Why Russia is buying up German depleted uranium

A wave of protest rallies swept through our country last week. The reason for popular discontent was the resumption of the import of German depleted uranium to us. People do not agree that Russia is gradually turning into a "radioactive burial ground." At the same time, the protesters do not believe Rosatom’s assurances that there really is no danger.


A week earlier, pickets of "environmentalists" were held in Germany itself. It is worth recalling that 10 years ago a similar situation led to the termination of the deal to import German "nuclear tails" into Russia.

But why did Rosatom resume “radioactive cooperation”? And is it really dangerous? For the answer we turn to physics.

The thing is that our country does not import completely waste into its territory. The raw material for the production of nuclear fuel is uranium ore, which is mined in mines. The latter contains the isotope U-235, from which subsequently fuel is produced for nuclear power plants.

However, the coefficient of isotope content in ore is too low (0,7%). The solution to the problem was the enrichment of uranium, a by-product of which is depleted uranium, which is considered waste. But, despite the "status" of the substance, it also contains U-235 in small quantities.

Our country has Technologywhich are capable of extracting quite a lot of valuable isotope from depleted uranium. In fact, this substance is “waste” only for Europe, due to its technological illiteracy.

As a result, it becomes clear that Russia does not accept waste from Germany, but valuable raw materials for processing. At the same time, we send back “enriched” uranium, for which we receive income.

After the aforementioned processing, we still have depleted uranium, which no one will be able to enrich. At the same time, it does not pose a radiation hazard, but contains fluorine, which can pollute the environment. Activists "press" on it.

However, not everyone knows that we do not bury this substance in the ground. It is stored in special metal containers and now in Russia there are more than 1 million tons of such waste.

Similarly, depleted uranium is stored in other countries with developed nuclear energy. And most importantly, no one except Russia knows what to do with it.

The main “trump card” of our country is the “Breakthrough” project, which has been working on since 2011. It involves the creation of new nuclear technologies based on a closed nuclear fuel cycle using fast neutron reactors. The successful implementation of an ambitious project will open a new era for humanity, since all the accumulated nuclear waste can be used to generate energy.

According to preliminary estimates, the aforementioned “reserves” will be enough to provide the entire planet with electricity for the next 3000 years. At the same time, only Russia will have revolutionary technology. Actually, like a significant part of the accumulated waste.

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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 December 2019 08: 57
    -1
    Nobody noticed the wave, IMHO.
    Money does not smell.
    And the consequences will be known in 10 years.
  2. Afinogen Online Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 3 December 2019 09: 19
    +2
    Why Russia is buying up German depleted uranium

    I didn’t understand here. How to understand - buying up ??? I thought the other way around - Russia is paid for the fact that it removes radioactive waste.
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  3. beeper Online beeper
    beeper 3 December 2019 09: 46
    10
    "Tails" is a narrowly professional slang of civilian mining specialists!
    It was very unexpected and sweet to read it on the Military Review! smile
    It is quite rightly noted that "tailings (enrichment wastes)" discharged into dumps (waste heaps) and sludge ponds, with appropriate new technologies, can again become a valuable source of various minerals that are currently inaccessible (or unreasonably expensive at the current level of technology) for extraction ...
    And this is especially true for the "tails" of mega-expensive uranium-containing rocks, the enrichment technologies of which are constantly being improved, since they are strategically important!

    No matter what the malacholny "young Greta" "kamlak" and no matter how strong our common fear of disasters at nuclear power plants is, the future of Mankind, including the development of the Universe, belongs to nuclear energy!
    Soviet explored and available for mining uranium deposits in many ways turned out to be outside the borders of the Russian Federation, and most of the Soviet "accumulated" reserve was treacherously surrendered to the Americans by EBN "comrades"!
    Therefore, the current Russian leadership in this case is acting very far-sighted and state-owned! IMHO
  4. T. Henks Offline T. Henks
    T. Henks (Igor) 3 December 2019 10: 28
    +7
    NPP waste problems are too specific a thing. Very few understand their essence. Maybe they will tell us briefly? And so, yes, completely defective Greta bear all nonsense. But they want to live in bold and long.
    1. Nick Offline Nick
      Nick (Nikolai) 5 December 2019 08: 28
      0
      Quote: T. Henks
      And so, yes, completely defective Greta are all nonsense

      So she has a mental disability. They wrote about this.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 December 2019 13: 22
    +5
    1. The news of the launch of new enterprises, of course, is encouraging, but we have CAPITALISM. Who is the owner? Or, as usual, it builds a state for budget money, but then it suddenly becomes private. Therefore, the GDP is 1%, because profit settles in the pockets of a private trader, and then the private trader is then persuaded to return the money to Russia.
    2. Nuclear energy is at our best and safety is also high. And in order for it to develop and improve further, our specialists need work with a good salary. Otherwise, they may leave, for example. Everything has been noted correctly - the future belongs to the nuclear power industry. And here the main thing is not to put another "Taburetkin" at the head, with its own optimization!
    1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
      Ravshan (Jamsut) 3 December 2019 18: 21
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: steel maker
      but we have CAPITALISM.

