Destruction of the Ukrainian plane: Kiev and Tehran set “two records”

January 16 2020 21

More recently, against the background of the assassination of Iranian General Suleymani and the subsequent retaliatory missile strikes, a tragic incident occurred - the destruction of a passenger plane Boeing 737-800 of the Ukrainian airline UIA, which was followed by a chain of rapidly changing events.

Let's start by restoring their brief chronology.

08.01.2020/737/800, early in the morning, there was a disaster for the passenger Boeing 11.01.2020-14.01.2020 of the Ukrainian airline UIA. Soon thereafter, on January 15.01.2020, XNUMX, Iran recognized that it had unintentionally shot down a passenger airliner. Three days later, on January XNUMX, XNUMX, the head of UIA, Yevgeny Dykhne, accused Iran of Iranian authorities not closing the airspace over the country during military operations. And immediately after that, on January XNUMX, XNUMX, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani apologized for the fact that the republic’s armed forces accidentally shot down a Ukrainian plane.

I look at these events and at these people, and I do not understand the following.

Iran set an absolute record (I apologize for this word in connection with such a tragic event) in terms of speed of guilty pleas for a downed plane. If I'm wrong - correct, but I do not know of another such example. And there are enough of them.

The Italian DC-9, which crashed into the Tyrrhenian Sea in 1980, allegedly shot down by NATO F-4 fighters chasing the Libyan MiG, was not recognized as the alleged culprits. Only after three investigations, in 2013, the decision of the Italian court paid the families of the victims.

Iranian Airbus A300, shot down on July 3, 1988 by an anti-aircraft missile launched by the American cruiser Vincennes. The cruiser air defense took him for the F-14 fighter of the Iranian Air Force. Killed 290 people. President Reagan considered the actions of the captain of the cruiser justified defense. Compensations to the families of the victims and for the plane were agreed only in 1996 with the direct participation of the International Court of Justice. The commander of the American cruiser soon after received the Order of the Legion of Honor for his successful service in 1987-1989.

The Russian Tu-154 flight Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk on October 4, 2001 was shot down by the Ukrainian S-200 air defense system. Only two years later, Ukraine signed intergovernmental agreements with Russia and Israel on compensation for the relatives of those killed in a plane crash, without legal admission of guilt. When Siberia Airlines turned to Ukraine with a lawsuit of $ 15 million for the dead plane, the Ukrainian side conducted an additional (unrecognized) investigation and concluded that it had not shot down the plane, and, accordingly, had not paid the money.

The Boeing 777, which was flying MH17 on July 17, 2014, crashed over the Donbass, where it had been fighting for 2 months. The airspace above the war zone was not closed, and the Ukrainian government still does not even think that it is responsible for what happened. For a minute, five and a half years have passed ...

Against this background, Iranian President Rouhani apologizes for the delay in Iran's recognition of its guilt. For a three days. I have great respect for this decision.

But ... does it seem to me alone that this is too much?

Evgeny Dykhne, President of UIA, states:

If you want to know my opinion, the one who did not close the space over the country is to blame. I don’t really care if a person pressed a button or if the system activated itself.

According to him, in a situation of escalation of tension between Tehran and Washington, the Iranian authorities had to take care of the security not only of the Ukrainian side, but also of their entire airspace.

Or close it if they are not ready to bear responsibility for security, as provided for by international requirements. And they violated their international agreements. Did not fulfill the main function - did not provide security

- added the president of UIA.

That is, the fact that Ukraine did not close airspace after 2 months of hostilities, drove a passenger plane into the sky over the Donbass is an everyday matter, but Iran’s actions after several missile attacks are a terrible and unforgivable crime.

This is also a kind of record. A record of inadequacy and hypocrisy.

And both records are worthy of the Guinness Book.

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Arkharov

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16 January 2020 15: 00

The airspace above the war zone was not closed, and the Ukrainian government still does not even think that it is responsible for what happened. For a minute, five and a half years have passed ...

- But what, Iran has closed airspace?
At the same time as the Ukrainian Boeing, plus or minus 15 minutes, a number of airlines flew out flights - Lufthansa, Qatar Airways, six to eight flights simultaneously. Iran could, without explanation, simply close its airspace due to suspicions that something could prevent civil aviation from flying safely. This was their commitment, which they took upon themselves by signing international agreements, otherwise no one would fly there. They were obliged to foresee all the risks. Moreover, they should know them best of all. The Iranian authorities had to take care of the safety not only of the Ukrainian aircraft, but also of its entire airspace, or close it if they were not ready to take responsibility for security, as provided for by international requirements. And they violated their international agreements. Did not fulfill the main function - did not provide security. It is a crime.
1. boriz
  
