Putin in Paris quietly capitulated to Ukraine?


The Norman Four summit in Paris left behind an unpleasant “aftertaste”. Despite the attempts to present its results as a victory for Russia, it all looks more like its defeat.


Recall that some five years ago, after the Maidan, in fact there was no army in Ukraine. APU suffered a number of severe defeats in the Donbass, the road to Kiev was open. DNI and LNR requested the composition of the Russian Federation after Crimea. Gazprom's top managers haughtily declared the inevitability of a complete cessation of transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Here are the words of one of the top leaders of the "national treasure" of Alexander Medvedev from 2015:

After the end of the transit contract with Ukraine, there will be no extension or conclusion of a new one under any circumstances.


But, instead of “come and own,” our leadership chose policies "Appeasement." Donbass was denied "returning to its home harbor". Staff propagandists and their voluntary assistants scared the Third World Nuclear War over Ukraine, justifying non-intervention.

What do we have after five years?

An army appeared in Ukraine, large, armed with heavy techniqueHer fighters are trained by American and NATO instructors. Despite the mass of internal problems, the Armed Forces of Ukraine now represent a significant military force, concentrated near the DPR and LPR and not far from the Russian borders. Kiev passed a law allowing foreign troops to enter the country. A NATO base is being built in Ochakovo. Ukraine, even if it is not admitted to the North Atlantic Alliance, may become its partner in one form or another.

It was not possible to get away from Ukrainian transit. The South Stream was completely canceled due to inaction on the part of Bulgaria. The Turkish Stream halved, and Bulgaria again delayed the construction of its part of the pipeline. After the adoption of amendments to the Third Energy Package, Nord Stream-2 was empty on one pipe out of two. Under pressure from Germany, Gazprom agreed on the need to preserve Ukrainian transit. After meeting with President Putin in Paris, Vladimir Zelensky said that the contract would be concluded “somewhere in the middle,” that is, not for 1 year, but not for 10 years:

I insisted on the most ambitious conditions favorable to Ukraine and Europe - this is for 10 years [contract validity]. I think we will find a [solution] in the middle.


It seems our forecast that a new transit agreement will be signed for 3-5 years, while the United States is preparing an expansion into the European gas market. Despite claims that Gazprom will not pay fines to Naftogaz, in the end it has already paid more than $ 2 billion. Judging by the results of the summit, the rest of the debt will be allowed to pay Ukraine with gas to our “national heritage”.

Most worrying is the fate of the rebellious Donbass. Recall that the Kremlin continues to consider it a part of Ukraine; it did not recognize the results of the referenda. According to the Minsk agreements, the DPR and LPR must receive a certain “special status” and return to the Square, and the border is transferred under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Ukrainian border guards. But President Zelensky bluntly stated that he would not allow changes to his Constitution and the federalization of the country under external pressure. The Ukrainian leader also confirms the Kremlin’s readiness to give control of the border:

Kiev insists on the transfer of control over the border with the Russian Federation before the elections in the Donbass, and Russia after.


So far, the Russian leadership is walking along the razor's edge, but there are very bad signs. Gazprom’s top managers flew to Paris with Putin. It seems that Brussels and Kiev directly linked the issue of gas transit with the "final solution of the Donbass issue." If this is true, then the chances of the DNR and LNR returning to the Independent Square sharply increase. Without Ukrainian transit, Gazprom will end up with new multi-billion-dollar fines, and the budget will remain without the lion's share of foreign exchange earnings, which means serious economic problems and domestic political risks for the Kremlin.

