Russia is in time trouble: Kiev has set a condition for the Kremlin on gas


As soon as the gas negotiations between Ukraine and Russia began to go into a constructive direction, a serious blow was dealt to them. The Swedish court of appeal nevertheless ruled in favor of Naftogaz, having finally and irrevocably awarded him a fine of nearly $ 3 billion in fines.


This success immediately turned Kiev's head. The representative of the Ukrainian gas company Yuri Vitrenko enthusiastically wrote on the social network:

Complete victory! Ukraine is winning again! We won the appeal on the first complaint of Gazprom against the decision of the Stockholm arbitration!


In general, what was to be expected. All these European courts openly play along with Ukraine in the confrontation with Russia. If the Stockholm arbitration were to be decided in favor of the domestic monopolist, he would automatically launch Naftogaz around the world, and with it the whole Nezalezhnaya. Therefore, the Russian company was made “extreme”. Frankly speaking, Gazprom was clearly waiting for something similar, since they had already reserved a sum corresponding to the fine for a long time. You can go to higher courts in Sweden, but the result is pretty easy to predict.

What's next? Further more.

Just a few days ago, the Ukrainian side of the negotiation process showed a very constructive position. Kiev voiced its readiness to conclude a short-term, one-year transit agreement according to European rules, and even considered the possibility of paying off the fine due to gas discounts. But now everything has changed for the worse.

As for money, there are two options. You can pay Naftogaz in a good way. We can wait for the Ukrainian company to rightfully begin to seize the European assets of Gazprom. If you think about it, then the top managers and lawyers of a leading state corporation, who short-sightedly signed an agreement with similar conditions, where the company turned out to be so easy to “bend” in a politicized European instance, are responsible for such an inglorious finale. Now Naftogaz has gained the opportunity to earn more on lawsuits than on gas transit. Recall that they counted claims of almost 20 billion.

With transit, too, everything was complicated. Feeling himself on horseback, Yuri Vitrenko, on behalf of Naftogaz, in an ultimatum form, demanded that Gazprom conclude a new transit agreement no later than December 13, making a reservation that it should be long-term. That is, they no longer remember about the annual contract in Kiev, hastily hastening to meet Moscow in two weeks. It is interesting that Ukraine intends to coincide with the signing of the meeting in the Norman format, although it has no relation to gas issues. This is a question regarding the status of Donbass, which leads to certain thoughts about some new “secret protocols” to the Minsk agreements, since Kiev received an additional lever of pressure on the Kremlin.

Note that Ukraine frankly does not have time to fully implement European legislation until January 1. It is not isolated from Naftogaz and is not certified by an independent gas transmission operator. But in Kiev they are pushing Moscow, claiming some "intermediate options." Probably, we mean the scenario of deliveries of "no man's gas" about which we told earlier.

President Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov said the Kremlin’s time pressure. Yes, time is short, but there are no good options left. Have to choose among the bad.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 28 November 2019 11: 04
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    Yes, you do not have to choose anything. You just need to put respect for yourself and the country above the dollar. When you close the valve, they themselves will run forward forward! And stop talking to them and TRADE at all, until they begin to cave in under us. Russia will not be impoverished, except for some, and RESPECT will increase! Yes, and Europe will have an example that not everything decides the dollar.
    1. tom44 Offline
      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 12: 50
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      Quote: steel maker
      you just need to put respect for yourself and the country above the dollar.

      Will you eat a quinoa? Or bark from trees? And will you apply plantain to appendicitis? Or is it that all the way "heal hawthorn"?

      Quote: steel maker
      When you close the valve, they themselves will run forward forward!

      Why is this a fright? Did you dream of a hawthorn dream?

      Quote: steel maker
      And stop talking to them and TRADE at all, until they begin to cave in under us.

      So they don’t start after all. They were also made there with no finger, they understand the position of Gazprom much better than you and your friend hawthorn.

      Quote: steel maker
      Russia does not get poorer, except for some

      Without Gazprom, then? Without Gazprom, it’s very impoverished. Very very.

      Quote: steel maker
      and RESPECT will be added!

      Where did you see esteemed beggars? They never were and never are. And will not be. The world is not built as you imagine it.

      Quote: steel maker
      Yes, and Europe will have an example that not everything decides the dollar.

