Putin in Paris quietly capitulated to Ukraine?

December 11 2019 46

The Norman Four summit in Paris left behind an unpleasant “aftertaste”. Despite the attempts to present its results as a victory for Russia, it all looks more like its defeat.

Recall that some five years ago, after the Maidan, in fact there was no army in Ukraine. APU suffered a number of severe defeats in the Donbass, the road to Kiev was open. DNI and LNR requested the composition of the Russian Federation after Crimea. Gazprom's top managers haughtily declared the inevitability of a complete cessation of transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Here are the words of one of the top leaders of the "national treasure" of Alexander Medvedev from 2015:

After the end of the transit contract with Ukraine, there will be no extension or conclusion of a new one under any circumstances.

But, instead of “come and own,” our leadership chose policies "Appeasement." Donbass was denied "returning to its home harbor". Staff propagandists and their voluntary assistants scared the Third World Nuclear War over Ukraine, justifying non-intervention.

What do we have after five years?

An army appeared in Ukraine, large, armed with heavy techniqueHer fighters are trained by American and NATO instructors. Despite the mass of internal problems, the Armed Forces of Ukraine now represent a significant military force, concentrated near the DPR and LPR and not far from the Russian borders. Kiev passed a law allowing foreign troops to enter the country. A NATO base is being built in Ochakovo. Ukraine, even if it is not admitted to the North Atlantic Alliance, may become its partner in one form or another.

It was not possible to get away from Ukrainian transit. The South Stream was completely canceled due to inaction on the part of Bulgaria. The Turkish Stream halved, and Bulgaria again delayed the construction of its part of the pipeline. After the adoption of amendments to the Third Energy Package, Nord Stream-2 was empty on one pipe out of two. Under pressure from Germany, Gazprom agreed on the need to preserve Ukrainian transit. After meeting with President Putin in Paris, Vladimir Zelensky said that the contract would be concluded “somewhere in the middle,” that is, not for 1 year, but not for 10 years:

I insisted on the most ambitious conditions favorable to Ukraine and Europe - this is for 10 years [contract validity]. I think we will find a [solution] in the middle.

It seems our forecast that a new transit agreement will be signed for 3-5 years, while the United States is preparing an expansion into the European gas market. Despite claims that Gazprom will not pay fines to Naftogaz, in the end it has already paid more than $ 2 billion. Judging by the results of the summit, the rest of the debt will be allowed to pay Ukraine with gas to our “national heritage”.

Most worrying is the fate of the rebellious Donbass. Recall that the Kremlin continues to consider it a part of Ukraine; it did not recognize the results of the referenda. According to the Minsk agreements, the DPR and LPR must receive a certain “special status” and return to the Square, and the border is transferred under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Ukrainian border guards. But President Zelensky bluntly stated that he would not allow changes to his Constitution and the federalization of the country under external pressure. The Ukrainian leader also confirms the Kremlin’s readiness to give control of the border:

Kiev insists on the transfer of control over the border with the Russian Federation before the elections in the Donbass, and Russia after.

So far, the Russian leadership is walking along the razor's edge, but there are very bad signs. Gazprom’s top managers flew to Paris with Putin. It seems that Brussels and Kiev directly linked the issue of gas transit with the "final solution of the Donbass issue." If this is true, then the chances of the DNR and LNR returning to the Independent Square sharply increase. Without Ukrainian transit, Gazprom will end up with new multi-billion-dollar fines, and the budget will remain without the lion's share of foreign exchange earnings, which means serious economic problems and domestic political risks for the Kremlin.

The saddest thing in this situation is that the surrender of the Donbass will not solve anything, since the Crimean issue will be next on the agenda. If you carefully listen to what the leaders of Germany and France say, they mean "the restoration of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine." In other words, having given the Armed Forces border to the DPR and LPR, you will have to be consistent, and then return the peninsula. It is even sadder that this alignment was created by the Kremlin itself, which in 2014 decided to “appease” Ukraine.