The saddest thing in this situation is that the surrender of the Donbass will not solve anything, since the Crimean issue will be next on the agenda. If you carefully listen to what the leaders of Germany and France say, they mean "the restoration of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine." In other words, having given the Armed Forces border to the DPR and LPR, you will have to be consistent, and then return the peninsula. It is even sadder that this alignment was created by the Kremlin itself, which in 2014 decided to “appease” Ukraine.
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  1. Mihail55 Online
    Mihail55 (Michael) 11 December 2019 11: 46
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    Everything is very logical. We both sat on an oil-gas needle, and we are sitting! Where is this PRIOR IMPORT SUBSTITUTION ???? Aw !!! So on clothes, stretch the legs. We are alone in the world of WOLVES, and who is at the helm ???? KRYMNASH did not last long ... it's time to say goodbye to illusions.
    1. Victor N Offline
      Victor N (Victor n) 11 December 2019 18: 08
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      So why are you sitting on a needle? Some were more comfortable on a chest of gold sighing. Offer something of your own, even a scrap of wool. But in the world of wolves there are no helmsmen, only leaders - try to growl!
    2. Dreamboat Offline
      Dreamboat (Dreamboat) 12 December 2019 22: 58
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      Everything is normal with the Crimea, and with import substitution. I've been resting in the Crimea and helping to build a new plant, not the first one in recent years. But loafers and whiners can only push buttons: Everything is lost!
    3. Conn Offline
      Conn (Conn) 13 December 2019 03: 23
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      It's not about the “needle”, it's about Putin, who has been dancing to the tune of Western “partners” and has been polishing our ears for 20 years with his verbal diarrhea of ​​promises, while he skillfully “forgets” them and doesn't fulfill them, moreover, he repeats these promises every five years !!
  2. steelmaker Online
    steelmaker 11 December 2019 12: 23
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    The author correctly described the course of events and correctly concluded. In order for there to be some other conclusion, do you need to describe and present the course of events in a different way? That is, plan B of the Kremlin! Therefore, before criticizing the author, I would like to know at least drafts of this plan. Well, at least until 2024. Now I especially want to speak in Paris. If the prisoners are exchanged before the New Year, then Putin has not in vain met Zelensky. For the people rejoice! There will be no amnesty, but can the shelling be stopped? It remains to wait a bit and gas too. The new year will be hot for discussion, I do not count on good news.
    1. Dreamboat Offline
      Dreamboat (Dreamboat) 12 December 2019 23: 06
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      To everyone who broadcasts "crush and smudge" here, I suggest going to the Donbass. With a gun to promote their slogans.
      Why should Russia arrange the seizure of neighboring Ukraine? Why ruin so many of their soldiers? Donbass needs to think about organizing its defense and finding ways to peace. Instead, politicians sat down to share the gum. help and power.
      Pseudo-patriots accuse Russia that we have extended the transit of gas through Ukraine (at the request of customers, who needs this gas!), And that Donbass is trading in coal with Ukraine, does not bother anyone ?!
      Enough to collect a hangover at someone else's feast, first of all, you need to think about your interests!
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    3. Conn Offline
      Conn (Conn) 13 December 2019 03: 25
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      You are naive like a six year old girl!
  3. S.V.YU Offline
    S.V.YU 11 December 2019 12: 28
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    Mediocre, cowardly and prone to state treason high leadership! That's the problem! It remains to “pray to God” that Comrade Stalin “returns”!
  4. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 December 2019 12: 31
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    As for the supposedly well-armed and large Ukrainian army, it made fun ... Ukraine is forced to arm its divisions with MT-LB artillery semi-armored vehicles of Kharkov production, from Soviet times, with an open machine-gun mount, in the Ukrainian version ... since BMP is sorely lacking after the fighting in the Donbas ... tanks ?! We bought a number of killed T-72s, in the export version, in eastern Europe ... How many of them were returned to service? Presumably 1 out of 3 ... but the export T-72M and T-72M1 is not something that can scare the Russian Federation ... Everything is bad with aviation and air defense, all this is from the Soviet era, with missiles with expired shelf life ... In terms of artillery Ukrainians are forced to get from the storerooms the previously decommissioned D-30s, self-propelled guns based on them, and even samples of the 50s ... As for Donbass, I agree that it had to be returned to the Russian Federation after Crimea ...