      You, where is it? If in Russia, then by. In Russia, capitalism is not yet visible even on the horizon.
      Only the initial stage of feudalism in Russia.

      Quote: steel maker
      profit settles in the pockets of private traders

      So a private trader or a capitalist?
      Private traders and capitalists, these are different entities of households. activities.

      Quote: steel maker
      And here the main thing is not to put another "Taburetkin" at the head, with its own optimization!

      In vain you run into Serdyukov and call him names. It turned out to be very useful for the state and the army. Much more useful than many boots.
      By the way, now at the head of the army of the Russian Federation there are no boots either.
      1. commbatant Offline commbatant
        commbatant (Sergei) 9 December 2019 21: 12
        -1
        In vain are you on Serdyukov run over and call him. It turned out to be very useful for the state and the army. Much more useful than many boots.
        Incidentally, now at the head of the army of the Russian Federation, too, no boots.

        SIGNIFICANTLY .... hi
      2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
        sgrabik (Sergei) 26 May 2020 14: 56
        +1
        Only an extremely sick in the head can think of such an absurd delirium. If Serdyukov is a great optimizer and a useful reformer for you, then everything is extremely clear with you. The army is not at all the sphere that can be entrusted to such would-be reformers from a cohort of "effective" managers. This very so-called "efficiency" almost ruined our entire army. Thank God that they came to their senses in time and stopped this vicious company. By the way, now General of the Army Shoigu is at the head of the army, and the Ministry of Emergency Situations is a service close to the army in its structure and very far from the furniture business, which Mr. Serdyukov was engaged in until the moment when he was very unexpectedly and controversially appointed to the post of Minister of Defense of Russia.
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 4 December 2019 12: 51
      +2
      Steelworker, a specialist I found for you:

      In 1995, the law "On the Use of Atomic Energy" was adopted, according to which all "structures and complexes with nuclear reactors, including nuclear power plants" were assigned to federal ownership.
      1. Whitesnow Offline Whitesnow
        Whitesnow (Oleg) 4 December 2019 16: 19
        -4
        But all the same, Yeltsin is blamed. Nuclear facilities for the country saved. The nuclear shield did not change for cookies. Regions kept in check. But still bad.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 14: 45
          0
          Oleg, a good rein:

          Take sovereignty as much as you want ...

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        2. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 14 December 2019 06: 49
          0
          Oleg. And you've probably heard about the "red belts". There and to this day he is remembered with an unkind word.
        3. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 26 May 2020 15: 03
          +1
          Yeah, EBN was a "good" man. He lowered the whole of Russia much below the plinth and with his gop-company handed over everything that was possible to our sworn "partners" from the West. And so - yes, otherwise he is really very "good".
    3. Nick Offline Nick
      Nick (Nikolai) 5 December 2019 08: 29
      -1
      Quote: steel maker
      The news of the launch of new enterprises, of course, is encouraging, but we have CAPITALISM. Who is the owner?

      About 75% of the economy is controlled by the state.
      1. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 14 December 2019 06: 52
        0
        Nikolay. You know that state capitalism also exists. True, we are already obsessed with ism.
        1. Nick Offline Nick
          Nick (Nikolai) 18 December 2019 20: 49
          0
          Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
          Nikolay. You know that state capitalism also exists. True, we are already obsessed with ism.