      It is he who decides everything. And it will decide for a very, very long time. If not always.
      1. 123 Online
        123 (123) 28 November 2019 15: 05
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        Excuse me, are you writing from Poland? How is the strawberry crop?
      2. S.V.YU Offline
        S.V.YU 28 November 2019 16: 12
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        Well, you have the joy! You will rejoice until people like Zhirinovsky come to power!
      3. S.V.YU Offline
        S.V.YU 28 November 2019 16: 34
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        A Hawthorn is much more useful than your Svidomo-kosher Buryakivka on pig litter!
      4. Upmost Offline
        Upmost (Innocent) 29 November 2019 01: 01
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        Great comment.
        In this case, 100% support all the points above.
    2. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 29 November 2019 09: 08
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      I don’t quite understand what kind of problem and indignation? And where does the supposedly “wrong arbitration” mean? As far as I understand, the consideration of disputes was provided for in this arbitration, the decision was made on specific points of the contract? What does it have to do with "prejudice", "Russophobia" and other nonsense? Just a decision on a dispute between business entities. And that’s all. So you need to calm down and work on the bugs.
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 29 November 2019 11: 05
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        Do you have any relation to jurisprudence? If so, then half the minimum answers to those questions that you ask should already be clear to you, and if not, what is the point of explaining? It will not work briefly, but in detail it’s just laziness) and this is not to mention the fact that the next volume, or Hans (guns), or Sake, will come running and, as usual, will start to “grow out of thin air” ...
        1. Arkharov Offline
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 29 November 2019 11: 33
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          ... another volume will come running, or Hans (Guns), or Sake, and as usual will begin - "vsevrete" ...

          - and you just don't lie.
          1. 321 Offline
            321 (321) 29 November 2019 13: 00
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            At first, look at yourself, too, well, right there was a walking conscience))
            and about jurisprudence you did not answer? At least pass you by?
            PS I especially lied when I explained to one of the previously written that Russia is the successor of the USSR, with all the ensuing consequences))
  2. Afinogen Offline
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 28 November 2019 11: 28
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    All Ukraine will arrange a holiday from such news, reinforced horse racing with a pan. And I want to ask a question to our government: How long will we tolerate this ??? Where is self esteem? Well, if Europe so does not want our gas, well, turn them off. Let three times more expensive to buy from Americans. And what authority is this Stockholm arbitration? Why should we listen to him and do it? I remember that we lent Ukraine (even before the Maidan) 5 billion, and where are they? Ukraine said - they gave Yanukovych, take him from him and laugh at us. And no arbitration or courts forced her to pay us a debt.
    1. tom44 Offline
      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 12: 56
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      Quote: Athenogen
      And I want to ask a question to our government: How long will we tolerate this ???

      And what do you endure with us? In order not to be so patient, you watch less TV.

      Quote: Athenogen
      Well, if Europe so does not want our gas, well, turn them off.

      And what will you eat and be treated? There will be no gas supplies to Europe, there will be no money for grub and medicine. Grunt from hunger and elemental flu.

      Quote: Athenogen
      even buy three times more expensive from Americans.

      Why not 30 times? Who told you nonsense that liquefied American and Qatari gas is more expensive than Gazpromovsky?

      Quote: Athenogen
      Why should we listen to him and do it?

      Because these are the rules of the game in the world. Who violates them, for a start, they beat him. And if they don’t understand, they’ll kill.

      Quote: Athenogen
      I remember that we lent Ukraine (even before the Maidan) 5 billion, and where are they?

      I think they will go offsets with milks after January 1 from Gazprom.

      Quote: Athenogen
      And no arbitration or courts forced her to pay us a debt.

      You are not up to date.
      1. boriz Offline
        boriz (boriz) 28 November 2019 13: 50
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        Who told you nonsense that liquefied American and Qatari gas is more expensive than Gazpromovsky?

        There is evidence that the "American" LNG will cost $ 660. Reverse - $ 250, Gazprom can easily offer 160 - $ 180 and will be with a good amount.

        http://day.kyiv.ua/ru/article/ekonomika/dlya-chego-ukraine-dorogoy-amerikanskiy-gaz

        LNG from the United States physically cannot be cheaper than the Gazprom Pipe, given all the logistics and a double change of state of aggregation.
        1. tom44 Offline
          tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 00
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          Quote: boriz
          There is evidence that the "American" LNG will cost $ 660. Reverse - $ 250.

