Why Roscosmos "merges" the project of the Angara rocket

Yesterday, the Angara rocket family was practically “our all” in an attempt to maintain Russia's position in space. And now the state-owned corporation Roscosmos is breaking a contract for its production with the Khrunichev Center. What is wrong with our “great white hope”?




The Russian missile is a "long-term construction", which spent over 100 billion rubles, and is the subject of serious debate, having its supporters and opponents.

Good hangar?


It should be understood that the booster was the brainchild of its time. Its concept was born in the early nineties, immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Baikonur suddenly found himself on the territory of another sovereign state, like many space industry enterprises. The young Russian Federation needed a rocket that was completely created and launched in our country.

During its design, very interesting solutions were applied. Instead of the poisonous heptyl Kazakhstan complained about, environmentally friendly kerosene was used as fuel. Engineers provided a modular design that makes the launch vehicle almost universal. Based on universal missile modules (URM), you can assemble a full line of carriers: from light to very heavy. Such an approach made it possible to put production on the conveyor belt and very seriously reduce the cost of the final cost of spacecraft.

As a result, Russia was to receive the ubiquitous Angara, covering all positions, including the Federation manned spacecraft, plus the old but reliable workhorse, Soyuz. Moreover, all launches should be carried out from the territory of our country, guaranteeing us a reliable gate to space. Beautiful, rational.

But why, after more than two decades, does the Russian Defense Ministry swear at the Angara, and Roskosmos is breaking the contract for its production?

Bad "hangar"?


Due to the lack of adequate funding in the nineties, the project turned out to be very time-consuming, realized largely on the enthusiasm of its developers. During the period when Angara could already fly and fly, numerous private space companies sprang up abroad, which began to intercept launch orders from Roskosmos. The Angara itself is good, but with all the budget billions invested in it, it flew only twice.

Twice! Astronautical experts explain that foreign customers are not ready to get in touch with a launch vehicle with such a touch to launch their expensive satellites. Within our country, the main client of the services of Roscosmos is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for putting the Gonets satellites into a low orbit. Those often burn out, so they need to be updated regularly. However, the power of the Angara for such launches is excessive, and the lighter Unions can cope with this.

The mess created in Roscosmos itself does not add optimism. Allegedly, to optimize production processes, the Angara was transported from Moscow to distant Omsk. But the effect was the opposite, the enterprise migrating to the periphery began to disrupt the deadlines for the delivery of finished products. Employees of the Omsk branch were even demonstrably deprived of bonuses. Instead of a heavy Angara, the launch of the Federation ship was handed over to the Soyuz-5 rocket, and they also forgot about the manned version of the Angara. Since 2014, all project implementation deadlines have been disrupted.

An expert in the field of astronautics Ivan Moiseev comments on the reasons for what is happening:

The last two years, the level of work of Roscosmos below the plinth. This is a complete lack of professionalism in organizing work.


Echoing him and Alexander Galkin, a columnist on space issues:

In recent years, four general directors of Roscosmos have been replaced. Each brings its own people, who must delve into the situation. There is simply not enough time. Plus - corruption. They steal like they do not steal anywhere. These are the words of the head of the Accounts Chamber, Alexei Kudrin.


So I want to sneak something about “effective top managers”, but not to laugh. The Angara project is being buried right before our eyes, despite the fact that the production of Proton missiles, which are being replaced by the Angara, has been suspended. Apparently, a good rocket interferes with a bad top manager, not otherwise ...
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  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 3 November 2019 12: 43
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    The site has just had an enthusiastic article from 28.10., In an affirmative style it could be learned from it that Rogozin claimed:

    "It is planned that the Perm enterprise will produce up to 50 RD-191 engines per year. This is a colossal volume!" - summed up Rogozin.

    How is it possible, is it impossible to plan the development of the industry for a week? And the authors and commentators are in a hurry, as always, to rejoice, haven't the many years of rich experience of such promises taught anything?
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 3 November 2019 13: 19
      -1
      And the authors and commentators are in a hurry to rejoice as always, haven't the many years of rich experience of such promises taught anything?