          Of course, in the USSR, starting from the late 50s, there was a state. capitalism.
  6. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 3 December 2019 14: 06
    -8
    Why Russia is buying up German depleted uranium

    All this is reminiscent of "Twelve Chairs", where the archivist Korobeinikov drove a warrant for General Popova's headset to a simpleton father Fyodor ... instead of orders for family chairs ...
    - And why exactly German ???
    - Or the Germans have already gutted their nuclear power plants ... -and do not even want to touch all these giblets ???
    - It doesn’t seem like rational and pragmatic Germany, suddenly something valuable, which can increase at times the price, suddenly decides to drive all of this to Russia ... - and most likely by barter for the supplied Russian gas (if not completely, then partly ...- that's for sure) ... - Our corrupt oligarchs will even sell everything for a tiny pullback ... - they’re ready to even plague, even the Ebola virus, to bring any infection to Russia ...
    - Not only does Russia pay with its gas, but it also gets in return such a "headache" that ... what ... what ... that the next generations will get it ...
    1. Whitesnow Offline Whitesnow
      Whitesnow (Oleg) 4 December 2019 16: 21
      0
      Kickbacks oligarchs roll back, but do not receive.
  7. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 3 December 2019 23: 02
    +4
    And now, you want to fill up all of Russia with this radioactive fluorine? Or maybe you will start storing it in your London mansions? You are not going to live in the Russian Federation, and we don’t need the waste you earn on in the Russian Federation, just like you do!
    1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
      Ravshan (Jamsut) 3 December 2019 23: 53
      -9
      Quote: Sapsan136
      You are not going to live in the Russian Federation

      So you, it seems, gathered in North Korea. Good riddance!

      Quote: Sapsan136
      and we don’t need the waste you earn in the Russian Federation

      Take it easy. No one in North Korea is lucky for waste.

      Quote: Sapsan136
      like you yourself!

      What do you. Nobody goes to North Korea except you.
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 4 December 2019 12: 54
        +2
        Svidomo, except for delirium, can’t write anything about the essence of the article?
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      2. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 5 December 2019 15: 54
        +5
        Take me to Ukraine, although people like you have already turned it into a burial ground for all kinds of waste and poisons ... And you, Mazepovite, don't have enough health to drive me out of my country, take my word for it ... I was never afraid of people like you ... and I'm not afraid, and on my own land, even more so ... The Sapsan special-purpose battalion did not bow to bullets, or to the Basmachs, or to Bandera ... and you will not wait for this from us.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 15: 03
          0
          Peregrine Falcon, FSIN? Does the number also mean something?
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 7 December 2019 15: 13
            +3
            It's simple, I'm from Voronezh ... (36 region, aka 136). He served in the Federal Penitentiary Service, now in the Emergencies Ministry ... Although the Federal Penitentiary Service is just as relative as the Voronezh OMON, which did not get out of Chechnya ... The VVD (not to be confused with the Airborne Forces) also has a Sapsan detachment ... these are counter snipers. .. I've also been there ... I've been playing shooting sports since I was 14, a hunter ... And in general, as Bandera's Jamshut Sterlikov writes, I am a rashist, an imperial, and so on, and so on ... In general, I am one of those who over the state is offended ...
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 15: 33
              +1
              ....... even though he did not serve in the army, but lived there for 14 years ..... good soldier drinks
            2. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
              Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 19: 50
              -6
              Quote: Sapsan136
              I'm a rashist, an imperial and so on and so on ..

              There are many of those. But, fortunately, they gradually die out from old age.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              In general, I am one of those who are offended by the power ...

              And the powers have been 28 years old. Didn't you notice this?
              So, stop being offended and let us live normally in the modern world.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 December 2019 19: 55
                +5
                I consider you bandits, murderers and thieves, and I don’t want to live with you in the same country ... And there are more people like me, for whom you are not brothers, but impudent foreigners, every year, including thanks to people like you ... People see what you really are .... My country, this is Russia and it does not matter what kind of political system it has today, Ukrainians are embarrassed by their history, because the history of Ukraine is a history of betrayal and slavery, and Russia has nothing to be ashamed of, because Russia, like all normal countries, does not shout that before 1991 it was not ... it was and will be, like like you, this does not mangle.
                1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                  Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 20: 11
                  -6
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  I consider you bandits, murderers and thieves and in the same country I do not want to live with you ...

                  Yes, I am aware of how your "spiritual mentors" behaved in the 30-50s.
                  And what happened to those with whom they did not want to live in the same country.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  My country is Russia

                  But figs to you. Your country is the USSR. And in particular the RSFSR.
                  A modern country is called the Russian Federation. And it’s not just that.
                  This is NOT YOUR country. YOU, personally YOU, do not want this country to be yours. Do you want a return to the RSFSR.