          This is all nonsense. In 2019, Ukraine on average bought gas for $ 195 per 1000 cubic meters.

          Quote: boriz
          Gazprom can easily offer $ 160 - $ 180 and will be with a good amount.

          Yes, in the near future Gazprom "will be with a good gain." With very good. Ukrainians will take it away like sticky.

          Quote: boriz
          LNG from the United States physically cannot be cheaper than the Gazprom Pipe, given all the logistics and a double change of state of aggregation.

          Maybe easily. Subject to US export policy.
          In addition, do not forget about Qatari gas.
          And besides, do not forget that the USA is the main market for Europe. They will tell the United States to buy gas from them, and they will buy from them. Regardless of its price. Otherwise, a kayuk to Europe, as he dreamed of China. Who also thought something significant about himself there. But in vain.
          1. boriz Offline
            boriz (boriz) 28 November 2019 15: 25
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            This is all nonsense. In 2019, Ukraine on average bought gas for $ 195 per 1000 cubic meters.

            Actually, I gave a link to Ukrainian sources.
            1. tom44 Offline
              tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 51
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              Quote: boriz
              Actually, I gave a link to Ukrainian sources.

              It’s to me that your links, that the “Ukrainian sources” are not interesting.
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      2. 123 Online
        123 (123) 28 November 2019 15: 07
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        Correct the pan on the heads, slithering into the eyes. repeat
        1. tom44 Offline
          tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 52
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          Quote: 123
          Correct the pan on the head, it slides into the eyes

          Unlike you, I don’t wear it.
          1. S.V.YU Offline
            S.V.YU 28 November 2019 16: 18
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            Pan-cooking - your identity, the descendants of the great Sumerians!
          2. 123 Online
            123 (123) 28 November 2019 17: 23
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            Unlike you, I don’t wear it.

            They took off for the winter? Does the head freeze?
            1. vik669 Offline
              vik669 (vik669) 28 November 2019 17: 33
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              So the bone will not freeze!
    2. S.V.YU Offline
      S.V.YU 28 November 2019 16: 16
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      The thing is that people who are NOT capable of state work, or simply state traitors, have settled in the Kremlin! Russia has achieved that every SHAVKA-MOSKA UNPUNISHED spits in her face !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the leadership only wipes the spit of "dear partners"! Soon these spitting spits will rub with a boot !!!! SHAME !!!
      1. tom44 Offline
        tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 17: 01
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        Quote: S.V.Yu
        SHAME !!!

        Remind the "great Stalin"? He is the criminal authority of Koba. He is Georgian Dzhugashvili. After the war, Dzhugashvili was sent:
        1. USA (with Japan). But this is not considered, the United States could then (and now can) afford everything.
        2. Yugoslavia and Marshal Tito.
        3. Albania (microscopic Albania) and E. Khoji.
        "Great Stalin" just wiped himself out.
  3. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 28 November 2019 11: 51
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    - In the subject

    Details of a court ruling on a gas dispute between Russia and Ukraine are disclosed.

    I personally have already expressed my position on what is happening ...
    - In general ... -good thing ... it turns out ...- all "these discussions" ...
    - Personally, for a whole broken year I constantly and specifically spoke about what an unprofessional and dumb Gazprom and what trap it falls into (and even more than one) ...
    - And personally, I constantly warned about this ...- always reminded that I myself did not want to be right in my forecasts ...
    - Almost the whole site was against me ...- and how many minuses were ... ........................
    - And so my forecasts began to come true ...
    - And today I already have enough "supporters and like-minded people" ...- it turns out that they thought so before too ... -Lately something they began to think so ...
    - Well then ...- it’s better to "think later", "than never" ...- Hahah ...

    - As for this particular topic

    The Swedish court of appeal nevertheless ruled in favor of Naftogaz, having finally and irrevocably awarded him a fine of nearly $ 3 billion in fines.