  5. kriten Offline
    kriten (Vladimir) 11 December 2019 12: 34
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    The course laid by Putin's Minsk agreements on the betrayal of the Donetsk republics has not changed. A fascist state and the most sad, mainly with our money, under the demagogy of fraternal people, is growing on the ground, covered with the blood of our fathers and grandfathers. The Kremlin is quietly helping prepare for a war with Russia instead of strangling the fascist hydra in the bud.
  6. Bulanov Online
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 11 December 2019 13: 23
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    The best way for Russia to break the game for the West is to recognize LDNR as the heir to the Ukrainian SSR, which in turn must accept the common flag of the Ukrainian Federation in the form of the flag of the Ukrainian SSR. And there, beyond the accession of other regions, when adopting a new USSR in the EurAsEC and CSTO, it will not rust.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 11 December 2019 21: 01
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      .......... well, at least someone did not write a thorough commentary .......
    2. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 12 December 2019 08: 07
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      And who is competent to recognize as the rightful heir so that this has at least some legal consequence? Sportloto?
      1. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 12 December 2019 11: 03
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        Grisha, are you tired of writing nonsense every time?
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  7. krasstar Offline
    krasstar (Igor) 11 December 2019 14: 22
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    The New Year is coming soon, and we will see what kind of a bunch of effective managers the Kremlin is planting and around ... which are the President’s words about love for Russia and its people.
  8. korriphila Offline
    korriphila (Oleg) 11 December 2019 15: 31
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    Provocateur, damn it. SchA, we rush to the Carpathians, to liberate Lviv. Millions of ukrov sit and listen to Bandera, and do not buzz. Nah, Ukraine must die and pieces of meat should fall off from it, then ...
  9. Mrozov Yuri Offline
    Mrozov Yuri (Yuri Mrozov) 11 December 2019 15: 32
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    Yes, everything is correctly said by previous commentators. I myself have repeatedly noted that the louder the fanfare of our official media, the more modest real achievements.
  10. colyanpirogov Offline
    colyanpirogov (Nikolai Pirogov) 11 December 2019 16: 06
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    Blah, blah, blah ... It’s ridiculous to read the opinion of “whiners” with us and the same “experts” in Ukraine :) Where does everyone want their leaders ... and shouts - "u have disappeared !!!" I personally do not see any progress at all on the Minsk agreements, in fact, as on gas! We talked ... and everyone remained unconvinced, raising their rating of "verbiage to the public." How events will unfold ... what are your plans ..., neither the author nor any of the "experts" know! And before and after the holidays it is unlikely that something will change !!! In any case, the optimal solution will be chosen so that both the budget and the people are not affected. Both liberals and proponents of "tough measures" will be disappointed! good
  11. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
    Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 11 December 2019 16: 52
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    Article - A rzhachka, a rzhachka and a rzhachka over a mriya of an abandoned state! Merkel Putin called the only winner at the summit. He didn’t surrender anything, promised nothing, he won’t do anything for the benefit of the Ukrainian people. Let the 3rd secretary of the US Embassy over the income from Bidenland Nuland and Biden think.
    There will be no transit; Zelensky was indicated the place; specifically, there were no positive results for him.
  12. Sergey Balaka Offline
    Sergey Balaka (Sergey Balaka) 11 December 2019 16: 53
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    Very interesting. Especially delivered the thesis questioning -