                  ... and Russia has nothing to be ashamed of, because Russia, like all normal countries, does not shout that before 1991 it was not

                  Well, let's put it this way, about 1991, the issue is debatable. But what is unambiguous and accurate is that until 1918 the Russian Federation was not there either.
                  And RI has no relation to the Russian Federation. And as for the RSFSR to the Russian Federation, this, I repeat, is a moot point.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  she was and will be, as it were, like you

                  If it was, it was formed very recently.
                  And what about "will", this is also my grandmother said in two.
                  The US hitting the Russian Federation (which is perhaps the Iskander’s laugh) is fraught with, if not destruction of the Russian Federation, then great troubles for it. HUGE.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 December 2019 20: 43
                    +4
                    I don’t give a damn about your nonsense, you’re sick ... and it doesn’t heal ... A US trip to the Russian Federation is fraught with the destruction of the United States ... Those like you have nothing to do with Russia ... And Russia, it’s under Ivan Grozny Russia ...
                    1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                      Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 20: 49
                      -3
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      And Russia, Russia under Ivan the Terrible ...

                      Under Ivan the Terrible was Muscovy.
                      Russia was still there, but its capital was in Kiev.
                      "All Russia" was (the prototype of Russia), but this is also later than Russia and Muscovy.
                      And Russia appeared 137 years after his death.
                      Literate, damn it.
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 December 2019 20: 55
                        +3
                        The Tsar and the Grand Duke of All Russia - the title of Ivan the Terrible ... And Muscovy called Russia only beaten Poles by Russians, before whom people like you have creeped for centuries and now they have been collecting apples while living in Polish fields, in booths. Kiev from the 13th century is a Polish Catholic village ... You are not Russia, you are not Russia!
                      2. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
                        Ravshan (Jamsut) 9 December 2019 21: 07
                        -5
                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        The Tsar and the Grand Duke of All Russia - the title of Ivan the Terrible ...

                        Have you seen enough films about Ivan Vasilievich?
                        1. All Russia is not Russia.
                        2. During the reign of Ivan the Terrible, Russia itself did not enter the boundaries of "All Russia".

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        And Muscovy called Russia only beaten Russian Poles

                        1. Muscovy was the name of the state ruled by Ivan the Terrible. Nobody even knew about "All Russia" abroad. Because Russia did not enter Muscovy at that time.
                        2. Russians first appeared only in 1917. After the March revolution of 1917.
                        Learn the story. Useful.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        Kiev from the 13th century Polish Catholic village ...

                        Nope. Kiev, this is Holy Russia. Those. Russia, all the way, since the time of Vladimir, is Orthodox.
                        But there was still Russia, which converted to Islam. It was called Tartaria. Her capital was in Moscow.
                        Learn history not from the Soviet alphabet.

                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        You are not Russia, you are not Russia!

                        I don't know who "you" are. I am personally a Russian and an atheist.
                        But in fairness it must be said that Kiev was ALWAYS the capital of Russia.
                        And Peter was the capital of Russia (RI).
                        And Moscow was the capital of Tartaria, Muscovy, the USSR and the Russian Federation (new Russia).
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 9 December 2019 21: 12
                        +5
                        Mazepovets, those who geared the Poles, Swedes and Turks, this is not Russia, these are the ancestors of girls standing on the sidelines of roads in the Russian Federation .... Kiev, this is a Polish Catholic village, 200 yards, according to the recollections of a German traveler of the 13th century ... DOP, you declare yourself a God-chosen people ... I wonder how you have not done it yet ... Wretched countries always love to praise themselves ... Just look at the countries of Latin America, where the Admiralissimus always commands three coast guard boats ... Although , here you have already caught up with them, you have 4 admirals for 20 armored boats.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 December 2019 10: 51
    +5
    Quote: Ravshan
    In vain you run into Serdyukov and call him names. It turned out to be very useful for the state and the army. Much more useful than many boots.

    Bravo laughing
  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 4 December 2019 13: 29
    -2
    The author is just a provocateur. He pursues his own goal, hidden from prying eyes.

    This is how things are with Germany’s nuclear power industry -

    On June 6, 2011, the German Federal Government decided to leave 9 units of eight nuclear power plants and gradually completely abandon the production of nuclear energy by the end of 2022. Among operating power units, 5 operates on the thorium fuel cycle. June 30, 2011 the law was adopted by the Bundestag.

