"There will be no plum": Surkov at a closed meeting revealed the future of Donbass


The Special Representative of the Russian Federation for Ukraine Vladislav Surkov denied the rumors that Russia was “merging” the Donbass, which intensified against the background of the implementation of the Minsk agreements.


At a closed meeting in Moscow with militias and veterans of Donbass, the presidential aide assured those present that there would be no "drain" of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics.

A message about this appeared on the Telegram channel of War Gonzo, war correspondent Semyon Pegov. Referring to the words of the participants in the meeting, the military commander wrote:

All those present were once again told that no one is going to "merge Donbass", and in the event of an aggravation of the situation, the potential of Russia's voluntary movement is ready to be used as soon as possible in the volumes necessary for the front.


Recall that the meeting was organized by the first Prime Minister of the DPR and the head of the “Union of Donbass Volunteers” Alexander Borodai, who in an interview with the publication ANNA-news stated that there will be no reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine:

The establishment of a yellow-blakitny Ukrainian flag in the Donbass, no matter what is said in any diplomatic receptions, meeting rooms, corridors, corridors, is impossible.


According to the head of the SDD, despite the breeding of the parties taking place on the contact line, the conflict in the Donbass may resume.
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  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 15: 58
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    ... in the event of an aggravation of the situation, the potential of Russia's voluntary movement is ready to be activated as soon as possible in the volumes necessary for the front.

    - this is a very interesting phrase. It seems that some volunteer brigades have already been assembled somewhere, counted, organized, equipped and armed, and if something happens, they will be deployed to critical points, and in "the shortest possible time and in the required volumes" ... It sounds strange, in a relationship volunteer component. I’m silent that participation in conflicts on the territory of other states and foreign armed groups is officially prohibited by the Criminal Code ... Or has something changed? Have you made an official exception? Or how do you even understand all this? ...
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 16 December 2019 16: 37
      +7
      - this is a very interesting phrase. It seems that some volunteer brigades have already been assembled, counted, organized, equipped and armed somewhere, and if something happens, they will be deployed to critical points, and in the "shortest possible time and in the required volumes" ... It sounds strange, in relation to the volunteer component.

      Yes, it’s not so strange, I think they unofficially help in the organization, but at the official level it looks like this:



      I’m silent that participation in conflicts on the territory of other states and foreign armed groups is officially prohibited by the Criminal Code ... Or has something changed? Have you made an official exception? Or how do you even understand all this? ...

      There are no official exceptions. But you can understand it something like this ... To live with wolves - howl like a wolf. There are also enough volunteers on the other side, and I don’t remember that they were rotted in batches in the prison. Or Yarosh in prison for taking part in the Chechen war? There are, of course, individual exceptions, as in Italy Markiv, but he was convicted of the murder of a journalist, an Italian citizen, and not just for participation. So in this situation, no one seeks to be "holier than the Pope." Or do you think that Donbass should be left without support?
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 16: 58
        +5
        No way. But I just think that it is necessary to say: if you climb into Donbass, we will send troops to enforce peace, on the basis of violation of the Minsk Agreements and as a guarantor of their observance. That's all. This will be taken much more seriously - no one there will definitely want to fight with the regular army of the Russian Federation. And not to carry all sorts of nonsense, which even officially contradicts the laws of the Russian Federation.
        No need to be likened to the same Ukrainians and carry the blizzard in public, and even at such a high level. I am not against volunteers and help to Donbass, I am against nonsense on behalf of officials.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 16 December 2019 20: 01
          +4
          But I just think that it is necessary to say: if you climb into Donbass, we will send troops to enforce peace, on the basis of violation of the Minsk Agreements and as a guarantor of their observance.

          They have already said, do you think - did not hear?



          This will be taken much more seriously - no one will want to fight with the regular army of the Russian Federation for sure.

          They have been trying to drag us into the war for 5 years, why should they help in this? Moreover, the problem cannot be solved by conducting an operation similar to Georgia. Suppose they introduced, steel on the border of Donbass .... the situation will only get worse. Bubuins with pots on their heads will not go anywhere, you will no longer need to compose fairy tales about the Russian army, sabotage, provocations will begin, and at this time, "the entire world community" will recognize Russia as an aggressor, toughening sanctions, etc. And the volunteers ... they rashly and can reach Kiev repeat
          In addition, I don’t remember that the Minsk Agreements would provide for the introduction of troops, let us be like a "pack of comrades" in Syria, they sent troops into foreign territory ..... they also composed beautiful justifications for their input.