      And you, as always, are in a hurry to "bury" everything? You never know what Rogozin planned, maybe he’s stupid and it’s time to retire, or maybe they made adjustments for other reasons. We will not find out all the information. But what do you say if they start producing engines, and even 50 per year? Not everything works out right away, but if in Russia they really tackle something, they will definitely do it. Didn't many years of experience teach you anything?
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 3 November 2019 18: 37
        +1
        I am in no hurry to bury anything, even the most insulting, space has always interested me, however, regardless of nationality. Simply, in principle, I do not understand who and how makes decisions, who is responsible for what. If, in your opinion, Rogozin is "stupid", what is he doing there at all? And what kind of your "if they start", and when all the same: "..take for real, then they will definitely do"? No need to try with the last bit of strength to justify incompetence and, it seems, the collapse of the industry, it all looks too pitiful.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 3 November 2019 19: 58
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          If, in your opinion, Rogozin is "stupid", what is he doing there at all?

          To be honest, I don’t know, it seems he should retire, or maybe he, like Serdyukov, was falling apart, falling apart, and then it seemed to be when everything interesting started with him, but he was engaged in an ungrateful business, collecting all the spits on his face. We have little information to judge such things objectively.

          And what kind of your "if they start", and when all the same: "..take for real, then they will definitely do"?

          And here it is always like this, first they create difficulties, and then they heroically overcome them. And "yours", as I understand it, are those that "Yuzhmash" eat up?

          There is no need to try to justify the incompetence of the last effort and, it seems, the collapse of the industry, it all looks too pathetic.

          I’m not going to defend any incompetence. Is it too borzoi to draw a conclusion about the collapse of the industry? Suspension of rocket launch - is it a collapse? Do not wait. sad
          1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 4 November 2019 09: 07
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            And "yours", as I understand it, are those that "Yuzhmash" eat up? - what is your limited worldview and worldview? It seems that sometimes you write reasonable things, but I look, and everything with you successfully fits into the paradigm: Russia / Ukraine. That, there are no more countries, peoples, problems, phenomena, incl. internal, purely Russian? Here recently a commentator of the opposite sex recommended Solovyov to "switch" from Ukraine to Belarus. Judging by your comment, he has not yet had time to use such a valuable and timely indication, and you continue to "think" in the old way?
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 4 November 2019 10: 10
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              And "yours", as I understand it, are those that "Yuzhmash" eat up? - what is your limited worldview and worldview?

              I will quote -

              And what are your "if they start"

              I just assumed. Wrong? Whose will you be if "ours" are "yours" for you?

              Here recently a commentator of the opposite sex recommended Solovyov to "switch" from Ukraine to Belarus. Judging by your comment, he has not yet had time to use such a valuable and timely indication, and you continue to "think" in the old way?

              If events develop in the same direction, then, unfortunately, Solovyov will eventually switch to Belarus too. Now Ukraine is quite suitable to demonstrate "how bad everything is there and it could be with us". And Solovyov, by the way, has interesting people, Shakhnazarov, for example, Kurginyan happens, tells interesting things. And Soloviev himself ..... so-so. winked
              1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 4 November 2019 11: 14
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                Kurginyan ........?! You still have the newspaper Tomorrow, or the Tsargrad canal recommend ....
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 4 November 2019 11: 30
                  +1
                  Kurginyan ........?! You still have the newspaper Tomorrow, or the Tsargrad canal recommend ....

                  Is there such a newspaper? It's not a recommendation, uncle sometimes bends such turns of speechfellow and a peculiar train of thought. And the information received must be filtered, you should not get hung up on one-sided. Better to comprehend yourself. Sources can be different, there are, of course, exceptions, "REN TV", for example. I tried to see, the brain just boils from an endless stream ... wassat The rain is dull, I just can’t make myself see request they just don’t have enough mold on the walls, and so complete despondency crying
          2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 4 November 2019 09: 38
            +1
            By the way, Serdyukov did a lot of good for the army. In any case, the soldiers at least stopped building general's dachas.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 4 November 2019 10: 12
              +1
              By the way, Serdyukov did a lot of good for the army. In any case, the soldiers at least stopped building general's dachas.

