Why can not you compare the "Putin" and "Stalin" industrialization

Modern Russia is often compared with the USSR and called it the “pale shadow” of the industrial giant. But is it? And how is “Putin's” industrialization different from “Stalinist”?

Let's start with what we have today. The construction of the Amur Gas Processing Plant is 50% complete. It will become one of the largest among similar complexes in the world. At the same time, the helium plant, which is part of it, will not be equal in power on the entire planet. In total, 15 workers were involved at the peak of construction.

Thanks to this giant, our country will be able to extract useful components from gas transported to China. The latter will be used in the production of plastics, medical equipment and other products.

Another giant called ZapSibNeftekhim is being built in Tobolsk. The refinery is already operating in test mode and is producing polyethylene. This material will be used to create pipes, cables, etc., which, in turn, will significantly reduce the import of such products from abroad.

Construction of a mining and metallurgical plant for the processing of copper ore continues in Transbaikalia. The largest shipyard Zvezda is being built in the Far East. In Yamal, following Yamal LNG, preparations are underway for the creation of another plant, Arctic LNG2, which has already signed a contract with the aforementioned Far Eastern shipyard for the construction of 15 gas carriers. And this is only a small part of what is being done in Russia today.

However, network users often mention data on 100 thousand factories that were built in the first Soviet five-year plan. In fact, for all 13 years of industrialization, about 9 thousand industries were built in the USSR, and this is taking into account the reconstructed royal ones.
From scratch in the Soviet Union, machine building, metallurgy, mining complex and others were created. It was a huge breakthrough, which, ultimately, ensured the country victory in the Great Patriotic War.

The achievements of modern Russia are more modest. On average, our country erects 428 facilities per year, compared with 692 being built under the USSR. But you need to understand that the Soviet Union "started" from scratch. Unlike modern Russia, which is already provided with many important resources. At the same time, there is no need to produce them twice as the sales market is limited.

It is also important that Russia is only a part of the USSR. In addition, the current industrialization is “very comfortable” for the Russians. Today, no one is forcing citizens to participate in the industrial development of the country. This, for the most part, was achieved thanks to private investment, which the Soviet Union was deprived of.

“Stalinist” industrialization, unlike the modern one, was carried out due to the ruin of the peasantry, sale of natural resources for nothing, etc. But, it was a forced choice of the time, the fruits of which we still use today, and therefore have no right to condemn.

In general, today in Russia there is no industrialization. There is a systematic development in the conditions of fierce competition. Therefore, a comparison between the USSR and the modern Russian Federation is not practical.

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  1. nnz226 Offline nnz226
    nnz226 (Nikolai) 7 November 2019 12: 13
    Again, the oil industry plants were cited as an example! Nothing but processing raw materials! There would be no bragging about a new factory for the production of world-class cars, finally, TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, smartphones! The layman does not understand the high manufacturability of nuclear power plants built in Egypt (or elsewhere), you cannot touch it with your hands, but holding an American iPhone, a Korean smartphone in your hands, looking at an LG TV, washing clothes in a Samsung machine, and sitting in an Opel or "Renault" for a trip to work, he believes that Russia, apart from selling oil abroad, does not know how, no matter how the President says that the production of liquefied gas is a high technology! So what about Putin's industrialization ??? Under Stalin, the country saw that factories were being built to produce cars, tractors, airplanes, etc. Speaking of airplanes, how will the Superjet be reincarnated? Got rid of it in full, thanks to the Russian media! About the MS-21, except for blah-blah, are there any progress? When will it be released? Years in heels, although blah blah it has been going on for a dozen years! There is no need to talk about the aircraft production cycle from development to takeoff - I know. In the USSR, they did not boast, going to the army, but they boasted, walking with the army, that is, real achievements. And here - in the media not a word about new products, moronic programs about stars, their children and sexual perversions, or, as in the proverb:

    The chicken is perched, the eggs are in the tail, and we are already selling chickens in the market!

    And then the shame on the air with the burning Superjet, the refusal of foreign companies to buy it because it is more on the ground, and does not fly, etc., etc.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 28 November 2019 14: 51
      Nothing but processing raw materials! No need to brag about the new factory for the production of world-class cars, finally, TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, smartphones!





