you did not write about what you did not understand. Such things change very slowly and builds on previous experience. We are all from the USSR.

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                        Well, your pearl about the variability of morality - urgently in granite, as it reveals your essence, you (all) ...

                        Again, remember Pavlik Morozov.
                        Until 17, atheism was immoral, after which religiosity became immoral.
                        Darling, what are you? As Jeremiah Bentham said,

                        ... the highest moral standard is the principle of striving for "maximum benefit for the maximum number of people."

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                        A quote to the studio, otherwise you are a balabol, or Mr. liar, but what about the rest - do you expect me to publish my biography here?

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                        I have just a month ago finished working in the laboratory (so called)
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                        321 (321) 8 February 2020 06: 44
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                        ... I somehow do not care, “I can’t” and “I don’t want”, the fact remains a fact, you cannot dispute.
                        Do you think, reading yours, everyone will immediately become Stalinophiles and Slavophiles? Maybe those who served in the army for 20 years and your “testimonies” are understandable, but not all of them. Be easier and people to you will stretch.

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                        And for what purpose are you interested in?

                        Speaking of sausage. The whole comic of the situation has just reached me (I have not served in the army for 20 years, I am excusable). Talking about the advantages of socialism, you stubbornly broadcast how you bought high-quality sausage (inaccessible to mere mortals) from a capitalist shortage, that is, a farmer (where OBKhSS looked). Really funny? ...

                        And I absolutely do not care what you personally think here or there, whether or not you can, not you to judge about it ...
                        I'm fed up with the stubborn Russophobe to chew at least something, and even try to correct the grammar of this letter, it’s been clear for a long time that it’s useless, that people can’t write correctly, with all the chips of computers, but it’s also cramping to teach there. hi
                        It is not necessary that Stalinophiles, it is necessary that comprehensively, or at least objectively.
                        He talked about sausage solely so that the especially stubborn, perhaps someday, would realize that they ate all kinds of rubbish solely because they themselves did not want to do anything. laughing

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                        Already repeatedly to you and not only, he wrote about Stalin and about everything else - well, it doesn’t reach you, so these are your problems - there will be a desire, re-read it again - you only seek to cry - both Stalin and the USSR, but this is not true fundamentally.

                        That is, Kraval I.A. was not shot? Or do you see any positive in this? ...

                        Bring more names, why trifle something, you want to make out each? And although it’s just not interesting for you and your colleagues to write about something good, you won’t get any bonuses for that.

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                        Let's start with the SDA - you’ll search for at least Shmaru or Maru Baghdasaryan, and continue to confidently broadcast what is written a little higher — this is your product, liberals and marketers, so eat a full spoon, in the USSR it was practically not ...

                        You said you didn’t write that you don’t understand. Such things change very slowly and builds on previous experience. We are all from the USSR ...

                        Tell your tales to someone else - during the USSR, both district committees, and regional committees, and above, were instantly deprived of party cards and freedom for such tricks, but you bring an example about these times, well, how did you put the oligarch’s son, or something like that? "Defenders" of our time - this is about you and your colleagues.

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                        Well, your pearl about the variability of morality - urgently in granite, as it reveals your essence, you (all) ...

                        Again, remember Pavlik Morozov ...
                        Until 17, atheism was immoral, after which religiosity became immoral.
                        Darling, what are you?
                        As Jeremiah Bentham said, the highest moral standard is the principle of striving for “maximum benefit for the maximum number of people "...

                        Religion or faith has long become moral?
                        If you want to be, figuratively speaking, a "weather vane" - this is your choice ...
                        And who would doubt that you are above all write about the benefit, this is your "moral" ...

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                        A quote to the studio, otherwise you are a balabol, or Mr. liar, but what about the rest - do you expect me to publish my biography here?

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                        I have just a month ago finished working in the laboratory (so called)

                        On the one hand, I’m glad that you and your colleagues are so “smart”, but here you understand that if IT were my laboratory (the name is conditional), then I would definitely “ask” - you somehow “forgot” to quote completely person ?? It is interesting that you “think” about the relationship between the boss (owner) and his employees or subordinates ... bully
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        T. Henks (Igor) 2 February 2020 18: 47
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        Something tells me that in the comments begins the substitution of concepts and the transition to personality. Stalin is an accomplished historical figure. Churchill spoke beautifully about his defilers, speaking about Khrushchev, who managed to lose to the deceased.
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          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 3 February 2020 12: 05
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          Stalin is an accomplished historical figure.