    What do we have after five years?

    - Well, in general, we never get angry ... It would seem, but what do YOU ​​have the right to have there? A foreign land, a foreign country, what is your dog’s ... Let the conditional Vanka pounce, splinter, let the factories, the more so the defense, get over one another, even if everything is ashes — but we will put things in order in other countries! Own special order ...
  13. Valentine Online
    Valentine (Valentin) 11 December 2019 16: 55
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    You, the author, are in some ways tricky about the "surrender" of Russia according to MS. This is not surrender, but a delay in the time that plays to some extent on us, namely, the economic and political component of Ukraine is already on the verge, and the Minsk agreements Europe, when drafted and their mentality, did not understand how it should be, and the most important, dominant and last point of this “opus” is the problem of the border, which can be returned to Ukraine only after the LDNR is federalized, and not vice versa, but this nationalization will not be given either now or later by Ukrainian nationalists, who play a major role in all spheres of life of Ukraine, about the demolition of Soviet monuments, before the civil war in the Donbass, and the improvement of life in Ukraine is not foreseen for another 15-20 years, and this is still modest, according to the conclusions of European experts .... And Putin just had to attend this summit, i.e. . to prove their adherence to them, although literally everyone knows that they are not enforceable by Ukraine in this interpretation ahead of time, and LDNR remains with its own and Russian interests, and then, for a while, only the Transnistrian version is possible for several years, and Russian citizenship more than 175 thousand residents of LDNR have already received, and the opening of new FMS sections in the Rostov Region only accelerates this process, and the issuance of Russian passports to Donetsk residents - and this is not for nothing ..... They suffered more, and God forbid, soon will end.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 11 December 2019 21: 05
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      I completely agree. And then someone is crying somewhere in one direction, that everything is lost, then in the other ...
      And the truth? And the truth is always somewhere in between ...
  14. Jar.serge Offline
    Jar.serge (Reznik) 11 December 2019 18: 20
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    The author himself came up with, he was frightened, and he himself made hellish conclusions ..... The article "get out". However, the summit was held like this - neither here and there, nor could it have been otherwise.
  15. Vitaly Borchik Offline
    Vitaly Borchik (Vitaly Borchik) 11 December 2019 21: 00
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    How many do not hide your head in the “sand” of illusions (hope for the collapse of the Sumerians), and while the Sumerians have such influential curators as a geyropa, a miracle will not happen, and most likely, the author’s forecast is very realistic. So, dear capital city planners, start designing the 1st ring of fortified areas in front of the 3rd ring of the Moscow Ring Road. First LDNR, then the Sunny Land, similar to paradise, well, and then ..... Oryol, Tula, etc., etc. Sadly!

    Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat - behind Moscow!

    political instructor Klochkov, 16.11.1941
  16. A.Lex Offline
    A.Lex (Secret information) 11 December 2019 21: 06
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    The only thing that can be said about the article - let's not rush to conclusions?
  17. Warrior Offline
    Warrior 11 December 2019 21: 48
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    Putin does everything right ....
    Soon EVERYTHING will be cured of nationalism in Ukraine .... time is playing for Russia ...
    The development of Ukraine without Russia is IMPOSSIBLE - it is ALL clear to Ukraine ...
    Zelensky perfectly understands this and will move according to Putin’s program, but the ukronationalists are still strong and do not allow him to move faster ...
    Zelensky will implement the Minsk Agreements, so he took a 4-month term ... a start has been made and he has been confirmed that he will implement the Minsk Agreements.
    We are waiting and looking.
  18. unholyknight Offline
    unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 12 December 2019 01: 31
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    Uhhh, what a gorgeous bullshit. Right select omnipotence, yeah. This deliciousness is impossible to miss, because even run through the theses.

    Firstly, about the road to Kiev. Well, yes, it’s open ... of the Russian Army. Because only she could use it. Who, damn it could go to Kiev? Militia? Yes, with the organization, the militia was worse than the APU even ... well, or rather, on an equal footing, but the militia was inferior in number of heavy equipment. Until Russia tossed up military instructors and vacationers, the militia fled so that the heels sparkled, and it was the vacationers who turned the tide and organized the Ilovai boiler. Well, the instructors began to be trained to fight normally, and not to build roadblocks from tires. I remember the 14th year of how the militias tried to do, for some reason, on the Maidan and burn tires. And why should Russia capture Kiev? Is that the point? To get forty lyamov disloyal, and even openly hostile population? Better to boil in their own juice and bite with each other.

    Secondly, the term "normal" and "APU" in one sentence are not applicable? How did they saturate the troops? Slightly doped T-64? MT-Lbhami? Damaged APCs? Mortars "hammer" that explode regularly? T-72 export modification? Nothing that they produce their guns on the same tanks, and cannibalize the remaining ones? With shells they also have a full dupa. How many warehouses have they burned down? And right now they are being sold at exorbitant prices by the warehouses of Eastern European NATO members, yeah. How much ammunition will Ukraine have if it is blazing large? I suspect not for long.