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  16 January 2020 15: 11
  
  You are confused. This is a representative of a Ukrainian company making a complaint to Iran. At the same time, there are no complaints in return. That is the point. After all, Iran pleaded guilty, what claims are now against them?
  1. Arkharov
    
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    16 January 2020 15: 37
    
    boriz (boriz)
    And what about the claims of just and only the Ukrainian side? Iran did not take care of the safety of not only the Ukrainian side, but also its entire airspace, it should be closed if it was not ready to bear responsibility for security, as provided for by international requirements. Do not confuse one with the other, these are two separate processes.
    1. boriz
      
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      16 January 2020 15: 42
      
      The remaining claims are not presented. At least I have not heard.
      But passenger airplanes also flew over Donbass for 2 months. And there, active combat operations were carried out with the use of missiles (up to Tochka-U) and aviation, until its militias with the help of MANPADS landed.
      1. Arkharov
        
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        16 January 2020 18: 02
        
        boriz (boriz)
        This is not about "the rest", but about international authorities. You will never understand that this is a gross violation of international law. Wait some more ...
Natan bruk

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16 January 2020 22: 01

Generally speaking, the author distorts, perhaps because of ignorance, but rather intentionally. Firstly, as for the “speed of recognition” - in the case of Iranian Airbus, the Americans recognized the next day. And the circumstances there were different - Airbus deviated from the highway, flew in the direction of the American ship, did not respond to requests (the pilots decided that they were not contacting them), it was far enough from the departure airport, and a few days before that there was a surprise attack to a similar American ship in about the same area. And of course, all the due compensation was paid. As for Ukraine, you will be surprised, but the space was still closed to a height of 7000. I agree, it was worth closing completely, but who could know that their vacation traders did not have any MANPADS, but an entire BUK. Although before that, in about the same area, 2 Ukrainian transport workers were shot down and it was nevertheless worth closing completely. And what does it mean “drove into the sky under the Donbass”? The plane went along a busy international highway, the pilot made a request to take it north, the dispatcher allowed, formally had the right, since the flight was at an altitude of about 10000 .. Well, at least they did not talk about the “Carlos dispatcher”, that the recordings of conversations were supposedly not provided ICAO that the dispatcher liquidated and other nonsense. In the case of Iran, there was clear and 100% evidence, and it was pointless to continue to unlock it. Although what kind of mess they have going on with air defense - the mind is incomprehensible. Confuse the mark of a 40-meter Boeing at an altitude of more than 2000 with a 6-meter missile going to strike at an altitude of about 30 meters ...
1. Natan bruk
  
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  16 January 2020 22: 20
  
  Yes, about compensations under TU-154 - Ukraine paid them, despite the fact that there was no official full recognition. By the way, those exercises were joint with Russia and were conducted at a training ground belonging to Russia.
  1. boriz
    
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    16 January 2020 22: 48
    
    Read carefully. Everything is written. And what they paid, and when they agreed to pay, and then they agreed ... Americans, for example, after the trial, in 1996
    And about 7000 m - after Tu 154 it’s just ridiculous. You still remember that the Russian Federation also blocked its airspace. And not by 7 meters, almost by 000. I did it right. About the presence of Bukov from our side, we knew. What else was left to do? And if the S-11 is driven?
    And 3 days is not a lot. Remember how 7 intelligence immediately and amicably reported that this was a technical malfunction. It is necessary to carry out certain investigative actions, this is a huge responsibility. Others have a clear reaction: you yourself haven’t washed your face for 3 days ...
    And what does joint teachings have to do with it? The calculation is Ukrainian, Kuzmuk commanded personally. He drove a herd of journalists, who recorded in good faith how he was reported about a dubious goal, and he, a tough macho: "Bring him down ...".
    And about MN-17 there was an interesting, gas version. Explaining why the last time the leaders have fussed and are trying to understand objectively. But this must be written separately.
    1. Natan bruk
      
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      16 January 2020 23: 30
      
      Well, at least about the MH-117 do not tell. There is evidence of guilt of the "vacationers" wagon and a small cart. Not far off the Hague, there the whole report of the commission from ICAO will be announced. The exercises are joint, despite the fact that both the command was joint and the training ground belonging to Russia. As for the pay - re-read your opus - it says that Ukraine did NOT pay. But she still paid, albeit not immediately. And what about your statements about the “speed of recognition”? The Americans recognized their blow almost immediately. Well, about the circumstances, which in their case were completely different and about which I wrote. And what nonsense are you talking about the "herd of journalists", the "dubious goal" and the personal order of Kuzmuk in front of the journalists? Where did you get this blizzard? If you have already undertaken to write on a topic, take an interest in at least normal sources, and not yellow sheets. And what kind of overlap of the airspace of the Russian Federation are you talking about? And what kind of beech are you talking about? I'm talking about the one that was imported by your Russian ichthamnes, but what are you talking about?
      1. boriz
        
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        16 January 2020 23: 44
        
        Read about the Tu-154 carefully.
        
        Natan bruk
        
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        16 January 2020 23: 54
        
        What exactly is "read carefully"?
        
        boriz
        
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        16 January 2020 23: 58
        
        What is written, damn it ..
        They did not pay for the plane, and the agreement on compensation to relatives was signed after 2 years ...
        
        Natan bruk
        
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        17 January 2020 00: 36
        
        So you wrote in your opus that Ukraine did NOT pay. Or have you already forgotten what you wrote about?
        
        Arkharov
        
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        17 January 2020 14: 00
        
        boriz (boriz)
        You wrote, for the most part, a complete untrustworthy garbage.
      2. Natan bruk
        
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        16 January 2020 23: 53
        
        And what are you talking about “7 Intelligence”? Subtracted in the yellow sheets, which, apparently, are your sources of information? And do not praise Iran for the speed of recognition - it simply had no other choice. As soon as pictures of the riddled parts of the Boeing appeared, they realized that there was no point in denying it. The evidence for the strike is clear. Lock will come out much more expensive. In the case of the MN-117, one could try to blame first on a Ukrainian fighter, then, when it didn’t pass, on Ukrainian BUKs, because there was no question why it had fallen. Moreover, the recognition of the blow by mistake as "vacationers" means that Russia intervened in what is happening in the Donbass, and in this way. Therefore, admission of guilt of "vacationers" was excluded a priori.
2. Arkharov
  
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  17 January 2020 13: 58
  
  Natan bruk
  A rare qualified commentary here.
3. Pavel vancouver
  
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  18 January 2020 09: 19
  
  For Natan bruk
  Why did the separatists fire on a Malaysian airliner?
  
  A useful idiot, the Ukrainian retired general Igor Romanenko, on the pages of Novaya Gazeta on July 10 and 14, 2015, spilled a big secret. In his words, on the eve of the incident on the Ukrainian side they caught a spy, who had previously informed the rebels about flight plans for Ukrainian military aircraft. The SBU forced this spy to give the rebels false information about the upcoming flight of the Ukrainian military transport aircraft. Its flight plan coincided with the flight plan of the Malaysian Boeing, which was struck by the valiant Donetsk anti-aircraft gunners. For about the first half hour, these anti-aircraft gunners and their curators were sure that they had shot down a Ukrainian military plane. But then the big nix began.
  
  My guess: The flight plan reported by the captured spy did not coincide with the flight plan МН-17 not by chance, but in accordance with the cynical plan of the SBU and the CIA. This is indirectly indicated by the absence among the passengers of a doomed airliner of US and Ukrainian citizens. This is also indicated by the fact that The Ukrainian side, aware of the deadly threat to airliners, did not completely close the airspace over the Donbass. At the same time, she at the last moment canceled the really preparing flight of her military aircraft, which the spy reported to the rebels. That is, on the Ukrainian side they knew about the danger, they kept their plane, but they did not take measures to prevent the tragedy from happening. This can be qualified as complicity in a deliberate mass murder.
  1. Arkharov
    
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    18 January 2020 09: 34
    
    Pavel vancouver
    New fierce, leading away, conspiracy thesis. But already somehow progress.
  2. Natan bruk
    
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    18 January 2020 14: 52
    
    Another conspiracy blizzard. For information - the plane deviated from the route a little to the north on request of a pilot. Formally, the dispatcher had no reason to refuse, the flight took place at an altitude of about 10000. In many respects, therefore, the “valiant anti-aircraft gunners" -hammers and took him for a transporter. Ukrainian intelligence services and the pilot dragged into his plot?
Gadley

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18 January 2020 11: 17

Evgeny Dykhne, President of UIA, states:

If you want to know my opinion, the one who did not close the space over the country is to blame. I don’t really care if a person pressed a button or if the system activated itself.

Why then, with flight MH17, which crashed over the Donbass on July 17, 2014, Russia is to blame.
You can not be half pregnant.
1. Natan bruk
  
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  18 January 2020 15: 04
  
  Because Russia intervened in the conflict in this way - through the posted ichtamnets. It was assumed that the "militias" have nothing more serious than MANPADS. That is why the airspace below 7000 was closed. Who knew that Russia would provide both the BUK and the cross-eyed "ichtamnets" from its generosity. But what is symptomatic, the very participation of their partners is no longer particularly denied.