              It could even be. I wrote somewhere somewhere that while he was spat on his back, the foundations of rearmament were laid at the same time. His activities can be evaluated only many years later. Now we simply do not own the information.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 November 2019 13: 19
      +2
      Today we have a positive future: we will do, develop, create, produce ...
      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 3 November 2019 18: 28
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        Maybe this is a good tradition?
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 3 November 2019 20: 44
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        Today we have positive things in the future tense: we will do, develop, create, produce ..

        And you probably won't be any other way. Apparently, this point of view prevails in your environment. What happened in fact - the refusal to manufacture the Angara launch vehicle, the reasons for this are unknown.
        In my opinion, if a journalist wants to understand a problem, in this case the production of rocketry, he is looking for a competent specialist. You select under-experts, the main thing is that the point of view coincides with yours. They talk about total corruption, collapse, and further in the text about "plaster cast".

        An expert in the field of astronautics Ivan Moiseev comments on the reasons for what is happening:
        The last two years, the level of work of Roscosmos below the plinth. This is a complete lack of professionalism in organizing work.

        It's all? belay Deep Scan. wassat You really helped readers understand what is happening. lol However, it is not surprising. Your famous expert .... consultant on astronautics ... What does he tell others? Here, for example, fresh, he talks about the robot "Fedor":

        https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2019/08/26/more-russian-space-news-did-fyodor-the-robot-screw-up-part-ii/

        But this does not interest us very much, it is more important here that he tells about himself:

        Moiseev leads something called the Space Policy Institute. It sounds dumber in English than in Russian. According to their website, ICP was created in 1993 by the Russian Space Agency, the Russian Law Academy of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation and the expert firm Yurek with the support of the Commission on Transport, Communications and Informatics. And Cosmos of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation, as an independent and non-profit research organization ”- like that!

        Just a wonderful Russian expert telling foreigners about space exploration. Space Policy Institute. belay Perhaps in Russian this also sounds silly. This organization has a lousy website -

        http://ispolicy.ru/about/direction/

        There is even his publication, which shows that technical issues are not his specialization. He is not even able to maintain his site in order. And it's not a fact that the information there is reliable. The board of trustees of this office includes Valery Vladimirovich Alaverdov - first deputy. Director General of the Russian Space Agency. Something I do not remember, however, this is not surprising. In 1997 he was released due to his retirement. 22 years ago ..... But it doesn't matter, it looks more solid .. Ivan Mikhailovich himself is listed on the site as "a leading analyst of the expert firm" YurEk "". Sounds solid, but bad luck - the desk hasn't been operating for three years

        https://info.1cont.ru/contragent/ooo-ehkspertnaja-firma-jurehk/

        But Ivan Mikhailovich selflessly tells foreign mugs about his work. smile Assistant Director for Public Relations - Alisa Valentinovna Bulgakova - Tarasenko, perhaps she should have been following the information on the site? But, apparently, she has no time, she is busy with another, she writes letters in defense of like-minded people.

        On August 2, 2019, Yegor Zhukov, our friend and colleague, a student at the HSE Department of Political Sciences, a blogger, and a retired candidate for the Moscow City Duma, was arrested as part of a criminal riot case in Moscow on July 27, 2019. He was charged under part 2 of Article 212 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (participation in mass riots). If convicted, Yegor faces 3 to 8 years in prison.

        https://doxajournal.ru/uni/egorzhukov

        This, of course, is her own business, but it characterizes her as a "wonderful assistant" and gives an idea of ​​the views of this team. In general, these are your experts. sad And based on their opinion, can you write an objective article? request You are not interested in reality; the main thing is that they support the opinion you need. negative
        1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
          Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 4 November 2019 09: 34
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          Do you have direct "obscurantism on the march", are you looking for "enemies" again, are you trying to sew some kind of "policy" for experts? We have already gone through this many times, a well-known approach, but it has never led to anything good. Only further lagging behind, and then unthinkable attempts to catch up (well, how, without labor exploits and heroic achievements?). And that means that the problem is not how the industry works, but how all sorts of "enemies" illuminate it (well, in your opinion, "our" person cannot sign such letters?). Do you think this will work out?
          But you don’t even think that perhaps the Angara is already desperately outdated, 30 years of development, this is too much. Although I understand this is exactly what you think:

          Not everything turns out right away, but if in Russia they really take on something, they will definitely do it.