    Thirdly, transit. The position of Russia, as it were, has not changed so far - "either the Ukrainians are stopping litigation, or there is no transit through Ukraine." And in general, Europe will survive a couple of months without gas until Nord Stream two is launched. Again - SP-2 is almost over, no one canceled South Stream-2 - it is not clear where the author picked up this nonsense. Well, it's funny to hear about American LNG imports, yeah. Nothing that Russia is also increasing LNG production, and an awkward situation could happen when the Russian Federation withdraws amers and on the LNG market simply due to the best price?

    Well, as for the Donbass, why give Ukraine the opportunity to overcome the territorial crisis? So there is a risk that they will be pressed and they will recognize the loss of the region in order to join NATO. Yes, and why generally recognize the Donbass? Well, from a political point of view - such a solution will bring problems in foreign policy, will provide fuel for the Western leftist media in the spirit of "Russia wants to annex its neighbors !!!" - this despite the fact that now this barrel organ already in the West managed to tire everyone and they believe in it less and less, yeah. Give such a chic gift to their propagandists. Directly brilliant plan, reliable, like a Swiss watch. The situation in what is now there is beneficial for the Russian Federation — no war, no peace. In which case, you can always throw firewood into the bonfire of the civil war, and create a threat to go tanks to Kiev under the guise of protecting the Russian-speaking population. This forces Ukraine to spend that little money that they have on its defective defense, and does not make it possible to free up money for social programs, which is just wonderful. And it costs a lot of money.
    1. gorenina91 Offline
      gorenina91 (Irina) 12 December 2019 13: 24
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      - There are not enough minuses for you ... -I'm going to drum minuses for such sayings ... -from ten or more ...- it’s already going through the roof ... -Moreover ... as Ukrainian nationalists are drumming, so are those living in the Russian Federation ... Russian speakers ...
      - Well, and you have stated everything in principle ... right ... Russia, just like Ukraine, does not need Novorossia at all ... -Well, where is Russia also Novorossiya ??? -Where to attach it, in which case ...- well, they handed out passports and that's enough ... -And what else can Russia do ??? -In Russia itself, all production lies on its side ...- And what else could New Russia be ...
      - The same is the case of Novorossia for Ukraine ... -To Ukraine begin to sell land, Novorossia must first somewhere to put all the Novorossiysk people ... -and where you get it ??? -This is not England 16-17 centuries ... -Here and Ukraine does not need Novorossia ...
      - Ukraine and Crimea do not need ... as such ... -Yes, and the Americans too ...- they are not really going to open new bases in the Black Sea ... -There is a battered semi-legend that, they say, the Americans created in Crimea would be a base .. but it’s not so simple ... and what a huge cost ... -And why ??? -In a shallow isolated Black Sea to create a powerful naval base ... -If for that matter ...- then the Americans would have done this long ago in Georgia and Odessa; Yes, even in Romania or Turkey ...
      - Ukraine does not need this Crimea ... together with New Russia ...
      - Yes, my plus to you ...
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        unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 13 December 2019 00: 14
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        Well then, there are few minuses for the reason that you are moaning that Russia is leaving people, that it is leaving them to their own devices, that you have promised and abandoned. I’m saying that I didn’t quit at all, and I didn’t leave it to my fate. But here to ease their situation, suddenly, not in the state interests of the country. And therefore, the Donbass is embers, and Russia keeps the canister ready. If necessary, the gasoline will be added, Ukraine will be drawn into a new round of civil war, and Ukraine’s entry into NATO will again be postponed indefinitely. Suddenly, Russia could have included Novorossia for a long time, and would not have laid down ... but why give the enemies such a gift?