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Mihail55

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11 December 2019 11: 46

Everything is very logical. We both sat on an oil-gas needle, and we are sitting! Where is this PRIOR IMPORT SUBSTITUTION ???? Aw !!! So on clothes, stretch the legs. We are alone in the world of WOLVES, and who is at the helm ???? KRYMNASH did not last long ... it's time to say goodbye to illusions.
1. Victor N
  
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  11 December 2019 18: 08
  
  So why are you sitting on a needle? Some were more comfortable on a chest of gold sighing. Offer something of your own, even a scrap of wool. But in the world of wolves there are no helmsmen, only leaders - try to growl!
2. Dreamboat
  
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  12 December 2019 22: 58
  
  Everything is normal with the Crimea, and with import substitution. I've been resting in the Crimea and helping to build a new plant, not the first one in recent years. But loafers and whiners can only push buttons: Everything is lost!
3. Conn
  
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  13 December 2019 03: 23
  
  It's not about the "needle", it's about Putin, who has been dancing to the tune of Western "partners" and has been polishing our ears with his verbal diarrhea of promises for 20 years, while skillfully "forgets" and does not fulfill them, moreover, he repeats these promises every five years !!
steelmaker

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11 December 2019 12: 23

The author correctly described the course of events and correctly concluded. In order for there to be some other conclusion, do you need to describe and present the course of events in a different way? That is, plan B of the Kremlin! Therefore, before criticizing the author, I would like to know at least drafts of this plan. Well, at least until 2024. Now I especially want to speak in Paris. If the prisoners are exchanged before the New Year, then Putin has not in vain met Zelensky. For the people rejoice! There will be no amnesty, but can the shelling be stopped? It remains to wait a bit and gas too. The new year will be hot for discussion, I do not count on good news.
1. Dreamboat
  
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  12 December 2019 23: 06
  
  Anyone who is here broadcasting "crush and smear", I suggest to go to Donbass. Promote your slogans with a gun.
  Why should Russia arrange the seizure of neighboring Ukraine? Why ruin so many of their soldiers? Donbass needs to think about organizing its defense and finding ways to peace. Instead, politicians sat down to share the gum. help and power.
  Pseudo-patriots accuse Russia that we have extended the transit of gas through Ukraine (at the request of customers, who needs this gas!), And that Donbass is trading in coal with Ukraine, does not bother anyone ?!
  Enough to collect a hangover at someone else's feast, first of all, you need to think about your interests!
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3. Conn
  
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  13 December 2019 03: 25
  
  You are naive like a six year old girl!
S.V.YU

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11 December 2019 12: 28

Untalented, cowardly and prone to state treason top management! This is where the problem is! It remains to "pray to God" for Comrade Stalin to "return"!
Sapsan136

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11 December 2019 12: 31

As for the supposedly well-armed and large Ukrainian army, it made fun ... Ukraine is forced to arm its divisions with MT-LB artillery semi-armored vehicles of Kharkov production, from Soviet times, with an open machine-gun mount, in the Ukrainian version ... since BMP is sorely lacking after the fighting in the Donbas ... tanks ?! We bought a number of killed T-72s, in the export version, in eastern Europe ... How many of them were returned to service? Presumably 1 out of 3 ... but the export T-72M and T-72M1 is not something that can scare the Russian Federation ... Everything is bad with aviation and air defense, all this is from the Soviet era, with missiles with expired shelf life ... In terms of artillery Ukrainians are forced to get from the storerooms the previously decommissioned D-30s, self-propelled guns based on them, and even samples of the 50s ... As for Donbass, I agree that it had to be returned to the Russian Federation after Crimea ...
kriten

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11 December 2019 12: 34

The course laid by Putin's Minsk agreements on the betrayal of the Donetsk republics has not changed. A fascist state and the most sad, mainly with our money, under the demagogy of fraternal people, is growing on the ground, covered with the blood of our fathers and grandfathers. The Kremlin is quietly helping prepare for a war with Russia instead of strangling the fascist hydra in the bud.
Bulanov