      One more is on the way. In the Moscow region, the ceremony of laying the first stone of the factory for the production of Japanese trucks Hino -


      I found this in 5 minutes. They are, you just don’t notice. Most televisions, microwave ovens and other things are produced in Russia. Except for smartphones. But it so happened, they are all going to China. Just brands are often foreign. Do you think it’s better to restore AZLK? VAZ, despite the name, is also being made with the Japanese and French. You go to their site, information is regularly released, there are tractors and washing machines.
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 30 July 2020 14: 54
        So in tsarist Russia, too, it was built, but all this was foreign, everything floated there. Now, too, everything floats to where - only the president knows, or maybe he does not. What is the use of these construction projects - 75% of the population who live in this Russia, just like in the tsarist. They are not yet starving, but this is ahead.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 30 July 2020 16: 09
          So in tsarist Russia, too, it was built, but all this was foreign, everything floated there. Now, too, everything floats to where - only the president knows, or maybe he does not.

          In our time, it is generally difficult to distinguish between "our" and where "foreign". You see, for example, Yandex is a Russian company, but no, it is registered in the Netherlands. You look at Uranium One, it seems, and the name is "imported", and works overseas, but in fact Rosatom. As for "floating away", you are right, you need to get all the registration from offshore companies and drive companies from New York and London to the local stock exchange.

          What is the use of these construction projects for the 75% of the population who live in this Russia, exactly like in the tsarist. They are not yet starving, but this is ahead.

          Benefit? Jobs, taxes, cheaper products. Of course, the owners benefit more, laughing but I cannot say that the construction sites are completely useless. Without them, we will come to the result of the United States with "paper" GDP and no real production.
          Are you, excuse me, from the first wave of immigration? Did you deign to leave under Kolchak? Why do we prophesy death by starvation is not clear. request
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  3. v_bueff Offline v_bueff
    v_bueff (Yuri) 7 November 2019 16: 44
    Alksnis competently reduced a qualitative failure to a quantitative failure in the production of bearings.

  4. yuriy55 Offline yuriy55
    yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 7 November 2019 18: 23
    Production and business, industrialization and propaganda are two different things. And those an average of 428 objects per year, where jobs at best under a hundred - a significant creation of the promised 25 million jobs. Populists, cynics and liars. One indicator of economic growth at 000% is worth ... Ugh ...
    Tell us about power plants, about the created shipyards ... The country of banks, pharmacies, dental offices, massage parlors, hairdressers and shops ... Erase these Putin's achievements when the pension is enough to make ends meet ...
  5. Shelest2000 Offline Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 7 November 2019 18: 58
    Well, yes, well, yes, we get up from our knees, yeah ... Does the author want to tell you how many thousands of schools were closed under Putin? And how many tens of thousands of factories have been closed and destroyed? And what about hospitals? Doesn't he want to? And what about Khakhalev's "justice" and its lawlessness?
    Author, name at least one brand of domestic (and currently produced in Russia!) Phone / TV / home computer (laptop)? Well, at least some household electrical equipment produced in Russia and completely from domestic components?
    you look like ...

  6. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 November 2019 21: 01
    Putin can only be compared with EBN, he is not worthy of another comparison!
  7. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 8 November 2019 09: 05
    Putin's industrialization?
  8. Oleg Kalugin Offline Oleg Kalugin
    Oleg Kalugin (Oleg Kalugin) 8 November 2019 11: 52
    The author, I am not against Russia and the state. Putin, I understand the conditions under which everything is spinning, but ...
    How did she get a lie. Not everyone who watches your releases is losers!
    Here on the same channel "Time - Forward" at least twice caught on lies, when they slip a beautiful picture for non-specialists, or rather, a video with robots, which is not at all related to the topic.
    I am engaged in metal structures and in the topic on which they hung noodles, I somehow understand. And I affirm that all infa is a lie. Further and there they say that they built the workshop from ZERO. I go to the site of this company, look at the photos with the NEW workshops and - oh, horror, the panels from the Soviet Union, but somewhere sheathed ... And in the workshops there are cranes from the 80s ... Is it a lie ?! How to believe the rest?
    And this is only a part of what the "shapkozakidatelstvo", that is, noodles, that is, falsification of facts, or - LIE! I can throw in more examples.
    One would like to say that the NKVD has long been lacking for the Lapshegons and those who submit false reports, as well as for propagandists!
    The conditions are comfortable not only for people, as the author writes, they are very comfortable primarily for crooks and scammers.
    And the most important thing. Under the USSR, everything belonged to the State - the people and was built on the money of the people. And the beneficiary was the people. And who is now - and silence ...
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 30 July 2020 14: 57
      You forgot to add after the word silence: silence and dead people stand with braids.