    And about this personally, I have already spoken out in the subject - "Details of the court decision are disclosed ...". In the same topic, I personally spoke out that Russia today simply cannot avoid a new long-term agreement on Russian gas supplies with Ukraine ... -That's it ...
    - But the whole paradox is that Russia should avoid it (this treaty) at all ... I explain very briefly:
    - Russia has a very critical situation (if not hopeless) with the supply of Russian gas through pipelines ...
    - And with the launch of SP-2, nothing for Russia (Gazprom) will change for the better (only a whole bunch of “costly difficulties” will be added);
    - And with the launch of the Turkish Stream, nothing will improve for Russia ... -And what a whole bunch of monstrous and nightmare difficulties will be added for Russia ... it’s better not to talk about it ...
    These are the "heaps" .. that Russia now needs to be raked ... -And what now do Russia ??? And now Russia will have to go out with a “proposal” to Ukraine itself ...
    - And as soon as possible, take the initiative to conclude a long-term agreement with Ukraine on the supply of Russian gas through Ukrainian territory ... -Russia will be forced to do this anyway ... -But in this case, Ukraine will impose Russia on such a bunch of its "all kinds of conditions "(which Russia will have to accept and fulfill) .. -So
    the first "voluntary option" of concluding a treaty for Russia will be much more profitable and will help Russia to somehow "save its face" ... -That's the matter ... -Well, since Russia (Gazprom) itself got into such catastrophic traps ...
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      gorenina91 (Irina) 28 November 2019 12: 02
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      - But in general ... - it's all "particular" ...
      - And it is high time for Russia to end these gas pipelines ...- all these pipelines should work exclusively on Russian territory ... -And all the “Russian pipes” abroad ... are a disaster ... for Russia ...
  4. tom44 Offline
    tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 12: 39
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    Russia is in time trouble: Kiev has set an ultimatum to the Kremlin on gas

    The desire to wage some kind of constant battle is amazing. From this they do not disdain any kind of juggling.
    1. Not Russia, but Gazprom.
    2. Not Kiev, but Naftogaz.
    3. Not to the Kremlin, but to Gazprom.
    Those. for normal people, the phrase would sound like this (I’ll immediately make a reservation that I omit the assessment of the illiteracy of the expression “put an ultimatum”):

    Gazprom in time trouble: Naftogaz delivered an ultimatum to him on gas.

    Those. there is a dispute between business entities.
    But this is not enough for them. They want war. At least virtual.
    As for the matter, Gazprom is not a tenant. The US wants to sell Europe its "funny" shale gas. And they WILL BE selling it to Europe. And Gazprom will be gradually transferred to the status of a reserve gas supplier to Europe. As of now, it has the status of a reserve gas supplier to China.
    Everyone will suffer, both Gazprom and Naftogaz. But first, Naftogaz, right from January 1, will gradually be allocated Gazprom in full and 22 billion greens (Gazprom will pay them in one form or another without fail), this is only the tip of the iceberg. In addition, of course, the volume of gas purchases by Europe from Gazprom will be gradually reduced to very modest levels.
    And then, of course, Naftogaz will suffer from the complete cancellation of transit (i.e., after 10 years).
    1. YUG64 Offline
      YUG64 (Yuri) 28 November 2019 12: 50
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      Gazprom is not a tenant, seriously ?? This Europe is not a tenant without cheap Russian gas, so old Merkel fights for him and will stand to her death. But I advise everyone who wants to bury him to sit in the WAIT position, Gazprom also has an eastern direction ... And from what hangover who then for Gazprom decided that he would pay ALL ukrohotelki ??? In arbitration, it’s understandable, but even that, there is no rigid reference to the time of payment. And all other wet and boundless fantasies of parasites will end in about a year, maybe earlier. As soon as all the interconnectors to the west of the Svidomo Bone Coast are ready ...
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 28 November 2019 13: 35
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        Why are you telling all this to the next all-round props, here at the end of last week already came such, either Hans, or Guns)) but somehow disappeared quickly, it is possible that this is his reincarnation)))
        1. YUG64 Offline
          YUG64 (Yuri) 28 November 2019 13: 38
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          Then I tell that it was in eternal melancholy))
          1. tom44 Offline
            tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 02
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            Quote: YUG64
            Then I tell that it was in eternal melancholy.))