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11 December 2019 13: 23

The best way for Russia to break the game for the West is to recognize LDNR as the heir to the Ukrainian SSR, which in turn must accept the common flag of the Ukrainian Federation in the form of the flag of the Ukrainian SSR. And there, beyond the accession of other regions, when adopting a new USSR in the EurAsEC and CSTO, it will not rust.
1. A.Lex
  
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  11 December 2019 21: 01
  
  .......... well, at least someone did not write a thorough commentary .......
2. Arkharov
  
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  12 December 2019 08: 07
  
  And who is competent to recognize as the rightful heir so that this has at least some legal consequence? Sportloto?
  1. A.Lex
    
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    12 December 2019 11: 03
    
    Grisha, are you tired of writing nonsense every time?
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Krasstar

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11 December 2019 14: 22

The New Year is coming soon, and we will see what kind of a bunch of effective managers the Kremlin is planting and around ... which are the President’s words about love for Russia and its people.
korriphila

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11 December 2019 15: 31

Provocateur, damn it. SchA, we rush to the Carpathians, to liberate Lviv. Millions of ukrov sit and listen to Bandera, and do not buzz. Nah, Ukraine must die and pieces of meat should fall off from it, then ...
Mrozov Yuri

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11 December 2019 15: 32

Yes, everything is correctly said by previous commentators. I myself have repeatedly noted that the louder the fanfare of our official media, the more modest real achievements.
colyanpirogov

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11 December 2019 16: 06

Blah, blah, blah ... It's ridiculous to read the opinion of "whiners" in our country and the same "experts" in Ukraine :) Where everyone hates their leaders ... and shouts - "the truncated is gone !!!" I personally do not see any progress at all on the Minsk agreements, in fact, as well as on gas! We talked ... and each stayed with his own opinion, raising his rating by "verbiage to the public." How the events will unfold ..., what are the plans ..., neither the author, nor any of the "experts" knows! And before and after the holidays, hardly anything will change !!! In any case, the optimal solution will be chosen so that both the budget and people are not affected. Liberals and hardliners alike will be disappointed!
Oyo Sarkazmi

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11 December 2019 16: 52

Article - A rzhachka, a rzhachka and a rzhachka over a mriya of an abandoned state! Merkel Putin called the only winner at the summit. He didn’t surrender anything, promised nothing, he won’t do anything for the benefit of the Ukrainian people. Let the 3rd secretary of the US Embassy over the income from Bidenland Nuland and Biden think.
There will be no transit; Zelensky was indicated the place; specifically, there were no positive results for him.
Sergey Balaka

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11 December 2019 16: 53

Very interesting. Especially delivered the thesis questioning -

What do we have after five years?

- Well, in general, we never get angry ... It would seem, but what do YOU have the right to have there? A foreign land, a foreign country, what is your dog’s ... Let the conditional Vanka pounce, splinter, let the factories, the more so the defense, get over one another, even if everything is ashes — but we will put things in order in other countries! Own special order ...
Valentine

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11 December 2019 16: 55

You, the author, are somewhat cunning about the "surrender" of Russia according to the MS. This is not a capitulation, but a procrastination of time, which is playing to some extent on us, namely, the economic and political component of Ukraine is already on the brink, and Europe, when drafting them and their mentality, did not understand the Minsk agreements as they should, and the most important, dominant and very last point of this "opus" is the problem with the border, which can be returned to Ukraine only after the federalization of the LPNR, and not vice versa, but this FEDERALIZATION, neither now nor later, will not be given by Ukrainian nationalists who play the main role in all spheres of life in Ukraine, from the demolition of Soviet monuments to the waging of a civil war in the Donbass, and improvement of life in Ukraine is not expected for another 15-20 years, and this is still modest, according to the conclusions of European experts ... And Putin just had to be present at this summit, i.e. to certify their adherence to them, although literally everyone knows that they are not feasible ahead of time by Ukraine in this interpretation, and the LDNR remains with its own and Russian interests, and then, for a while, only the "Transnistrian option" is possible for several years, and Russian citizenship have already received more than 175 thousand residents of the LDNR, and the opening of new sections of the Federal Migration Service in the Rostov region only accelerates this process, and the issuance of Russian passports to Donetsk residents - and this is not without reason ..... Nothing, they endured more, and God forbid, soon will end.
1. A.Lex
  