    It’s clear that radish is not sweeter, but if the author was more competent in this matter, he would not write about uranium, but about nuclear fuel wastes in general. For a large share is not uranium mining at all.
  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 4 December 2019 13: 47
    -2
    Quote: steel maker
    1. The news of the launch of new enterprises, of course, is encouraging, but we have CAPITALISM. Who is the owner? Or, as usual, it builds a state for budget money, but then it suddenly becomes private. Therefore, the GDP is 1%, because profit settles in the pockets of a private trader, and then the private trader is then persuaded to return the money to Russia.
    2. Nuclear energy is at our best and safety is also high. And in order for it to develop and improve further, our specialists need work with a good salary. Otherwise, they may leave, for example. Everything has been noted correctly - the future belongs to the nuclear power industry. And here the main thing is not to put another "Taburetkin" at the head, with its own optimization!

    If you had brains, you would write smart things. Privatization in Russia handed over to private hands what did not produce profit by definition. Or the fact that fussing with this property brought a headache more than that dough. Hairdressing, trade. The main, strategic engineering, mineral resources, electric power, gas, oil industry, academic science, railways, transport infrastructure remained in the hands of the state. Yes, shareholders were allowed, but they received shares that did not exceed either a blocking stake (major industries) or a controlling one.

    With "Taburetkin" you have completely shown your ignorance. He was assigned to do hard and thankless work. The Soviet Army numbered up to 5 million people. The collapse of the USSR required a sharp reduction and concentration of strategic and important tactical weapons within the borders of Russia. An inconceivable amount of unnecessary property. Officers' houses, hospitals, military camps, stadiums, training grounds, airfields, schools and headquarters with their own economic affairs. So he performed the task - to throw all this unnecessary trash off the budget. All this could be distributed. Better yet, sell. Now the Russian army does not exceed a million people. It is armed with mainly modern weapons. This is what you put in the criminal acts of the former Minister of Defense?
    1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
      Ravshan (Jamsut) 4 December 2019 14: 02
      -4
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      The main, strategic engineering, mineral resources, electric power, gas, oil industry, academic science, railways, transport infrastructure remained in the hands of the state. Yes, shareholders were allowed, but they received shares that did not exceed either a blocking stake (major industries) or a controlling one.

      It's nice to read a knowledgeable and knowledgeable person.
      And it’s unpleasant to read the screams of Soviet citizens, who in the Soviet Union most often had nothing but tattered trousers on their butts, "sentry, we were robbed."
      It turns out that these robbers someone robbed. Depriving them of what they never had.
      But for some reason, these "robbed" acquired privatized (their own) apartments, dachas (if you use the logic of Soviet citizens, it is not clear what funds were built for) and other benefits of civilization.
      But how many Soviet gr. do not feed, he still looks in the direction of "Soviet socialism". This is his mental (more precisely, psychopathological).

      Quote: Vkd dvk
      He was appointed to do hard and thankless work.

      Absolutely right. Serdyukov, like Kiriyenko in his time, did what it was necessary to do, but nobody wanted to do it.
      And Serdyukov dealt with the task brilliantly.
      After which his place has already become demanded and many people have come to him. Therefore, Serdyukov was dismissed from his post.
      Well, public details already know everything.
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 4 December 2019 19: 01
        +2
        Quote: Ravshan
        …AND unpleasantly to read...

        And who is very interested in what a Russophobe like you is unpleasant? It’s unpleasant for you - don’t read, he decided to cry here ...

        Quote: Ravshan
        …AND unpleasantly to read the screams of Soviet citizens, who in the USSR most often had nothing but tattered trousers on their backs, "sentry, we were robbed."
        It turns out that these robbers someone robbed. Depriving them of what they never had.
        But for some reason, these "robbed" acquired privatized (their own) apartments, dachas (if you use the logic of Soviet citizens, it is not clear what funds were built for) and other benefits of civilization.
        But no matter how much you feed them, they still look in the direction of "Soviet socialism". This is his mental (more precisely, psychopathological) ...

        Russophobes do not understand that their cries are not even funny, and all your howls on the topic - you will see, here we will see - who are you? No more than Russophobe - moreover, of rather low qualification, amateur, so-so ...
        And if you write from your own experience even about trousers, at least about the people of the Holodomor - well, YOU have such a fate ...
    2. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 4 December 2019 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: wkd dvk
      ... If you had brains, you would write smart things. Privatization in Russia handed over to private hands what did not produce profit by definition. Or the fact that fussing with this property brought a headache more than that dough ...

      You even the term that you wrote at the end of your post can not be called, you still worse.
      What you wrote about is an idea, yes, the idea was not bad, even almost good, BUT its implementation - there are at least all the saints here, there were two enterprises, let’s name it for which to shoe a flea was too big a goal), thanks There is only one thing left for your privatization - in the USA, what we had is privatized and simply broken. And there are many such examples; if you want, you will find it yourself.