          But just not now and not in this industry, this principle in the world has long died and remained in your and your like head. Maybe they even realized that, compared to what Musk is doing, this is, literally, the past century? The question is different, all this could not be understood a little earlier?
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 5 November 2019 06: 58
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            Do you have direct "obscurantism on the march", are you looking for "enemies" again, are you trying to sew some kind of "policy" for experts?

            Obscurantism? Do you sew politics? belay I clearly show you that these are not experts, but rogues and charlatans. By definition, nothing can be said about the space industry. They all have the same answer - total corruption, they can't do anything, they've all leaked and stuff like that. If you are only interested in politics, let them blame them on their rallies, and not pretend to be specialists. I left links in the comments, go take a look. If you are lazy, here is a link to the publications of this "expert" especially for you:

            http://ispolicy.ru/publications/?id=3

            Here he is, the fundamental work of his whole life, belay invaluable contribution to the development of astronautics. fellow Are you satisfied with such experts? And after that you still broadcast something about Solovyov and Tsargrad? belay You just blow into everyone’s ears ... and you only thank. Are you unable to rethink the information yourself? request

            We have gone through this many times, a well-known approach, but it has never led to anything good. Only a further lag, and there are unthinkable attempts to catch up (well, how can it be impossible without labor feats and heroic achievements?).

            You tell me about the 37th year. laughing If a person at a meeting does, does it make him a saint and an indisputable authority? Such an approach, for sure, will lead you to victories and prosperity, and labor exploits will not be needed. This is the psychology of a "maidan herd".

            And that means that the problem is not how the industry works, but how all sorts of "enemies" illuminate it (well, in your opinion, "our" person cannot sign such letters?). Do you think this will work out?

            And what did they tell us about the work of the industry? Specific reasons? Yes, just a universal answer for all occasions, "regime mustard." Your person can sign any letters they want (I indicated that this is a private matter), but this does not make a good specialist. I just showed that "your person" has information on the site that is outdated many years ago. And I should take seriously the opinion of these mediocrities, whose only merit is a certain political position?

            But you don’t even think that perhaps the Angara is already desperately outdated, 30 years of development, this is too much. Although I understand this is exactly what you think:

            You will laugh, but it seems, perhaps, this is the whole point. The development of the rocket began many years ago and it was outdated even before it was built. This is how the Su-27 was developed, made, looked at, compared with analogs, assessed the prospects and redone it again. But neither the author nor the "experts" are interested in this, they want to talk about corruption. What, the designers of the SU-27 were also all without talent and corrupt?

            But just not now and not in this industry, this principle in the world has long died and remained in your and your like head. Maybe they even realized that, compared to what Musk is doing, this is, literally, the past century? The question is different, all this could not be understood a little earlier?

            What is Musk doing? Why is he better than Rogozin? He failed the delivery of astronauts to the ISS, they will again fly on the Soyuz. Musk is a dilettante, he has no organization of work and continuous corruption, cut the budget. Everything that he knows how to show mock-ups of a lunar rocket to everyone and throw cars into space.
            PS You will leave the house, do not forget to bow to the icon and image of the Mask. sad
            1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
              Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 5 November 2019 09: 05
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              I'm not going to discuss with you, I'm only interested in the mention of the letter. And you perfectly understand what I mean.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 5 November 2019 10: 00
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                I'm not going to discuss with you, I'm only interested in the mention of the letter. And you perfectly understand what I mean.