        According to the Americans, the lack of normal harbors prevents the creation of a base in the Black Sea. Crimea is suddenly the best harbor. And the infrastructure. Why would amers invest in it if they have something ready? So they wanted to come to the Russian infrastructure in Crimea, but it did not work out. Just the costs there would not have been, but re-creating in Odessa or Romania is stupid, too costly, especially now.
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    isofat (Sergei) 12 December 2019 01: 33
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    Maidanut are not going to obey the second president, not chosen by them.
    It seems to me that Donetsk and Lugansk will gladly help President Zelensky, as well as those who are on his side, disarm the bandits. The civil war must be stopped!
    PS The fight against evil brings together. A very good reason to unite and forgive old insults.

    An army appeared in Ukraine, large, armed with heavy equipment, its fighters are trained by American and NATO instructors.

    The Americans for the second time in two weeks broke the toilet on the ISS -

    https://vz.ru/news/2019/12/11/1013085.html
  20. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 07: 55
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    Quote: unholyknight
    Nobody canceled South Stream-2 - it is not clear where the author picked up this nonsense.

    Everything is clear with your level of awareness. request
  21. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 07: 58
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    Quote: isofat
    It seems to me that Donetsk and Lugansk will gladly help President Zelensky, as well as those who are on his side, disarm the bandits. The civil war must be stopped!

    What nonsense?
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      isofat (Sergei) 12 December 2019 19: 09
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      You forgot that Donetsk and Lugansk are not fighting with the Ukrainians at all, but with people who have seized power in an unconstitutional way. The people of Ukraine have one common enemy - the "color revolutionaries." That's all. The bastards who arranged all this are being helped by the USA.
      Ukraine, most likely, will not exist if its people do not tear off the star-striped foreign body. Life checks, what if Ukrainians are such a people?
  22. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 08: 00
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    Quote: Warrior
    Putin does everything right ....
    Soon EVERYTHING will be cured of nationalism in Ukraine .... time is playing for Russia ..

    Uff. Soon, due to Ukrainian Nazism, there will be no Russians left in Ukraine: either they will run away to Russia, or they will be painted in the Maidan, which is even worse.
  23. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 08: 02
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    Quote: Valentine
    You, the author, are in some ways tricky about the "surrender" of Russia according to MS. This is not surrender, but a delay of time, which plays to some extent on us, namely, the economic and political component of Ukraine is already on the verge

    Yes, but what is happening with the economy because of this delay? Kindergarten...
  24. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 08: 04
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    Quote: Sergey Balaka
    It would seem, but what do you have the right to have there? Alien land, a foreign country, what is your dog ...

    Wow, what is this logic that we are doing in the Crimea? there, as it were, also a foreign country and a foreign land, not? Let's be consistent then and return the Crimea, or we will not listen to your nonsense.
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      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 12 December 2019 19: 45
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      What is Ukraine doing in Iraq? Kills, to the delight of the white sahibs, civilians who demand the return of oil and freedom? They chose the role of the executioner, and now they wonder - where is the respect? But when was the respect for the invaders and executioners?
      Well, yes, the other henchmen of the American executioner are forced to approve of their younger colleague. Otherwise, the face can be shlopotat.
    2. Nick Offline
      Nick (Nikolai) 12 December 2019 21: 54
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Quote: Sergey Balaka
      It would seem, but what do you have the right to have there? Alien land, a foreign country, what is your dog ...

      Wow, what is this logic that we are doing in the Crimea? There, as it were, is also a foreign country and a foreign land, no? Let's be consistent then and return the Crimea, or we will not listen to your nonsense.

      Crimea, from the moment of its accession to Russia by Catherine II, did not cease to be Russian. I do not deny the fact that from 1992 to 2014 he was under the annexation of the under-state of Ukraine. But having gained independence as a result of the overthrow of legal authority in Kiev, he returned to Russia. All! The question is closed! Now and forever!
  25. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 08: 05
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    Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
    Article - A rzhachka, a rzhachka and a rzhachka over a mriya of an abandoned state! Merkel Putin called the only winner at the summit.

    You never know what she said. Kindergarten ... The main thing is the result.
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      Nick (Nikolai) 12 December 2019 21: 45
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
      Article - A rzhachka, a rzhachka and a rzhachka over a mriya of an abandoned state! Merkel Putin called the only winner at the summit.

      You never know what she said. Kindergarten ... The main thing is the result.