      Quote: wkd dvk
      ... With "Storetkin" you have shown completely your ignorance. He was assigned to do a hard and thankless job ... An unthinkable amount of already superfluous property. Officers' houses, hospitals, military camps, stadiums, training grounds, airfields, schools and headquarters with their business affairs. So he performed the task- throw off all this unnecessary stuff from the budget...

      If you consider everything selected to be rubbish, what should I talk about with you *? To drive you into DOS for ten years and DO NOT let them out of the town, so you would listen from your family what she thinks about the elimination of everything that you listed ...

      Quote: wkd dvk
      ... Now the Russian army does not exceed a million people. It is armed mainly with modern weapons. ...

      Well, the main thing you have not been taught. The main thing is people, but yours Taburetkin dispersed them very harshly, and this is one of the reasons why they trampled him on - non-public, but these are the details, but this reason is not the only one and I won’t tell you the details anyway - well, do not inspire confidence , neither you nor Ravshan, your companion).

  • NordUral Offline NordUral
    NordUral (Eugene) 4 December 2019 14: 04
    -2
    I would like to believe it, but that's not what I believe.
  • begemot20091 Offline begemot20091
    begemot20091 (begemot20091) 4 December 2019 14: 20
    +4
    Quote: Ravshan
    It's nice to read a knowledgeable and knowledgeable person.
    And it’s unpleasant to read the screams of Soviet citizens, who in the Soviet Union most often had nothing but tattered trousers on their butts, "sentry, we were robbed."

    And of course - today everyone is smart - they only heard about them from the liberals. And about the level of knowledge of current wiseacres - this video:

  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 5 December 2019 19: 19
    0
    Quote: 321
    Quote: Ravshan
    …AND unpleasantly to read...

    And who is very interested in what a Russophobe like you is unpleasant? It’s unpleasant for you - don’t read, he decided to cry here ...

    Quote: Ravshan
    …AND unpleasantly to read the screams of Soviet citizens, who in the USSR most often had nothing but tattered trousers on their backs, "sentry, we were robbed."
    It turns out that these robbers someone robbed. Depriving them of what they never had.
    But for some reason, these "robbed" acquired privatized (their own) apartments, dachas (if you use the logic of Soviet citizens, it is not clear what funds were built for) and other benefits of civilization.
    But no matter how much you feed them, they still look in the direction of "Soviet socialism". This is his mental (more precisely, psychopathological) ...

    Russophobes do not understand that their cries are not even funny, and all your howls on the topic - you will see, here we will see - who are you? No more than Russophobe - moreover, of rather low qualification, amateur, so-so ...
    And if you write from your own experience even about trousers, at least about the people of the Holodomor - well, YOU have such a fate ...

    When did you get a concussion? Recently? You can’t tell Russophobe from the anti-Soviet. So you can agree that communism and the other bastard was invented by the Russians. And they introduced this garbage all over the world. Ravshan is not a Russophobe. He sees in socialism of the USSR idiocy and bullshit. Deception and fraud are everywhere. And I did not meet his statements about Russian.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 5 December 2019 23: 09
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      ... You got a concussion when? Recently? You can’t tell Russophobe from the anti-Soviet. So you can agree that communism and the other bastard was invented by the Russians. And they introduced this garbage all over the world. Ravshan is not a Russophobe. He sees in socialism of the USSR idiocy and bullshit. Deception and fraud are everywhere. And I did not meet his statements about Russian.

      I have at least something to shake, but it’s hard to say about you - judging by your comments, I wondered who I’d manage to do WITHOUT your advice and who I would take into account?
      And I don’t care what exactly it is called, a warrior, it’s a warrior, but the difference in wording is in half what and where he sees it — but about the United States he has solid praises, in short.
      And the fact that this one praises Shkuro or Stessel does not bother you? If not, then this is your choice - I have another ...
      And as for communism, or rather, that you obviously don’t like it - once again, for those who are especially discerning, like you - you don’t like it, it’s YOUR choice, but the rest, especially those who caught it, have to impose your views too much, there were and its pluses and minuses ... Very briefly so.
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 15: 13
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        321, no one found communism ...
        The concept of "communism" as a "state regime" was introduced by Western countries. In fact, it is FALSE (another of). There were COUNTRIES OF SOCIALISM and nothing more. And communism ... this is an idea to build and implement which SOVIET citizens should have striven for ...
  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 5 December 2019 19: 25
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    Quote: wkd dvk
    ... If you had brains, you would write smart things. Privatization in Russia handed over to private hands what did not produce profit by definition. Or the fact that fussing with this property brought a headache more than that dough ...