          And do not carry different nonsense, which even officially contradicts the laws of the Russian Federation.

          With all due respect, hi this is hardly a statement by an official.

          A message about this appeared on the Telegram channel of War Gonzo, war correspondent Semyon Pegov. Referring to the words of the participants in the meeting, the military commander wrote:

          Telegram channel ...., correspondent ...., with reference to the participant .....

          No need to be likened to the same Ukrainians and carry the blizzard in public, and even at such a high level. I am not against volunteers and help to Donbass, I am against nonsense on behalf of officials.

          Understand correctly, I am not defending "officials", but setting out a point of view on events.
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 20: 06
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            ... at this time, "the entire world community" will recognize Russia as an aggressor, tightening sanctions, etc. And the volunteers ... they rashly and can reach Kiev

            - Well, let's really: the aggressor, etc. They will call the Russian Federation, is it not enough for you to understand Crimea, Skripals, Syria, doping, etc.? And volunteers without aircraft will not reach Kiev.
            As for everything else, I have always said that if we are to fight, then fight. If we enter, we must go to Kiev, and further. They did not go to Tbilisi in due time, now we are "eating" suspicious laboratories, militant bases on the border, espionage, etc.
            All these "states" either back to the New USSR must be reunited, or simply leave a friendly government there, with military bases of the RF Armed Forces, for support, and then leave ... just like the Americans do ...
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 16 December 2019 20: 22
              +3
              - Well, let's really: the aggressor, etc. They will call the Russian Federation, is it not enough for you to understand Crimea, Skripals, Syria, doping, etc.?

              One thing, when called, is a slightly different story, when this accusation has real grounds. All this will go into history textbooks, this is a real Russian-Ukrainian war, consequences on generations.

              And volunteers without aircraft will not reach Kiev.

              I doubt the desire of the Ukrainian army to provide fierce resistance, and all kinds of good there are just punitive, besides there are not so many of them.

              As for everything else, I have always said that if we are to fight, then fight. If we enter, we must go to Kiev, and further. They did not go to Tbilisi in due time, now we are "eating" suspicious laboratories, militant bases on the border, espionage, etc.

              Next - is it up to the English Channel? We get to Poland, what will change? Laboratories and bases will disappear? The fashion for cavalry attacks with a dagger has passed, now several other methods are in use.
              1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 20: 34
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                When we get to Poland, we'll stop there. What will change - see the comment above.
                As for the "real grounds" - do not make me laugh and yourself, for the sanctions, the Magnitsky list, the removal of ALL athletes, including the disabled, from the Olympics and much more, there were no "real grounds", did it change something? No. There are both sanctions and charges.
                And about history textbooks, this is not a topic for discussion at all - they are regularly rewritten as such. In my memory, even at least 3 times, and in all three 50% at least not true ... That's how it somehow ...
                And these same "good soldiers" should not be underestimated especially - they know how to fight, and most importantly, they want. Which is very important. And in the Russian Federation there will hardly be more REAL volunteers than there will be people in these national battalions, and their age will be different for the most part - people will go there much older. And the ukronatsik are mostly young people, in battle this is a really big difference. I'm not that I'm still in a very bad shape, but at 20-25 I was definitely better and capable of more ...
                Not everything is so simple, no volunteers will reach Kiev on their own. In 2015-16, maybe they could, but now it’s unlikely ... You have to be realistic and not underestimate the enemy.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 16 December 2019 20: 58
                  +3
                  When we get to Poland, we'll stop there. What will change - see the comment above.
                  As for the "real grounds" - do not make me laugh and yourself, for the sanctions, the Magnitsky list, the removal of ALL athletes, including the disabled, from the Olympics and much more, there were no "real grounds", did it change something? No. And there are sanctions and charges.

                  Here we just have a different point of view. hi

                  And about history textbooks, this is not a topic for discussion at all - they are regularly rewritten as such. In my memory, even at least 3 times, and in all three at 50%, at least not true ... That's how it somehow ...

                  Winners always write history, Russia is traditionally a country with an unpredictable past. laughing Here I somehow tried the four-volume volume of the History of Russia from Spitsin to read, it seemed like an impartial, without definite conclusions, just with a statement of facts. Threw .... laughing

                  And these same "good soldiers" should not be underestimated especially - they know how to fight, and most importantly, they want. Which is very important.