      And the result, in your opinion, what? I understood. The result of your efforts is a multibuffer fee.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi Offline
      Oyo Sarkazmi (Oyo Sarkazmi) 13 December 2019 00: 15
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      The main thing is the result.

      Result - Turks get their 15 billion. Greeks and Italians get their gas through TANAP. All. Already, Southern Europe is closed on gas without Ukraine. Remained unreached by Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia and Moldova. This is less than 10 billion cubic meters.
      Southern Poland will also suffer a little. But if you cook it, they can close the networks of the North and the South between themselves in a year. If hurry up.
      Germany and others will survive quite well with 65 billion cubic meters of SP-1 and 35 billion cubic meters of Yamal-Europe.
      Add up: 15 (TP) +65 (SP-2) +35 (I-E) = 115. Gazprom's annual export in record-breaking 2018 amounted to 135 billion cubic meters. Well, the Europeans did not store 20 billion cubic meters for every cold? Moreover, the annual consumption of Europe is 450 billion cubic meters. The deficit is less than 5%.
  26. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 December 2019 08: 06
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    Quote: korriphila
    Provocateur, damn it. SchA, we rush to the Carpathians, to liberate Lviv. Millions of ukrov sit and listen to Bandera, and do not buzz. Nah, Ukraine must die and pieces of meat should fall off from it, then ...

    A provocateur is you and others like you with such comments.
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    Radikal 12 December 2019 16: 59
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    You, the author, are in some ways tricky about the "surrender" of Russia according to MS. This is not surrender, but a delay in the time that plays to some extent on us, namely, the economic and political component of Ukraine is already on the verge, and the Minsk agreements Europe, when drafted and their mentality, did not understand how it should be, and the most important, dominant and last point of this “opus” is the problem of the border, which can be returned to Ukraine only after the LDNR is federalized, and not vice versa, but this nationalization will not be given either now or later by Ukrainian nationalists, who play a major role in all spheres of life of Ukraine, about the demolition of Soviet monuments, before the civil war in the Donbass, and the improvement of life in Ukraine is not foreseen for another 15-20 years, and this is still modest, according to the conclusions of European experts .... And Putin just had to attend this summit, i.e. . to prove their adherence to them, although literally everyone knows that they are not enforceable by Ukraine in this interpretation ahead of time, and LDNR remains with its own and Russian interests, and then, for a while, only the Transnistrian version is possible for several years, and Russian citizenship more than 175 thousand residents of LDNR have already received, and the opening of new FMS sections in the Rostov Region only accelerates this process, and the issuance of Russian passports to Donetsk residents - and this is not for nothing ..... They suffered more, and God forbid, soon will end.

    This "time is dragging on" for thirty years, in all areas of politics and the economy of the Russian Federation, and there is no end to this, no edge! sad
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    Radikal 12 December 2019 17: 08
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    ... Russia in a good situation is favorable that there is now - no war, no peace ...

    Yeah, only in LDNR for some reason people continue to die, is this also beneficial to the leadership of the Russian Federation?
    However, what am I talking about? It has long been clear that people, even in LDNR, even here, are in last place for them, they come to the first place when it is necessary to reaffirm their commitment to the “democratic” structure of the Russian Federation - on election day! sad
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      unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 13 December 2019 11: 33
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      Yes, profitable. And suddenly it would be better for the whole of Russia that such a situation would continue. Suddenly ruling the country in white gloves is not simply impossible - it is unacceptable, because it can lead to even more victims. And for those who yell, “it can’t be any worse”, I’m grieving - it can be many times. So suddenly, on ordinary people, yes - in general, do not care. And unfortunately, this is the right policy. This is unpleasant, it should not be in a good world, but we live here.
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    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 16 December 2019 19: 02
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    Donbass surrendered back in 2014-15, when a Swiss with a "diplomat" arrived, putting the Kremlin camarilla "in place" and when Girkin and "co-comrades" were taken out of Ukraine by special operation so that they wouldn’t break firewood, after which they wouldn’t have there was a "way back" ....