    You can’t even be called the term that you wrote at the end of your post, your situation is even worse.
    What you wrote about is an idea, yes, the idea was not bad, even almost good, BUT its implementation - there are at least all the saints here, there were two enterprises, let’s name it for which to shoe a flea was too big a goal), thanks There is only one thing left for your privatization - in the USA, what we had is privatized and simply broken. And there are many such examples; if you want, you will find it yourself.

    Quote: wkd dvk
    ... With "Storetkin" you have shown completely your ignorance. He was assigned to do a hard and thankless job ... An unthinkable amount of already superfluous property. Officers' houses, hospitals, military camps, stadiums, training grounds, airfields, schools and headquarters with their business affairs. So he performed the task - throw off all this unnecessary stuff from the budget...

    If you consider everything selected to be rubbish, what should I talk about with you *? To drive you into DOS for ten years and DO NOT let them out of the town, so you would listen from your family what she thinks about the elimination of everything that you listed ...

    Quote: wkd dvk
    ... Now the Russian army does not exceed a million people. It is armed mainly with modern weapons. ...

    Well, the main thing you have not been taught. The main thing is people, but yours Taburetkin dispersed them very harshly, and this is one of the reasons why they trampled him on him - non-public, but these are the details, but this reason is not the only one, and I won’t tell you the details anyway - don’t call trust, neither you nor Ravshan, your companion).

    The main thing is people.
    Another nonsense of a modern liberalist. The reduction in the population of Russia compared with the population of the USSR. Do you understand verbiage? Pay for the maintenance of the entire economy, inherited from the USSR, throwing away billions of money needed for another matter. Do you understand that? Yes, the main thing is people. And you need to think not about the part, but about everyone. That is - about those, and, most importantly - those who do not wear epaulets. Because THEY will pay for the fact that such boobies as you will sit and do nothing, expecting something .....
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 5 December 2019 23: 23
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      It is not clear to those like you that "the main thing is people" meant something completely different - then there was a CHOICE, it was possible to select the best, which is difficult to say now, but when you, like an economist, were embarrassed by this, you are NOT interested in quality, and not only quality ...
      Did you wear epaulets yourself? If not, what can we assume that you are trying to discuss something with no ear or snout - drive into the town ... a thousand kilometers from civilization, and even WITHOUT ... the list that you used to call trash - a lot will go? But the thrifty ones, like you, do not care - well then, don't groan - "but how did it happen that June 22, 1941" ... and away we go ...
      You will save yourself, figuratively speaking, a Chinese will come and go for a stew to cut down a forest around the clock and so for life, ready so? And your family is exactly the same, so don't forget to tell them how their dad "saved" ...
      PS And when you look in the mirror, you will see a liberalist there ...
  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 5 December 2019 23: 30
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    .....
    .... there were their pluses and minuses ... Very briefly so.

    WITHOUT Communists, Russia was a thousand years old. And with THEM it was enough for 80. And there is nothing to blame on foreign countries and external enemies. They could not do anything with us the whole history of Russia. Only ourselves could destroy the Homeland, the Fatherland. Under the strict guidance of a false idea. The Sharikovs and Shvonders were made of us by the comrades communists.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 5 December 2019 23: 45
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      It seems that it was you and people like you who were destroying it, here for a day already a figure from Kazakhstan, Sake, "disappeared", here he is also here toss caviar, what bastards are commies, but he somehow let slip that took part in this collapse ...
      That's just doing everything so that the idea is not the worst initially, it became essentially false - when it was "do as I do" everything was relatively normal, but when such introduced a little bit different - "do as I said", that's poured down, and there were some other things when the kids close to the party bosses decided that just "everything is possible" is not enough for them, so we want to become like in the West, but they forgot to buy brains FIRST ...
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 15: 28
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        Liberda, kreakly and "professional Ukrainian" are already a state of the brain, 321 ...
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 7 December 2019 15: 26
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      Vitya, the Communists BECAME the result of the rule in Russia of an elite built on the exploitation of man by man (in short) ... And as for the external enemies and abroad ... THERE ALWAYS sought to destroy and conquer Russia, and RUSSIANs to take us to the root (partly ), and partly be made slaves (like African blacks, or Irish) .... But you don’t need to write here that THERE WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THERE ... They wanted to and how else, otherwise where so many invasions from the West to Russia? And the Civil War of 18-20? She would not have lasted six months, IF IF there had been no outside interference!
      Although ... what am I here to prove to a "professional Ukrainian"?
    3. commbatant Offline commbatant
      commbatant (Sergei) 9 December 2019 21: 56
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      WITHOUT Communists, Russia was a thousand years old.

      It is true that for more than a quarter of a century, as there are no communists in power and Russia has not died, but in comparison with other republics of the Union, where for the most part there is the former party nomenclature of the CPSU, somehow it does not really live ... became, apparently, due to the lack of a large number of "breadwinners" and "brothers", all the countries that were part of the Department of Internal Affairs, these are countries that fought on the side of Nazi Germany in the Second World War. Is it worth it now to take offense at them, as well as at the Republic of Belarus (which until the 1th year of the last century was part of Russia), Ukraine (which received most of its land from the Russian Tsars and Bolsheviks) ...
      When the RI / RSFSR / USSR gave its lands to the horrible Russian population, is it worth it to be offended that it is now the Russian population, hates its mother Russia, abandoning them ... and giving its children to rogues ...
      Bottom line .... the majority of Russian-speakers in the 90s voted for independence from the Russian Federation in the Baltic countries and Ukraine ...
      Only the Crimean Autonomous Okrug, the Abkhaz Autonomous Okrug and the South Ossetian Autonomous Okrug (having the right to self-determination under the Constitution of the USSR), consistently and correctly dreamed of returning to their mother Russia ....
      After the war, 08.08.08 Russia became again a superpower, after the spring of 2014 the Russian Federation took a course to become the only one ....

      Under the strict guidance of false ideas

      However, it is not necessary to find fault with everything that was 73 years old under the Communists, many ideas were and are (I hope now) close to the peoples of Russia ...
      The "Pepsi generation" has proved in two Chechen companies, in Pristina and in NORD-OST, that Russians will kill Russia's enemies under any government ...
  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 7 December 2019 15: 35
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    Quote: A.Lex
    Vitya, the Communists BECAME the result of the rule in Russia of an elite built on the exploitation of man by man (in short) ... And as for the external enemies and abroad ... THERE ALWAYS sought to destroy and conquer Russia, and us, RUSSIANS - to bring to the root ( part), and part to be made slaves (like blacks of Africa, or Irish) .......... Just do not need to write here that THERE WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THERE ... They wanted it and how else, otherwise where so many invasions from the West to Russia? And the Civil War of 18-20? She would not have lasted six months, IF IF there had been no outside interference!
    Although ... what am I here to prove to a "professional Ukrainian"?

    Perhaps I put it not so clearly. That is - it is not necessary to blame others for the collapse of the USSR. For, no matter what they did for a thousand years, they did not succeed. And the indicator of REAL misfortunes for us is just the discord within. Take the Time of Troubles. Take the Tatar-Mongol invasion.
    I could be wrong, but I believe that there was no invasion. At least on such a scale. Just feuds inside allowed aliens, for hire some, to cut others. Ryazans often hired strangers and participated against the same beasts. And vice versa. And in almost our time - Vlasov and his accomplices? And in our time - the same Navalny and his accomplices?
    Russia was beyond the power of all external. But she was defenseless from herself.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 7 December 2019 18: 58
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      ... Perhaps I did not put it that clearly. That is - it is not necessary to blame others for the collapse of the USSR. For, no matter what they did for a thousand years, they did not succeed. And the indicator of REAL misfortunes for us is precisely the discord within ... Russia was beyond the power of all external. But she was defenseless from herself.

      Aliens helped, in many ways, but helped ...
      But the discord was coming from below - well, when there was no sausage, now it is and how many varieties - you are tormented to count, but this sausage is no longer, in fact, just one name ...
      On the other hand, from above, there’s a discord - BG sang correctly in due time,

      ... And their children are crazy because they have nothing more to want ...

      - whispered in your ear bully at one time, that one of the offspring, having watched the movie "Toy", said that he too WOULD like it and what a bad life he has, that he cannot do that ...
  • Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 14 December 2019 07: 08
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    Since the conversation went off topic here .... I do not understand people who scold the USSR, but at the same time say "We won the victory in the Second World War." This is the merit of the fathers and grandfathers who lived in the USSR. I don't like the hysterical tone either. This is certainly not Russian. The flip side of hysteria is panic.