                The letter, as such, does not interest me either (I repeat for the third time - a private matter), these people can be given out for experts for only one reason - the same political convictions. That is what I have shown. And do not pretend that you do not understand what I meant.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 November 2019 15: 29
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      It is planned that the Perm enterprise will produce up to 50 RD-191 engines per year. This is a colossal amount! "- concluded Rogozin.

      Good evening! Here a little detail about this enterprise appeared. I thought, suddenly you are wondering .... In general, at the link number 26.

      https://www.russiapost.su/archives/195252
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 November 2019 16: 47
    +2
    Roscosmos "merges" the project of the Angara rocket

    I see many letters, I see experts, I see Kudrin, why I merge - I do not see ...

    Deadlines, no rockets ??? So this is a common thing ...
    And you can still wash a lot of money ...
  3. shadow Offline shadow
    shadow 4 November 2019 03: 49
    +2
    What are you arguing about? Ankara is an old project. At one time, they abandoned the T-95 "Black Eagle" tank for the same reason and created the T-14 Armata. It's the same here. They will take the best that has been done for Ankara, introduce new developments and get something more modern, economical and environmentally friendly. Thought does not stand still. And what was relevant then: in the early nineties, is now obsolete. This is the same as with the Yasen project nuclear submarine. Now this is the project "Ash M". And even more so, no one will report this to the world community.
  4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 November 2019 06: 24
    +1
    Quote: Shadows
    For the same reason, the "Black Eagle" created the T-14 Armata.

    And what do we have with Armata now?
  5. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 November 2019 06: 26
    +3
    Quote: 123
    In general, such experts you have. sad And based on their opinion, can you write an objective article? request Reality does not interest you, the main thing is that they support the opinion you need

    Oh, what are there. Find others and refute these points, that’s all. My opinion is my opinion. Do not agree - argue yours, that’s all.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 4 November 2019 07: 20
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      Oh, what are there. Find others and refute these points, that’s all. My opinion is my opinion. Do not agree - argue yours, that’s all.

      Is this an expert? Space politics .... "cosmopolitan" of some kind. Naturally, you have the right to your opinion, but it is determined by such consultants, and you broadcast this to the readers, that is, you are already forming public opinion. The question is - why are you doing this? You are trying to understand the essence of the problem and find a solution, or simply suggest that everything is rotten here, everything has been drained, polymers are running out, it is time to demolish the power.
  6. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 November 2019 06: 30
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Uh ... so why "Roscosmos" merges "the Angara rocket project" "
    I see many letters, I see experts, I see Kudrin, why I merge - I do not see ...

    The protons were suspended in production, and the Angara can not really put on the conveyor. What could this situation lead to?
  7. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 November 2019 06: 52
    +3
    Quote: 123
    In general, such experts you have. sad And based on their opinion, can you write an objective article?

    Still, after. In no way intending to protect any experts, I will say the following. Sometimes even a direct enemy can speak on business.
    And hanging labels on others, after which announcing everything they said is nonsense, is very simple.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 4 November 2019 09: 34
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      In no way intending to protect any experts

      And do not, not from anyone, they are like the elusive Joe. The fact is that, referring to the "authoritative" opinion of rogues, you involuntarily question what you have written and show disrespect for the readers. It turns out - there are no other experts for you, eat what they give? yes

      Sometimes even a direct enemy can speak on business.

      Are you an enemy? smile

      It’s very simple to hang up labels on others, and then declare everything they said nonsense.

      Shortcuts? belay I showed you that this "expert" in fact is not and is simply lying to people. And after that I have to believe him?

      The last two years, the level of work of Roscosmos below the plinth. This is a complete lack of professionalism in organizing work.