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  11 December 2019 21: 05
  
  I completely agree. And then someone is crying somewhere in one direction, that everything is lost, then in the other ...
  And the truth? And the truth is always somewhere in between ...
jar.serge

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11 December 2019 18: 20

The author himself came up with it, he was scared himself and made a hell of a conclusion ... Article "on get off." However, the summit went like this - neither here nor there, and it could not have been otherwise.
Vitaly Borchik

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11 December 2019 21: 00

No matter how much you hide your head in the "sand" of illusions (hope for the collapse of Sumeria), as long as the Sumerians have such influential curators as Gayropa, a miracle will not happen, and most likely, the author's forecast is very realistic. So, dear capital city planners, start designing the 1st ring of fortified areas in front of the 3rd ring of the Moscow Ring Road. First the LDNR, then the Sunny land, which looks like paradise, well, and then ..... Eagle, Tula, etc., etc. SAD!

Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat - behind Moscow!

political instructor Klochkov, 16.11.1941
A.Lex

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11 December 2019 21: 06

The only thing that can be said about the article - let's not rush to conclusions?
Martial Artist

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11 December 2019 21: 48

Putin does everything right ....
Soon EVERYTHING will be cured of nationalism in Ukraine .... time is playing for Russia ...
The development of Ukraine without Russia is IMPOSSIBLE - it is ALL clear to Ukraine ...
Zelensky perfectly understands this and will move according to Putin’s program, but the ukronationalists are still strong and do not allow him to move faster ...
Zelensky will implement the Minsk Agreements, so he took a 4-month term ... a start has been made and he has been confirmed that he will implement the Minsk Agreements.
We are waiting and looking.
unholyknight

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12 December 2019 01: 31

Uhhh, what a gorgeous bullshit. Right select omnipotence, yeah. This deliciousness is impossible to miss, because even run through the theses.

Firstly, about the road to Kiev. Well, yes, it’s open ... of the Russian Army. Because only she could use it. Who, damn it could go to Kiev? Militia? Yes, with the organization, the militia was worse than the APU even ... well, or rather, on an equal footing, but the militia was inferior in number of heavy equipment. Until Russia tossed up military instructors and vacationers, the militia fled so that the heels sparkled, and it was the vacationers who turned the tide and organized the Ilovai boiler. Well, the instructors began to be trained to fight normally, and not to build roadblocks from tires. I remember the 14th year of how the militias tried to do, for some reason, on the Maidan and burn tires. And why should Russia capture Kiev? Is that the point? To get forty lyamov disloyal, and even openly hostile population? Better to boil in their own juice and bite with each other.

Second, the term "normal" and "APU" in one sentence are not applicable? What did they fill the troops with? Slightly doped T-64? MT-LBHami? Defective armored personnel carriers? Hammer mortars that explode regularly? T-72 export modification? Is it okay that they do not produce their own weapons on the same tanks, and cannibalize the rest? With shells, they also have a complete dupa. How many warehouses have they burned down? And right now East European NATO members are selling out warehouses at exorbitant prices, yeah. How long will Ukraine have enough ammunition if it flares up in a big way? Not for long, I suspect.

Third, transit. The position of Russia hasn't changed until now - "either the Ukrainians stop litigation, or no transit through Ukraine." And in general, Europe will survive without gas for a couple of months, while the Nord Stream is launched two times. Again - SP-2 is almost finished, South Stream-2 has not been canceled - it is not clear where the author picked up this nonsense. Well, it's funny to hear about American LNG imports, yeah. Is it okay that Russia is also increasing LNG production and an awkward situation may occur when Russia kicks out amers on the LNG market simply at the expense of the best price?