            We’ll look at yours soon.
          2. 321 Offline
            321 (321) 28 November 2019 17: 34
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            He is in this guise here today or when he speaks, and then again he will change his nickname)
        2. 123 Online
          123 (123) 28 November 2019 15: 11
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          Why are you telling all this to the next all-round props, here at the end of last week already came such, either Hans, or Guns)) but somehow disappeared quickly, it is possible that this is his reincarnation)))

          Whether a skunk. laughing That's right. Arguments will not help here.
      2. tom44 Offline
        tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 13: 45
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        Quote: YUG64
        Gazprom is not a tenant, seriously ??

        Absolutely.
        You are slightly behind life. Somehow we missed the shale revolution.

        Quote: YUG64
        This Europe is not a tenant without cheap Russian gas

        These are your fantasies.
        For starters, Russian gas is not cheap at all.
        And besides cheap gas in Europe (and in the world), like dirt.

        Quote: YUG64
        Gazprom also has an eastern direction ...

        You need to tell such things in a Comedy Club ...

        Quote: YUG64
        And with what hangover someone for Gazprom decided that he would pay ALL ukrohotelki ???

        From that hangover that Gazprom has contractual obligations to European buyers. Who are not interested in how Gazprom will deliver gas to them.
        Failure to comply with these obligations is:
        1. Penalties for disruption of supplies.
        2. Refusal of gas supplies by Gazprom in the future, reorientation to other suppliers, which are not lacking.
        Those. natural disaster for Gazprom.

        Quote: YUG64
        end in about a year, maybe earlier.

        Of course, run out. It is only unclear what will remain of Gazprom after this year.

        Quote: YUG64
        As soon as all the interconnectors to the west of the Svidomo Bone Coast are ready ...

        Ready, ready. It is not clear whether they will be needed in a year.
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 28 November 2019 15: 13
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          Ready, ready. It is not clear whether they will be needed in a year.

          Dear, do not waste time, stock up dung. The winter is coming.
          1. S.V.YU Offline
            S.V.YU 28 November 2019 16: 25
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            So ukrov manufacturers KIZYAK in short supply! Polish fat is chewed and washed down with Polish milk!
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 28 November 2019 17: 26
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              So ukrov

              It’s not a fact that this is about him, from where - he doesn’t admit, maybe he just hit his head.
    2. boriz Offline
      boriz (boriz) 28 November 2019 14: 04
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      Listen to this and you will understand what kind of painful nonsense you are talking about "American" gas.
      Gazprom will not pay fines, it will simply stop transit. This is precisely what the transnational corporations, to which Kobolev and Vitrenko obey, are achieving. They want to pit the Russian Federation and Europe. When in Ukraine, after a stop of transit, a mere madhouse begins, everyone will forget about fines. And the Stockholm court, by its ambitious decisions, signed a sentence. It will simply remain without work.
      1. tom44 Offline
        tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 13
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        Quote: boriz
        Listen to this and you will understand what kind of painful nonsense you are talking about "American" gas.

        I won’t even waste time.

        Quote: boriz
        Gazprom will not pay fines

        Where will he go?
        Will pay, of course. Otherwise, activities outside the Russian Federation will have to be forgotten. That for Gazprom (and Russia) is absolutely unacceptable.

        Quote: boriz
        just stop the transit.

        Just just rabbits breed.

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        This is precisely what the transnational corporations, to which Kobolev and Vitrenko obey, are achieving.

        Have you not drunk Zelenka today? It's time.

        Quote: boriz
        When in Ukraine, after stopping transit, a real madhouse will begin

        For several years Ukraine has not been buying gas in Russia. And nothing, the madhouse did not start. Where will it start this winter?

        Quote: boriz
        everyone will forget about fines.

        This is your collective farm accountant may forget something there. Nobody will ever forget about such money in Europe.
        And Ukrainians understand this very well.

        Quote: boriz
        And the Stockholm court, by its ambitious decisions, signed a sentence. It will simply remain without work.