      Is this not nonsense? Does it draw on a professional analysis of the activities of Roscosmos? Maybe someone will defend a dissertation on this fundamental scientific work?
      PS I've just started reading your article about the X-37B spaceplane, at first glance, there are no links to the "respected expert". Is his "authoritative" about running out polymers not required here?
  8. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 4 November 2019 09: 11
    -1
    - Personally, I'm here ... here ... here ... here on the site initially by itself ... And personally I'm here "for no one" and "with no one" ...
    - As for the "Angara" and the fact that so treacherously and unexpectedly they "threw a whole Polet" on orders and contracts ... GKNPTs im. MV Khrunicheva in Omsk will very soon result in, to put it mildly ... - huge troubles for Russia itself ...
    - This is another wrecking and betrayal of Russia's interests at the state level ...
    - This has already happened with the "Black Eagle" tank, which could have been in service with the Russian Army for 15 years ... but Russia's enemies cleverly put the whole thing away ... and buried it ...
    - It is easy to find out about the tank "Black Eagle" and see it with your own eyes (how this tank runs, jumps, shoots, etc.), having found material about it even in Yandex, even Google, etc ... - During this demonstrations, all foreign observers were simply stunned ... from what they saw ...

    The Russian project of a promising main battle tank, developed in the 1990s by the Omsk Design Bureau of Transport Engineering. The prototype was first demonstrated in 1997 and was a modified chassis of the T-80U tank with a new design turret installed on it. Subsequently, a prototype was created with a tower mounted on a seven-roller chassis. Serially not produced.

    - But ... but ... but ..., then our "Omsk plant of transport engineering" (tank plant) was simply killed and turned into nothing ... and at the "Uralvagonzavod" in Yekaterinburg began a long and endless fuss with " products "and" objects 95 ".... - And then the expensive" Armata "appeared ... - In short ... -" things are still there "...
    - And today our Russian Army is glad even and quite already "seen the types of tanks"
    ... these are modernized tanks "T-72" and "T-80U" (T-80 is also a cool "Omsk tank") ...
    - Like this...
    - And now "next in line" and "Angara" ... -so the enemies of Russia are acting quite successfully ...
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 4 November 2019 09: 59
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      -As for the "Angara" and the fact that so treacherously and unexpectedly they threw the whole Polet Polet on orders and contracts

      To be honest, I don’t think they were just "thrown", perhaps, the characteristics of the rocket, price, quality did not suit. Perhaps the design itself requires improvement, while it was being done - it had time to become outdated and lags behind in terms of parameters from the latest foreign ones. Or maybe the launch price is prohibitive, it has not yet been mass-produced. In general, I would like to hear the opinion of a person who understands these issues at a professional level. Most interesting. smile

      - But ... but ... but ..., then our "Omsk Transport Machine Building Plant" (tank plant) was simply killed and turned into nothing ...

      The plant, of course, is a pity, but 2 plants are 2 different tanks. For Russia, this is an impermissible luxury; it was in the USSR that they could afford to adopt three different tanks at once. Which seems like a very controversial decision.

      in Yekaterinburg began a long and endless fuss with "products" and "objects 95"

      At that time, the tank simply had no chance of mass production, there was simply no money for it. As it is now in Ukraine, they are trying to make some prototypes and that's it. The fate of Uralvagonzavod itself was also in question. The director of the plant, Vladimir Potkin, literally saved the plant by signing a contract with India. Ultimately, it cost him his life, died in 1999. The tank was named "Vladimir" after him. In such conditions, the Omsk plant simply had no chance.
      As for the "Armata", of course, I would like to see its mass production, but ... not a fact. While they say that it is expensive and there is no urgent need for it. I don't think this is sabotage.
  9. Sergey Astashkin (Sergey Astashkin) 4 November 2019 10: 32
    +1
    Stupid tales about effective managers .. How can a semi-literate lead ?! High-tech industries require an appropriately educated leader .. This is not for you to sell cars .. Capitalism destroys Russia. The whole world is turning into a cesspool.
    1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 4 November 2019 11: 18
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      Well, how does capitalism work wonderfully in other countries? And managers have enough education, and there are results. And in Russia, by the way, capitalism?
  10. Alexander Bushkovsky (Alexander) 4 November 2019 18: 50
    +2
    And what to expect when in the management of ministries and state corporations are either cooks or janitors!
  11. DPN Offline DPN
    DPN (DPN) 4 November 2019 21: 55
    +1
    These are the benefits that the Khrunichev collective could be lured to SIBERIA, when almost the entire former USSR came to Moscow.