Well, as for Donbass, why give Ukraine the opportunity to get out of the territorial crisis? So there is a risk that they will be pressured to admit the loss of the region in order to join NATO. And why recognize Donbass at all? Well, from a political point of view, such a solution will bring problems in foreign policy, will provide fuel for the Western leftist media in the spirit of "Russia wants to annex its neighbors !!!" - this despite the fact that now this hurdy-gurdy already in the West has managed to tire everyone and believe in it less and less, yeah. To give such a gorgeous gift to their propagandists. Just a brilliant plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch. For the Russian Federation, the situation that exists there now is in an amicable way - no war, no peace. In which case, you can always throw some wood into the fire of the civil war, and create a threat to walk tanks to Kiev under the guise of protecting the Russian-speaking population. This forces Ukraine to spend the little money that they have on their flawed defense industry, and does not provide an opportunity to free up money for social services, which is just wonderful. And it is very inexpensive.
1. gorenina91
  
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  12 December 2019 13: 24
  
  - There are not enough minuses for you ... -I'm going to drum minuses for such sayings ... -from ten or more ...- it’s already going through the roof ... -Moreover ... as Ukrainian nationalists are drumming, so are those living in the Russian Federation ... Russian speakers ...
  - Well, and you have stated everything in principle ... right ... Russia, just like Ukraine, does not need Novorossia at all ... -Well, where is Russia also Novorossiya ??? -Where to attach it, in which case ...- well, they handed out passports and that's enough ... -And what else can Russia do ??? -In Russia itself, all production lies on its side ...- And what else could New Russia be ...
  - The same is the case of Novorossia for Ukraine ... -To Ukraine begin to sell land, Novorossia must first somewhere to put all the Novorossiysk people ... -and where you get it ??? -This is not England 16-17 centuries ... -Here and Ukraine does not need Novorossia ...
  - Ukraine and Crimea do not need ... as such ... -Yes, and the Americans too ...- they are not really going to open new bases in the Black Sea ... -There is a battered semi-legend that, they say, the Americans created in Crimea would be a base .. but it’s not so simple ... and what a huge cost ... -And why ??? -In a shallow isolated Black Sea to create a powerful naval base ... -If for that matter ...- then the Americans would have done this long ago in Georgia and Odessa; Yes, even in Romania or Turkey ...
  - Ukraine does not need this Crimea ... together with New Russia ...
  - Yes, my plus to you ...
  1. unholyknight
    
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    13 December 2019 00: 14
    
    Well then, there are few minuses for the reason that you are moaning that Russia is leaving people, that it is leaving them to their own devices, that you have promised and abandoned. I’m saying that I didn’t quit at all, and I didn’t leave it to my fate. But here to ease their situation, suddenly, not in the state interests of the country. And therefore, the Donbass is embers, and Russia keeps the canister ready. If necessary, the gasoline will be added, Ukraine will be drawn into a new round of civil war, and Ukraine’s entry into NATO will again be postponed indefinitely. Suddenly, Russia could have included Novorossia for a long time, and would not have laid down ... but why give the enemies such a gift?
    
    According to the Americans, the lack of normal harbors prevents the creation of a base in the Black Sea. Crimea is suddenly the best harbor. And the infrastructure. Why would amers invest in it if they have something ready? So they wanted to come to the Russian infrastructure in Crimea, but it did not work out. Just the costs there would not have been, but re-creating in Odessa or Romania is stupid, too costly, especially now.
isofat

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12 December 2019 01: 33

Maidanut are not going to obey the second president, not chosen by them.
It seems to me that Donetsk and Lugansk will gladly help President Zelensky, as well as those who are on his side, disarm the bandits. The civil war must be stopped!
PS The fight against evil brings together. A very good reason to unite and forgive old insults.