        Of course, you can desire anything. But only international law is beyond your control. Therefore, the Stockholm court will not go anywhere.
        1. boriz Offline
          boriz (boriz) 28 November 2019 15: 22
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          Complete nonsense. "I won’t even waste time."
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          boriz (boriz) 28 November 2019 15: 34
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          "Just the rabbits just breed."
          Here, by the way, is the latest news:

          Naftogaz’s executive director, Yuri Vitrenko, said the company had already received a warning from Gazprom that without a new transit contract, Russian gas would cease to flow into the Ukrainian gas transmission system (GTS) from January 1.

          https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7219703?utm_source=finobzor.ru

          So, swallow the hawthorn and go to sleep. Of you, both the expert and the predictor are like a dog’s sieve.
          1. tom44 Offline
            tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 55
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            Quote: boriz
            Here, by the way, is the latest news: Naftogaz’s Executive Director, Yuri Vitrenko, said that the company had already received a warning from Gazprom that, without a new transit contract, the supply of Russian gas to the gas transmission system (GTS) of Ukraine would cease on January 1.

            Well, stop, and stop. What's up with that? What is this for Ukraine? She has not bought Russian gas for several years.
            Unless in transit in the first months of 2020, slightly lose. But then everything will return with interest.

            Quote: boriz
            So, swallow the hawthorn and go to sleep.

            This should be done just for you. It's about time.

            Quote: boriz
            Of you, both the expert and the predictor are like a dog’s sieve.

            We will see. It’s not long left.
          2. 321 Offline
            321 (321) 28 November 2019 17: 40
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            Do not offend dogs so)
        3. S.V.YU Offline
          S.V.YU 28 November 2019 16: 28
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          Of course of course! Ukraine does NOT buy gas from Russia! She buys RUSSIAN gas from the neighbors! Though more expensive, but to spite the damned Kremlin!
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            tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 17: 03
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            Quote: S.V.Yu
            She buys RUSSIAN gas from the neighbors!

            Why are you so sure that Russian? And if even Russian, then what?

            Quote: S.V.Yu
            Though more expensive, but to spite the damned Kremlin!

            Actually, cheaper than Gazprom offered her.
        4. 321 Offline
          321 (321) 28 November 2019 17: 39
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          ... But only international law is beyond your control. Therefore, the Stockholm court will not go anywhere ...

          - didn’t you write this dregs?)
          At the beginning of the year, no later, foreign law firms, and not one, ALREADY nicely worked on this very topic, changing the very arbitration ...
          But you continue to write that everything will be fine there))
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    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 28 November 2019 14: 32
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    A complete embargo on trade with Ukraine, sending home all the gangsters and patriots of Ukraine, lost in the Russian Federation, with the deprivation of Russian citizenship ... Stop feeding a foreign country hostile to Russia!
    1. tom44 Offline
      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 19
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      Enough to feed a foreign country hostile to Russia!

      You somehow stayed in the 90s.
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        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 28 November 2019 19: 42
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        No, these are those who feed Kyrgyzstan at the expense of and to the detriment of the Russian Federation, somehow still cannot get out of hard drinking and understand that this is a foreign country, and the USSR has not been around for 30 years ...
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    Anatoly Unknown (Anatoly Unknown) 28 November 2019 15: 01
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    All writers Marzhetskogo (remember this name) have a clear provocative orientation. Moreover, as always, these are his personal fabrications, not supported by anything. This is roughly like Orlovsky on Politikus.
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      123 (123) 28 November 2019 15: 15
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      All writers Marzhetsky (remember this name) have an explicit
      provocative orientation. Moreover, as always, these are his personal fabrications, not supported by anything. This is roughly like Orlovsky on Politikus

      I remember this name, but in fairness, not all of his articles are like that. There are adequate ones.
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    Port 28 November 2019 15: 32
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    Will you eat a quinoa? Or bark from trees?

    It’s a bad idea to feed intermediaries (freeloaders), when they will cover transit, they will eat svidomye quinoa, they are familiar with the “famine”.
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      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 58
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      It’s a bad idea to feed intermediaries (freeloaders), when they will cover transit, they will eat svidomye quinoa, they are familiar with the “famine”.

      Very soon we will see who and what will eat. Gazprom's debts, from whom will they tear off?
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    Port 28 November 2019 15: 41
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    The desire to wage some kind of constant battle is amazing.

    While there are people like you, you have to keep the strategic nuclear forces dry, this is a condition for the preservation of Russia. Fear disciplines Russophobia.
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      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 15: 57
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      As long as there are people like you, you have to keep the strategic nuclear forces dry, this is a condition for the preservation of Russia, fear disciplines Russophobes.