          Who argues, like Churchill, Hitler, Khrushchev, etc.
          I don’t know what Churchill said there (he did not talk about the plow and the atomic bomb), but the article cites five supposed myths about Stalin. Anyone who is at least a little interested in the issue will understand that the four myths are not myths at all. The only thing that myth is Stalin’s religiosity, but he’ve never heard anyone “blame” him.
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            321 (321) 5 February 2020 05: 47
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            ... but the article cites five alleged myths about Stalin. Anyone who is even a little interested in the issue will understand that the four myths are not myths at all.. The only thing that myth is Stalin’s religiosity, but he’ve never heard anyone “blame” him.

            Have you tried to write comments on your behalf? Try it, you should succeed, you don’t even need to try to create mass production -

            ... Anyone who is even a little interested in the issue will understand that the four myths are not myths at all.

            - here is an example in your performance, BUT everything you said, no more than personally your subjective opinion, so about ANYTHING and so on - writing is NOT worth it ... hi
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 5 February 2020 22: 53
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            Have you tried to write comments on your behalf? Try it, you should succeed, you don’t even need to try to create mass production

            Let’s say so, you prove with good reason that the “Fight against rootless cosmopolitanism” and “The Case of Doctors” were not anti-Jewish companies, and I admit my mistake and will not write about ANYTHING anymore.
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            321 (321) 6 February 2020 08: 37
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            For you I repeat once again - no need to write about mass phenomena, in other words, “we, any ...”, etc. etc., you are either argali, or mokin, or kronman, or sake - this is NOT any - "their circle is narrow ...", well, then you know, I hope?
            Mass character is NOT characteristic of you, however much you and your colleagues would like it, hi but to refute your statements - why should I?
            We are definitely NOT allies, hence all the rest, you already can’t understand this many times, or don’t want to - it doesn’t matter to me for what reason ...
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 7 February 2020 01: 47
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            "their circle is narrow ...", well, then you know, I hope?

            But Herzen was awakened :)

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            Mass character is NOT typical for you

            It seems to you.

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            but to refute your statements - why should I?

            Well, you’re a fighter for a brighter past, suddenly some fragile mind reads “Fight against rootless cosmopolitanism” and “The Case of Doctors”, begins to become interested, gets into a wiki and becomes infected with the “USSR hatred virus”. And you would sort things out and this mind would not succumb to temptation. Although, most likely, as always, you have nothing to say.



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            We are definitely not allies

            Hmm .. Why are you doing this? What makes you think that I want to be your ally?
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            321 (321) 7 February 2020 07: 13
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            As for the allies - just a statement of fact, and almost a classic -

            God save me from friends, and I can handle the enemies myself.

            - have not yet been canceled, the only addition - such as you, "friends." bully And your everything else - well, it would be wrong to forbid you to dream even with your comrades, so go on and on, and I talk with young people, there is a lot to learn if you can ... hi
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            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 8 February 2020 02: 22
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            Eh, you don’t want to save fragile minds, what kind of tanker you are after (in the sense of a fighter). OK. Let’s, as before, in the comments I quote historical events, and you check the spelling of my comments. Something tired me of our bickering. Not interested. All the best.
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            321 (321) 8 February 2020 06: 55
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            Eh, you don’t want to save fragile minds, what kind of tanker you are after (in the sense of a fighter). OK. Let’s, as before, in the comments I quote historical events, and you check spelling of my comments. Something tired me our bickering. Not interested. All the best.

            Again "past" you - you cite nothing more than your own, often very subjective version of events, and nothing more ...
            PS The dictionary of the Russian language would you buy ... hi
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    Natan bruk (Natan Bruk) 31 January 2020 09: 24
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    Are Bendera residents of Bender or followers of Ostap Bender?
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    Port 31 January 2020 12: 36
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    Are Bendera residents of Bender or followers of Ostap Bender?

    This is Trotsky’s cunning drive.
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