An army appeared in Ukraine, large, armed with heavy equipment, its fighters are trained by American and NATO instructors.

The Americans for the second time in two weeks broke the toilet on the ISS -

https://vz.ru/news/2019/12/11/1013085.html
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 07: 55

Quote: unholyknight
Nobody canceled South Stream-2 - it is not clear where the author picked up this nonsense.

Everything is clear with your level of awareness.
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 07: 58

Quote: isofat
It seems to me that Donetsk and Lugansk will gladly help President Zelensky, as well as those who are on his side, disarm the bandits. The civil war must be stopped!

What nonsense?
1. isofat
  
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  12 December 2019 19: 09
  
  You have forgotten that Donetsk and Lugansk are fighting not at all with the Ukrainians, but with the people who seized power in an unconstitutional way. The people of Ukraine have one common enemy - the "colored revolutionaries". That's all. The bastards who arranged all this are being helped by the United States.
  Ukraine, most likely, will not exist if its people do not tear off the star-striped foreign body. Life checks, what if Ukrainians are such a people?
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 08: 00

Quote: Warrior
Putin does everything right ....
Soon EVERYTHING will be cured of nationalism in Ukraine .... time is playing for Russia ..

Uff. Soon, due to Ukrainian Nazism, there will be no Russians left in Ukraine: either they will run away to Russia, or they will be painted in the Maidan, which is even worse.
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 08: 02

Quote: Valentine
You, the author, are somewhat cunning about the "surrender" of Russia according to the MS. This is not a surrender, but a wasting time, which plays to some extent on us, namely, the economic and political component of Ukraine is already on the verge

Yes, but what is happening with the economy because of this delay? Kindergarten...
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 08: 04

Quote: Sergey Balaka
It would seem, but what do you have the right to have there? Alien land, a foreign country, what is your dog ...

Wow, what is this logic that we are doing in the Crimea? there, as it were, also a foreign country and a foreign land, not? Let's be consistent then and return the Crimea, or we will not listen to your nonsense.
1. Oyo Sarkazmi
  
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  12 December 2019 19: 45
  
  What is Ukraine doing in Iraq? Kills, to the delight of the white sahibs, civilians who demand the return of oil and freedom? They chose the role of the executioner, and now they wonder - where is the respect? But when was the respect for the invaders and executioners?
  Well, yes, the other henchmen of the American executioner are forced to approve of their younger colleague. Otherwise, the face can be shlopotat.
2. Nick
  
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  12 December 2019 21: 54
  
  Quote: Marzhetsky
  Quote: Sergey Balaka
  It would seem, but what do you have the right to have there? Alien land, a foreign country, what is your dog ...
  
  Wow, what is this logic that we are doing in the Crimea? There, as it were, is also a foreign country and a foreign land, no? Let's be consistent then and return the Crimea, or we will not listen to your nonsense.
  
  Crimea, from the moment of its accession to Russia by Catherine II, did not cease to be Russian. I do not deny the fact that from 1992 to 2014 he was under the annexation of the under-state of Ukraine. But having gained independence as a result of the overthrow of legal authority in Kiev, he returned to Russia. All! The question is closed! Now and forever!
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 08: 05

Quote: Oo sarcasm
Article - A rzhachka, a rzhachka and a rzhachka over a mriya of an abandoned state! Merkel Putin called the only winner at the summit.

You never know what she said. Kindergarten ... The main thing is the result.
1. Nick
  
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  12 December 2019 21: 45
  
  Quote: Marzhetsky
  Quote: Oo sarcasm
  Article - A rzhachka, a rzhachka and a rzhachka over a mriya of an abandoned state! Merkel Putin called the only winner at the summit.
  
  You never know what she said. Kindergarten ... The main thing is the result.
  
  And the result, in your opinion, what? I understood. The result of your efforts is a multibuffer fee.
2. Oyo Sarkazmi
  
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  13 December 2019 00: 15
  
  Quote: Marzhetsky
  The main thing is the result.
  
  Result - Turks get their 15 billion. Greeks and Italians get their gas through TANAP. All. Already, Southern Europe is closed on gas without Ukraine. Remained unreached by Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia and Moldova. This is less than 10 billion cubic meters.
  Southern Poland will also suffer a little. But if you cook it, they can close the networks of the North and the South between themselves in a year. If hurry up.
  Germany and others will survive quite well with 65 billion cubic meters of SP-1 and 35 billion cubic meters of Yamal-Europe.
  Add up: 15 (TP) +65 (SP-2) +35 (I-E) = 115. Gazprom's annual export in record-breaking 2018 amounted to 135 billion cubic meters. Well, the Europeans did not store 20 billion cubic meters for every cold? Moreover, the annual consumption of Europe is 450 billion cubic meters. The deficit is less than 5%.
Marzhecki

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12 December 2019 08: 06

Quote: korriphila
Provocateur, damn it. SchA, we rush to the Carpathians, to liberate Lviv. Millions of ukrov sit and listen to Bandera, and do not buzz. Nah, Ukraine must die and pieces of meat should fall off from it, then ...

A provocateur is you and others like you with such comments.
Radical

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12 December 2019 16: 59

Quote: Valentine
You, the author, are somewhat cunning about the "surrender" of Russia according to the MS. This is not a capitulation, but a procrastination of time, which is playing to some extent on us, namely, the economic and political component of Ukraine is already on the brink, and Europe, when drafting them and their mentality, did not understand the Minsk agreements as they should, and the most important, dominant and very last point of this "opus" is the problem with the border, which can be returned to Ukraine only after the federalization of the LPNR, and not vice versa, but this FEDERALIZATION, neither now nor later, will not be given by Ukrainian nationalists who play the main role in all spheres of life in Ukraine, from the demolition of Soviet monuments to the waging of a civil war in the Donbass, and improvement of life in Ukraine is not expected for another 15-20 years, and this is still modest, according to the conclusions of European experts ... And Putin just had to be present at this summit, i.e. to certify their adherence to them, although literally everyone knows that they are not feasible ahead of time by Ukraine in this interpretation, and the LDNR remains with its own and Russian interests, and then, for a while, only the "Transnistrian option" is possible for several years, and Russian citizenship have already received more than 175 thousand residents of the LDNR, and the opening of new sections of the Federal Migration Service in the Rostov region only accelerates this process, and the issuance of Russian passports to Donetsk residents - and this is not without reason ..... Nothing, they endured more, and God forbid, soon will end.

This "time is being dragged out" for thirty years already, in all areas of politics and economy of the Russian Federation, and there is no end or edge to this!
Radical

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12 December 2019 17: 08

Quote: unholyknight
... Russia in a good situation is favorable that there is now - no war, no peace ...

Yeah, only in LDNR for some reason people continue to die, is this also beneficial to the leadership of the Russian Federation?
However, what am I talking about? It has long been clear that people, even in the LPNR, even here, are in the last place for them, they come first when it is necessary to confirm their adherence to the "democratic" structure of the Russian Federation - on election day!
1. unholyknight
  
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  13 December 2019 11: 33
  
  Yes, it's profitable. And suddenly it will be better for the whole of Russia that this situation continues. Suddenly ruling a country with white gloves is not just impossible - it is unacceptable, because it can lead to even more victims. And for those who yell "it couldn't be worse", I will upset - maybe many times over. So all of a sudden, ordinary people don't really care. And unfortunately, this is the correct policy. It's unpleasant, it doesn't have to be like that in a good world, but we live here.
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Monster_Fat

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16 December 2019 19: 02

Donbass was handed over back in 2014-15, when a Swiss arrived with a "diplomat", who put the Kremlin camarilla "in place" and when a special operation took Girkin and his "co-comrades" out of Ukraine so that they would not break the wood, after which, there was a "way back" ....