      Something Soviet has recently taken for the fashion of calling themselves Russian. Why would such a mod? Maybe they are planning to crank something up? Finally decided to mow under the Russian decided?
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        321 (321) 28 November 2019 17: 44
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        So they forgot to ask you)) why the mod, call, crank, mow - what do you care ??? Nobody has consulted with you and is NOT going to.
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    Port 28 November 2019 15: 46
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    Will you eat a quinoa? Or bark from trees?

    Feeding freeloaders' mediators is a bad idea, a Ukrainian with a cart is easier.
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    Port 28 November 2019 15: 57
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    Unlike you, I don’t wear it.

    It is difficult to put a pan on a pan, but your case proves that there is no impossible for a clinical Russophobe.
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      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 16: 10
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      Quote: Port
      for clinical Russophobe

      Do not confuse the Soviet with the Russian and call the anti-Soviet (most often Russian) Russophobes.
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        321 (321) 29 November 2019 13: 23
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        How exactly you, and not only you, to call, we will figure it out ourselves and we won’t ask for your advice, no matter how hard you are here)
  11. Port Offline
    Port 28 November 2019 16: 03
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    Finally decided to mow under the Russian decided?

    Unlike you, I have a USSR passport with a nationality column.
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      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 16: 55
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      I have a USSR passport with a nationality column.

      You never know who and what was funny in the papers was written.
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      arkasha2805 (Sergei) 29 November 2019 12: 01
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      If the column nationality does not have the word Russian, in ter. Russia is better not to be !!!
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      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 29 November 2019 22: 50
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      And I have a party card for a member of the CPSU.
  12. Port Offline
    Port 28 November 2019 16: 08
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    Very soon we will see who and what will eat. Gazprom's debts, from whom will they tear off?

    Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

    Otto von Bismarck
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      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 16: 54
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      Russians always come for their money.

      Maybe they come. But what do you have to do with them?
      Soviet and Russian, these are different entities.
      And owls. come and go only then and to where they are ordered. And yourself, no, no.

      Quote: Port
      Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

      So do not play with the Russians. Burn yourself.
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    Port 28 November 2019 16: 13
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    Do not confuse the Soviet with the Russian and call the anti-Soviet (most often Russian) Russophobes.

    Nobody calls you Russian, don’t even hope, your breed mimics itself under the Russians when it smells fried.
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    Roarv (Robert) 28 November 2019 20: 55
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    Here it’s just right to ask, when Russian gas, gas pipelines + underground storage, what the hell are gas managers in the supply agreement laid down the resolution of disputes in Stockholm ..... Yoooooper Theater, under which ruler of the country some island or peninsula resolved disputes with Russia ... .
    Neither pride nor self-esteem, receive humiliation and pay fines for the fact that Russia has gas ... the whole misfortune of the Russian economy is from the grief of managers.
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    Dust (Sergei) 28 November 2019 22: 02
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    For starters, Miller must resign with his managers and lawyers! It amazes me at all why it was necessary to sign the papers, that the Swedes will be the judge. Knowing full well the hatred of the West towards Russia.
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      tom44 (tom44) 28 November 2019 22: 46
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      Knowing full well the hatred of the West towards Russia.

      Well, who cares, Russia is the West.
      Attention is paid to something significant. And Russia is very insignificant economically. Even Israel is cooler in this regard.
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    Pishenkov (Alexey) 29 November 2019 00: 11
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    For the imaginary victory, even before receiving the money, the management of Naftogaz wrote bonuses for itself. Well, in principle, the practice is quite well-known and standard for such companies. You can discuss the size of the premium, its payment before receiving a fine, etc., but the fact of the premium is quite in order.
    And now here:

    Top managers and lawyers of a leading state corporation are responsible for such an inglorious finale.