                  Not sure if wanting and being able are a bit different things. They want to fight, until there is a real chance to snatch off in full. Something I do not recall episodes that clearly demonstrate their dedication and stamina in battle. Not that public.

                  And in the Russian Federation there will hardly be REAL volunteers more than the people in these national battalions, and their age will be different for the most part - people will go there much older. But ukronatsikov mostly young people, in battle this is really a big difference. I’m not that in a very bad shape yet, but at 20-25 I was definitely better and capable of more ...

                  An inner voice tells me that the training of volunteers is not left to chance. And it is far from the fact that there will be only "pensioners".

                  One must be realistic and not underestimate the enemy.

                  I don’t think that I am inclined to throw all over with winter hats. laughing I hope which of us is right, we won’t know, and everything will be resolved without war.
                  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 21: 53
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                    ...hope dies last. With most things, in principle, I agree. But what is happening with Ukraine now, as history shows, cannot be solved by force. Unfortunately. That is, either with all this crap under your nose you have to put up and cohabit, or ...
                    About volunteers I do not say "retirees", but people even at 35-40 years old are overwhelmingly in worse condition than 19-20 years old. Motivation in battle is a very big thing, and THEM's training is also not allowed at all ...
    2. Nymp Offline Nymp
      Nymp (Boris) 16 December 2019 16: 53
      +1
      Back in 2014, the Russian parliament gave Putin the go-ahead to send troops into the territory of Donbass. He did not take advantage of this.
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 17: 00
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        Sorry. But now it’s too late to talk about this, as well as about the recognition of the Ukrainian authorities after the coup. We must proceed from reality.
    3. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
      S.V.YU 16 December 2019 19: 21
      +1
      Understand how you want! But every rule has an exception! And the law, that drawbar - where it turned, turned out there! An example is the civil war in Spain! Germany, Italy, the USSR, the US .... took part in it, sending soldiers there as tourists and athletes! And weapons, like agricultural machinery and industrial equipment!
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 16 December 2019 19: 39
        -1
        Let's not confuse the USSR in the 30s and the Russian Federation today. Different laws and different states. And then they went to Spain on a business trip, to the war, for the "international community" the stories were about tourists. Or did tourists go there from the USSR with their tanks and planes?
        Now all this is strictly the opposite - these people are leaving the Russian Federation as volunteers, tourists, whatever you want, but at the same time they violate the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and the authorities are not doing anything about it ... Well, or they would have canceled the article, or people they were enlisted in the army, or something else was done in the format of legislation ... And then some kind of nonsense: people are at war, then some officially admit it, they appear on TV, and at any time they can be brought in under a heavy criminal article. And the representative of the authorities also says something about the transfer of some volunteers somewhere - an officially illegal action ...
        In the meantime, as you say, "the law is like a drawbar" for the representatives of the authorities themselves, how can you want others to comply with it?
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    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 16 December 2019 20: 05
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      Thank you comrade. And this is information for you, the number of cameras per capita ...

  3. bear040 Offline bear040
    bear040 16 December 2019 19: 15
    +6
    It’s not volunteers, but it’s time to send an army so that they know around the world - Killing Russian citizens is extremely harmful to health.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 16 December 2019 20: 16
      +1
      Finally, let us build Nord Stream 2.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 December 2019 21: 40
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    We do not have a law for protecting volunteers! There is no faith in such words, especially Surkov!
  5. Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 17 December 2019 04: 44
    -4
    At a private meeting held in Moscow with militias and veterans of Donbass, the presidential aide assured those present that there would be no "drain" of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics

    Of course it won't. Discharge ALREADY HAPPENED.
    Finally - September 2014 yearswhen it became clear that in Donbass Infallible is not helping "his own people", but playing cat and mouse with the West.
    And that the Donbass-the cover of the Crimea, and the latter-the cover of the Russian Federation itself from the West and NATO.

    It is a pity for the people of Donbass, who "got fucked up" (some - alas, смертельно), believing the Universal Strategist of the Higher Guild.
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 December 2019 14: 05
    +2
    What did you think? Capitalism, s.
    What is beneficial is what they do. The buffer zone is beneficial - it will be. It is advantageous to test troops without insignia - and they will. It is profitable to pump money into banks in Ukraine - they will. They will also trade. To shed blood common people - shed. This is a good cover for hundreds and hundreds of% of profits in the Russian Federation and Ukraine for the elite ...

    And no need to worry. Not a single capitalist or son of a deputy / oligarch in New Russia has suffered ..