    - I absolutely agree with the author. Question: if premiums are assigned for “reclaimed love” in such companies, then you also have to answer for the losses somehow, don't you? So why the amount of the fine was somehow "prepared by Gazprom", and not its top managers responsible for all this disaster? I think they are quite capable of paying that amount, grunting a bit. So what was the matter ???
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    Upmost (Innocent) 29 November 2019 01: 05
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    Russia has achieved that every SHAVKA-MOSKA UNPUNISHED spits in her face !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And what, in fact, can Russia counter such attacks?
    Nothing, for there are partners who give US dollars for dollar-producing gas and dollar-bearing oil.
    If you bull a lot / long, there may be problems.
    But problems will already be when LNG expands the circle of customers.
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      arkasha2805 (Sergei) 29 November 2019 11: 59
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      The citizens of Russia themselves are to blame, and then it will be even worse!
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    Upmost (Innocent) 29 November 2019 01: 10
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    President Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the Kremlin’s time pressure

    Well, at least once he told the truth, without embellishment, and not a standard snowstorm ...
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 November 2019 09: 45
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    The oligarchs are fighting for gas.
    Costs - from the treasury. Profit - in your pocket.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2019 10: 53
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    What does it have to do with "prejudice", "Russophobia" and other nonsense? Just a decision on a dispute between business entities. And that’s all. So, you need to calm down and work on the bugs.

    The true liberal.
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      Jar.serge (Reznik) 29 November 2019 11: 17
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      The question is that the Americans do not adhere to international law either in politics or in economic disputes. They act by the right of the strong. The courts issue only anti-Russian sentences in all matters, no matter whether it concerns individual citizens or political or economic issues. Here, an “open-minded attitude”, here is much worse - double standards. If it comes to the United States or its puppets, then everything is fine, an example of Kosovo. If it comes to Russia, an example is Crimea. In the so-called "economic" issues, one US attraction against Huawei is worth it. And if you take the sport, it’s just a helpless gesture, the American “broilers” are athletes who have been pumped up as much as possible without criticism ... In military matters, the United States and the most “peace-loving” NATO bloc can bomb Yugoslavia, ruin the countries of Libya, Iraq and others on far-fetched occasions, and Russia, having come to the aid of Syria, with which it has a treaty since Soviet times, is also to blame. So, you are a true liberalist.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2019 10: 56
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    All writers Marzhetsky (remember this name) have an explicit
    provocative orientation. Moreover, as always, these are his personal fabrications, not supported by anything. This is roughly like Orlovsky on Politikus

    I remember this name, but in fairness, not all of his articles are like that. There are adequate ones.

    Thank you.
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    Jar.serge (Reznik) 29 November 2019 11: 08
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    Time trouble - what nonsense. You do not have to be an analyst, but you have to be more or less familiar with Ukrainian realities in order to understand what to expect from American puppets in Kiev. So there was enough time to think and prepare. Another thing is that the choice of instruments is limited, because the Americans with their "jackals of tobacco" play without rules, and Russia adheres to international law.
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    Screw (Gennady) 29 November 2019 13: 19
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    Swedish lawyers make banned in the Russian Federation.
    Block the valves January 1, 2020. Take Transgaz management on long vacations and corporate parties without going abroad. Picnics somewhere in Tuva or on the Borshchovo ridge (Chita region) for healing baths outside Shilka until the end of January. And no cell phones.
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      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 29 November 2019 15: 35
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      And what, did Swedish lawyers queue up at the border? To Stockholm? And cry, cry ....
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    Upmost (Innocent) 29 November 2019 16: 40
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    Excuse me, are you writing from Poland? How is the strawberry crop?

    People like you, “scorch” instantly - on the base argumentation of your opus.
    Instead of real counter-facts - a departure for personal injections and insults.
    Sooner or later, normal citizens of the Russian Federation will have to understand - a strong and powerful country must be strong in everything - science, economics, industry, finance, and then the corresponding position and authority in the world.

    In Russia, little is now left of the authority of the USSR.
    The "Nuclear Umbrella" is still covering, and the gas / petrodollars do not give a definitive collapse.
    But this is not the merit of current officials in power.

    But the fact that the country has not emerged of real authority in almost 20 post-Yeltsin years (even among the former Soviet republics) is the fault of the current rulers. They do not strive for the best, they try to sit on what is, with a plunder along the way. The gate-to-garbage caliber of thinking is immediately visible.
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    molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 29 November 2019 22: 13
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    I have two questions for all commentators:
    - where is our aluminum and what is the next change in line?
    - How do other countries live without gas sales? I am surprised - we have resources, huge potential, people, territories, and we all argue with someone. Whatever happens.
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    filippino lippi (filippino lippi) 28 December 2019 02: 09
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    Clamped Gazprom and the Kremlin! What will you do? You, all Crap! You BROUGHT RUSSIA! Stop mocking the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA!